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Acording to the amd road map we will see "brisbane" dual core am2 65nm in first half of 2007. Does anyone know more specifically weather this will be quater1 or 2.
Also what do you foresee more powerful, Windzor FX or brisbane?
http://www.vulomedia.com/images/8789...06_Roadmap.png
Brisbane will debut in December (you can see that the Brisbane bar stretches into 2006). Since Brisbane is highly unlikely to perform any better (more than a few percent) than previous dual cores, Windsor FX will probably be faster due to the larger L2 cache. Brisbane might, however, overclock to higher frequencies than 90nm parts and therefore outperform Windsor. The real benefits with Brisbane will be (hopefully) considerably lower power consumption and possibly lower prices.
There's a lot of "might", "possibly" and "hopefully" in this post. :p: We'll see in a few weeks. If I have the money, I'm going to get one. Unless initial reports reveal that they overclock like crap. I'm hoping for 3GHz with reasonable power consumption.
This sounds like crap.They changing sockets one after another.What does AM2+ mean and HT3? Will I need another board?
what i have read is that a am3 cpu will work in a am3 , am2+, and a am2 motherboard
a am2+ cpu will work work in all three motherboards also
a am2 cpu will work only in a am2 motherboard
I see. When do you think Windsor FX's will be hitting the market?
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HT3 = Hyper-Transport 3.0 , as opposed to 2.0 I think we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsAsIn8eR
Your kidding? Windsors have been out for months and a 3ghz is about to come out with a X2 6000 renamed (FX64) and a FX74.Quote:
Originally Posted by epion2985
If you want Hyper transport 3 overclock your boards hyper transport when you put a Hyper transport 3 cpu into your old AM2. You'd see real benifits since the cpu has links capable of the speeds of 4gt/s upto 5.2gt/s.
ht3.0 is in second half of 2007, such a long wait :( wish it was sooner.
so, Im confused which one is the K8L?.....
That would be Agena, Kuma, Rana and Spica.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenTarkin
Why? HT3 itself is not going to give any performance increases. Current chips are not limited by the HyperTransport bus, which can easily be seen by lowering the HT multiplier. Quad core (Agena) might push the HyperTransport bus a lot more, which could mean that HT3 might be necessary to sustain maximum performance. What's going to increase performance is the architectural enhancements in the new core and HT3 is simply there to make sure that the core doesn't become I/O limited. So, the drool object is the new core and not the updated bus protocol. ;) Well, it might be if you're into servers and really need the new features.Quote:
Originally Posted by epion2985
ah thanks mikael - I wasnt aware of the new core names yet for K8L...Ive not been keeping up on the K8L buzz lol.
I cant wait to see how it performs tho.
I meant the windsor FX, socket 1207, dual core 4x4. I don't see any socket 1207 cpu's from amd yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Serge84
They will come in the end of 2006. We already seen them deminstrated with encoding 2 HD movies and playing 2 games at the same time. Google quad father. I think they are set to come out in the next few weeks. Like around 65nm's release date the 5th of Dec.Quote:
Originally Posted by epion2985
Id get Kuma. Only 2 cores are disabled but it would cost no more then the dual cores. Quad cores will be expencive. But AMD's approce is to make dozens of different models so even quad cores will be on the low end side too. Maybe I'd spend the extra money who knows. Only 2 cores will be used ever really because of programer limits for awile.
All I can say is if they are not hitting decently over 3ghz why switch. I mean, AMD had FX-55's on 130nm getting upto 3ghz back in what, 2003? Sure its single core, but really why get excited over that? The progression of hardware has all but stopped on the AMD side for now, so I would rather put my cash towards a DX10 card and leave my other stuff alone.
There are lots of s1207 procs to pick fromQuote:
Originally Posted by epion2985
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=&srchInDesc=
I am shocked that a week from release, no one is even saying they know someone with a 65nm AMD chip let alone talking about them. I know NDA's are tight but I am still surprised not a single word. They must really be sucky I guess, lol
that is AMD strategy positionQuote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
brisbane, barcelona and new Radeon are hidden from entusiasts -)
Socket F Opterons need registered RAM to work, 4x4 CPUs won't.
This isn't really a matter of money so there is little reason to penny pinch and invest in outdated technology. Why get excited over multiple cores you ask? Why do you even ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
So socket 1207 = socket F?Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I will be buying in February 2007. Any big breaks by then from amd or intel?
how much money do you plan to spend?Quote:
Originally Posted by epion2985
If without limit - your choice is kent qx6700
it is much faster than 2xFX K8 when OCed
http://amdzone.net/modules.php?op=mo...rder=0&thold=0
Straight from the official AMD Fanboi site leader:p:Quote:
I asked about samples, and while AMD acknowledged the request there is no word yet as to if or when samples are going out for review. It also appears the 4X4 review samples have also been completely botched. In about a decade of following AMD I call that not a good sign for the immediate future.
Looks like Brisbane has some K8L features like 4 decoders, Out-Of-Order store bufer and OOO L2 cache read/write.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32322
http://129.15.202.185/athlon_rev_g/wtf_mates.html
They mixed up K8L very early prototypes with Brisbane. TBH till today I didn't saw any SINGLE die shot of Brisbane CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by doompc
This may be because we will see some surprise from AMD? But realistically I'm expecting optical shrink of Rev F.:dammit:
i await brisbane, and hope to see some core enhancements.
also, whats the difference between kuma and rana?
L2 cache maybe? good questionQuote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/...m_dualcore.jpg
Kuma has L3?
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=679375
Looks like the previously named Antares.
Westsideplaya, the L3 cache, Kuma has it, Rana doens't.
Lightman, I spect a little more than just a die shrink, maybe the inclusion of SSE4 support, higher memory controller efficiency at lower memory frequency, (possibly un)official support for DDR2-1066.
Like the unfamous rev. D0 Winchester, it was basicaly an 130 to 90nm die shrink, but with some minor improvements, it's memory controller can un-oficialy work with 2 dual-bank dimms at DDR400 2T, an official feature of rev E.
Isn't the qx6700 already out? You saying they will have better clocked versions by Feb or that this is the best thing for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
I totally believe in multicores, as I am running one myself! It is that fact that they are not adding a lot of features "yet" and core speeds are not even upto the top of the ring with a new process. Those facts are what I am not excited for. I guess if ya look at how core to core 2 clocks have increased we can only hope the same happens with the new A64 cores. I guess we all will know next week!Quote:
Originally Posted by epion2985
I don't think the clocks ever get to where they potentially can be because its faster and cheaper to move on to a new technology that even when raw and undeveloped and un-perfected will yield much greater performance then the most perfected older tech.
Umh no.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
AM2 boards cannot use Quad-Cores because of different power routing in the socket.
For QC AMD will launch a new socket AM2+ which can use AM2 CPUs and QC , but it lacks HT3.0.
AM3 which will arrive somewhere in 2008 will have HT3.0 but will use only K8L based CPUs , that is a no for current AM2s.
Hope it clears things a little bit.
As I understand it, AM2+ motherboards will support current AM2 chips, future AM2+ chips AND AM3 chips. AM2 motherboards will only support current AM2 chips and future AM2+ chips (not sure about AM3, but this is possible, in theory). AM3 motherboards, due to the use of DDR3, will only support AM3 chips, but by the time this comes out most motherboards in the market should be either AM2+ or AM3.Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
HT is backwards compatible so that's a non-issue. HT3.0 is better because it has higher clocks (and, thus, bandwidth) but that's not an issue for the most part (until you deal with multi-socket). AM2+ will also have split power planes and, because of this, a better version of Cool'n'Quiet.
link pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by savantu
for what has been rolling around , this is not even close
you see where you messed up at ?
how can one have a different power routing and can not be used for qc , but runs dc , and yet we can go to am2+ motherboard with different power routing and htt3 but not ddr3 , that is reserved for am3
There is no such thing as AM2+ chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furen
You have K8 on AM2 and K8L on AM2+/AM3.
Because AM2 doesn't support separate power planes for core and NB , while AM2+ supports both ( that is a single and separate power planes ).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
and since why would that stop a K8L cpu from working in a am2 socket when amd said that it wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by savantu
the only thing that you would not have is seperate power plane control , big deal
so then just how is amd going to label the cpu's so that people will know the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
K8L will also work on a am2 socket
Where ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
It is.Quote:
the only thing that you would not have is seperate power plane control , big deal
AM2 CPUs will work on AM2+ boards too.
AM2+ CPUs will work on AM2, AM2+ and AM3 boards.
AM3 CPUs will only work in AM3 boards (DDR3 mem controller only).
It's unclear but future CPU with integrated GPU must use another socket.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3169Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-74...herboards.html
http://www.thetechguides.com/index.p...ask=view&id=54
AMD Confirms Quad-Core AM2 Processors
In a Q&A session with Henri Richard from AMD, DigiTimes.com learned that AMD does have plans for quad-core Socket AM2 processors, with the future release of K8L series chips.
We, on the other hand, because of our early adoption of HyperTransport, have a very solid socket strategy. The lifecycle of the current socket was well accepted and actually praised by the industry. We're now introducing AM2, and of course AM2 will be quad-core compatible. So we have less churn in our infrastructure, and we're providing more stability. That actually has a very important effect on enterprise customers. They really like that approach.
now do you have any links that says that the K8l cpu will not work in K8 am2 socket?
the memory controller on all K8l cpu's support both ddr2 and ddr3 mempryQuote:
Originally Posted by doompc
Does Brisbane bring about any physical changes to the core, or is it a simple die shrink? (if you can call a die shrink simple.)
none that i know for sure , rumors is all , maybe sse4 , maybe improved memory controllerQuote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
where the hell they have such stubid code/core names
Agena, Kuma, Rana and Spica. o lord WHy..........:D
We need Jerry Sanders back, LOL.
i think AMD is making the name code secret, HKEPC send this code names, whitch don't feel the AMD touch. I think the reals codes names are barcelona, shangai, budapest :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
jerry was good , but i think that the company has come a long way since he leftQuote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
That was before socket AM2+ popped up.Things change...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
As for sources , I live only on gossip and rumours... :P
no , nothing has changed except for the fact that L8L will not be going to ddr3 right away , that is why there is a socket called AM2+ , which will be a upgrade of HTT3 , AM3 will be HTT3 and DDR3Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
the cpu is backwards compatible from AM3 to a plain AM2 motherboard , the K8 is not compatible with a am2+ or am3 motherboard
the K8L cpu for AM2+ and AM3 motherboard is backwards compatible to the AM2 motherboard
i would even be interested in your gossip and rumors , even though we know that does not count
hmmm. cant see the krudfather being launched with the older slow core and this brisbane being the new fast core. brisbane is a dumb die shrink with limitted oc potential.
Same could be said about 90nm, however they on average overclock better (almost a full 400-600Mhz better than 130nm) then what they replace. While using less power.Quote:
Originally Posted by pawl
I have a feeling that the 65 nm Amd Brisbane will have an improved memory controller;)
humbug memory controller. we want the new improved IPC core. they can keep the memory controller. all the whisper and inuendo about better things to come soon etc - its all rubbish.
amd had to be absolutley desperate to be desperate to break the numbering system and allow the operton socket 1207 to work to unregisterd ram. now every cheap server vendor is going to be squeazing them to let the opteron server cpus run with elcheapo ram.
and im guessing that they needed all those pins to supply the power to that hungry beast. its the new SUV of cpus.
the are running on empty. no gas.
9/10 performance problems come from not enough work being ready to be processed.Quote:
Originally Posted by pawl
Not the lack of processing power
Thats k8l The improved ipc;=)
The big thing for Amd Brisbane is
1.Improved Memory controller<---Very likely, but i cant guarantine it
2.Lower power Usage:toast:
3.And higher clocks, althought the first one may clock bad . This will depend on how mature Amd 65 nm production is. Noone knows, but my guess is that Amd have had time to mature their 65nm node.
In a few days we will know:toast:
umm, i think we can drop the intel-dubbed "K8L" and use AMD's name, K10
So there will not be AM3 CPUs (DDR3 only).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
im crossing my fingers that its more powerful than intel.. because i've always had an AMD in my computer.. and i <3 the underdog...
but then again I <3 the best.
I wonder how the market will look in February....
K8L is native quad core like Intels QX6700 right?
QX6700 has two Conroe chips sharing the FSB.
"K8L" is Greyhound/Deerhound, now renamed to certain starsQuote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
from looking at the original post, it seems as if Kuma is multi-core, and Rana is single core?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
AM2+ is the name for the socket, not a kind of CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by doompc
AM2 CPU supports DDR2Quote:
Originally Posted by doompc
AM3 CPU supports DDR2 and DDR3
Socket AM2 mobos use DDR2
Socket AM2+ mobos use DDR2 and have HT3.0
Socket AM3 mobos use DDR3
AM2 CPUs works on socket AM2 and AM2+ mobos
AM3 CPUs works on socket AM2+ and AM3 mobos (using DDR2 or DDR3, respectively)
Easy as that! :p:
(if there's some error tell me, but I think it's correct)
from what I've heard, that looks right. AM2+ is just a bridge between AM2 and AM3. Nothing more than HT3.0 for socket AM2...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotrsama
I gess the QX6700 is not much different than 4X4, other than the cores are physically connected. Should be intersting to see how much performance gains there are from 4X4 to Rev. H. That will be a while though.
Since the Hyper Transport 3.0 is backward-compatible AM3 CPUs will work on present day AM2 boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotrsama
According to the first CPU-Z shot of the Brisbane core, it's running at 1.3V stock. Pretty high for a 65nm part.
Linky
It may also be a cpu-z error
We will know tommorow if this is true or not
There have been rumors about initial 65nm parts needing higher voltage than expected. Let's hope it isn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teroedni
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=125497
there is a link right in this forum :)
This is good enough for you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/115...uadcorexb6.jpg
Looks like gossip wins this time ... ;)
Sounds like someone forgot than Socket M2+ is 100% compatible with Socket M2 as the only features that it adds is Hyper Transport 3 (Probabily useless, everyone knows than Chipset communications doesn't even comes close to sature the current Bandwidth than Hyper Transport gives) and split power planets for running less used parts of the Cores at lower Voltage to save power consumption independently from the rest.
and a few other things, but yes, an am2+ cpu will work in an am2 board. why bother with the +? i dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by zir_blazer
I guess one more reason to just sit back and watch AM2. It's gonna get left behind just like 939 did. If I invest it will be AM3 as core speeds from AMD will not exceed much if any beyond 3ghz before AM3 arrives.
Wow... didn't know K8l was only going to be opterons.Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
Gossip wins? lol it's not even gossip, every other people know k8l will work on am2, so i fail to see where it wins.
and where does it say that it will not work in a am2 socket ?Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
And these CPUs already have support for DDR3 memory, they will work on AM3 boards.
We'll wait and see. :cool:
true .. trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
Its been like how many years now since launch of dual-core?
Performance improvement in games from dual cores (to date) = virtually non-existant.
and then, reallity sinks in:
Overall benefit for average consumer to upgrade from existing P4/AthlonXP rig = nowhere to be found.
Now, I realize this is xtremesystems, and die-hard overlockers live here. But, vast majority of folks out there in the wild dont fold, or even know what it means. Look at top game sales and you see Sims, Lego Starwars and WOW right up there. Do you really need a 4Ghz LN2 C2D for that? Consiering many many of these poor lil people are running integrated graphics, and (also) have less than 512MB RAM, CPU horsepower is probably pretty low on the list of "whats wrong".
Yet, they still come in droves to buy newer versions of Windows, an newer versions of Office, and get new shiny PC with faster CPU, hopping that THIS time, it wont take minutes for all icons to load in system tray, or that somehow that horrible grinding sound accompanying applications loading, will go away. Sorry folks, but 90% + of your problems are plain simple system maintanace, and use of newer and more bloated then ever software.
Anybody try Win98 and Office97 on Core2Duo yet? I bet it takes <15sec to boot, and <2sec to start Word.
When a scheduled task kicks in it doesn't disrupt video playback or 3d gameplay, that's good enough for me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
So other than a screenshot of one, does anyone even HAVE one of these chips in hand? Seems pretty weak that no one in this entire forum has one yet. AMD must really ber slacking with them.
maybe, but he's not in hurry to post his OC resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
it's a fake
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8012/bris01vt5.jpg
3.5 ghz@ stock volts is good enough for me lol
:eek: if this is for real, holy :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
Dude!!!!!!!!! Hopefully it's on water or a tuniq. Not phase. I woudl think that if yields where that good for air or close, AMD would be singing to the high heavens about it. We will see ;-) promising though!
I agree it loooks sweat,
but I dont wanna get all excited and then be cry all the way ...
Im waiting for a full POST - pics, screenies and stuff, cuz the cpu-z voltage reading maybe bugged ... Who knows?
well I know someone who did 3.8 with a 5000+ 65nm piece on air. just boot stable probably, but would make that ^^ screenshot believable.
Validation? Lets get some. >_>?Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
:slobber: When this happened?? :stick:
I'm searching forums looking for something like this and suddenly :explode2: !
@MAS where did you found this pic??
@biohead do you have more details about this Brisbane?? ES sample or commercial one??
OK! Now it's time for :toast:
Here's the article...
http://www.chilehardware.com/articulo_1686.html
Here's the forum thread for you to follow for those interested...
http://www.chilehardware.com/foro/co...md-t50333.html
Use you favourite online translation service (Spanish to whatever...)
to read it.
I'm all shaking ... I want them @ retailers ! :D
If 4GHz is doable, then AVE AMD ! :toast:
Hardly a reason to celebrate....
Neither link (above) has anything to do with "their" review of Brisbane CPU...
Just their take on AMD's 65nm tech. Even if they had the CPU in question, they would provide far more details about it. Maybe actuall pics...:stick:
It's not like there is NDA on it as AMD's official release date was Dec 5th.
I say Vaporware....:explode2:
MAS why are you posting fake screen shot?? :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
He's AMD's biggest fanboy! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Am2 4Ghz
can't wait :)
I'm all for seeing a Brisbane running 3.5+ Ghz w/stock volts on air.:)
If it was availible for 939, I'd be even happier.
Ed is uasually pretty right on here's what he has to say.
http://www.overclockers.com/tips01073/
Ed had a few other things to rant about.
http://www.overclockers.com/tips01074/
You must admit Ed has a few very good points.
those SS are fake i didnt post them, i only posted stock clocks stock volts