overclocking socket F 2220s

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12-06-2006, 05:39 AM
venturi

overclocking socket F 2220s

Well,

I'm venturing into the overclocking world. Before I overclock the 8800gtxs I thought I should get the rig cpus up as high and stable as I can. I've managed to overclock the opterons to 3.17ghz fully stable under all conditions. I will bench mark this weekend. I can get get the clocks up past 3.25ghz, but I notice some weird bahaviors. I clocked back down to 3.2ghz, couldn't find anything wrong, but felt paranoid - so I throttled back to 3.174ghz. No issues. Rock solid.

Since these are dual cores each, I'm concerned that ther are timing issues that I have not taken into account.

How high has anyone managed to get a two socket dual core opteron 2220s to go? How much overhead is there really?

THX in advance.
12-06-2006, 06:59 AM
showmanlkz

Quote:

Originally Posted by venturi

How high has anyone managed to get a two socket dual core opteron 2220s to go? How much overhead is there really?

I wonder anyone try OC this b4? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
12-06-2006, 07:09 AM
venturi

Actually I have seenoptron 2218s and 2220 os the single chip on the board being overclocked at several Japanese sites. The owner did not divulge much in terms of stepping, bus, hypertransport layers, ntune, or any of the other variables. Too boo, my japanese is non existent. So I figured this forum would be a good place to ask.
Also, the opteron as I understand it, fits in the 4x4 board and those come with overclocking utilities as well.
So hence the question, anyone have good stable overclocks with 2218s and 2220s.
12-06-2006, 07:22 AM
tomb18

Hi Venturi,

I think you are lucky to get the 2220's up to 3.17.
The tyan board doesn't have any voltage options does it?
The board also doesn't let you adjust memory dividers either right?
My guess it's the memory holding you back.

Also, how can the 2220's go into the 4x4 board? Will the bios support ecc reg?
If you want to overclock, check out the asus kfn32-d sli. This board has bios support for different memory dividers, timings, fsb, voltaqes etc. I though for a time, the 4x4 would be built on this.
It has PCIE16 (2) as well as PCI-X and onboard SAS.
12-06-2006, 07:40 AM
venturi

I know of the kfn32-d, but I'vw been trying to get this done strictly through ntune. I would rateher do it at a bios level - given a choice.

You are correct, the 3.17 is without any modofication. However, I noticed that the 2220se, did not overclock well untill after I moved to the 1100w tagans. I guess the SE version of the cpus and the dual 750W power supply did not like each other.
12-06-2006, 12:50 PM
SoulGG

Pretty sweet rig man...Can we see some pictures please?:)
12-06-2006, 01:55 PM
Saiyan[CHW]

Show us some benchs of that, that pair of 8800GTX should work nice with dual Opterons. :)
12-06-2006, 08:34 PM
STEvil

darn nice overclock for not touching volts and such, actually. Not a lot of AMD's hit 3.0+ on air with stock volts last I remembered.
12-06-2006, 09:21 PM
Gautam

Hearing of nearly 3.2GHz on stock volts on a dual socket platform is quite impressive and is somewhat renewing my faith in AMD. :)

Nice rig and clock. :up:
12-07-2006, 03:45 AM
Lightman

Awesome overclock on air!! :toast:
One person on this forum has dual core 2P system OC'ed, but I forget WHO :(
I will dig it for you Venturi!
In meantime can you do some benches for us and pics of this monstrous RIG??
12-07-2006, 03:51 AM
v0dka

Great overclock, I think you got everyone by surprise with this.

I think they will not go much higher on more volts but who knows...!
12-07-2006, 05:10 AM
venturi

As I approach the 3.2ghz mark there appear some flaky behavior. The 2d world is fine. But if I launch a game - I can play it - but if I try to exit back to the desktop - it reboots. Also, on occasion, the windows explorer seems to lag on shutdown.

Ig I go back down to the 3.17 mark, all the quirks disappear. Feel like I have hit a wall.

Is it air? Or is it timing differences that can't be accounted for. I'm willing to use water, but before I take onthat headache again, I need to be sure its heat related. I don't think it is. The answer lies in voltage, timing, and settings.

I am also slightly limited by registered buffered ecc ram at ddr2 667
12-07-2006, 06:40 AM
v0dka

No need to go with water if youre not planning on increasing the voltage beyond what aircooling would let you do, tempwise. If youre seeing 65C loaded now ofcourse water would also be a good thing, but from your posts it doesnt sound like that.

What you need first is voltage increase, and maybe then watercooling later.

edit: but note what I already said above, I dont expect too much from extra voltage, 3.6Ghz just sounds way too much for Prime stability. Even 3.3 or 3.4Ghz seems incredible. Not to mention youre on air too!
12-07-2006, 06:49 AM
Shintai

Try run SP2004 prime for a day and see if it really is stable.
12-07-2006, 08:34 AM
Aerou

you gotta be kidding ... 3,17G on STOCK VOLTS! :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
I just drooled my room ...
12-07-2006, 08:40 AM
uOpt

I defer judgment until pictures come in.

This would be unusual without voltmods.
12-07-2006, 10:57 AM
tomb18

I suspect that it is your ram slowing you down. Especially in that you have 16G.

To get 3.17 GHz on your system you have to run the clock at 227 MHz. Therefore your ram is running at 227/200*667=757 MHz. I think that this is highly unlikely at stock voltage and timings with 16G in that system. If you are lucky, you may have but beyond this I don't think so. Try lowering your memory clock if you can. Also lower the htt to 800.

Check your system logs for check errors...I suspect that you have a bunch from ecc corrections.

The high end opterons don't seem to be good overclockers.. On my system I have 2 854's.(2.8 GHz) If I go beyond 2.95 on one processor, prime95 fails, and I can go to 3.05 on the other and it fails. If I raise the voltage, there is absolutely no change.
12-07-2006, 12:39 PM
uOpt

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomb18

The high end opterons don't seem to be good overclockers.. On my system I have 2 854's.(2.8 GHz) If I go beyond 2.95 on one processor, prime95 fails, and I can go to 3.05 on the other and it fails. If I raise the voltage, there is absolutely no change.

What board? There's a whole bunch of things that can go wrong in the board.

And obviously the OP set a memory divider.
12-07-2006, 12:40 PM
venturi

So far its air cooled.

Might be little too tight to watercool and run all the necessary wiring/hoses

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2350/img1601fi4.th.jpg

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5...1642xh1.th.jpg

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6...1645ap9.th.jpg

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7123/desksd4.th.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7425/img1611bo1.th.jpg
12-07-2006, 01:05 PM
Lightman

This is one beautiful RIG :slobber: ! :rolleyes:

I saw same case and 2P socket system some time ago. It was also yours??
12-07-2006, 01:19 PM
VulgarHandle

i was gonna say the same, I thought I had seen these pics before...
12-07-2006, 02:19 PM
SoulGG

I did too...There was some comparison test ran on another site I visited I believe. With your rig and a dual woodcrest setup... But at the time you had Quad SLI and not 2 8800GTX's
12-07-2006, 03:01 PM
uOpt

Very nice.

What does the second PSU do in your setup?
12-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Lightman

Venturi, can you post CPU-Z or any other info tool screen which shows stepping of core, because I have suspicion that yours opterons are based on mysterious F3 revision core.
Thanks in advance! :toast:
12-07-2006, 04:08 PM
tomb18

Quote:

Originally Posted by uOpt

What board? There's a whole bunch of things that can go wrong in the board.

And obviously the OP set a memory divider.

(OP?)
The board I use is the ASUS k8n-dl.
I can set the memory divider to whatever I want.
The overclock stops at 2.95 even with additional voltage and the memory at a lower clock. Increases in the northbridge voltage also make no difference.
I've used clockgen, ntune, etc with no difference.
The power supply is a SIlverstone 650W Zeuss
Do you think I shoulda gotten higher than 2.95?
12-07-2006, 07:28 PM
venturi

I'm away from home tonight, but I will take a screenshot this weekend. I will check the revison / stepping of the opterons. Peaked my curiosity.

THX

V
12-07-2006, 08:03 PM
uOpt

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomb18

(OP?)
The board I use is the ASUS k8n-dl.
I can set the memory divider to whatever I want.
The overclock stops at 2.95 even with additional voltage and the memory at a lower clock. Increases in the northbridge voltage also make no difference.
I've used clockgen, ntune, etc with no difference.
The power supply is a SIlverstone 650W Zeuss
Do you think I shoulda gotten higher than 2.95?

Err, the K8N-DL is a socket 940 board. I thought we are talking Socket 1207 here?

In any case, the board in the pictures is not a K8N-DL. The K8N-DL has 6 RAM slots on different sides of the CPU.

Is it mprime stable?

So what do you use the second PSU for?
12-08-2006, 05:13 AM
venturi

PSU 1 and PSU 2 operate at the same time. When I hit the power button, both come on. Same thing when I turn it off or let the OS do the shutdowm

PSU 1 is used for:
Motherboard and cpus (8 pin, 4 pin, and 24 pin)
Floppy
USB multireader
DVD burner
Physix card (but not using it right now)

4 blue led fans use the motherboard headers.

PSU 2 is used for:
2 8800gtx (4 pci-e connectors)
8 750GB sata (raided) drives
6 120mm blue led fans

All fans are adjustable and run on the lowest speed setting (very quiet pc)

1st - At 2560x1600 - the video cards were not getting enough power from the rails on the dual 750w prior design. I was getting lock-ups or reboots from not enough juice.

2nd - the SE edition of the chips use considerable more power, running 4 cores.

3rd - that's a lot of ram

Problem solved now.

At bootup, the extra power helps with the array spinning up as well.
12-08-2006, 05:46 AM
wwwww

I got my 2212's to 2.66GHz limited by board.
12-08-2006, 06:40 AM
mofoman

God that is an impressive system.I am dying myself to build a Quad Fx rig and I am sure it will be pretty similar to your rig once I have finished, minus 8gig of ram and about five HDD's of course,lol.

Thanks for the pics of that system though, it really is damn impressive and I am really envious.
12-08-2006, 07:10 AM
Rickster_64

16GB ram DDR2? 6TB storage? Good LORD!!!
12-09-2006, 01:23 AM
Adamantine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightman

This is one beautiful RIG :slobber: ! :rolleyes:

I saw same case and 2P socket system some time ago. It was also yours??

Quote:

Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

i was gonna say the same, I thought I had seen these pics before...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulGG

I did too...There was some comparison test ran on another site I visited I believe. With your rig and a dual woodcrest setup... But at the time you had Quad SLI and not 2 8800GTX's

http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=77396
12-09-2006, 03:04 AM
Lightman

Wonderful link! Thanks Adamantine ;)
12-09-2006, 03:47 AM
Obi

That's one of the nicest PC's I've ever seen. totally love how you've made it all so neat, and haven't gone overboard with the blue lights.

oh the stuff inside is pretty cool too :)

Insane
12-09-2006, 07:21 PM
wwwww

http://www.wprime.net/mine.jpg

Here's mine.
12-09-2006, 08:21 PM
tomb18

wwwww
How's the overclocking on the ASUS KFN5-D?
I'm thinking of a kfn32-d sli
Thx
12-09-2006, 08:30 PM
njkid32

I have basically the same setup as wwwww.. These cpu's clock quite well but the mobo is the limiter.. Has next to no oc options. It will max at 2.1ghz for these cpu's... I use clockgen to get to 2.6ghz running WCG 24/7...

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6...03largeoi0.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5...05largeyj1.jpg
12-09-2006, 08:43 PM
wwwww

Oh btw those SCSI drives aren't working atm (card doesn't work on this board). Silly board only gives 1x lane to the 2nd PCI-e 16x slot if GFX card in 1st slot (SCSI card needs 4x lane).

Board does 266MHz through clock gen, bios only lets it go up to 210MHz (despite manual saying 300MHz). Asusman says, "Due to the concern of system stability, the upper value range of CPU frequency was set to 210 and it will not be changed. Sorry for this inconvenience and thank you very much for choosing ASUS product."

Has mem divider and timing options, vdimm to 2.0V (and they're all like, "warning excessive vdimm may damage memory modules").

Clockgen let's it go up to 266MHz.
12-09-2006, 08:46 PM
njkid32

I get so frustrated with clockgen though cuz you really need to take small steps with it. I'll freeze at weird numbers. Then reboot and start all over again.. But then again I dont reboot to often:)
12-09-2006, 08:59 PM
Sparky

njkid32 I would think the zalmans would be better off blowing towards the back of the case towards the exhaust fan instead of towards the front....
12-09-2006, 09:01 PM
njkid32

:rofl: yeah I realized it after I put it all together in the case. I since changed it though:)
12-10-2006, 04:23 PM
tomb18

I looked at the manual for the k5n32-d sli and it seems that there is some options for OC. However, you say thaty ASUS limits it to 210?
Probably the same for this board.
My guess is that they did this because their bios is based on the asus k8n-dl system where you cannot go above 210 in the bios without hitting a wall.
Clockgen does work though.
12-10-2006, 05:53 PM
SoulGG

sick setups guys:)
12-10-2006, 09:49 PM
wwwww

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomb18

I looked at the manual for the k5n32-d sli and it seems that there is some options for OC. However, you say thaty ASUS limits it to 210?
Probably the same for this board.
My guess is that they did this because their bios is based on the asus k8n-dl system where you cannot go above 210 in the bios without hitting a wall.
Clockgen does work though.

The manual says it goes up to 300MHz though, kinda why I originally got it.
12-10-2006, 10:01 PM
njkid32

Hmm I wonder if there is a bios that unlocks it or it can be unlocked within one of the current ones... I'll look into this tomorrow:)
12-10-2006, 10:40 PM
wwwww

Hey njkid32 can you get nTune to work on your system?
12-10-2006, 10:41 PM
njkid32

I havent tried it have you?
12-10-2006, 10:53 PM
wwwww

Quote:

Originally Posted by njkid32

I havent tried it have you?

Yeah - system hangs when I run it - tried xp-64 and xp - same problem. Also system hangs when clockgen reads PCI-e bus speed (can stop that though).
12-12-2006, 02:40 AM
mofoman

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwww

http://www.wprime.net/mine.jpg

Here's mine.

That is one sick PC.It's absolutely gorgeous.I really,really,really can't wait to have my Quad fx system.

There is something beautiful about dual Cpu setups.

BTW, could you possibly send me some more pics of your dual cpu pc??If you pm me, I'll give you an email address to send them too.Please, I would love to see some more of it.
12-12-2006, 07:16 AM
wwwww

Send me a PM in a day or two, it's a complete mess atm - waiting on a PCI vid card so I can run this SCSI card and an SCA backplane (for my 146 gig cheetahs) so I can get rid of those silly 74gig Raptors.

And gotta tidy it up before I photograph it :P.

Gosh I hate idiots who post big images (wait that was me wasn't it :P - *curses my 1024x768*)

Can find some older pics here:
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img1.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img2.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img3.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img4.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img5.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img6.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img7.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img8.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img9.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img10.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img11.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img12.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img13.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img14.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img15.jpg
http://www.wprime.net/photos/rackmount/img16.jpg

I'm not sure what the numbers went up to - so the last few many not work.
12-12-2006, 02:28 PM
generics_user

any updates on this venturi? these look like F3 opterons, can you show us the OPN-code and week:slobber:

if these reaally are on SiGe we could expect some very high clocks from K8L:eek:
12-13-2006, 05:55 AM
venturi

sorry - busy week at work and spent every night being mauled at the mall in my reluctant effort to participate in the act of having to buy overpriced gifts for people that deserve them even less for the sake of a holiday.

I already bought my family gifts, its all the other ones that my heart isn't in it.

BAH! HUMBUG!!! (scrooge)

will look at it this weekend, trust me - I would rather play with my PC than be one of the sheep at the malls. I also have been dabbling in overclocking the video cards as well.

Next year I'm buying this holiday ON-LINE!!!
12-13-2006, 04:25 PM
Lightman

OK!
We are waiting!

PS. Try to do some tests on Saturday, coz Sunday I'm going on 2100Km car trip from UK to Poland and will be out of net for 24h:sonic: .
12-18-2006, 11:20 AM
cky2k6

yeah, so any news? all we really want is to know if these are the f3 revision chips?
12-19-2006, 07:07 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by cky2k6

yeah, so any news? all we really want is to know if these are the f3 revision chips?

Thanks, I think you just answered the question I had about a couple of cpus I have here :toast: A tray of these babies came directly from Malaysia last week....

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8...nbsmallpr4.jpg

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/8...18smalllt0.jpg
12-19-2006, 07:12 PM
[XC] DragonOrta

S7e9h3n, It's been a long time since I've seen you around here. Does this mean you'll be more of a regular now? :)
12-19-2006, 07:18 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonOrta

S7e9h3n, It's been a long time since I've seen you around here. Does this mean you'll be more of a regular now? :)

Give me another couple of months....you guys won't regret it ;) :toast:

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