Check out the Swiftech waterblock challange.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=128243
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Check out the Swiftech waterblock challange.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=128243
OPP
sweet, I hope my DIY block beats it:)
I Wonder is this block has better performance then the Storm and by how much %.
Crap! They are releasing a new block already? Pfft. Nothing can beat the Storm.
Nonbeliever!Quote:
Originally Posted by NGPlease
Probably an Apogee with a thinner base:rolleyes:
Someone with a G5 needs to send it in to whoop that sucker :)
hahahaha. I'm just stubborn :D I bought my first storm a few days ago and I have yet to see the light.
Someone should sand down their storm g5, so the base is super thin, then mod it so its even more restrictive, like drill smaller holes into the little cups to create more surface area.
LOL. I doubt anybody who buys a G5 would EVER do that to it.
Someone with too much money would. It would increase performance, you know.
It's already thin as hell.. in the storm the impingement cups have only a very, very thin layer of copper/silver between them and the base. Thats why it's so effective on bare dies (aside from the concentrated cooling area)
And hell, if i owned a G5 i probably would never use it, but instead build a shrine for it and pray to it every day :D
Most watercooling gurus can already take a good guess at the design techniques this block will likely employ. The design will be focused around quad core/large die cooling performance, much like the Apogee, but most likely in a higher quality construction and without a doubt in a more efficient design. Think of the possibility of lots of micro channels, or micro pins. Could even be an evolution of the MCW5000/Apogee by basically using it's same design, but scaling it up by shrinking each tiny diamond machined into the base by 100-200% and multiplying them.
The Storm series of blocks won't be able to challenge this design on the larger die's, such as quad cores, but they will still reign supreme on the single core and even 65nm dual cores.
That's my prediction... ;)
I agree, i believe it will be some kind of pin matrix design with a very thin base, probably with some kind of impingement nozzle. I'm guessing it will be less restrictive than the storm though.
I honestly think that IF it beats the storm, it will only beat it by 1C* or less, because last time swiftech came up with their newest "extreme performance waterblock" (apogee) that supposedly beat the storm, it didn't.
I don't want to start another Storm v. Apogee flame war, so I'm just going to state that this post is based off of my opinion.
If you think about it, the smaller the channels or pins or cups get, the more effective, because its more surface area=more concentrated efficiency.
And add the effects on temperature of turbulence from an impingement nozzle, and you have a good performance block
I just realized we're basically describing the AquaXtreme MP-05 series with finer, smaller, denser pins..
edit:typo..
sweet i just built in oct and when this comes out if i get it i will have gone through a whole set of parts
Well the Apogee does outperform the Storm on large die's, such as Kentsfield, and you'll soon see accurate proof of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobMaximus
I don't think it will use impingement, as it adds to restriction and I don't think Swiftech will go that route. It will rely on a solid, rather tried and true as a matter a fact, design for the base that will perform excellently on large dies.
LOL....Me to ....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BobMaximus
My block is ready to take the win, ALU high flow design.
We can also test TIM from various companies as well, test the PCM vs Zalman super grease vs ceramics.
I don't think Alu will do it, especially with the flow you'll have Charles. But good luck. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
My guess is that the test setup will probably be using a MCP655 because they are on 1/2" tubing and will most likely only be using equipment that is sold by SwiftTech. I would also like to see if that block still reign suppreme to all other blocks if you put a Core 2 Duo under it, will the storm be the performance leader if you do that or their new block?
Should he have made it out of stainless steel instead? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Silver/Coppy maybe? :rolleyes: Aluminum needs that much more water passing over it to match copper because copper can absorb more heat than alu can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
We already know that the Storm design is not best equipped for the QX6700 with IHS. Look at the contest rules. It specifically mentions QX6700 and with IHS. Forget the Storm, the G5 or anything Storm related.
This contest is rigged so that any Storm block is placed at an immediate disadvantage. I say sand down an Apogee-design pure silver block. Hate to point this out, but the stock Apogee already beats out the stock Storm Rev 2 when it comes to the QX6700.
I personally own six Storm blocks, but my flagship machine uses an Apogee. Wonder why.
Cause it is quad-core? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I'm curious to see what this is, but I'm betting it's an apogee clone with better machining. It will most likely beat the storm because it will have larger cooling surface, but to call it a new champion, I believe, is wrong. Like another said, it would have to beat the storm on single and dual core applications to take that title..at least in my opinion it does.
And which block will be the best when 45nm comes out, and the die is even smaller?
This reminds me of that NorthWizard thread a couple weeks ago...
He just said on xoxide that he doesn't have a block to enter. Oh well...Quote:
Originally Posted by BobMaximus
he doesn't want to embarass Swiftech
;)
dang.. if I wasnt 300km from home and renovating a house right now i'd toss together a block and mail it to someone for testing :D
Muahaha corrode Swiftech's testing rig!Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
J/K I know that this is impossible in the short time that you're block will be attatched to the rig.
On a seperate note, I knew that this block would follow the MCW6002/Apogee school of thought: consistency and huge surface area because they will be testing on a quad-core. This might give them a significant advantage over the Storm. Where is Freecableguy when we need him to verify this? Also, they probably would've used a super-high-flow system to test this if it were a restrictive design.
Someone should take a 6002 down with them.
Results are ready and posted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Peanut
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...88#post1922588
-FCG
the Apogee may outperform the Storm on a Kentsfield, but chances are the crown will be regained with the next core where the 4 cores are all on a single die in the center rather than dual die where neither are in the dead center of the chip. Kentsfield is a transition to get quad core out as fast as possible just like the first dual core Intel's were. I'll hold on to my Storm...
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Originally Posted by Budwise
I don't doubt that. I agree that things will change quickly.
However, right now, the Apogee beats the Storm on the Kentsfield. Right now, its the superior block for the current quad core with IHS. That is why I chose Apogee over my Storm Rev 2 and Storm Rev 1 for my flagship rig. I don't know why its so darn tough for some people to accept that. It is what it is.
Edit: OK.. I shouldn't open my big mouth so much because I haven't tested a G5, and that's only because I cannot find one at a decent price to buy (some guy wanted $500 and I told him to put it where the moon doesn't shine).
Look at the contest rules. It is highly prejudiced against Storm blocks, and it is highly improbable or downright impossible for a Storm to win.
Wow, a lot of talk about the Storm. I really hope somebody brings one.
After the challenge with testing on a Quad Core is all over, just for kicks, we'll throw in a 6800 Core2 Duo chip and run the Storm against the new Swiftech block. That is if somebody even brings a Storm:D
OPP
Wow OPPainter,
You guys are sure confident about your new block. Will it be commercially available (as in "in stock and ready to ship") right away after the contest?
And how come everyone else gets these cool jobs and I'm stuck behind some stupid office desk lol :)
It won't be on the shelves until the 15th. The 15th is our launch date, we will have plenty reviews going up that day around the web.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
OPP
swiftech can i review it..... ummm please
any pics?
Any info on pricing?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Someone with a direct die cooling block should show up. Not many blocks would beat that design.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4...ectihs3oy2.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ght=direct+die
Seconded :fact: :with:Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonOrta
Someone should make a storm with 8(!!) barbs (actually like 4 storms made into one, for each core one) to pwn that Swiftech one ;)
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Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
OPP, Thanks.
I will surely buy one.
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Originally Posted by IanY
Glad your so convinced, Swiftech depends on you. :rolleyes:
Company doesn't depend me, but they put out quality products that offer good value and they have a steady stream of business from me.
Direct die on top of a heat spreader = old style block design that's been rejected a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ss256
I was only ragging on you for being determined to buy a performance product that you haven't even seen the performance of yet haha. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
The new and improved Swiftech 7002 for LGA775!!! :rolleyes:, I can see it now.
"Double the pin density of the old Swiftech 6002!" "Approved for Intel Core 2 Quad"
etc etc.
The cost of a water block that does not perform to expectations is the least of my problems :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
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Originally Posted by ss256
What a mess that would be...
Someone needs to bring this D-TEK FuZion block down with them. There is a thread about it stating it beats the Apogee with much lower flow.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=128458
There it is. Looks amazing!
http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?...erblock_lineup
There's swiftech's new blocks, the Apogee GT & Apogee GTX.
No internal pictures though.
Yes I'd really like to see the internals of the new apogee GT(X). Might be kicking my self for ordering the fuzion...
Don't expect too much in the internal design, you'll be disappointed ;)
I have the same feeling...Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco
I said that because I know what's inside ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
Could u care fill us in?Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco
Not until 01/15 for my part, sorry...
Waiting... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco
I bet its apogee with more pins...maybe with a slightly redesigned pattern.
i hope its like...
mcw5000 -> Apogee
mcw6000 -> Apogee GT
I don't know what you are looking at, but I don't even see external pics.....:stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
Maybe but i kinda doubt it. They probably just used finer saws to make more diamond pins, the apogee is cheap to make and im sure that they want to continue down that road.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa