QX6700 + P5B, needs better cooling.

Got back into building systems after a few years and I have been having a lot of fun this last week with new QX6700 on my P5B Deluxe.
These are my current novice best benches but I cannot remain Orthos stable because at full load I run too hot= over 75-80c and shutdown.

I will upgrading PSU and building a cooling system but I am wondering if going for the water solution is worth it or just wait until I can afford phase change because it seems these Kentsfields run very hot on my P5B.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4...400x9ofny3.jpg

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Running Orthos on Kentsfield is very tough. 3.4-3.5GHz is the typical limit with air cooling. Some people can run Orthos as high as 3.6GHz. One person did 3.8GHz, but I have trouble believing his results.

For folding, I keep my Q6400 at 3.2GHz with VCore at 1.38-1.4v. Temps in a warm room under full load are 48-50C which is acceptable to me.

I'm sure watercooling would help a little. I believe eva2000 is using watercooling with his quad core. Maybe he could chime in at some point.

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Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Running Orthos on Kentsfield is very tough. 3.4-3.5GHz is the typical limit with air cooling. Some people can run Orthos as high as 3.6GHz. One person did 3.8GHz, but I have trouble believing his results.

For folding, I keep my Q6400 at 3.2GHz with VCore at 1.38-1.4v. Temps in a warm room under full load are 48-50C which is acceptable to me.

I'm sure watercooling would help a little. I believe eva2000 is using watercooling with his quad core. Maybe he could chime in at some point.

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Q6400 ES? :(

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Originally Posted by Omastar

Q6400 ES? :(

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Yes :)

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Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Running Orthos on Kentsfield is very tough. 3.4-3.5GHz is the typical limit with air cooling. Some people can run Orthos as high as 3.6GHz. One person did 3.8GHz, but I have trouble believing his results.

For folding, I keep my Q6400 at 3.2GHz with VCore at 1.38-1.4v. Temps in a warm room under full load are 48-50C which is acceptable to me.

I'm sure watercooling would help a little. I believe eva2000 is using watercooling with his quad core. Maybe he could chime in at some point.

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Ok, the longest Ive run Orthos so far is 5-6 hours before trying other combinations.
Its possible that I would heat up more after 18 hours and not be stable though.
This chip is very interesting, I do think with the best air cooling I may be able to get orthos @ 3.6ghz but that may be stretching.
If you think watercooling will only help a little I may just wait until I can put together a phase cooling system.

edit: I dont use Speed Fan anymore either.
Core Temp and PC Probe report with 2c most of the time so I usually stick with PC Probe.
Although sometimes Core Temp seems to report me off by alot and then shut down, but if Orthos was off in those cases I doubt I would not get Orthos error at over 100c and PC Probe only show 50-70.


http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2...t5hoursml8.jpg

Yup my Q6600 in sig is water cooled 9x400FSB 3600mhz 24/7 orthos and folding stable on P5B Deluxe stock unmodded

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ing_4cores.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...s_24hrmark.png

those Kents are very hot

QX6700@3ghz vcore default(1.2v real)+ P5B-E Plus + stock cooling

in a closed case(CM Stacker ,in/out ->2 x 120mm)
4xPrime
18mins later( 2 cores @ 74C )
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2...fechadojo7.jpg

without side panel the temps droped 7C:) in a min
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9...do20segwe8.jpg

and 20 mins after openning the side the temps are stable at 60C
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4...do35mingl0.jpg

my E6600 at 3.6 ghz is at 82 degrees , i dont know what to do, the core temo says 85 degrees is the maximum, at 3ghz it was at 59 C, the voltage at 3.6 is 1.58v. I cant affort a water system, do you think the cpu is going to die for 24/7?

If i were you i'd keep up with this discussion.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=92509&page=8
Jinu117 is trying to see the best way to tune a single stage to best handle quad core loads. It seems a standard vapo or basic custom ss cant hold low temps under load. I'd like to go quad core also but it would be pointless for me if i couldnt keep temps low enough to go 4ghz or higher.

I am in the same position as you with my QX6700,it runs pretty hot when i have it clocked at 3Ghz,and i wasn't sure if water cooling would be enough to get it down to desents temps,so i have been looking at an alternative to water,its called Thermoelectric which is supposed to get the cpu down to 0 degrees at idle and 0.5 at full load from the reviews i have read,this was the one i am looking at
Swiftech Thermoelectric Series Liquid Cooling Kit LGA775
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod4654.htm

Has anyone used this system before because i would be interested in hearing peoples comments on how well it works before i go out and waist the money on it.

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Originally Posted by vtss120204

I am in the same position as you with my QX6700,it runs pretty hot when i have it clocked at 3Ghz,and i wasn't sure if water cooling would be enough to get it down to desents temps,so i have been looking at an alternative to water,its called Thermoelectric which is supposed to get the cpu down to 0 degrees at idle and 0.5 at full load from the reviews i have read,this was the one i am looking at
Swiftech Thermoelectric Series Liquid Cooling Kit LGA775
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod4654.htm

Has anyone used this system before because i would be interested in hearing peoples comments on how well it works before i go out and waist the money on it.

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stick with normal water cooling with a triple fan radiator :)

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Originally Posted by eva2000

stick with normal water cooling with a triple fan radiator :)

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Thanks eva but how many degrees do you think that would lower my temps,because i read a review on overclockers.au for a $500 water cooling kit http://www.overclockers.com.au/artic...?id=516509&P=5 and all it did was lower the temps by 10 degrees,and for me 10 degrees wouldn't be anywhere near enough considering my qx6700 temps go as high as 80 degrees when i overclock at 3Ghz.

Thats why i was thinking that i really need something like this Thermoelectric system,is the triple fan radiator system much better than the normal water cooling kit do you think.

I didn't want to go near the vaporchill gear but i thought this Thermoelectric stuff might be the next best thing and its a few hundred dollars cheaper than vapor to.

water will drop core2 temps down by around 8-18C from high end air cooling.. high end air would drop core2 load temps by 5-20C from stock intel hsf...

QX6700 on water probably between 60-75C load temps.... at above 1.45-1.5v vcore

the temps i'm quoting are stressprime/orthos/prime95 load temps.. for everyday apps, gaming, encoding/folding load will be 10-15C cooler than stressprime/prime95 as you can see above http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...79&postcount=6.. so 50-65C load for everyday.. unless you plan on just running prime95 24/7 for a whole year LOL

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Originally Posted by eva2000

water will drop core2 temps down by around 8-18C from high end air cooling.. high end air would drop core2 load temps by 5-20C from stock intel hsf...

QX6700 on water probably between 60-75C load temps.... at above 1.45-1.5v vcore

the temps i'm quoting are stressprime/orthos/prime95 load temps.. for everyday apps, gaming, encoding/folding load will be 10-15C cooler than stressprime/prime95 as you can see above http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...79&postcount=6.. so 50-65C load for everyday.. unless you plan on just running prime95 24/7 for a whole year LOL

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Yeah no i am not really interested in running prime95 all day heh,but when i am doing normal stuff like encoding with dvd shrink or main concept the temps are around anything from 65 to 75 with the big typoon depending on how hot the day is,thats overclocked at 3Ghz to,when i run prime95 it goes straight up to 80 to 83 degress,so if i did go normal water is there any water kit you would recommend,i was looking at this one if i went normal water http://www.pccasegear.com/prod3044.htm
What water cooler are you using by the way,maybe i should just get the same system as your using.

I just notest that the water kit in that link has only a twin fan radiator,which kit would have the tripple fan radiator do you think.

QX6700 + anymobo = HOT!

can we hope for better/proper quad-core mobos next year? all thats out now = :slapass:

using

Swiftech G4 Storm rev1
Thermochill 120.3HE with 3x120x38mm panaflo 103cfm fans
Swiftech MCP650 pump on custom Kayl 100W psu with 12.8v to 13.0v
Clearflex 1/2" tubing
T line with Dangerden Fill port

High temps here as well with Bad Axe 2 + QX6700 (step 4)

At 330x10 24/7 here, 1.475 bios (1.412 orthos load) : 74° with Alphacool NexXxos XP + double radiator. Need to install my triple but time is the problem ;)

Great coverage on the RD600 by the way, EVA2000 ! Did you test your quad on that one yet ?

eva2000 on rd600, where?

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Originally Posted by NapalmV5

eva2000 on rd600, where?

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It's in his sig ;)

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Originally Posted by eva2000

using

Swiftech G4 Storm rev1
Thermochill 120.3HE with 3x120x38mm panaflo 103cfm fans
Swiftech MCP650 pump on custom Kayl 100W psu with 12.8v to 13.0v
Clearflex 1/2" tubing
T line with Dangerden Fill port

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Thanks eva,can i buy that as a kit or is that like a custom kit that i need to buy all the parts seperate.

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Originally Posted by eva2000

using

Swiftech G4 Storm rev1
Thermochill 120.3HE with 3x120x38mm panaflo 103cfm fans
Swiftech MCP650 pump on custom Kayl 100W psu with 12.8v to 13.0v
Clearflex 1/2" tubing
T line with Dangerden Fill port

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eva i have found some of the parts but some are different revisions,and i can't find 2 of the parts on static,could you tell me what shop you got the parts from,this is what i have found so far


Swiftech G4 Storm rev1
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod2652.htm


Thermochill 120.3HE with 3x120x38mm panaflo 103cfm fans (can't find on staticice)

Swiftech MCP650 pump on custom Kayl 100W psu with 12.8v to 13.0v
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod1663.htm
Not sure what custom Kayl 100W ps means

Clearflex 1/2" tubing
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod1236.htm

T line with Dangerden Fill port (can't find on staticice)

NapalmV5... RD600... my sig man.. my sig ;) :)

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Originally Posted by thorgal

Great coverage on the RD600 by the way, EVA2000 ! Did you test your quad on that one yet ?

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Thanks... haven't tested Q6600 on it yet.. thoroughly testing memory and settings with E6600s first for both Asus 680i Striker and DFI ICFX3200 RD600 - always best to get memory related settings figured out and out of the way.. makes oc'ing the rest alot easier in the long run :D

As to parts..

Thermochill 120.3HE or 120.3PA only available overseas AFAIK, i got mine from dangerden.com in USA... but you could try locally sourced triple fan rads still better than local dual fan rads :)

You can get T lines and rads and pumps from http://www.radiical.com.au/ as well when they reopen from holiday break.

MCP650/655 can run from psu power, but i choose to use external psu with a relay switch > http://www.fileshosts.com/watercooling/custompsu/html/

Thanks for that eva i will try soughting it out.

eva if i just got this ready made kit from radical would that be as good as the parts you mentioned
Radiical Ultra Triple Kit
http://www.radiical.com.au/products/...aTripleKit.asp
Price $420.00

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Originally Posted by vtss120204

eva if i just got this ready made kit from radical would that be as good as the parts you mentioned
Radiical Ultra Triple Kit
http://www.radiical.com.au/products/...aTripleKit.asp
Price $420.00

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whole kit looks good but not sure about cpu waterblock.. ...

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Originally Posted by eva2000

whole kit looks good but not sure about cpu waterblock.. ...

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Yeah least its got the tripple radiator i spose.

thorgal, eva2000, thanx!

doh! :zombie:


looking foward to the quadcore results..

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Originally Posted by drac89

my E6600 at 3.6 ghz is at 82 degrees , i dont know what to do, the core temo says 85 degrees is the maximum, at 3ghz it was at 59 C, the voltage at 3.6 is 1.58v. I cant affort a water system, do you think the cpu is going to die for 24/7?

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Running an E6600 at 1.58 volts on air is really not a very good idea at all.
What are you using to measure the temp at 82 ? and is this idle ( I certainly hope not.....) or under load ??

You say you don't now what to do? well its kinda obvious either a) Get a decent cooling system (water etc..) or b) Run at a sensible overclock.

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Originally Posted by vtss120204

Yeah least its got the tripple radiator i spose.

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The radiator looks like the best part in that litlle radical ensemble, resembles the Alphacool NexXxos extreme a lot. Laing pump is ok, but not the best. Waterblock is doubtfull.

You really can't top EVA's setup imo : the storm and thermochill combo are about the best you can get, if not the best (I wouldn' expect any less from EVA2000 lol).

You might want to check out the Alphacool NexXxos block I've got, it comes close to the storm and should be a little cheaper. Radiator wise I'd go for the new Danger Den series today in triple or quad form : the Black Ice GTX series. For the pumps you really can't go wrong with a eheim, laing or oase pump, but make sure it's powerfull enough, certainly when you've got a storm waterblock.

I've got my QX6700 seemingly stable @ 4.2 Ghz @ 1.608V (bios readout) in my P5B dlx. I did some 4x superpi testing earlier today, and that sucker gets hot I tell you.... HOT :D

In about 2 minutes the temp on my Mach II GT display went from -55 to -40.... It eventually settled in around the -38 territory while 4x superpi'ing but I'm sure it won't take many mV's more on the cpu to make my Mach II GT cave in (i.e. overheat) .... :p:

No way I would dare give it that much Vcore on air.

@thorgal and eva

Thank you , that is valuable information when I begin building my cooling system.

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Originally Posted by LarsK

I've got my QX6700 seemingly stable @ 4.2 Ghz @ 1.608V (bios readout) in my P5B dlx.

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If that is 1.608 in BIOS have you checked how many volts your CPU is getting after Vdroop?

in CPU-Z maybe?
and yes, I am not going much over 1.5 vcore on air myself :)

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Originally Posted by vtss120204

Thanks eva but how many degrees do you think that would lower my temps,because i read a review on overclockers.au for a $500 water cooling kit http://www.overclockers.com.au/artic...?id=516509&P=5 and all it did was lower the temps by 10 degrees,and for me 10 degrees wouldn't be anywhere near enough considering my qx6700 temps go as high as 80 degrees when i overclock at 3Ghz.

Thats why i was thinking that i really need something like this Thermoelectric system,is the triple fan radiator system much better than the normal water cooling kit do you think.

I didn't want to go near the vaporchill gear but i thought this Thermoelectric stuff might be the next best thing and its a few hundred dollars cheaper than vapor to.

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I wouldn't recommend TEC for a Quad-core, as it might be hard to find a TEC that could actually handle the heat load of one. With Jinu having trouble keeping his single-stages tuned to handle the heat, I'd be very careful if you ever thought about TEC for one of these chips. If it gets overloaded, it will cook your CPU. Literally.

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Originally Posted by Ghostwind

If that is 1.608 in BIOS have you checked how many volts your CPU is getting after Vdroop?

in CPU-Z maybe?
and yes, I am not going much over 1.5 vcore on air myself :)

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No, I haven't checked with my multimeter yet, but I will. Just put the system together 2 days ago. I might do a droop mod, but for 24/7 stability, I can't give it much more Vcore anyway. With a droop mod I might be able to lower the idle Vcore a few notches though. This system is going to be my everyday workstation, so I'm not going for max oc, I'm going for max speed at total stability.