OC Report: Geil Ultra DDR2 PC2 6400 CL4 2x1GB

Hi everyone :) today I would like to introduce very popular model of ram memory in Poland. Relatively high clockers with medium price ;)

Some photos:

http://www.pimpmycase.pl/images/news/DDR2/geil1.jpg

http://www.pimpmycase.pl/images/news/DDR2/geil2.jpg

http://www.pimpmycase.pl/images/news/DDR2/geil3.jpg

Now lets start this play :rolleyes:

Test configuration

http://www.pimpmycase.pl/images/news/DDR2/sprzet.JPG

all A/C :D

Setting alpha latency...

Horrible job :p:

I found out that this combination is most stable in all cases
(in P5B Deluxe bios)
3/4/5
3/4/5
3/4/5
13
3
6
13
13
10

First try -> 2,2v (2,25v in bios) 3-3-3-13

Max stable for 24/7

http://members.chello.pl/b.vobozil/375.JPG

Losing timings to "4-4-4-13"

http://members.chello.pl/b.vobozil/500.jpg

And last lap... 5-5-5-13

And here I was quite disappointed, losing timings didn't gave any mayor boost in MHz. I was forced to raise vdimm to 2,3v real (2,35v in bios). And it bore this score...

http://members.chello.pl/b.vobozil/535.JPG

Raising vdimm with 4-4-4-13/3-3-3-13 didn't cause any extra MHz, but only stability issue :confused: :mad:

This 3 scores are entirely stable for 24/7 ;)

In addition these sticks don't boot at 2,4v real (2,45v in bios). And on 2,35v (2,4v in bios) they occur errors in Stress Prime 2004 ram test.

Summing up

This memory is based on Elpida chips.

With regards
Michael

Nice work
I have been waiting for long time to find a review for that memory it only costs 220$ and gives good oc
Any way have you ripped of the heatspreaders

No because it will avoid my varranty... and heatspreaders in geil are so week and poor that when I try to pull them off, they deflect and broke :(

But for 1000% they are based on Elpida chips and BrainPower PCB

And BTW, this memory hates Biostar Tforce 965PT, I can't achieve 1:1 400 MHz...

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Originally Posted by Moonraker™

It does indeed.

http://www.marcrigby.co.uk/Crockett/GeIL6400.jpg

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Originally Posted by Moonraker™

I have 4GB (4*1GB) of this awesome memory! (dirt cheap too!) - Now I can confirm:


GEIL DDR2 ULTRA 1024/2X1024-6400 800@4-4-4-12 2.4V D9GMH HS=Racing Orange

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i have seen this

Don't listen to any "Ram list" etc. Geil only guaranteens 2,1v and it's Elpida for sure. It hates "custom" latency like 4-4-3-8, hates low tras, hates Volts... so guess what it can be? :rolleyes:

Geil Ultra+ 3-3-3-8 PC6400 are on D9 :D

How good are those regular DDR2-800 Geils, like [url=http://geilusa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=71]this[url], im planning to get these budget modules and hoping they do atleast 450fsb on a DS3

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Originally Posted by Miravo

Don't listen to any "Ram list" etc. Geil only guaranteens 2,1v and it's Elpida for sure. It hates "custom" latency like 4-4-3-8, hates low tras, hates Volts... so guess what it can be? :rolleyes:

Geil Ultra+ 3-3-3-8 PC6400 are on D9 :D

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Geil guarantee is something and chips used is something else
May be they are not using D9 any more but they have used them once for sure

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Originally Posted by Demo

How good are those regular DDR2-800 Geils, like [url=http://geilusa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=71]this[url], im planning to get these budget modules and hoping they do atleast 450fsb on a DS3

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My friend's set is doing 500 5-6-6-18 2,3v... I assume it's promos :)

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Originally Posted by kemo6600

Geil guarantee is something and chips used is something else
May be they are not using D9 any more but they have used them once for sure

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Maybe, but now we have got Elpida :D

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Originally Posted by Demo

How good are those regular DDR2-800 Geils, like [url=http://geilusa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=71]this[url], im planning to get these budget modules and hoping they do atleast 450fsb on a DS3

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some are based on powerchips, and work fine till 2.4V. My twinmos twister (powerchips ICs) can do DDR2 900 1.9V CL5, so not too bad. Much more with a higher voltage. The Geil sticks should do pretty much the same. If you happen to buy the sticks based on different ICs, then their results may be a tad different, yet DDR2 900 won't be a problem.

That's pretty damn decent for Elpida!

Have you removed the spreaders to confirm?

Nvm i see you haven't.

Sorry, but till you do that, i'm not gonna believe you, since afaik, elpida has never gotten that far.

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Originally Posted by -n7-

That's pretty damn decent for Elpida!
, but till you do that, i'm not gonna believe you, since afaik, elpida has never gotten that far.

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you must be joking. Elpida can hit over DDR1000 easily and so can other ICs such as promos, powerchips, hynix, let alone micron.

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Originally Posted by Miravo

Don't listen to any "Ram list" etc.

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Right... :stick:

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Originally Posted by -n7-

That's pretty damn decent for Elpida!

Have you removed the spreaders to confirm?

Nvm i see you haven't.

Sorry, but till you do that, i'm not gonna believe you, since afaik, elpida has never gotten that far.

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So what are you going to tell for instance about Gskill HZ PC6400 @ Elpida scores? I can see many results 500+ ;)

G.Skill HZ is Elpida? :confused:

Since when?

Now i didn't know DDR2-1000+ was common with Elpida, so please hook me up with links showing this if it's so normal.

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Originally Posted by -n7-

G.Skill HZ is Elpida? :confused:

Since when?

Now i didn't know DDR2-1000+ was common with Elpida, so please hook me up with links showing this if it's so normal.

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Very old patches from HZ are Elpida

Welcome to the World of Mosel DDR980 Cas3 1M pi stable with only 2.5V
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...62&postcount=1

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Originally Posted by kemo6600

Very old patches from HZ are Elpida

Welcome to the World of Mosel DDR980 Cas3 1M pi stable with only 2.5V
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...62&postcount=1

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The newer one (HZ PC6400 Green 6 layer PCB) are also on Elpida. The age of cheap micron is finished :(


Holy crap, this result rocks :eek: Maybe another good player with DDR2? :banana:

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Originally Posted by Miravo

The newer one (HZ PC6400 Green 6 layer PCB) are also on Elpida. The age of cheap micron is finished :(


Holy crap, this result rocks :eek: Maybe another good player with DDR2? :banana:

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No that is not a new player that is some lucky guy with strange ICs so far I can’t imagine a Mosel to run at those speeds

Are you 100% that new HZ got Elpida

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Originally Posted by kemo6600

No that is not a new player that is some lucky guy with strange ICs so far I can’t imagine a Mosel to run at those speeds

Are you 100% that new HZ got Elpida

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No way g.skill would do that :slapass: they are still microns

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Originally Posted by GrimReaper

No way g.skill would do that :slapass: they are still microns

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I don’t believe any thing I hear till I get proof
So we need Proof

Hi, have P5B Deluxe bios 0711 and this Geil 2*1GB DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 GX22GB6400UDC

I try set in bios:

cas latency - 4
RAS to CAS delay - 4
RAS precharge - 4
RAS activate - 12
write recovery time - 6
TRFC - 42
TRRD - 10
Rank write to read delay - 10
read to precharge delay - 10
write to precharge delay - 10
Static RC - Auto

Change only basic setting 4-4-4-12 another values are same as default set by bios.
Ram frequency set on 667 - want find max stable MHz
Cpu Xeon 3060 (266*9) run stable orthos 12h. on 3,2GHz (isnot max).
I go up with FSB from 266 to 303*9 - divider 667 that is freq. RAM 760 - when run orthos after few seconds crash with this set. I think that have bad set RAM in bios (mean TRFC, TRRD and next values).


I read your setting from memset,
can you post me best setting which I must set in bios for
4-4-4-12
and
5-5-5-15
Want find max MHz for CL4 and CL5

Thanks for your(s) reply

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Originally Posted by mundi

Hi, have P5B Deluxe bios 0711 and this Geil 2*1GB DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 GX22GB6400UDC

I try set in bios:

cas latency - 4
RAS to CAS delay - 4
RAS precharge - 4
RAS activate - 12
write recovery time - 6
TRFC - 42
TRRD - 10
Rank write to read delay - 10
read to precharge delay - 10
write to precharge delay - 10
Static RC - Auto

Change only basic setting 4-4-4-12 another values are same as default set by bios.
Ram frequency set on 667 - want find max stable MHz
Cpu Xeon 3060 (266*9) run stable orthos 12h. on 3,2GHz (isnot max).
I go up with FSB from 266 to 303*9 - divider 667 that is freq. RAM 760 - when run orthos after few seconds crash with this set. I think that have bad set RAM in bios (mean TRFC, TRRD and next values).


I read your setting from memset,
can you post me best setting which I must set in bios for
4-4-4-12
and
5-5-5-15
Want find max MHz for CL4 and CL5

Thanks for your(s) reply

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4/5
4/5
4/5
12/13
3
42
6
13
13
10

In my case overclocking on Tras=12 sucks, 13 is ok ;) (boost about +/- 50 MHz on Cl4 :D)

yesterday I try my memory,
home I have this Geil and yet kingston HyperX CL4 750 - this run much users about 940 with 5-5-5-15 2,1V - good price / OC ;)
I try first set this kingston, look to your thread and set 5-5-5-15-6-42-6-13-13-10 2,1V with this set I set divider in bios 667 and go up to memory 940 (first test) and orthos run good without errors after 4 hours with divider 667 !!!
so than i take out kingston and give in P5B this Geil
cmos reset,
set in bios values as for kingston, first try basic timing 4-4-4-13-6-42-6-13-13-10 , again divider 667, memory try test in real 402Mhz DDR 802 - but orthos after few s. errors and stoped,
than try 5-5-5-15-6-42-6-13-13-10 - again orthos errors
last 4 values try change 6-10-10-10 or 12-15-15-15

do not know why with kingston is all Ok nad with Geil not :stick:

help...i need help....i got the same exact pair of rams as u and same mobo as you...but my rams jus wont boot at above 2.00v...do u know what is the problem?? help!

You tried different slots? Maybe raise voltage on SB/NB. Try setting exact timings as I.

@ mundi

Maybe your Geils are based on other chips? :confused:

are the ones sold in newegg these exact ones?

Exactly this one :p:

tried diff slots. still can boot @2.05v. let alone 2.1v

Maybe your sticks are broken? Did you try them to run Memtest at 2,0v @ default? (400 MHz 4-4-4-12)?

thanks miravo
tRas 13 indispensable :)

For low MHz <450 You should be able to run tras=12 or even 11 :cool:

So, with my Geil have still problem,
try so many setting in bios RAM on Asus P5B-Deluxe and too on gigabyte DQ6
try to load timing by SPD on each
on DQ6 try 667 and 800 - when set 800 and timing by SPD in 266*9/800 was 5-5-5-18 nad when set 268*9/806 timing was 5-6-6-20 :eek: unbelievably
of course try set timing manual 4-4-4-12(13) or as you Miravo still nothing on the both MB. From morning try testing 334*9/838 with 5-5-5-18 - know that is absolutly loss timing, but my Geil donot know runnig on 4-4-4-12 as say producer

so what with this :stick:

maybe is problem in TRAS go up to 4-4-4-15(18)

If your sticks aren't working on stock values, you will probably have to RMA them :(

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Originally Posted by Miravo

If your sticks aren't working on stock values, you will probably have to RMA them :(

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I am afraid to say that lots of people having that issue especially with 965P :( so he should try to test it in another rig

Maybe only on Biostar T-force 965PT... This crappy mobo didn't allowed for 1:1 with Geil... :confused:

i have these sticks in the post at the mo. Will be my first experience overclocking both intel and DDR2 so i'll give results on mine

ta

From early testing with a set of these, which use Elpidia or similar ICs now, I get DDR1000 5-4-4-4 @2.175vdimm completely stable.

Yup. I had the recognising wrong on my P5B-D Wi/Fi.

Mine are the D9's as stated. They overclock like mad ones. But since I can't install a new BIOS on this board since it come back [from a failed BIOS flash from WIN. - DO NOT TRUST ASUS! (flash thru their prog my arse!)] I haven't oc'd them madly. and can't access the BIOS that allows divider on my mobo.

Before I had them on a 1:1 @ 450mhz with 4-4-4-12 on 2.1v and they don't bat an eyelid. run stable the lot. I miss those days....

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Originally Posted by Postal Dude

i have these sticks in the post at the mo. Will be my first experience overclocking both intel and DDR2 so i'll give results on mine

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Did you get the GX22GB6400UDCA=? NewEgg has for the revised version of the GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC6400 on sale right now for $180USD. If these are still Elpida the voltage which NewEgg has listed as 1.9v-2.4v can't be right.

i got these ones. just udc on the end. no a=.
On that link it says 99.99 before tax. i got them for 114.99 before tax 2 days ago :-(

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=MY-058-GL

I just bought a par of Geil pc6400 ultra low latency (GX22GB6400UDC)
On the chips it said XAM258-U93G.
Anybody know what chip that is ?

powerchip

Are they any good ?

hmmm my kit will only run 435 4.4.4.12 with 2,1 V
But there is somthing wrong ! 5,5,5,15 will only do 440.
I`v testet i set of dominator pc6400 rev 2,1 thy wont do mush better.
North bridge and fsb +0.2 in bios
And its not the cpu if i set multi. to 6 insted of 7 it`s the same :-(
any suggestion ?

hello everyone,

@ nanok: can you please tell me what cpu-z 1.40 tells you abaout your powerchip ram? Just want to know what chips i have...

mine are:

G.E.I.L. Ultra DIMM 2 GB DDR2-800 Kit (GX22GB6400UDC)

Module size: 1024 MBytes
Max Bandwidth: PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Manufacturer: GEIL
Part Number: CL4-4-4-DDR2-800
Manufacturing Date: Week 27, Year 06 (i think this is the only indicator to know what chips are used!?!)

Timings Table:
5-5-5-18-23@400
4-4-4-12-16@266
3-3-3-9-12@200

my sticks get very very hot, so i went for active cooling. Is this normal??? THX

some powerchips are good, some bad, some excellent. Try to OC your sticks and you'll find out.

Hey mrsoussey
My data is the same as you`r ram only mine was made week 23 tear 06

my sticks do 5-5-5-18-23@500MHz @ 2,25V primestable
did not try any more...
what do you guys think about my sticks, is it Powerchip, elpida, aeneon,...?

if you were able to lower tras = 12, it would be probably Spectec :)

Any idea on mine?

Same Geil as used here, from Week 27, Year 06.

Timings table:
5-5-5-18-23@400
4-4-4-12-16@266
3-3-3-9-12@200

Will do DDR2-667 @ 3-3-3-10 @ 2.1v
Easily does DDR2-920 @ 5-5-5-18 @2.1v

I'd rather not rip the heatspreaders off to see... Oh, and the heatspreaders are racing orange.