DFI LP UT ICFX3200-T2R/G memory Issues

Board arrived this afternoon & appears to have a Memory Initialisation Problem.

Memory tried is 2 x 512Mb Geil PC2 6400 & 2 x 1024Mb Geil PC2 4300. Whilst the latter is only 533Mhz, it still shows the same error code on the display of "C1" which I cant find out anything concrete about. DFI forums is dead at the time of Posting. :rolleyes:
I did read somewhere that there should be a RED LED-resistor lit next to the 24Pin PSU Connection. Mine lights a yellow/light orange colour as soon as the Bios Starts screaming 1 long continuous Beep for about 5 or 6 seconds before pausing & starting again. With no Ram in the board at all, there is just one continuous Beep without a pause until you turn the power off.

The PSU is a very healthy PC P&C 1KW Quad SLI. I have tried all the tricks in the book. Battery out resets whilst I drink Gallons of coffee before trying again: Tried single sticks in all Slot combinations - just always the same result. I don`t have another brand of Ram to try but both kits work perfectly in a Pentium D based Shuttle PC, so the RAM definately isn`t faulty.

After waiting 6 months for this board, I can`t believe the Irony of my sample trying to keep itself a piece of "Vapoware". :(

Does anyone have any similar issues or know of any issues like this?
I just don`t believe my luck! :rolleyes:

http://csd.dficlub.org/pgpbb2/index.php

let them know > http://csd.dficlub.org/pgpbb2/index.php

official dfi support forum...

What BIOS does the DFI use? Award, etc.

Over there now lads...thaks a lot! :)

did you try to boot with only one dimm? Perhaps the boardis defaulting to to low a voltage.

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Originally Posted by The Nemesis

did you try to boot with only one dimm? Perhaps the boardis defaulting to to low a voltage.

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I`ve tried all sorts of Ram configurations to get the Board to post & it`s no-go! That`s with 15 minute breaks on Reset Cmos with the battery in & out, tried all Ram slots with pairs of & single Dimms. Believe me, If I could try Half a Dimm, it`d be done already.

With all respect, this isnt TOP-LINE Ram & if the Bios is undervolting on it`s Debut, some questions need to be asked why?

To be quite frank, it either has to be the Geil Ram aint compatible as both 1GB & 2GB kits work in a Shuttle PC with a Skt775 D type Intel Chip, or this board is fugged. I can not understand any board being released that would deliberately undervolt the ram at default settings. That would be quite unforgiveable for & with Stock Ram components.

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Originally Posted by Kin Hell

I`ve tried all sorts of Ram configurations to get the Board to post & it`s no-go! That`s with 15 minute breaks on Reset Cmos with the battery in & out, tried all Ram slots with pairs of & single Dimms. Believe me, If I could try Half a Dimm, it`d be done already.

With all respect, this isnt TOP-LINE Ram & if the Bios is undervolting on it`s Debut, some questions need to be asked why?

To be quite frank, it either has to be the Geil Ram aint compatible as both 1GB & 2GB kits work in a Shuttle PC with a Skt775 D type Intel Chip, or this board is fugged. I can not understand any board being released that would deliberately undervolt the ram at default settings. That would be quite unforgiveable for & with Stock Ram components.

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Is your 8-pin ATX power connector seated all the way? I can get the single long beep with your same memory or others by slightly raising the 8-pin ATX power connector. Also ensure the clear CMOS jumper is on the first two pins from left to right if you are looking at the board from the power/reset button side. Before you power up, removed the power cable from the power supply, then press and hold the power and reset buttons at the same time for five seconds.

The only time I have gotten C1 error my ram was DOA.

My board came in this afternoon and I booted right up w/ 2 x 1gb Corsair D9 modules luckily. Sorry to hear about your luck mate. I suppose you've tried the single module in the last bank trick right?

Dude, there's not red LED near the 24-pin. There should be a orange LED near the 24-pin which indicates the memory is getting powered up.
Try doing the following:
Press down RESET switch and hold
Press down POWER switch and hold
Release RESET switch - system will power up
Release POWER switch - done

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Originally Posted by bingo13

Is your 8-pin ATX power connector seated all the way? I can get the single long beep with your same memory or others by slightly raising the 8-pin ATX power connector. Also ensure the clear CMOS jumper is on the first two pins from left to right if you are looking at the board from the power/reset button side. Before you power up, removed the power cable from the power supply, then press and hold the power and reset buttons at the same time for five seconds.

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Hi Bingo,

Everything you have mentioned is fine & I have worked the 8-pin ATX connector in & out a few times but no change. I also tried the 5 Second Dual button press several times to no avail. I have even tried a different CMOS jumper as the supplied one was feeling a little slack & still no change.

Thanks for your feedback tho, really appreciated.

Can you confirm if it`s a Yellow/orange LED-Resistor or a Red LED-Resistor that signals the Ram is getting enough Power by the ATX 24-Pin connector? Someone is saying it should be RED over here at DFI:

http://csd.dficlub.org/pgpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=277

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Originally Posted by FragTek

My board came in this afternoon and I booted right up w/ 2 x 1gb Corsair D9 modules luckily. Sorry to hear about your luck mate. I suppose you've tried the single module in the last bank trick right?

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Yeah FragTek, but thanks for your suggestion :)

I bet this is an spd issue...you should talk to Geil and see if they have tested with this board.

i had NO issues with OCZ using Micron, Elpida, PSC and Promos IC's on BP PCB so I have a feeling you just need to talk to your ram vendor

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Originally Posted by Tony

I bet this is an spd issue...you should talk to Geil and see if they have tested with this board.

i had NO issues with OCZ using Micron, Elpida, PSC and Promos IC's on BP PCB so I have a feeling you just need to talk to your ram vendor

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Hi Tony,

I`d agree that another type of Ram would be the only sure way to put this to rest, but Bingo13 said a couple of posts up he used the same RAM without issue. :confused:

The manual says there should be a Red LED lit at the ATX 24-pin connector and the Standby LED should be red. BOTH mine are Yellow which could suggest the RAM and/or the PCI slots are NOT getting power. Problem is, the manual doesn`t tell you what Yellow LED`s actually mean. The stuff I read is in Section2 Page 67 of the Pink Maunal! As well as a Pink Manual, it`s looking like I got a Gay Board!

reset cmos ? yank battery ?

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Originally Posted by Lestat

reset cmos ? yank battery ?

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Repeatedly......On both counts with various Combinations of! ;)

I think it`s gunno be RMA time for me but for you, .....hows that collective "Ass Smoke" Smouldering for you thesedays??

I cried with Laughter at your post & here`s mine busting it`s Ass to remain a Piece of Vapoware!! - ROFL :D

Incidently, all this collective "moo-har" is a bit like M$ controlling EVERYTHING Digital in the Home! Looks like B.G. & his cronies are out to Assimilate Everything! :rolleyes: M$= The Borg! :D

yellow orange is the normal ram light colour....

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Originally Posted by flytek

yellow orange is the normal ram light colour....

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Flytek, what colour is your Standby LED by the Comm Port on Btm edge of board please?

Does it change colour after the Post beep from powering on?

Thanks for your reply. :)

the standby led on the bottom of the mobo is the same yellow orange as the 24pin led...
as soon as power is applied to the mobo it come on and remains that way while there is pwr to the mobo.
the 24pin one only comes on when the mobo is turned on with its pwr switch.

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Originally Posted by Tony

I bet this is an spd issue...you should talk to Geil and see if they have tested with this board.

i had NO issues with OCZ using Micron, Elpida, PSC and Promos IC's on BP PCB so I have a feeling you just need to talk to your ram vendor

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I bet you nailed it, tbh the bios is nice and loose for first timers..

One evening on a x6800 retail and she's chugging away at 4.3ghz orthos blend, could not have asked for more. I don't go for Banzai fsb's though as Rgone would put it, just a nice 310fsb 14x multi, at around 1.61vcore on phase.

There's just so much to play with, I have only used 2t yet loose sceondaries admittedley for the time being, next up 1T.

I'd like to congratulate the dfi testing team on what I'd call a job very well done, remarkable in fact, no hardware or software issues at all so far. Got some gaming left to do, but she seems to work fine with my HDA Xplosion soundacrd too, none of those non recognised pci slot devices I've had on other boards in the past...

regards
Raja

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Originally Posted by flytek

the standby led on the bottom of the mobo is the same yellow orange as the 24pin led...
as soon as power is applied to the mobo it come on and remains that way while there is pwr to the mobo.
the 24pin one only comes on when the mobo is turned on with its pwr switch.

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Much appreciated FlyTek. Thanks for confirming this. :)

*snip - soz, Double Post???*

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Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Hi Tony,

I`d agree that another type of Ram would be the only sure way to put this to rest, but Bingo13 said a couple of posts up he used the same RAM without issue. :confused:

The manual says there should be a Red LED lit at the ATX 24-pin connector and the Standby LED should be red. BOTH mine are Yellow which could suggest the RAM and/or the PCI slots are NOT getting power. Problem is, the manual doesn`t tell you what Yellow LED`s actually mean. The stuff I read is in Section2 Page 67 of the Pink Maunal! As well as a Pink Manual, it`s looking like I got a Gay Board!

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PM me your RAM part numbers. I cycled through 7 different sets of Geil memory this morning without an issue but that does not mean there could not be an issue with the SPD. Both LED's are yellow during normal operation. Have you tried a different power supply? I can recreate your single beep in three different ways, the 8-pin connector being loose, not having the cpu/fan combination seated properly, and memory (tried some older DDR2-533) that would not boot.

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Originally Posted by bingo13

PM me your RAM part numbers. I cycled through 7 different sets of Geil memory this morning without an issue but that does not mean there could not be an issue with the SPD. Both LED's are yellow during normal operation. Have you tried a different power supply? I can recreate your single beep in three different ways, the 8-pin connector being loose, not having the cpu/fan combination seated properly, and memory (tried some older DDR2-533) that would not boot.

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Yeah Bingo13, check your PM's. I just emailed Geil USA the same info. I do have a 14 day RMA available from suppliers. This Ram is about 4 months old from purchase, maybe 5 tops. Tbh, I didn`t ever expect the 2GB 533 (PC2 4300) kit to work, but thought it was worth a shot. No suprises getting the same problem!

I dont have any other Compatible PSU`s kicking around, but then who does after forking out £350 for a PC P&C 1KW Quad SLI Mutha! :D
The only other I have is an Antec 550W & whilst I can mimic a 24-pin connector, I can`t get around the 8-pin connector requirement.

PC P&C works fine on a DFI nF4 SLI DR board.

Looking at one of the corners of the Digital Power Heatsink, there appears to be a smudge of what looks like an Artic Silver compound smudged over one of the surface mount resistors. Could this cause a fault on the PWM Circuit??

Probably just a "clutch & straws" self diagnostic effort on my part but we all know Artic Silver accross resistors is not a good thing. I just don`t know if DFI have used a silver based heat compound that would conduct electrically. Maybe a small amount of electrical bleed would topple the boards ability to supply enough juice to the ram??

The compound used visually appears to be similar to arctic silver, but as far as I can tell is not - it is non conductive. It's all over my nbridge, and on the smt resistors too, eveything is still ok and works fine..

regards
Raja

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Originally Posted by raju

The compound used visually appears to be similar to arctic silver, but as far as I can tell is not - it is non conductive. It's all over my nbridge, and on the smt resistors too, eveything is still ok and works fine..

regards
Raja

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I was kinda feeling this way tbh. Thanks for the reassurance!

If the TIM on PWM and NB was conductive, it would have fried the mobo... which didn't happen. I think the TIM is still better than thermal pad or "bubble gum" that you would usually find on most mobos.

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Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy

If the TIM on PWM and NB was conductive, it would have fried the mobo... which didn't happen. I think the TIM is still better than thermal pad or "bubble gum" that you would usually find on most mobos.

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I spect the softer compound has higher thermal properties.

Anyhow, I just wanted to say thanks to all the feedback from everyone. It really, really is appreciated. :clap:

I tried 3 local PC shops earlier today (Saturday) & no one had ANY DDR2 ram to test my board & don`t really want to use an RMA to be told it`s the RAM used & not the board. I`d sooner loose a nacker, than pay 10 quid to look a Prat! :D

Depending on Bingo13`s info from his findings on the Ram info I PM`d him, will suade my next move! If the ram just isn`t compatible, I`ll order some OCZ 1150 which will slot in with the water cooling project laid out for this system. I am slightly concerned at the higher performance series of ram requiring 2.3 - 2.5v & the board is defaulting at 1.88v. The trick I have read about is to use a cheap-Er ram stick to Post, up the the voltage & then switch the Ram. I could be £350 quid lighter & in the same boat!
Anyways, I can wait a bit more...! :cool:

Just a quick one at Tony:
Can you confirm the OCZ 1150 H20 Ram will allow this board to Post with a Defualt Set Bios voltage of 1.88v, presuming there isn`t an actual fault with the board?
Thanks m8y. Be well :)

Thanks again folks! :toast:

according to coolaler's cpu-z validation/pics he's use'n g-skill F2-8000PHU2-2GBZX ddr2 1000's and no mention of any issues booting in his thread.

Chock this up to my intel ignorance but wouldnt it boot up at 266/533? i should sure as hell hope that ddr 1000+ could boot at 533@1.88vdimm:confused:

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Originally Posted by raju

The compound used visually appears to be similar to arctic silver, but as far as I can tell is not - it is non conductive. It's all over my nbridge, and on the smt resistors too, eveything is still ok and works fine..

regards
Raja

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Arctic silver isnt cunductive either.

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Originally Posted by Revv23

Arctic silver isnt cunductive either.

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You`re quite right Revv23! However.........

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Originally Posted by Artic Sliver

Not Electrically Conductive:
Arctic Silver 5 was formulated to conduct heat, not electricity.
(While much safer than electrically conductive silver and copper greases, Arctic Silver 5 should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths.

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from here:

AS 5

I wouldn`t want it smeared or smudged anywhere near anything electrical when applying it.

I`m really clutching at staws here. It`s now Monday afternoon & I still don`t know anything about my modules being incompatible. I know I`m just going to get more impatient from here on in! Perhaps I should just RMA it`s ass and suffer the consequences!

Since Bingo13 replied via PM, it would appear I need to buy some New ram.

Geil haven't responded in 3 days. - Lame!

Tony wrapped this thread up with regard to SPD settings. *Kin Tips hat! :)

Just gotta pay the Supplier a test fee (should the board be okay) & buy some more RAM. - Lame!

Despite seeing 2 DDR2 systems pass through my hands, I wasn't aware ever of SPD issues on the DDR2 platform. Thanks to Everyone for helping me get to the bottom of this, even if my own impatience cost me a test fee.
Thanks guys! :)

bummer. Well you shouldnt be worried about the high mhz dimms. my pc2 1000's booted up no problems.

This mornings Email rummage revealed I should have my New Board tommorow! The board I recieved was Faulty! - Dammit!
So glad I didn't buy more Ram just for the Crack! I am aware this doesn't mean i'm outta the "trees yet", but for now & in conclusion to this thread, my board was Fux0rd! :rolleyes:
Just for the record, I still havn't heard back from Geil about my queries RE their RAM. Quite unacceptable tbh! :stick:

This is the final update & conclusion, if any ONE conclusion can be got to, because I`m still not so sure about the board! I`m writing this in a post-card wrapped style to save boredom, so here goes:
Still no word from Geil.
New board took both sticks of Geil PC2 6400 on the bench without touching CMOS reset.
Whipped both 512 sticks of Geil out & threw in 2 1GB sticks of Geil PC4300. No Post. Pulled out 2 x 1gb sticks, put back in 2 X 512 - no post?
Tried 1 x 512mb stick in Slot 3 - No Post.
Tried other stick of 512 in slot 3, wheee POST again!?
Go for 2nd 512mb in slot 1 - no post.
Reset CMOS.
No Post with either 512Mb DIMM in Slot 3, 1, 2 or 4?
Take slot 3 512 out & throw BOTH 1GB PC2 4300
put in 2 x 1Gb Sticks - POST!?!?!? - Arrrrgh!

So yeah, my board is running but I`m so sh`t scared to reset CMOS in case the Ram don`t initialise & i`m not entirely sure what did what to get a Post dammit. :confused:
Anyway, I kinda got brave in the last 24 hours & upped the fsb over a period of stages to a very lame 366FSB. That puts this 2.4ES DUO @ nearly 3.3Ghz on a Pentium D Intel Cooler & air over the Northbridge. Interestingly, I haven't had to increase any Voltage anywhere other than putting the DDR @ 2.0v back at 300 fsb. (Just in case)
The 7950GX2 with 7300Mb/Sec bandwidth on the ram at 366Mhz 1:1 4-4-4-16 yeilds 50600 3DMark01 points - Not too shabby at all consideing the Ram is so poor! 1T speeds appear no different to 2T & yet 3T is definately slower.
Quite an impressive board so far in many respects but I had a refusal with Maxtor hard drives on the Southbridge which sucks.

I`m sure with the right ram & user, this board could be a bit of a flyer.

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Originally Posted by bingo13

PM me your RAM part numbers. I cycled through 7 different sets of Geil memory this morning without an issue but that does not mean there could not be an issue with the SPD. Both LED's are yellow during normal operation. Have you tried a different power supply? I can recreate your single beep in three different ways, the 8-pin connector being loose, not having the cpu/fan combination seated properly, and memory (tried some older DDR2-533) that would not boot.

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Would you happen to have any Gskill 2GBPK PC6400 / 4-4-4 to test on this board?
I have this mobo for the last 6 hours and still haven't seen a POST on it.
Hardware tested:

Ram
2x 1Gb Gskill 2GBPK DDR2-800
1x 512 Single sided Samsung DDR2-533
1x 512 Double sided Samsung DDR2-533

PSUs
Seasonic S12 600W - tried first the 8-pin and then the 4-pin.
OCZ Gamerxtreme 600W - Tried the 8-pin, then 1x 4-pin and then 2x 4-pin.

VGAs
BFG8800GTS & X600Pro (PCIe)

CPUs - plenty... From Celeron 2.933 to E6700 and X6800.


Always get the same C1 msg in the Port80 monitor.
I've already tried the following, ofcourse with no results...

- Clear CMOS
- 1 stick at the time, all stick tried on all slots.
- Reseated the 24 & 8-pin connectors
- Reseated the CPU h/s-fan
- Replaced the USB k/b for a PS2
- Removed/disconnected everything, bar the PSU, RAM, CPU, Fan & VGA.
- Played around with several jumpers (wake on USB, PS2, etc.)
- Did the reset/power on tricks


Nothing worked, board gives C1 and a long beep, regardless of whether I have RAM on it or not.
All RAM sticks are healthy, the Samsung ones came from my HTPC (and eventually returned and keep working fine) and the Gskill ones are being used atm on the system that I am using to write this post (AW9D)

Btw, I had a DS3 at some early stage, had the default vDimm issue (bought the board very early) and I used the 2 512 Samsung DIMMs for a period; worked just fine...


Any ideas before I RMA this board?

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Originally Posted by Chosen.

Would you happen to have any Gskill 2GBPK PC6400 / 4-4-4 to test on this board?
I have this mobo for the last 6 hours and still haven't seen a POST on it.
Hardware tested:

Ram
2x 1Gb Gskill 2GBPK DDR2-800

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1st boot ever with the Board was with PC6400 2x1GB 2GBHK, no issues at all.

Tested so far:

GSkill PC6400 2GBHZ D9GMH
GSkill PC6400 2GBJS D9GMH
GSkill PC6400 2GBGA D9GKX
GSkill PC6400 2GBHK ????? (no D9s)

All worked as planed in combo with an Ennermax Galaxy 1kw PSU - or - an Antec Neo 550 - or my good old OCZ 600W PSU.

hey anyone..

I can't run my corsair 8000UL on its spd timing.. I can't pass 400 fsb.. iether async or sync mod..

I think this board needs updated for some of the rams used..

I can only run my module ddr2 800 3 3 3 6 1T I cant pass the 400mhz mark..

my module is mark @ DDR2 1000 5 4 4 9 ..I can never reach this speed and timing..

please DFI fix this problems on your next update..

here is my corsair using my old DFI 975x Infinity

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7468/8000ulrm3.jpg

here it is now on the DFI RD600..

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1818/myoc2id4.jpg

mm.. hope they can fix this.. :)

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Originally Posted by erwinz

hey anyone..
I can't run my corsair 8000UL on its spd timing.. I can't pass 400 fsb.. iether async or sync mod..
I think this board needs updated for some of the rams used..
I can only run my module ddr2 800 3 3 3 6 1T I cant pass the 400mhz mark..

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Maybe 1T is just too tight ? As Corsair does not test them 1T, they simply use 2T. Any results when you use 2T ?

I have no problem with any memories at 1T on this board. When you get C1 status, wait ....wait ....wait ..., MoBo will boot...

PS. I am blind but where is in BIOS CPU multiplier option? ?

I'll post my 2T results..

but I cant pass ddr2 800..

Nemesis have the same problem..

Is this an issue of the default Vdimm that the DFI mobo is trying to boot the dimms with?

Is it worth changing the SPDs of my RAM to SSTL 2.5V (from default 1.8V)? That is ofcourse *if* this would be the solution to the C1 problem.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2369/spden1.jpg


What else could it be? Any other timing that looks suspiciously tight for this board?
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9448/spd2up8.jpg


Tonight I will be testing a kit of the lower performance Gskil 2GBNR memory.

48 hours left to RMA...

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48 hours left to RMA...

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How`d the RMA turn out for ya?