EVGA 680i SLI board is killing ram.

I have 2 kits of G.Skill 6400HZ and i have lost 1 stick from each kit. 1 of the sticks that died has never been overvolted.

Here is some compaints and stories

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Originally posted by Dayofpain
[br]heres a nice piece of ****.

4x DOMINATOR PC8888 FRIED
4X DOMINATOR PC8500 FRIED
2X OCZ TITIANIUM PC8000 FRIED.

Im going to return this pos to newegg. (the mobo)

First mobo.

http://www.evga.com/community/messag...erms=dayofpain


Second mobo.

Installed last night.

Have to remove power and use cmos jumper to boot EVERY SINGLE TIME. beta bios flashed. Too bad everysingle resistor on the board needed to be straightened. 2 were bent all the way to the ram slots. gfg.

cant boot cant maintain voltage. and this is one that they handpicked for an advanced rma.

later evga. 2 strikes ur out.

2 thousand dollars in ram. Thanks.

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Originally posted by palese
[br]just lost a stick of Corsair 6400C3DF in black slot, the default volt for this ram is 2.4

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Originally posted by linflas

and I have 2 GB of Gskill sitting on my desk waiting for an RMA number because one stick I know for sure has gone to the ******per, and another that I do not trust now, back to corsair for me, as soon as I get new one's back from RMA the gskill goes on ebay, and I get some better corsair stuff

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Originally Posted by sadcat1

I can tell you in my case no sticks work in the right slots, all sticks work in the left slots and when a stick is put in either right slot,I get C1 and a long beep.

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Originally Posted by lopri

Absolutely no. :) I had the same C1 problem with one of my sticks. I first thought my stick was defective because I didn't have a problem booting with my other pair. (Both pairs are exact same model, same batch)

After playing a bit with the working pair, I used canned air to blow any dirt away from the sticks and the slots. I also configured the BIOS settings to what I wanted (including Vdimm). Shut down the machine and inserted the problematic sticks, then it worked flawlessly ever since.

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The board didn't kill my ram! It doesn't work in the right side slots. It works in the left side. I know this is difficult to believe. My personal opinion is these reference boards have so many different problems, they have no idea how to fix them.

i just cancelled my order just by reading this.I hope i did the right thing :)

Its a difficult mobo to overclock. Other conroe's board is too easy...Set all in bios, boot to window and use clockgen, but not this 680i board.

Remember those UTT fiasco? It turned out that Nf4 board not supply enough v to memory when it post. Change the ram's spd cured it all.
680i board just came out not even 3 weeks with 1 bios revision (1333 FSB conroes not even released yet).

I ran this board almost 24/7 in 12 days straight with phase @-40/-30ish evap. overclocked (mostly @4.2Ghz 1.6Vcore) and never give me a problem.....Knock on wood.
And I killed a bunch of 975X boards because condensation or some other problem.

Give it time and keep playin with it.

Report of my 2 bad sticks.
Stick-1 needs 2.2v to run at stock speed and timings
Stick-2 Tried 2.1v,2.2v,2.3v At stock speeds and stock timing and BSOD just before windows.

So i have a bad stick in each of my 2 kits tested.

It seems that the second blue slot is the 1 that damaged my rams.

OMAGAD! thats sound really bad. I knew something MUST be wrong about a 590 labeled as 680!

I hope Abit and the other Manufacturers who havent released their Board are now aware of the Problem!

iLL

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Originally Posted by SKiLL3D

OMAGAD! thats sound really bad. I knew something MUST be wrong about a 590 labeled as 680!

I hope Abit and the other Manufacturers who havent released their Board are now aware of the Problem!

iLL

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i hope they don't have the problem either.
I know that the asus striker has the sound problem just like the evga did.

to all the 680i users out there:

do u think 680i is buggy now??

cuz i kinda wanna get 1 but after seeing these results ...

man u hate this board dont u?

if this is how it goes. i might just get P5B DLX and prolly do single GPU...

It is buggy, yes. I do have a question, though. About how many of these motherboards have been sold and are being used right now? Quite a few. The op quoted 5 posts from other forums, 6 if you include himself. sadcat1 and lopri are not reporting that their 680i killed their ram, so scratch two of the six. So their are 4 people reporting dead ram. Does this make it a confrimed epidemic? Do the math and percentages. It does not. Let's say for argument's sake that only 500 EVGA 680i's were sold and being used. With four people reoprting ram failures, that would put it at .8%. Does that sound like a "confirmed" motherboard defect? Not yet.

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I have 2 kits of G.Skill 6400HZ and i have lost 1 stick from each kit. 1 of the sticks that died has never been overvolted.

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So 3 of the 4 that failed have been overvolted? What does that do for an RMA? You voided your warranty when you applied too much voltage to the ram sticks.

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The board didn't kill my ram! It doesn't work in the right side slots. It works in the left side. I know this is difficult to believe.

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posted by sadcat

How many boards and chipsets have ram slots that don't work very well? DFI boards are famous for having to use the orange slots and not the yellow (I used the SLI-DR for a year, so I know this from experience). Does this make it a ram killer? No, even posted by sadcat, one of the persons you tried to use to bear witness to your EVGA 680i SLI board is killing ram. Confirmed!!!
doomsday thread topic.

As far as Dayofpain and his $2000 worth of ruined ram, I feel for him, because that's an aweful lot of money. But good lord, wouldn't you have stopped after maybe the second set of ram stopped working????? To me, it would have been very obvious after the second set of memory failed that their was an issue with the board, but to waste 2 sets of four and an additional set of two sticks is not very wise. Like I said, I really do feel bad for him, but man, common sense should have kicked in at some point, don't you think? As a side note to his particular situation, EVGA rep contacted him directly on Wed to get his mobo issue resolved. It's obvious that he got a very very bad motherboard. But again, does this confirm that all EVGA 680i's are ram killers? NO!!!!!!!!!

If you wanted to post how this board has sata issues, you would have a much stronger case, seeing as there are many, many more posts and complaints that support that claim, including EVGA responding that nVidia and EVGA are aware of the issue and are working on it.

Your "confirmed" claim has been confirmed by you and maybe 3 other people. Very shakey at best.

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Originally Posted by shawn1998

So 3 of the 4 that failed have been overvolted? What does that do for an RMA? You voided your warranty when you applied too much voltage to the ram sticks.

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Only 1 stick that was overvolted failed but is working at stock speed and timings at 2.2v now. the dead stick wasn't overvolted at all. 2 of my sticks out of the 4 are fine and dandy.

Overvolting G.skill ram does not void your warranty.
From G.skill web site.

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RMA Policy

All G.SKILL memory products are covered under Life time warranty.

RMA Process
Please contact us (by email or fax) for RMA request and please provide following information for RMA request.

1. Invoice Number

2. Invoice Date

3. Description or part number of product

4. Quantity

5. Failure Sympton

* RMA shipping instructions: RMA must be shipped freight prepaid and insured. Replacement items will be shipped back to customer freight prepaid as well.

* Product that proves defective by reason of improper workmanship or materials by G.SKILL is subject to repair or replacement without charge for parts and labor. Product returned within warranty period will be repaired or replaced upon verification and testing of the product.

Warranty Void
No express or implied warranty is made for product if following points meet:

1. Warranty sticker is removed

2. Physically damaged (e.g. racks, missing pins, nurnt contacts, or bent leads)

3. Any unathorized disassembly, repair or modification (includes heatsink)

4. Use thermal paste to make the memory chip print damaged as the photo below

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* Product that proves defective by reason of improper workmanship or materials by G.SKILL is subject to repair or replacement without charge for parts and labor. Product returned within warranty period will be repaired or replaced upon verification and testing of the product.

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So it's G-Skill's fault that you ran it out of spec? Does over-volting fall under the "improper workmanship" or "materials"? Just curious...

I wouldn't advertise the fact that you over-vloted some of the "failed" memory to G-Skill. I think you are reading something into the warranty that's not implied.

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Originally Posted by shawn1998

So it's G-Skill's fault that you ran it out of spec? Does over-volting fall under the "improper workmanship" or "materials"? Just curious...

I wouldn't advertise the fact that you over-vloted some of the "failed" memory to G-Skill. I think you are reading something into the warranty that's not implied.

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here is a quote from gskill help section.

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Originally Posted by kakaroto

It should not be right. If you need voltage for stock speeds that is beyond stock voltages, you should RMA them.
Often they are bad kits.

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=76323

did your sticks die in the same slot

You are completely missing the point. I've read your posts over on the EVGA forums and know a little of the background. You have memory that is rated at 4-4-4-12 2.0-2.1 volts. You ran them at 4-4-4-8 2.3-2.4 volts. Your reasoning wsa because they had the micron D9 chips on them, so you figured that you were well within the warranty to run them at those timings and voltages. I'm happy your DDR2 6400HZ's have micron D9 chips on them, but that doesn't change the fact that you RAN THEN OUT OF SPEC. Get it yet? It doesn't matter what they have on them, it matters what the manufacturer specifications rate them at. You ran them out of spec.

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ok i think i might have found the problem.
I set voltage to 2.3v and 1 of the bad sticks seems to be working so far.
I am testing the stick with orthos blend test. which is using the whole 1GB. i will test for 20 minutes and then i will test the other stick. I think that there seems to be a problem with Vdimm in this P20 beta bios.

I am running the ram at stock speed 4-4-4-8 2.3v

EVGA 680i SLI M/B
C2D X6800
4GB G.Skill 6400HZ
SilverStone 850W ZEUS
8800GTS SLI
2 x 150GB WD Raptors
1 x 74GB WD Raptors
2 x 250GB WD Caviar SE16
2 x pioneer 111D
X-Fi Extreme Music
Logitech Z5500
G7 mouse
22" Proview HDCP

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This is your qoute from the EVGA forums. Your ram is not rated to run at 4-4-4-8 and 2.3 volts. You ran it out of spec. This is a statement of fact taken from your own post.

why would you run this ram stock speed 4-4-4-8 at 2.3v?

I have a pair i can run at 450 at 4-4-4-8 at 2.0

the only thing here is that YOUR mobo, and YOUR setting killed the ram...too many of us have the same mobo and ram with no probs.

So.............. X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE, shawn1998
Should we buy it or not?? Any advice??

-tam2-

Maybe there should be a pinned posting:

WARNING 680 board defects, defuncts and out right lemonade problems!

I'm not kidding, there seems to be quit a few people having issues with this board - scary.:explode2:

If it's true than this is bad :(

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Originally Posted by dinos22

did your sticks die in the same slot

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i think so.

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Originally Posted by shawn1998

You are completely missing the point. I've read your posts over on the EVGA forums and know a little of the background. You have memory that is rated at 4-4-4-12 2.0-2.1 volts. You ran them at 4-4-4-8 2.3-2.4 volts.

This is your qoute from the EVGA forums. Your ram is not rated to run at 4-4-4-8 and 2.3 volts. You ran it out of spec. This is a statement of fact taken from your own post.

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4-4-4-8@2.3v shouldn't be a problem for this ram. I had the same kit running on my P5B-Dlx, same timings, 950mhz and 2.3v... And no problem at all, rock stable!

Well, but acidents appens... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by shawn1998

You are completely missing the point. I've read your posts over on the EVGA forums and know a little of the background. You have memory that is rated at 4-4-4-12 2.0-2.1 volts. You ran them at 4-4-4-8 2.3-2.4 volts. Your reasoning wsa because they had the micron D9 chips on them, so you figured that you were well within the warranty to run them at those timings and voltages. I'm happy your DDR2 6400HZ's have micron D9 chips on them, but that doesn't change the fact that you RAN THEN OUT OF SPEC. Get it yet? It doesn't matter what they have on them, it matters what the manufacturer specifications rate them at. You ran them out of spec.



This is your qoute from the EVGA forums. Your ram is not rated to run at 4-4-4-8 and 2.3 volts. You ran it out of spec. This is a statement of fact taken from your own post.

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g.skill say that overvolt does not void warranty.

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Originally Posted by tam2

So.............. X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE, shawn1998
Should we buy it or not?? Any advice??

-tam2-

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wait for word from evga first.

Now that Asus Striker Extremely Overpriced isn't looking so bad.

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Originally Posted by Omastar

Now that Asus Striker Extremely Overpriced isn't looking so bad.

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it has the sound problem as well.

I don't think running those at 2.3 should kill the ram unless the board becomes destabilized at higher vdimm values.

However, Fugger doesn't seem to have a problem with this board frying ram - just sound issues and overclocking limitations ( that was enough for me to say NO to this board )

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Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE

it has the sound problem as well.

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Sound problem?

That and the SATA issues they are having. I'm building a new C2D system and I went with a BadAxe 2. After spending $1600 on new equipment I really don't want a chance of ANYTHING going south.

FWIW

I have a 2 Ghz Gskill kit in my 680i. It's the 3-4-3-8 5400 kit.

History: I bought them a month or so ago, and my p5w dh wouldn't boot on occasion with these sticks.

During some ram testing on a P5B, I put them in before lowering the mem Voltage, and 1 stick died (or so it seemed)

Fast forward , I tried the one good stick in my 680i and it performed rather well. Put the dead stick in and it worked fine...go figure

I have not done EXTENSIVE testing, but so far between 2 sets of Dominator 8500, a set of team 3-3-3-8 and the 3-4-3-8 Gskills, the gskills run the best.

They were the easiest to get to boot to 481 x 9 or 4.3Ghz, on 2.2 volts.


I am however suspecting some voltage issues with this board, but in my case, it may be Vcore and here's why...

I have a test cpu that I have used in all my boards, to check things out. It is an E6600 A series, and it has run as high as 4.65Ghz, and up to 1.9 volts in attempts to get more speed.

At 1.65 to 1.7 volts, the vapochill normally shows around -41 C on the display. At lower voltages it shows -47 to - 51 and at 1.85 v and up, it shows -36 to -39.

These combos of speed/voltages can be repeated on all of my boards, excpet the 680i. As I type this, it is running at 480 x 9, 1.65v in the bios , but things don't add up.

My vapochill readout is at -50C , which lds me to believe that the cpu is NOT getting as much voltage as the bios reports.

BTW, at the moment, here my single card 3Dm06 score is at 13,778, which isn't too shabby.

The EVGA board I had didn't kill my ram, but the one of the MOSFETS did blow up and started smoking up the room though....

problems here to:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=36

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=38

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=45

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=47

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=49

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&postcount=51

this is my lil saga...:toast:

Well, my G skills HZ Pairs are running on this evga 680i board at 3 3 3 3 @ 2.1volts, 2t though. 1t couldn't pass memtest at any voltage or latency. Point is; to run at what I'm running now it takes 3 other mobos I have(975XBX, AW9D-max, P5B-e plus) at least 2.35vdimms. Heavily suspecting overvoltage on the vdimms on the board. Could be why it's killing the rams.

0,25V Overvoltage is very tough! Maybe someone can check it? I'd like to know if thats a problem of the ReferenceBoards only. Is ANY Manufacturer making his own Design? Till now i've seen only different Cooling solutions and AddonChips(1394,eSATA,blahblah)...

iLL

I have been running this board since release with a pair of Micron based GSkill HZ @ 2.0v and alot higher for benching without ANY issues.

Apart from the broken fan control I have found the board to be very stable and the Bios Solid. Currently running my 6600 at 3.6 with default voltage and its been 100% stable. Great board and IMHO up there with the P5W 64 Pro which was my last board.

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Originally Posted by thephenom

The EVGA board I had didn't kill my ram, but the one of the MOSFETS did blow up and started smoking up the room though....

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wtf!

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Originally Posted by The Asgard

I have been running this board since release with a pair of Micron based GSkill HZ @ 2.0v and alot higher for benching without ANY issues.

Apart from the broken fan control I have found the board to be very stable and the Bios Solid. Currently running my 6600 at 3.6 with default voltage and its been 100% stable. Great board and IMHO up there with the P5W 64 Pro which was my last board.

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Apparently, some of the issues are directly related to SLI - specifically the sound issue.

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Originally Posted by Think

Apparently, some of the issues are directly related to SLI - specifically the sound issue.

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I think thats been fixed with the latest Beta Bios.

http://www.evga.com/community/messag...TOPIC_ID=21597

I've been running my 680i for a week now. It's a BFG but I don't think that matters. I've pushed max voltage (2.5 to my Team Xtreem DDR667 kit in an attempt to run 1200mhz @ 4-4-4-8 and they are still running great, Currently running @ 1000mhz 4-4-4-8 with 2.1v.

The only issue I've had with this board is the Raid Falure message when I'm oc'ed to 3.6 ghz.

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wtf!

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Yep, good thing it didn't kill my X68 or my G80. Then I looked at the board after, one of the mosfets pretty much melted. Got a quick RMA from NCIX though.

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Originally Posted by theteamaqua

to all the 680i users out there:

do u think 680i is buggy now??

cuz i kinda wanna get 1 but after seeing these results ...

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i LOVE my board its great, my ram does 600mhz @ 5-4-4-8 stable all day long.......i dont know how u guys have all these issues, i havnt ran into any issues so far.

Your damn lucky it didn't kill your CPU mate, that was a 50/50 break there!

no issues here.
1111mhz 5-4-4-12 @ 2.25v

if i set the vdimm to 2.4v the board will not boot.
so that there shows me that there is some sort of voltage issue.


but it was said before and i'll say it again.

after the first set, ok the ram maybe bad, after the 2nd set, ok something else is funky here.
but the third set wtf are you retarded, you just keep shoving more ram into the baord.

there isnt any issues with this baord killing ram, its you and maybe 1 or two people, and your overvolting or non overvolting is higher suspect.

now this has also been said many MANY times.
DO NOT INSERT OR REMOVE RAM WHILE THE PSU IS STILL POWERED UP

you MUST unplug or hit the power switch on the psu and then let all the power release from the mobo. easiest way to see this is when the lights on the mobo itself go off.
then you can swap ram.

whenever the psu is powered on, the mobo and all components are still being fed full bore voltages, whatever the bios is set for, event hough the pc isnt powered on the mobo is still juiced up and feeding voltage to the components.
and this WILL kill your ram, its random and doesnt happento everyone, but it can and does and continues to happen.

so think about that

There seems to be a lot of fear and even hysteria in this thread. I have yet to kill any RAM with the eVGA board and I often run the memory voltage at 2.45-2.5v.

The board is a little quirky at times. Sometimes it won't post and will go into safe mode. Re-saving the bios settings often fixes that. Sometimes removing the supposedly defective sticks and booting with another pair, and then re-inserting the first pair, will solve the problem.

I think it is way too early to conclude this board will kill everybody's RAM. There are no guarantees when you overclock. You're always taking a risk. If you don't want to take risks, then don't overclock. Run everything at default.

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Originally Posted by sierra_bound

There seems to be a lot of fear and even hysteria in this thread. I have yet to kill any RAM with the eVGA board and I often run the memory voltage at 2.45-2.5v.

The board is a little quirky at times. Sometimes it won't post and will go into safe mode. Re-saving the bios settings often fixes that. Sometimes removing the supposedly defective sticks and booting with another pair, and then re-inserting the first pair, will solve the problem.

I think it is way too early to conclude this board will kill everybody's RAM. There are no guarantees when you overclock. You're always taking a risk. If you don't want to take risks, then don't overclock. Run everything at default.

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Agreed. :clap:

The only thing confirmed here is that the starter of this thread is jumping to conclusions way too fast.
It's not because some guy killed 10 sticks of ram (probably his fault anyway :fact:) that this motherboard is a ram killer.

I've ran my at 2.4-2.5V many times and have not killed any RAM with the EVGA 680i. I haven't had any problems at all with my 680i. The 680i is a very good motherboard even though the bios isn't mature yet.

shawn what you need to look at is the number of people who own this board but never spend time on forums, and if they have the issue you will never know about it:fact: To you it may sound like a lot of drama, but you do the math on the total of spent ram. When a motherboard is released with a beta bios and followed up by yet another beta bios it should tell you this board was not ready for prime time:fact:

Just because you see some extreme OCing on this MB on this forum by the overclocking legends :fact: :clap: does not make this board good. Sure maybe some boards are good and trouble free but at the price of good ram its not a good way to gamble:fact:

Im at 1500 dollars in ram, two sets being Dominator type, hell thats enough for another computer, so if extreme Ice brings this to the attention of forum members or even a nvidia Rep if they bother to read this forum, then my hats off to him:clap:

So bottom line, if your happy with your 680i and your high end ram is doing well then you should move on shawn.

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It is buggy, yes. I do have a question, though. About how many of these motherboards have been sold and are being used right now? Quite a few. The op quoted 5 posts from other forums, 6 if you include himself. sadcat1 and lopri are not reporting that their 680i killed their ram, so scratch two of the six. So their are 4 people reporting dead ram. Does this make it a confrimed epidemic? Do the math and percentages. It does not. Let's say for argument's sake that only 500 EVGA 680i's were sold and being used. With four people reoprting ram failures, that would put it at .8%. Does that sound like a "confirmed" motherboard defect? Not yet.



So 3 of the 4 that failed have been overvolted? What does that do for an RMA? You voided your warranty when you applied too much voltage to the ram sticks.

posted by sadcat

How many boards and chipsets have ram slots that don't work very well? DFI boards are famous for having to use the orange slots and not the yellow (I used the SLI-DR for a year, so I know this from experience). Does this make it a ram killer? No, even posted by sadcat, one of the persons you tried to use to bear witness to your EVGA 680i SLI board is killing ram. Confirmed!!!
doomsday thread topic.

As far as Dayofpain and his $2000 worth of ruined ram, I feel for him, because that's an aweful lot of money. But good lord, wouldn't you have stopped after maybe the second set of ram stopped working????? To me, it would have been very obvious after the second set of memory failed that their was an issue with the board, but to waste 2 sets of four and an additional set of two sticks is not very wise. Like I said, I really do feel bad for him, but man, common sense should have kicked in at some point, don't you think? As a side note to his particular situation, EVGA rep contacted him directly on Wed to get his mobo issue resolved. It's obvious that he got a very very bad motherboard. But again, does this confirm that all EVGA 680i's are ram killers? NO!!!!!!!!!

If you wanted to post how this board has sata issues, you would have a much stronger case, seeing as there are many, many more posts and complaints that support that claim, including EVGA responding that nVidia and EVGA are aware of the issue and are working on it.

Your "confirmed" claim has been confirmed by you and maybe 3 other people. Very shakey at best.

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Lestat -there isnt any issues with this baord killing ram, its you and maybe 1 or two people, and your overvolting or non overvolting is higher suspect

Im sure glad you cleared that up for us:rolleyes: :clap:


sierra_bound - Run everything at default.

Mine died at default :fact:

Not problem for me

Pi 1mo max 655Mhz (1311) 5/5/5/12 at 2.475v bios on 2x1go Patriot pc 8000 c4

4x512mo Pc 8500 Kingston max 640/650 c5 at 2.425v (not boot at 2.45v)

I test orthers mark soon :)

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sierra_bound - Run everything at default.

Mine died at default :fact:

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Palese, please explain to all of us why many people are not having problems with RAM dying. I'm sorry you have not had much luck with this board. This is not a knock against you, but what really annoys me is when someone has an issue with a board and then generalizes that it must be a universal problem.

Changing ram with the system plugged in can/will destroy the ram, this could be the result of poor handling.

Never remove/install ram with LED's on, parts of the system board are still powered if LED's are on.

If it were possible to fry ram on this board I would have done it 10x over by now but you may have a defective board.

Monitoring ram voltages now, gimme a few days as I need to bench and reboot a bunch to watch for spikes.

Nvidia Monitor will display settings set in bios, not actual.

Heres the basic rules:)
1. Always disabled C1 option in bios..
2. Wait untill all mobo leds off (turned off psu) then you can change
components.
3. Always use insert key when mobo booted back (and monitor stays blank)
after failed oc.

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shawn what you need to look at is the number of people who own this board but never spend time on forums, and if they have the issue you will never know about it To you it may sound like a lot of drama, but you do the math on the total of spent ram. When a motherboard is released with a beta bios and followed up by yet another beta bios it should tell you this board was not ready for prime time

Just because you see some extreme OCing on this MB on this forum by the overclocking legends does not make this board good. Sure maybe some boards are good and trouble free but at the price of good ram its not a good way to gamble

Im at 1500 dollars in ram, two sets being Dominator type, hell thats enough for another computer, so if extreme Ice brings this to the attention of forum members or even a nvidia Rep if they bother to read this forum, then my hats off to him

So bottom line, if your happy with your 680i and your high end ram is doing well then you should move on shawn.

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There is a difference between "bringing it to someone's attention" and declaring that the board is a ram killer. You are the one that wasted how many sticks of ram before realizing that your particular board might be bad? $1500 to figure out you might have a faultyl board? A fool and his money..., well, you know how it goes.
People that have issues are generally the ones posting. You prove the op wrong by even stating that. Their are hundreds upon hundreds of these boards in the wild, but only a few people here and there claiming the board killed their ram. I'm not the only person here saying this, read around. You have issues and I feel for you, but good lord, you should have figured out after the second set went. Common sense, that's all I'm saying.

As a side note, the EVGA rep stated over on the EVGA forums that they have not recieved complaints about ram being killed on this board, with the exception of the few people you have pointed out. So it HAS come to the attention of EVGA and it HAS been addressed. You should post his response here, wait, I'll do it for you:

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No need to worry as this board does not fry memory modules.

This thread is the only report I have seen of this, from the many boards that have been sold. As you can see the 680i is quite a popular board.

As for the original poster, I suspect either bad ram, or a possibly faulty board, also keep in mind that I believe he was overvolting his ram, running his ram at memory voltages higher than what they were intended for.

We have many different types of memory, and run them at different voltages. We run them for days, in various stress tests and have not come across any dead modules either.

Also, my personal memory in my sig has been running great for weeks, at 2.4v.

However, we will continue to test more memory modules for compatibility.

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As posted by EVGA tech JacobF over at EVGA.

Just saying.

i've tested about 10GB of ram in this board so far, ram is not an issue for me.

The ability to actually overclock ram is actually really great.


overclocking my kentfield on the other hand is a totally different story.

Hey what can I run to test my memory too. Im so wiped I had 2 BFG's 2 wouldn't boot the first had the capacitors/resistors all bent too. I asked my friend hey is this normal? should I even try to put it together, he said sure since I had it try so I did and my ram got melting hot too! It wouldn't boot etc. Got my second board from Cusa & noticed the similar resistor type but not so bad...so Ok I installed everything again & no go...then tech support (great by the waY bfg) said rma it but I am worried and wish to just get my MONEY back?? anyways sent it to ups today. Back on my p5b delux wifi pampered bios. After reading all those codes in the 680i handbook I can say that the asus is for a pampered princess for sure lol. It's like Lexus or TANK...well I wanted the power of the tank hmph.

ALSO I have photos of the second board and it has a missing Part number in comparison to the part numbers the EVGA boards had bleep bleep bleep?


Do any other 680 owners have missing part number next to the pcb number is blank!!!!! weird.

Anyway I am glad you did bring it to attention because I worried of my PSU & ram wondering why I couldn't get it to work.

Here is the story as I am too tired to write it over again will copy/paste
Exchanged the board tonight at CompUSA.. they allowed me to swap for another package.

booted with 2 sticks of memory.. and couldn't POST

took one out.. and booted with just 1 stick.. and got BIOS checksum error.

Since I'd seen that error before with the other board I was ready with a floppy disk to flash the BIOS .. I'd downloaded their flash program and new BIOS from bfgtech.com...

with that floppy in the A: drive.. when you get the BIOS checksum error.. it automagically goes to detect the a: drive and when it does tries to launch "AWDFLASH.EXE"

Which it can't find cause it isn't on that floppy I made.. the program on the floppy is NVFLSHSC.exe or something like that and it is called through a flash.bat file found at the bfg site.

So.. I called tech support at BFG.. and after getting the tech straight .. on why it wouldn't flash a new BIOS.. (trying to use AWDFLASH instead of the NVFLSHSC) he put me on hold for about 10-15 minutes... and came back and said RMA that sucker.

That is an error that we should not ever see.. He said it is like someone put a different BIOS on the chip because thier BIOS has an auto flash capability but doesn't use AWDFLASH. So the fact that it was looking for that program is just -wrong-. So he said to send it to him and he'll get me one back that -works-.

Better go back to 975X/p65 board:D ...Easy oc and less headache.

what with all the FREAKING out in this thread...........farking hell guys relax a tad.

it's funny to see Lestat on the NON-freaked out end hahahaha :D

hey Lestat is that the G.Skill HZ RAM that could not do DDR1000 before :)

looks like there a few n00bs about here that can't change components properly hehehehehehehe :p: :)

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Better go back to 975X/p65 board:D ...Easy oc and less headache.

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LOL where's the challenge then hahah

I hope Jacob or others enlighten us with the best memory or compatible memory for the mb then as I haven't found that on the BFG site yet. OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (PC2 6400) ;Rated @ 4-4-4-15;
OCZ OCZ2P800R22GK was what I used and I am curious if anyone got it to run with that I would be ecstatic! :D

OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI PSU Hopefully this psu is compatible too. ALthough I have read a review that the voltages aren't too stable but I don't have any tool to test this out yet.

LOL I haven't read all of the post but for sure I hope my 680i would be the i holy grail!

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Not me:) I stay with N680i...Its fun.
Too many 975X boards for me, gotta change scenery..

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Not me:) I stay with N680i...Its fun.
Too many 975X boards for me, gotta change scenery..

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just as i thought :)

Run it with 1T is fun:D

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3...shot151bg7.jpg

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Run it with 1T is fun:D

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3...shot151bg7.jpg

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surprised there are no benches in 5+GHz for W.R.

i'm sure with a bit of tweaking they will take it down no dramas .........and not to mention RAM seems to clock higher than 975X :)

Not to hijack this thread but....

I am just curious if everyones board has these two numbers in photo one, whereas mine did not have a sticker and was blank showed in the second photo.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/image....BfMl84X2wuanBn

http://static.flickr.com/115/3053916...57befd.jpg?v=0

and doesn't the 680 have the sweetest lil fan! lol

I was was of those "running fine here" guys , that is until today. What has been reported re: the ram is happening to me also now. Although I don't think the ram has been killed. I think the board ha gone wacked. Like one stick works, and one stick doesn't, then all of a suden the reverse, then both sticks work great, then none, all over the place. Once in windows it seems fine no matter what. But when you cold boot, here go the long beeps and have to re-save bios and try the black slots and on and on. voltage, overclocking etc, don't seem to come that much into play with all this crazy behavior. I think it's something on the board going wacky, but I couldn't begin to guess what exactly. I even tried a bios chip from a BFG board abd it behaved exactly the same way. I wonder if the striker has thi sort of flakeyness being reported?? I might give the asus a try to see if it will settle down at least. Thinng is, (and I was warned about this) all was well for a few weeks then bam! Oh well, it goes with the territory I guess. Expensive territory at that.

Mines blank too.

If you have corsair you can check out compatibility the lazy/unenlightened/careful? way! not that this is a memory thread but....

http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair...or_search.html
http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair...h_results.html

and some expert here suggested http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/

or pester xs people

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There is a difference between "bringing it to someone's attention" and declaring that the board is a ram killer. You are the one that wasted how many sticks of ram before realizing that your particular board might be bad? $1500 to figure out you might have a faultyl board? A fool and his money..., well, you know how it goes.
People that have issues are generally the ones posting. You prove the op wrong by even stating that. Their are hundreds upon hundreds of these boards in the wild, but only a few people here and there claiming the board killed their ram. I'm not the only person here saying this, read around. You have issues and I feel for you, but good lord, you should have figured out after the second set went. Common sense, that's all I'm saying.

As a side note, the EVGA rep stated over on the EVGA forums that they have not recieved complaints about ram being killed on this board, with the exception of the few people you have pointed out. So it HAS come to the attention of EVGA and it HAS been addressed. You should post his response here, wait, I'll do it for you:


As posted by EVGA tech JacobF over at EVGA.

Just saying.

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Well I guess you want to turn this into a mud slinging match:rolleyes: I never said I went through 1500 dollars worth of ram genius, I lost a stick of C3DF at default with no OC and yes the power was off and the plug pulled out, I am now using C5D until I get the replacement C3DF as I use my PC for work as well. I also own a set of Mushkin XP2 6400, its fine in other PC's just not this one.

So no I have not killed 1500 in ram and where the hell did I call this MB a ram killer?

Anyways I replaced the Evga tonight with another one and the only difference is that its branded BFG, my IDE does not see my DVD on this one :)

too too many issues

This is the worst MoBo on the market ... i have tons of problems ... its time to P5W DH again!

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I got it from your post, genius.

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Perhaps its just broken?

Just a thought.

For those brainless enough to think that living is about talking politics, [i.e rationalising], here’s a lesson in truth. {And just because you see everybody, in and out of politics rationalising, doesn’t mean it is normal}. Truth is not about BS, debates, showing-off, comparing organ sizes, alwaying being right, etc. Truth is what it is. Did this mobo killed ram. Did it or didn’t it. Does it have to be a “full-time” ram killer to justify this fact for those experiencing the situation. If so, don’t learn to be a pimp just because you feel obliged, ingratiated or for whatever reason, the need to side with anyone. All people are after, is information. Of course, some might have other agendas but the fact is all it should be. Now, if a vested interest wants to “quieten-down” the situation because they feel that people are always in a state of perpetual panic, that is another matter for their PR people, latent pimps included. For others, who can decide from what is being presented, they can make up their minds – for themselves.

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For those brainless enough to think that living is about talking politics, [i.e rationalising], here’s a lesson in truth. {And just because you see everybody, in and out of politics rationalising, doesn’t mean it is normal}. Truth is not about BS, debates, showing-off, comparing organ sizes, alwaying being right, etc. Truth is what it is. Did this mobo killed ram. Did it or didn’t it. Does it have to be a “full-time” ram killer to justify this fact for those experiencing the situation. If so, don’t learn to be a pimp just because you feel obliged, ingratiated or for whatever reason, the need to side with anyone. All people are after, is information. Of course, some might have other agendas but the fact is all it should be. Now, if a vested interest wants to “quieten-down” the situation because they feel that people are always in a state of perpetual panic, that is another matter for their PR people, latent pimps included. For others, who can decide from what is being presented, they can make up their minds – for themselves.

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I think people are getting a little too uptight. Yes, there are problems with some boards, although we don't know how widespread. I don't think the philisophical ramifications of how certain posters have posted need be discussed in the thread :p:. I'm sure that this will be solved soon enough; nVidia will either fix this via a bios update or replace the board. There is way too much riding on these boards to let this fester. Besides, people having paid $400 for these boards are more likely to be banging on their backdoor pretty fast :D .

Ok 2 more sticks are going bad now making it a total of 4 sticks = $1100

The 2 sticks that are in my computer right now were running fine for about 24 hours with 2.1v, early yesterday i had to up it to 2.2v because windows was starting to freeze. This memory has never seen more than 2.1v until yesterday.

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Ok 2 more sticks are going bad now making it a total of 4 sticks = $1100

The 2 sticks that are in my computer right now were running fine for about 24 hours with 2.1v, early yesterday i had to up it to 2.2v because windows was starting to freeze. This memory has never seen more than 2.1v until yesterday.

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Why do you keep putting RAM in a board that might be bad? That's not very smart.

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Why do you keep putting RAM in a board that might be bad? That's not very smart.

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yeah if the board is so bad why do you keep using it?just go back to the one you were you before that gave you less problems for and wait for a better board like i'm doing.makes sense right?

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yeah if the board is so bad why do you keep using it?just go back to the one you were you before that gave you less problems for and wait for a better board like i'm doing.makes sense right?

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My board is fine. Same is true with a lot of other people. If you've just come here to troll, you picked the wrong forum. And why do I think that you don't even own this board.

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My board is fine. Same is true with a lot of other people. If you've just come here to troll, you picked the wrong forum. And why do I think that you don't even own this board.

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i oredered the board was following threads of people with it so when i found someone saying things about ram issue and on the evga forum i decided to go with asus deluxe with lesser problems so i still keep following threads with it till it's resolved does that make me a troll?

Well first off, you misunderstood my comment to the thread starter. It always helps to comprehend a post before responding to it. I was suggesting that his board was bad. Does that make sense to you? If he suspected his board was killing his RAM, why would he put another set in? That's not very bright in my book. But hey, that's just me.

my condolences go out to your wallet.

Although most things are possible in this technology field it is fairly rare to see a mainboard "kill" ram, but don't get me wrong it is possible although I think quite unlikely. I think more likely a bad board or possibly maybe just very very unlucky ram modules? Regardless I would hope everyone is wise enough to run a new board a defaults with the ram at defaults with memtest for as long as they feel comfortable to test components.

While I am always anxious to test overclocks and see what my system will do I always test at defaults especially with ram and video cards, in fact I don't even plan to OC my 8800 GTX SLI cards for a while if at all and yes 2560x1600 4xAA, 16xAF, SupertransAA would benefit from some overclocking.

I wouldn't feel concerned for the wallet, Corsair and other top manufacturers WILL definately RMA and replace those defective modules and in my case I'd replace that board without even thinking twice about it.

Noob + Overclocker Board = alot of dead parts

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i oredered the board was following threads of people with it so when i found someone saying things about ram issue and on the evga forum i decided to go with asus deluxe with lesser problems so i still keep following threads with it till it's resolved does that make me a troll?

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Babsy we can't all be cowboy pioneers with new technology, I don't blame you for waiting but for me it is a feeling of excitement testing the latest and greatest. Sure I pay for it but I also don't go on expensive family vacations all over the country or world or spend my money at bars or clubs either. When I spend this money though I am comforted in my decisions and go with companies that I'm really sure will take care of my purchase, at the worst case scenario I'm out my time and efforts and return the products and use what I had before.

In fact I'm still working on my new build where I'm not even joined to my domain, no office 2003 installed and only stress test, benching apps and BF2142 installed. This way if I corrupt my OS or whatever happens my data is safely unchanged and on my backup drive.

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what really annoys me is when someone has an issue with a board and then generalizes that it must be a universal problem.

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I couldn't agree more. And this hysteria happens time after time after time on just about every "hot" peice of hardware that comes along.

Once a product hits it big, everyone and their mother jumps onboard, a fractional percentage of those folks have the usual problems, and then threads about killer mobos start up.

Same circus, different clowns.

I'm sorry to see a few folks lose their ram. I really am. That's for sure. But that's about where I draw the line. I simply do not see enough reports to draw any type of generalized conclusion (unlike the sound and sata issues which were obvious by the number of reports, and fairly easy to reproduce as well).

Just FYI to add food for thought here, I took my gaming box and a new game server (both based on the evga 680i) to a LAN party yesterday. The server ran for 20 hours non stop loaded without a single reboot (e6700 @ 3.2ghz, 2g ram at 1000mhz @ 2.1v, 7800GTX). My gaming rig ran about the same amount of time, mostly under load as well (x6800 @ 3.8ghz, 2g ram at 1000 @ 2.1v, 2 8800GTS in SLI). Both systems were rock solid with fairly decent overclocks. Although I am aware 2 systems don't mean squat statiscally speaking, it is a testament to the stability of the board. For whatever that's worth.

K8N Neo2, ATI RDX200, DFI Expert and now 680i:)....Always:toast:

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K8N Neo2, ATI RDX200, DFI Expert and now 680i

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LOL....this is the same list of mobos I was thinking of :)

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Why do you keep putting RAM in a board that might be bad? That's not very smart.

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Well every one said that there is nothing wrong with the board!!!

I have removed the board from my system and replaced it with a DQ6 motherbard. and the 2 sticks that still work with 2.3v are working fine now in the DQ6 at 2.0v.

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Well every one said that there is nothing wrong with the board!!!

I have removed the board from my system and replaced it with a DQ6 motherbard. and the 2 sticks that still work with 2.3v are working fine now in the DQ6 at 2.0v.

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My computer has now been running for over 3 hours without any hiccups, and 3dscores are almost the same.

still suxs that i have to RmA the 680i board and 2 kits of G.Skill 6400HZ

Why would the 680i be any different to nearly ALL previous nVidia chipsets/boards soon after launch, if you buy the first revision with a beta bios and things start to die then you should'nt whinge too much about it

Just notify others of your loss and accept thats what can possibly happen with most new release high end boards the last couple of years, even Intels 975X boards had some problems

Maybe thats not the way it should be in an ideal world but if they (intel/nvidia etc) waited until the boards/bios were certified as being perfect we would still be waiting for the 975X to be released

Happy for you as well, I hope your rma goes well, and you get a decent board, and maybe it will take long enough for nvidia to get off their collective asses and give us a decent bios, and drivers for our 8800's

I was really going to try an Evga 680i board and since I am not using SLi it seemed kinda pointless. I almost did anyway and I am not crazy about Foxconn or the caps on the back of the board. I know I could pad that area and I'd still be paranoid about crushing them with the Tuniq's back support plate.

My ram is actually capable of 1150 on a 1333 strap and that's not an option on this Abit board. I miss that.

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I was really going to try an Evga 680i board and since I am not using SLi it seemed kinda pointless. I almost did anyway and I am not crazy about Foxconn or the caps on the back of the board. I know I could pad that area and I'd still be paranoid about crushing them with the Tuniq's back support plate.

My ram is actually capable of 1150 on a 1333 strap and that's not an option on this Abit board. I miss that.

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Well with all the trouble I have had with 680i, I am now on my second one :) I can say the Tuniq's back support plate fits just fine:fact: But I do understand the concern.

Good on ya for reporting that the 680i is killing ram ExtremeIce but maybe you should consider changing the title to My EVGA 680i is killing MY ram rather than announcing a false statement.

Many here (inc myself) have had no such problems, dare I say the vast majority of people havn't had the problems you suggest. As previously stated why keep throwing good money after bad. It could be the 680 thats killing your ram, it could be a faulty voltage regulator on your board it could be a number of things but the first port of call would be to RMA the board imo rather than posting a misleading thread.

For those who are mere chickens when it comes to talking straight, say what you mean and not learn to use or hide behind words like philosphical, religions, etc. This is what the mass media has slyly taught people, to talk bent as if their playing with words is so hip or worshipfully great. There are no shades of grey, only in the minds of chickens or budding ones. That is called politics. The fact is not how problems will be solved in the future [talking like a politician] but what are the problems now such that these problems can then be tracked and SEEN to be monitored. Ever heard of a place called Iraq or Greed….

Fashion is [usually] selling rubbish for fashion is about elevating perceived values to the heights that the dumbed-down can tolerate but usually gives little but dreams in return. Ever heard the politicos talking about this fact? No? So, even the dumb ones have some sense left, inspite of talking [or learning to talk] like a politician. For those defiant bent talkers, know that stealing is taking others property and giving little or nothing in return. This is called black or white not black & white for the latter uses fashion [whaterever the fashion may be] to cloud issues and all the science of gymnastic talking will not change anything other than exposing those who talk bent. Just because this is a techie forum [really?] doesn’t mean common sense should be abandoned or latent pimps be allowed to roam free.

When you buy something, there is no need to worship or praise for when the product satisfies, it has merely fulfilled it's asking price. Fashion is about worshipping, not common sense. If you chose to abaondon yours, don't drag others into it. Like those halleluja boys & gals. Drumming up support for madness [which mobo cost is spiraling towards] is manipulating idiots to convert the undecided masses. Comprehend fully that just because 99 patrons do not have a fly in their soup doesn't mean the one who had should be undermined. Especially when the soup is the Great Golden Variety and cost accordingly.

I'm confused. Am I an itiot or undecided?

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For those who are mere chickens when it comes to talking straight, say what you mean and not learn to use or hide behind words like philosphical, religions, etc. This is what the mass media has slyly taught people, to talk bent as if their playing with words is so hip or worshipfully great. There are no shades of grey, only in the minds of chickens or budding ones. That is called politics. The fact is not how problems will be solved in the future [talking like a politician] but what are the problems now such that these problems can then be tracked and SEEN to be monitored. Ever heard of a place called Iraq or Greed….

Fashion is [usually] selling rubbish for fashion is about elevating perceived values to the heights that the dumbed-down can tolerate but usually gives little but dreams in return. Ever heard the politicos talking about this fact? No? So, even the dumb ones have some sense left, inspite of talking [or learning to talk] like a politician. For those defiant bent talkers, know that stealing is taking others property and giving little or nothing in return. This is called black or white not black & white for the latter uses fashion [whaterever the fashion may be] to cloud issues and all the science of gymnastic talking will not change anything other than exposing those who talk bent. Just because this is a techie forum [really?] doesn’t mean common sense should be abandoned or latent pimps be allowed to roam free.

When you buy something, there is no need to worship or praise for when the product satisfies, it has merely fulfilled it's asking price. Fashion is about worshipping, not common sense. If you chose to abaondon yours, don't drag others into it. Like those halleluja boys & gals. Drumming up support for madness [which mobo cost is spiraling towards] is manipulating idiots to convert the undecided masses. Comprehend fully that just because 99 patrons do not have a fly in their soup doesn't mean the one who had should be undermined. Especially when the soup is the Great Golden Variety and cost accordingly.

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I think your in the wrong forum m8 :D

You have totally lost me, LOL.

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, but one of the OCZ techs did mention that removing DDR2 modues from the slots with the power to the mainboard ON, MAY kill it. Probably the OP did this a number of times to swing the probabilities towards death.

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For those who are mere chickens when it comes to talking straight, say what you mean and not learn to use or hide behind words like philosphical, religions, etc. This is what the mass media has slyly taught people, to talk bent as if their playing with words is so hip or worshipfully great. There are no shades of grey, only in the minds of chickens or budding ones. That is called politics. The fact is not how problems will be solved in the future [talking like a politician] but what are the problems now such that these problems can then be tracked and SEEN to be monitored. Ever heard of a place called Iraq or Greed….

Fashion is [usually] selling rubbish for fashion is about elevating perceived values to the heights that the dumbed-down can tolerate but usually gives little but dreams in return. Ever heard the politicos talking about this fact? No? So, even the dumb ones have some sense left, inspite of talking [or learning to talk] like a politician. For those defiant bent talkers, know that stealing is taking others property and giving little or nothing in return. This is called black or white not black & white for the latter uses fashion [whaterever the fashion may be] to cloud issues and all the science of gymnastic talking will not change anything other than exposing those who talk bent. Just because this is a techie forum [really?] doesn’t mean common sense should be abandoned or latent pimps be allowed to roam free.

When you buy something, there is no need to worship or praise for when the product satisfies, it has merely fulfilled it's asking price. Fashion is about worshipping, not common sense. If you chose to abaondon yours, don't drag others into it. Like those halleluja boys & gals. Drumming up support for madness [which mobo cost is spiraling towards] is manipulating idiots to convert the undecided masses. Comprehend fully that just because 99 patrons do not have a fly in their soup doesn't mean the one who had should be undermined. Especially when the soup is the Great Golden Variety and cost accordingly.

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Aw man, I havnt posted in yada, but what is your post abt? Think u should be posting somewhere else, I aint reading these forums to find solutions to the ills of society and i dont think anybody else is :)

Sorry for off topic, i will shut up now and crawl back to the dark

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I think your in the wrong forum m8 :D

You have totally lost me, LOL.

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he's from

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