Corsair Dominator 9136 Preview.

This is just a preview post.
a full review is in the works and will be here on XS soon.
I've seen alot of curiousity about the 9136, so I thought some people might be interested in alittle OC action from it.

first off, the actual Ram.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1164072084

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1164072084

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1164072084

As you can see, the ram has 2 actual layers to the heatspreader.
the heatspreader is epoxied to the ram itself, so no thermal pads.
this makes the ram run cooler, with less to interfere with the disipation of heat from the IC's.

this ram is not the highest end ram from Corsair, that place is reserved for the Dominator 8888, which is rated at cas 4-4-4 at 1111 mhz.
this ram is rated at cas 5-5-5 at 1140 mhz, but is also about $200 cheaper.

the dominator 8888 comes with a cool little ram cooling fan.
the 9136 does not.
so you will need to find a way to cool the ram yourself, if you want active cooling on the ram.

Hardware Used.

Asus P5B Deluxe and P5N32-E SLI.
620 watt Corsair PSU.
X1950 XTXs in Crossfire.
2x 150 gig raptors + 400 gig slave drive.
Creative Xfi.

Initial Impressions.

I had the 8888 for a few days, and the 9136 is pretty much the same as far as initial impressions.
it's a solid piece of hardware and its rather light.

OC's.

on the P5B Deluxe, I got 1180 mhz stable out of it at cas 5-4-4-10 at 2.35 volts.

on the Asus 680i... its a drastically different story.
1300 mhz easy, and can boot up every single time at 1400 mhz... will never make it into windows, but will boot every single time at 1400 mhz.
highest speed I made it into windows... 1360 mhz cas 6-6-5-12.
unstable... but I was impressed.
that was at 2.65 volts.

the Dominator 9136 is meant to be used with the Nvidia 680i Chipset, and is not garaunteed to reach its rated speed on any other chipset, including the Intel 965 and 975 boards.

I used that board initially, to see if the ram would atleast do that speed and it does just fine, and it is stable at 1140 mhz on the P5B Deluxe.
this however, does not mean it is garaunteed to work at those speeds on that board. remember, this ram is meant to be used on the 680i chipset.

Nice preview Kunaak. Looks like a great performer, even for non-680i.


Offtopic: Given the large differences in ram oc's on 965/975 vs 680i, I would be extremely interested to see a comparison between 965 at max ram oc and cpu freq and 680i at max ram oc and equal cpu freq and see how much of a difference the extra bandwidth and/or lower latency makes between the two chipsets.

Everyone still says 965 is the chipset to have if your on single card, but I'm starting to question that now that these monster ram oc's are showing up on the 680i. A comparison like the one I've suggestion would give some clarity.

Some fine looking sticks, no doubt. I haven't seen Corsair's unique heatspreader up close before, very interesting design.

I have Corsair 8500C5D now, but this 9136 RAM make me to think... Maybe i will buy it as soon as possible...

Kunaak, how much diffrence between the pc8888 and this one ? is it worth the extra $200, i've been looking for the PC8888 but seems that no one has them in stock, If the diffrence isnt to gr8 i just might give those a try. Or should i just wait for the pc8888 to show up some where?

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Originally Posted by Vett95wLT4

Kunaak, how much diffrence between the pc8888 and this one ? is it worth the extra $200, i've been looking for the PC8888 but seems that no one has them in stock, If the diffrence isnt to gr8 i just might give those a try. Or should i just wait for the pc8888 to show up some where?

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it's likely that this won't be available anywhere either always "backstock" "pre-order" "auto-notify"

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Originally Posted by Vett95wLT4

Kunaak, how much diffrence between the pc8888 and this one ? is it worth the extra $200, i've been looking for the PC8888 but seems that no one has them in stock, If the diffrence isnt to gr8 i just might give those a try. Or should i just wait for the pc8888 to show up some where?

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We are an IT / reseller company but don't really build PCs / servers anymore but still have some accounts at Tech Data, Synnex etc. I tried for hours today searching the net and our distributors, the egg shows availability on 8888C4DF as 1/14/2007. Just crazy.

Difference in price wasn't $200 for me today it was $142.00. What swayed me to get 9136 (just confirmed order about 45 min ago) was that I got an in stock alert email and was shocked to see it available. The 6400C3DF was there and the 9136C5D also in stock. As of that time they had 14 sets of 9136C5D and 17 sets of 6400C3DF.

It is probably against forum to mention the place that has them but it is one of Corsair's premier online retailers obviously not the egg place.

the PC8888 I had, were just on loan from a friend, and I didnt have them for too long.

the 8888 had no troubles with cas 4 overclocking, while the 9136 seem to do better with cas 5-4-4 overclocking. they do cas 4 just fine, but with more voltage then I care to use daily.
you pay alot more for the 8888, but you get a garuanteed speed with them too at cas 4.

dont why we cant say where they are , e1 else does.lol ZZ has w/ free shipping

why would it be against the rules to tell ppl where to buy good memory? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Dredd

why would it be against the rules to tell ppl where to buy good memory? :confused:

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Forums rules about some advertising or displaying other sites, just didn't want to break any rules as I wasn't positive.

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Originally Posted by pentium777

Forums rules about some advertising or displaying other sites, just didn't want to break any rules as I wasn't positive.

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It's only advertising if you're purpiose is to promote another site, but that's my interpretation.

In the General memory forum people were listing retailers for memory. The crucial 10th anniversary comes to mind.

Back on topic...why would these not do cas4 as well as the 8888 part? does that mean that the 8888 part is a better binning?

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Originally Posted by Dredd

It's only advertising if you're purpiose is to promote another site, but that's my interpretation.

In the General memory forum people were listing retailers for memory. The crucial 10th anniversary comes to mind.

Back on topic...why would these not do cas4 as well as the 8888 part? does that mean that the 8888 part is a better binning?

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From what I read the 6400C3 is very very rare (according to Corsair Rep in forum) and the 8888C4 is twice as rare as the 6400C3 stuff. He didn't list how difficult the 9136C5D were to bin out though so I'm wondering, however the price of 6400C3 (which seems to clock similar to 8888C4) is only about $10 more than the 9136C5D that is if you subtract the dominator airflow fan which the 6400C3DF comes with and the 9136C5D comes w/o it. It seems to me overall system performance is increased especially 3d gaming by higher ram speeds vs tighter timings

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Originally Posted by pentium777

From what I read the 6400C3 is very very rare (according to Corsair Rep in forum) and the 8888C4 is twice as rare as the 6400C3 stuff. He didn't list how difficult the 9136C5D were to bin out though so I'm wondering, however the price of 6400C3 (which seems to clock similar to 8888C4) is only about $10 more than the 9136C5D that is if you subtract the dominator airflow fan which the 6400C3DF comes with and the 9136C5D comes w/o it. It seems to me overall system performance is increased especially 3d gaming by higher ram speeds vs tighter timings

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I have a dominator airflow fan on the way to put on my current memory. It looks like a good cooling solution for people who aren't very handy in fabricating something much like myself.

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Originally Posted by Kunaak

the PC8888 I had, were just on loan from a friend, and I didnt have them for too long.

the 8888 had no troubles with cas 4 overclocking, while the 9136 seem to do better with cas 5-4-4 overclocking. they do cas 4 just fine, but with more voltage then I care to use daily.
you pay alot more for the 8888, but you get a garuanteed speed with them too at cas 4.

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Can you upload your SPD with Wizzard's SPDtool to see differences between 9136 and normal dominator series, maybe it would clear this mystery with cas4 overclocking;)

Kunaak, if u still have 8888 RAM please upload their SPD also with 9136 if that is not a problem... I want just to compare what are diffrerent with my ram...

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Originally Posted by Dredd

I have a dominator airflow fan on the way to put on my current memory. It looks like a good cooling solution for people who aren't very handy in fabricating something much like myself.

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Thanks for choosing our products. Let me know how you like it or if there are any improvements you think would be nice.

For those wonderng, we recently shipped our 10,000th Dominator module. So those saying that Dominator is vaporware, well, I guess there are 10,000 customers who disagree. Heh. :)

I will say that the 9136, 8888, and 6400C3 are hard to make. But we're making them daily. Just not as many as the 6400C4 or 8500C5s.

when I had the Dominators Fan, I was extremely impressed with it.
it's using a few 40mm... maybe 50mm fans... not too sure.
but it moves a decent amount of air, yet you would really have to stress your ears to really hear them in action, cause they are really quiet.

I always perfer to active cool just about anything I am putting extra voltages too, while I usually have a 120mm fan for my bench PC.
I do have a regular PC as well, that is in a case, and I do have a limited amount of space inside a real case, but I always try to still cool my ram any way I can.
I like the dominator fan for that kinda situation.
so I am looking to get another one.

you dont need to be a noob, for a simple little gadget like a good ram cooler to be useful to you.
I dont consider myself anywhere in the area of a noob, but I still like a good gadget when I see one.

if I had a improvement to make to that ram cooler, it would be to add adjustable fans to it, with 3 settings, low, medium and high.

theres been other ram coolers out in the last year or two, but they all kinda come off as flimsy, or corny. LEDs, and shaped like animals and clear blue, with weak fans and a poor design that cools between the ram, but not the outside as well....

Corsairs Dominator fan, and now OCZ's upcoming fan cooler, both show, when somethings designed well, and not made for a 14 year old kids lan party pc, it will get some real attention from overclockers too.

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Originally Posted by Redbeard

Thanks for choosing our products. Let me know how you like it or if there are any improvements you think would be nice.

For those wonderng, we recently shipped our 10,000th Dominator module. So those saying that Dominator is vaporware, well, I guess there are 10,000 customers who disagree. Heh. :)

I will say that the 9136, 8888, and 6400C3 are hard to make. But we're making them daily. Just not as many as the 6400C4 or 8500C5s.

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I just returned the 8500C5D and ordered the 6400C3DF as this is the ram I have been waiting for ever for.

As for people calling the Dominator vaporware you really can't blame them, and what makes it even worst is when Corsair introduces a new ram part like the 9136 but can not even get the previous ram parts to market. :fact:

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Originally Posted by palese

I just returned the 8500C5D and ordered the 6400C3DF as this is the ram I have been waiting for ever for.

As for people calling the Dominator vaporware you really can't blame them, and what makes it even worst is when Corsair introduces a new ram part like the 9136 but can not even get the previous ram parts to market. :fact:

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I won't be making excuses, we're making this stuff as fast as we can. But to be fair, there's only so much we can do.

For argument's sake, let's say that we identify an IC that can do 1333 MHz at Cas4. Incredible performance.

However, let's say due to manufacturing issues and availability of the IC, we can only make 40 modules a day. So now we have a dilemma.

Do we launch the (FICTIONAL) TWIN2X2048-10667C4DF even though we can only make about 200-300 units a week?

Or do we decide that it's not worth doing it because people can't buy it easily?

We choose the third path, which is to launch it, build as many as possible, and then hunt down every damned IC we can find that will do it.

You should see our RAM screening process, it's very thorough and takes a lot of time, and depending on the lot we get from Micron, the yield of certain high-end parts can be anywhere between 10% and 0%.

We've never, ever put out a press release of a product that we don't have for sale, as far as I know. Any product we've ever announced has been out for sale.

Some of them are hard to find, but that's due to their popularity.

Don't get me wrong, I know it's frustrating, but the parts exist, and they are hitting online retailers constantly.

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Originally Posted by Redbeard

I won't be making excuses, we're making this stuff as fast as we can. But to be fair, there's only so much we can do.

For argument's sake, let's say that we identify an IC that can do 1333 MHz at Cas4. Incredible performance.

However, let's say due to manufacturing issues and availability of the IC, we can only make 40 modules a day. So now we have a dilemma.

Do we launch the (FICTIONAL) TWIN2X2048-10667C4DF even though we can only make about 200-300 units a week?

Or do we decide that it's not worth doing it because people can't buy it easily?

We choose the third path, which is to launch it, build as many as possible, and then hunt down every damned IC we can find that will do it.

You should see our RAM screening process, it's very thorough and takes a lot of time, and depending on the lot we get from Micron, the yield of certain high-end parts can be anywhere between 10% and 0%.

We've never, ever put out a press release of a product that we don't have for sale, as far as I know. Any product we've ever announced has been out for sale.

Some of them are hard to find, but that's due to their popularity.

Don't get me wrong, I know it's frustrating, but the parts exist, and they are hitting online retailers constantly.

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I do believe these statements because honestly the parts aren't cheap and there is a reason for it, I did my homework and I can't find any other ram manufacturer that is close to having these timings and speeds, not even close. I find it ironic that Crucial (who is owned by Micron or a subsidiary) doesn't even have close to the speed / timings that Corsair has.

The fact that I've never had a bad piece of Corsair ram but a few bad pieces from other people leads me to believe they have a very good screening process.

Facts are what company that stands to make profits on selling merchandise holds out on them (besides gaming consoles for publicity)

I am very excited to receive my 9136C5D tomorrow just in time for the holidays and can't wait to see how it does in my 680i, if indeed it was designed around that chipset I'll be very happy to see DDR2-1200+

man, the way some people act, you'd think they could just whip out 1100 mhz ram by the million....

if IC's capable of this speed were common, wouldn't every company have a set of 1100+ Mhz ram out by now?

ram of this kind, takes alot of bin time, alot of testing to find.
no ones got a huge hoard of 1100 mhz ram just sitting around.
to make this speed for ram, takes some time and effort.

if it were easy, every company would have it out by now and it would be cheap, just like 3 years ago, no one had 800 mhz ram, but now, thats old news.

sure, eventually there will be lots of companies out with some new great high speed ram, but for now, this kinda ram isn't exactly made by the million.... so dont get all pissed off if you miss a shipment or two.

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Originally Posted by Redbeard

Thanks for choosing our products. Let me know how you like it or if there are any improvements you think would be nice.

For those wonderng, we recently shipped our 10,000th Dominator module. So those saying that Dominator is vaporware, well, I guess there are 10,000 customers who disagree. Heh. :)

I will say that the 9136, 8888, and 6400C3 are hard to make. But we're making them daily. Just not as many as the 6400C4 or 8500C5s.

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Shipped =/= sold

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Originally Posted by Kunaak

man, the way some people act, you'd think they could just whip out 1100 mhz ram by the million....

if IC's capable of this speed were common, wouldn't every company have a set of 1100+ Mhz ram out by now?

ram of this kind, takes alot of bin time, alot of testing to find.
no ones got a huge hoard of 1100 mhz ram just sitting around.
to make this speed for ram, takes some time and effort.

if it were easy, every company would have it out by now and it would be cheap, just like 3 years ago, no one had 800 mhz ram, but now, thats old news.

sure, eventually there will be lots of companies out with some new great high speed ram, but for now, this kinda ram isn't exactly made by the million.... so dont get all pissed off if you miss a shipment or two.

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I have been monitoring newegg's stock of the 8888 part through auto notiy and I check every day. It's been months since I have seen it there. I am not going to buy it because I can't see spending that much on memory, but the fact that one of the largest online retailers of computer hardware and parts can't get it for that long says something to me.

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I have been monitoring newegg's stock of the 8888 part through auto notiy and I check every day. It's been months since I have seen it there. I am not going to buy it because I can't see spending that much on memory, but the fact that one of the largest online retailers of computer hardware and parts can't get it for that long says something to me.

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well your right... it should say something to you.

look somewhere else.

over 10,000 of these have been shipped somewhere and regularly sell out....
someones bought them somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Kunaak

well your right... it should say something to you.

look somewhere else.

over 10,000 of these have been shipped somewhere and regularly sell out....
someones bought them somewhere.

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uh huh...

the number of units shipped does not mean they're all sold. It's just like Sony or microsoft comming up with magical numbers of "console units shipped".

I don't really care one way or the other, but all the big online retailers that have good shipping prices and people know...can't get it. Explain that

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uh huh...

the number of units shipped does not mean they're all sold. It's just like Sony or microsoft comming up with magical numbers of "console units shipped".

I don't really care one way or the other, but all the big online retailers that have good shipping prices and people know...can't get it. Explain that

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if you can't find it somewhere, look somewhere else.
whats so hard to understand about that?

some people have thier dominator ram, where do you think they get it?
some one bought it somewhere.
I dont get whats so hard about that concept...

and your right, shipped units does not mean all sold...

which again, is exactly why I said, if you cant find it somewhere, look somewhere else.

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Shipped =/= sold

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It does when everywhere we shipped them to has sold out of them almost instantly.

I'm not trying to be smarmy, but what do you think is happening?

Do you think we released a part where we can only make like 5 of them? What possible benefit would that be for us? Hype for an unreleased product? Other companies have done this (Duke Nukem Forever, Starcraft: Ghost, the Phantom Game Console) and the community looks at those products as a joke now. Ghost was even cancelled.

I'm sorry you're having difficulty finding them, I really am, but dude, they're selling. They're online at other retailers occasionally, I know this for a fact. Newegg has sold them. ZipZoomFly has sold them. A bunch of European stores have sold them.

If you have problems with an online store not stocking them frequently enough, email the store and tell them to order more of them. I'm on your side

You want to buy our product, I want to sell you our product. We don't sell direct, so the only way to do it is through retailers. If Newegg orders 10 kits and sells out in 5 minutes, how is that our fault?

I'm not saying that's what's happening, but you have to give us the benefit of the doubt here. We're making them, selling them, and shipping them. They're in the hands of people on this very forum that bought them from those sites.

Are they hard to find? Yes. But so are PS3s and Wiis.

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It does when everywhere we shipped them to has sold out of them almost instantly.

I'm not trying to be smarmy, but what do you think is happening?

Do you think we released a part where we can only make like 5 of them? What possible benefit would that be for us? Hype for an unreleased product? Other companies have done this (Duke Nukem Forever, Starcraft: Ghost, the Phantom Game Console) and the community looks at those products as a joke now. Ghost was even cancelled.

I'm sorry you're having difficulty finding them, I really am, but dude, they're selling. They're online at other retailers occasionally, I know this for a fact. Newegg has sold them. ZipZoomFly has sold them. A bunch of European stores have sold them.

If you have problems with an online store not stocking them frequently enough, email the store and tell them to order more of them. I'm on your side

You want to buy our product, I want to sell you our product. We don't sell direct, so the only way to do it is through retailers. If Newegg orders 10 kits and sells out in 5 minutes, how is that our fault?

I'm not saying that's what's happening, but you have to give us the benefit of the doubt here. We're making them, selling them, and shipping them. They're in the hands of people on this very forum that bought them from those sites.

Are they hard to find? Yes. But so are PS3s and Wiis.

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ZipZoom had 9136 I think 20 sets of them yesterday, I watched last night and through today, finally around 4pm they were all sold, the 6400C3DF part is really good and as of around 5:30pm they still have stock. In fact there appear to be around 14 units still for sale. From what I've been told 6400C3 is 2nd hardest to make only to the 8888C4. From third party sites the older 6400C3 (before dominator DHX) would clock up to 1100 4-4-4-12 and 1130 5-5-5-15 but with DHX addition I would expect them to do even better plus the fan is included.

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It does when everywhere we shipped them to has sold out of them almost instantly.

I'm not trying to be smarmy, but what do you think is happening?

Do you think we released a part where we can only make like 5 of them? What possible benefit would that be for us? Hype for an unreleased product? Other companies have done this (Duke Nukem Forever, Starcraft: Ghost, the Phantom Game Console) and the community looks at those products as a joke now. Ghost was even cancelled.

I'm sorry you're having difficulty finding them, I really am, but dude, they're selling. They're online at other retailers occasionally, I know this for a fact. Newegg has sold them. ZipZoomFly has sold them. A bunch of European stores have sold them.

If you have problems with an online store not stocking them frequently enough, email the store and tell them to order more of them. I'm on your side

You want to buy our product, I want to sell you our product. We don't sell direct, so the only way to do it is through retailers. If Newegg orders 10 kits and sells out in 5 minutes, how is that our fault?

I'm not saying that's what's happening, but you have to give us the benefit of the doubt here. We're making them, selling them, and shipping them. They're in the hands of people on this very forum that bought them from those sites.

Are they hard to find? Yes. But so are PS3s and Wiis.

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At least people who wanted a PS3 or a Wii could go to the store and camp out for it because they knew when it would be there. People who want good memory have to hunt for weeks and end up just buying something else out of frustration.

It's not just Corsair...it's Mushkin (although it's showing up again), G.SKill HZ too. Most of all the really high performance stuff is impossible to get hold of in the US. Like I said, I don't care one way or the other, but it is hard to find.

Don't give me crap about lookign somewhere else. Shipping is a big deal to me and I can't see paying $10+ to ship a package that is only about 2lb. Just that most of the larger e-tailers aren't showing stock on many products. Not just Corsair like I said though.

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At least people who wanted a PS3 or a Wii could go to the store and camp out for it because they knew when it would be there. People who want good memory have to hunt for weeks and end up just buying something else out of frustration.
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It's worth pointing out that there is NOTHING inside a PS3 or a Wii that is as rare as the Micron ICs we need to GUARANTEE 6400C3 or 8888C4. We don't build them and hope they will run at rated speeds, we guarantee they will run at rated speeds which is a major part of the reason we are able to make only a small # of them. Let's all get picnic lunches and signs and go protest at the Micron fabs. :toast:

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Originally Posted by Redbeard

It does when everywhere we shipped them to has sold out of them almost instantly.

I'm not trying to be smarmy, but what do you think is happening?

Do you think we released a part where we can only make like 5 of them? What possible benefit would that be for us? Hype for an unreleased product? Other companies have done this (Duke Nukem Forever, Starcraft: Ghost, the Phantom Game Console) and the community looks at those products as a joke now. Ghost was even cancelled.

I'm sorry you're having difficulty finding them, I really am, but dude, they're selling. They're online at other retailers occasionally, I know this for a fact. Newegg has sold them. ZipZoomFly has sold them. A bunch of European stores have sold them.

If you have problems with an online store not stocking them frequently enough, email the store and tell them to order more of them. I'm on your side

You want to buy our product, I want to sell you our product. We don't sell direct, so the only way to do it is through retailers. If Newegg orders 10 kits and sells out in 5 minutes, how is that our fault?

I'm not saying that's what's happening, but you have to give us the benefit of the doubt here. We're making them, selling them, and shipping them. They're in the hands of people on this very forum that bought them from those sites.

Are they hard to find? Yes. But so are PS3s and Wiis.

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Why do the reps have to always come here to push product? I am all for people showing results, but I want to see results of honest-to-god purchased kits, and not every time the engineers at corsair get bored and make another revision or put different spreaders on ram.

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we guarantee they will run at rated speeds which is a major part of the reason we are able to make only a small # of them.

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I was very disappointed in the fact that my new Corsair stuff was DOA (funny how my 7gb+ of teamgroup ram was all perfect! Thanks Kevin!), and I get sick and tired of Corsair making the mid-grade stuff confusing for the average buyer (making Promos or Elipidia crap look like micron). I do not see Teamgroup or Mushkin making the product lines confusing so they can sell ~250$+ elipidia crap to the average joe, and I do not see reps of those companies here giving out free ram to people to push here either.

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I am very excited to receive my 9136C5D tomorrow just in time for the holidays and can't wait to see how it does in my 680i, if indeed it was designed around that chipset I'll be very happy to see DDR2-1200+

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Go for it, the problem with DDR 1200+ on 680I is that it is even slower than DDR798 cas 3-3-3-4 on 975 at 8m.

We realize the varety of ICs used on various modules can be confusing, which is why we PUBLISH ON OUR FORUMS which IC we use for each revision of every set of memory we sell.

Sorry for the derail, here. If anybody has any questions or comments for me, feel free to send me a PM and I'll answer it there. I'm not trying to start an "Us vs. Them" flamewar, I'm just trying to represent the company I work for in the most honest way I can, by telling the truth. I'm sorry if it came across as "pushing the product", but then again, I honestly believe we have the best, fastest memory in the world right now. So I guess I would feel pretty retarded not recommending it to people.

Let's get back to waiting for some benchmarks.

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Originally Posted by Redbeard

We realize the varety of ICs used on various modules can be confusing, which is why we PUBLISH ON OUR FORUMS which IC we use for each revision of every set of memory we sell.

Sorry for the derail, here. If anybody has any questions or comments for me, feel free to send me a PM and I'll answer it there. I'm not trying to start an "Us vs. Them" flamewar, I'm just trying to represent the company I work for in the most honest way I can, by telling the truth. I'm sorry if it came across as "pushing the product", but then again, I honestly believe we have the best, fastest memory in the world right now. So I guess I would feel pretty retarded not recommending it to people.

Let's get back to waiting for some benchmarks.

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Yes, I know you publish that information on your forums, as well as half the people here do. The problem with people that buy middle of the road products (I know you visit OCF and [H]) is that they do not know that the 6400 version blah blah they are getting is good micron, or inferion or whatever! In some cases with online stores (like this 5400UL issue on newegg) the store depicts a good version (like 5400UL v1.2) and then when you actually get your order, find out you have 1.5.

You can see that if the most current revision of, say 6400c4, uses micron ram, and I go to newegg today and order some, what happens when I get some new revision that has Promos/Elipidia/Inferion?

That is the issue I am talking about here, and it effects innept users alot more than the ones here, as they go looking here and find that someone has some 6400c4 stuff that is micron, and they might not understand that they are getting a module that is 100% different. Changing the IC that a certain part number uses only leads to confusion, and Corsair seems to do it alot only to save money (never lowering the price when going from micron to Elipidia/Inferion/Promos either....)

If you really cared about what the users wanted, why do you not print what IC was used in the module right on the heatspreaders, or even include it in the part number to 100% avoid these problems.

ftpchris, for corsair modules easiest way is to ask retailer before you buy what rev # is on corsair modules, that's what i did when i got my PC5400ULv1.2s

Guess real problem comes if more than one IC type is used on same rev # if that happens ???

2 people at the egg that ordered the dominator 6400 series report that cpu-z shows this new 9136 stuff. Is it that maybe this stuff didn't bin as high so it was relabeled as 6400? or was it actually mislabeled by mistake?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Custra...82E16820145168

I orderd a set overnight. will be here thursday. hopefully i will get the mislabeled stuff :)

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Go for it, the problem with DDR 1200+ on 680I is that it is even slower than DDR798 cas 3-3-3-4 on 975 at 8m.

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Ok well since I certainly don't spend several thousands of dollars on a 30" LCD for 2560x1600 and 2x8800 GTX for running 8m PI scores I know for a :fact: that in 3d gaming synthetic and real life that at least 2 sites have proven beyond a doubt that increasing the memory speed increased FPS by 10-20 FPS going from DDR2-800 to DDR2-1200 on Conroe systems and since I need fluent gaming for 2560x1600 and eye candy turned up all the way I will enjoy that bandwidth.

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Ok well since I certainly don't spend several thousands of dollars on a 30" LCD for 2560x1600 and 2x8800 GTX for running 8m PI scores I know for a :fact: that in 3d gaming synthetic and real life that at least 2 sites have proven beyond a doubt that increasing the memory speed increased FPS by 10-20 FPS going from DDR2-800 to DDR2-1200 on Conroe systems and since I need fluent gaming for 2560x1600 and eye candy turned up all the way I will enjoy that bandwidth.

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Links please. I went from a Crucial Ballistix 5300C4 to Corsair 6400C3 and it didnt do crap for my FPS @ higher res. The only real difference was that I could push my X6800 harder.

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ftpchris, for corsair modules easiest way is to ask retailer before you buy what rev # is on corsair modules, that's what i did when i got my PC5400ULv1.2s

Guess real problem comes if more than one IC type is used on same rev # if that happens ???

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The only reason for the rev #s is when components change.

So when we go from rev 1.2 to rev 1.3, something changed, most often it's an IC, but sometimes it's another component. For example, on the Pro modules we've occasionally switched brands of LEDs or something and a new rev # is created.

So if you buy 6400C4 rev1.1 and somebody else buys 6400C4 rev1.1, the parts are identical as far as ICs and components are concerned. We do not change revs for different lots of ICs though, so this month's D9GMH and next month's D9GMH will have the same lot # for the identical part, provided no other parts have changed.

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reason we are able to make only a small # of them. Let's all get picnic lunches and signs and go protest at the Micron fabs. :toast:

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Yes but the problem being you send them all to England and Australia who never seem to run short:fact:

currently testing 1320 mhz, cas 5-4-4-8-TRC 12, 2T at 2.65 volts.

1300 mhz is stable easy, but theres a sharp wall at 1300 mhz, and I have 2 sets of ram that have this exact same wall... I think I am just at the wall of what this board will do.

either way, 1300 mhz isnt too hard with these boards.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=140295

this is not meant to be implied that this is stable, just showing what I am playing with at the moment, and what I am currently trying to get stable.
at the moment, this appears to be about 50% stable at best, so maybe some tweaking I can get better....

Well corsair reps you out there?? I just received my new 6400C3D and it will only boot with one stick:mad: So much for testing before they ship:rolleyes: Yes I set the volts with the one stick and all I get is a C1 error that I have no clue to what it means.:slapass:

Can some one help me understand this, I replaced my Mushkin XP2 6400 4.4.3.10 with this as I favor lower lantency, well I just did Everest benchmark and it was the worst results I have ever had, read, write, copy, latency was all below fifty %, my mushkin always at the top. What am I doing wrong?

I'm not really even sure why Corsair made a PC2-9136 part. Okay, wow, it's DDR2-1142 as opposed to the DDR2-1111 part, which are both obviously built around the same binned ICs. Anyone with half a brain could overclock DDR2-1111 to DDR2-1142, unless Corsair is just eking out every last MHz they can buy doing more selective binning, and jacking up the prices disproportionately. Personally, I think the wasted hours of testing necessary to find ICs that reliably run at DDR2-1142 in addition to the DDR2-1111 part is just stupid, and could cause more hemorrhaging than profits.

But I'm not just blaming Corsair. It's a symptom of the DDR2 market right now; look at OCZ with their new hybrid-watercooled PC2-9200 part. It's just a pissing contest to see which company can wring the last few megahertz of performance out of the DDR2 standard. And it's not even impressive, since all highly binned D9GMH hits at least DDR2-1000 anyway. And those 5-5-5-15 timings aren't exactly revolutionary, either. It's just a bandwidth race now, not a timings race, because Corsair and OCZ both know finding D9 that runs DDR2-1142 or higher at 4-4-4 is going to be massively time consuming and expensive, so I guess the MHz tweaking is their last resort.

Let's bring out DDR3 already.

Palese sorry to hear about the bad ram ;-( please let us know how Corsair does RMA, on high end stuff they should certainly cross-ship asap. With holidays though it sucks to have to wait.

Fortunately I have better news, received my 9136C5D, it isn't what I had completely hoped for but is what I was expecting to have for an overclock.

Memtested ram OK for a couple hours before overclocking. Was able to boot around 1300-1333 wasn't stable. Tried 1264 5-5-5-15 2.4v got system hang during test 8 (15 minute wall time)

Backed down to 1211 and was ok with 2.5v but 2.4v would error in memtest.

Running 1558FSB I switched to Linked mode and it set the ram at DDR2-1167 changed timings to 4-4-4-12 2T and left advanced to auto for all. 2.4v and 2.45v both produce lots of errors. However switching to 2.5v produces 0 errors so far after over an hour of wall time (3 passes)

So I am fairly content with 1167 @ 4-4-4-12 seeing as how I would have bought the 8888C4 @ $610 if it had been in stock, I guess I saved myself $150

BTW the ram sticks are not even warm, I do have 8x120mm fans 110cfm each and it is 74'F ambient room temp so that probably helps.

Can anyone comment if they would do 1167 @ 4-4-4-12 vs 1200 @ 5-5-5-15? I'm guessing losing the little bit of bandwidth but tighter timings is better?

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Palese sorry to hear about the bad ram ;-( please let us know how Corsair does RMA, on high end stuff they should certainly cross-ship asap. With holidays though it sucks to have to wait.

Fortunately I have better news, received my 9136C5D, it isn't what I had completely hoped for but is what I was expecting to have for an overclock.

Memtested ram OK for a couple hours before overclocking. Was able to boot around 1300-1333 wasn't stable. Tried 1264 5-5-5-15 2.4v got system hang during test 8 (15 minute wall time)

Backed down to 1211 and was ok with 2.5v but 2.4v would error in memtest.

Running 1558FSB I switched to Linked mode and it set the ram at DDR2-1167 changed timings to 4-4-4-12 2T and left advanced to auto for all. 2.4v and 2.45v both produce lots of errors. However switching to 2.5v produces 0 errors so far after over an hour of wall time (3 passes)

So I am fairly content with 1167 @ 4-4-4-12 seeing as how I would have bought the 8888C4 @ $610 if it had been in stock, I guess I saved myself $150

BTW the ram sticks are not even warm, I do have 8x120mm fans 110cfm each and it is 74'F ambient room temp so that probably helps.

Can anyone comment if they would do 1167 @ 4-4-4-12 vs 1200 @ 5-5-5-15? I'm guessing losing the little bit of bandwidth but tighter timings is better?

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Glad it worked out for you, boy what are the odds of a bad c3d stick:woot: I should play the lotto:D

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Well corsair reps you out there?? I just received my new 6400C3D and it will only boot with one stick:mad: So much for testing before they ship:rolleyes: Yes I set the volts with the one stick and all I get is a C1 error that I have no clue to what it means.:slapass:

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Sorry for that, but I can assure you each stick IS tested. That doesn't mean that nothing bad happens on its way out to packaging or to you, however. C1 is usually a memory or memory size error. Definitely sounds like a bad module.

We're going to be out of the office for the US Thanksgiving Holiday for the next few days, but we'll be back next Monday, and we'll get you a replacement for those as soon as possible.

If you want to talk to me personally, PM me and I'll tell you how to set up an RMA so you can get that stuff replaced as fast as possible.

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I'm not really even sure why Corsair made a PC2-9136 part. Okay, wow, it's DDR2-1142 as opposed to the DDR2-1111 part, which are both obviously built around the same binned ICs. Anyone with half a brain could overclock DDR2-1111 to DDR2-1142, unless Corsair is just eking out every last MHz they can buy doing more selective binning, and jacking up the prices disproportionately. Personally, I think the wasted hours of testing necessary to find ICs that reliably run at DDR2-1142 in addition to the DDR2-1111 part is just stupid, and could cause more hemorrhaging than profits.

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The 9136 part is a C5 part, and an upscale version of the 8500C5.

The fastest part we sell is still the 8888C4DF, which overclocks faster than 9136 with the latency at CAS5 and a board that can do faster, but of course, it costs more, as well.

How far does this do 3-3-3 ?

Rather than all these high values I'd love to be able to buy some 3-3-3 RAM which will do say 450 ..or is that still a pipedream currently ? I'm not talking about the odd stick here, I mean every stick does that.

Regards

Andy

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How far does this do 3-3-3 ?

Rather than all these high values I'd love to be able to buy some 3-3-3 RAM which will do say 450 ..or is that still a pipedream currently ? I'm not talking about the odd stick here, I mean every stick does that.

Regards

Andy

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havent tested 333 yet.

but what you ask... that is a pipedream.

some will do cas 333 at high mhz, some wont.
you cant expect them all to, otherwise they would just start selling cas 333 900 mhz ram. luck of the draw with that kinda thing, just like with videocards, CPUs and anything else you wanna run out of spec.

Redbeard.... Any comment on my previous post about the mislabeled corsair coming from newegg? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=37
Thanks for being active and offering help here at XS.. That is great customer service in my eyes.
I almost forgot..... HAPPY THANKSGIVING XS!!

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Sorry for that, but I can assure you each stick IS tested. That doesn't mean that nothing bad happens on its way out to packaging or to you, however. C1 is usually a memory or memory size error. Definitely sounds like a bad module.

We're going to be out of the office for the US Thanksgiving Holiday for the next few days, but we'll be back next Monday, and we'll get you a replacement for those as soon as possible.

If you want to talk to me personally, PM me and I'll tell you how to set up an RMA so you can get that stuff replaced as fast as possible.




The 9136 part is a C5 part, and an upscale version of the 8500C5.

The fastest part we sell is still the 8888C4DF, which overclocks faster than 9136 with the latency at CAS5 and a board that can do faster, but of course, it costs more, as well.

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Thanks for the reply and offer of help, someone on another thread says its the board and not the ram, he said he went through three boards until he got one that did not give him a C1 error:eek: I hope this is not a trend with the 680i boards.

I will try and get another MB at frys on Friday but not another 680i and see if this is true. But then again with all the crazy shoppers out there for the black friday sales I may not find a place to park:D

One more question this C3D is good ram right? Some people ask me why I would buy low latency ram for a high bandwidth board, and I tell them I do mild overclocks and not looking to brake any speed records. I have seen another person on this vary forum reach high overclocks with C3 ram.

Thank again Redbeard for the help and taking the abuse you did over the last couple of days:fact: I believe you are just seeing the frustration of folks who want to buy your ram but can not find it. I know I was one of them:woot:

I will send you PM, and have a nice turkey day:)

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Thanks for the reply and offer of help, someone on another thread says its the board and not the ram, he said he went through three boards until he got one that did not give him a C1 error:eek: I hope this is not a trend with the 680i boards.

I will try and get another MB at frys on Friday but not another 680i and see if this is true. But then again with all the crazy shoppers out there for the black friday sales I may not find a place to park:D

One more question this C3D is good ram right? Some people ask me why I would buy low latency ram for a high bandwidth board, and I tell them I do mild overclocks and not looking to brake any speed records. I have seen another person on this vary forum reach high overclocks with C3 ram.

Thank again Redbeard for the help and taking the abuse you did over the last couple of days:fact: I believe you are just seeing the frustration of folks who want to buy your ram but can not find it. I know I was one of them:woot:

I will send you PM, and have a nice turkey day:)

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I also had a girl on here PM me about the C1 error and she said that BFG support said it was a good idea to RMA it. Fortunately I have 975 board here for testing in case I think it is a board issue.

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havent tested 333 yet.

but what you ask... that is a pipedream.

some will do cas 333 at high mhz, some wont.
you cant expect them all to, otherwise they would just start selling cas 333 900 mhz ram. luck of the draw with that kinda thing, just like with videocards, CPUs and anything else you wanna run out of spec.

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My teamgroup stuff does ~450+ cas 3-3-3, ~450$ shipped @ Tankguys...

I would not call that a "pipe dream"

I had a C1 error and yanked the Gskill 6400 NR out of my HTPC that specs at 1.9v and it booted right up. changed voltage to 2.1 and re-installed my HZ. Booted Fine then. i know this is corsair thread but that was my experience with the C1 issue.

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My teamgroup stuff does ~450+ cas 3-3-3, ~450$ shipped @ Tankguys...

I would not call that a "pipe dream"

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ok, then can you garauntee that every single one of them will do that?

cause that was the question.
not if some can do it.
if allllllllll can do it.

cause I said that clearly, some will do it, but not all.

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The 9136 part is a C5 part, and an upscale version of the 8500C5.

The fastest part we sell is still the 8888C4DF, which overclocks faster than 9136 with the latency at CAS5 and a board that can do faster, but of course, it costs more, as well.

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Yeah, I see the need for the 8888C4 part, since it's Corsair's flagship, and obviously is superior to the 8500C5. But like I said, many people with 8500C5 should be able to hit 9136 at 5-5-5-15 with a bump in voltage. It's 1066MHz to 1142MHz. Doesn't seem like a huge performance increase to justify binning out better ICs to sell a new part that'll run at stock reliably. But to each his own, I guess. Corsair makes a damn lot of money off their high end stuff, and hats off to them. :)

Well I installed the 8500C5D pair and it booted right up, so the C3DF is bad for sure, for a minute there I thought it was the 680i.

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ok, then can you garauntee that every single one of them will do that?

cause that was the question.
not if some can do it.
if allllllllll can do it.

cause I said that clearly, some will do it, but not all.

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I am sure all TGX 6400 c3 stuff will do that, it is just a matter of what voltage is needed, and clearly running ~2.5v+ isn't under warranty.

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Hype for an unreleased product? Other companies have done this (Duke Nukem Forever, Starcraft: Ghost, the Phantom Game Console) and the community looks at those products as a joke now. Ghost was even cancelled.

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don't you be diss'n DNF :slapass: , it's supposedly coming out by the end of this year, something to do with a big bonus by their investors... uuummm.... (PLEEEEEAASE!)

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Guess real problem comes if more than one IC type is used on same rev # if that happens ???

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That's why the IC Inquiry Thread is there @ HoH (Redbeard linked to it earlier), because it does happen. People keep assuming that version # is directly tied to the IC, which it isn't! If it was, they wouldn't ask for the combination of part # / version # / lot # to correctly identify what IC they have.

The best thing for all is to buy ram that is already proven...ie. corsair 6400c3 which priced accordingly. Even in $400 ish price range you have plenty of choices from other brands.

For sub $400 then you have to do more works to find data/price/review or ask the vendor/manufacturer.

If you not sure, don't hit the buy button.

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Guess real problem comes if more than one IC type is used on same rev # if that happens ???

That's why the IC Inquiry Thread is there @ HoH (Redbeard linked to it earlier), because it does happen. People keep assuming that version # is directly tied to the IC, which it isn't! If it was, they wouldn't ask for the combination of part # / version # / lot # to correctly identify what IC they have.

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Yeah but the problem is that some people don't have money right away to buy let's say a good Micron ram.Not the best Micron based but a Micron that can do good clocks at 4-4-4 and have to wait for a couple of months(2) to buy the ram( a quality ram)for thoose who prefer quality over quantity) and when it comes to the grand total, they gathered all the money and finaly they can get the ram they were hungering for over this months they find out(in the best case) that the ram they want to buy is now equiped with some lousy chip that can barely hit ddr900 at 5-5-5 .So what would you do?Wouldn't you go for Teamgroup who uses Micron constantly?Or would you go for a ram that teases you with some killer chips and when you end up in the shop you end up angry.But there are some people who live in places that doesn't have a great shop that can afford to have in stock dozen's of 200$ rams just so the buyer can select them.There are shops that only bring on order and who don't do revision stuff they bring the model you want.Then you have to buy sleeping pills cause you cant sleep because your wondering that will the Corsair I'm getting tomorrow be Micron based or some cheap-o-crap Elpida or smthn.And like someone said why only the parts change and not the price?I bet on it that Micron is more expensive then Elpida.Maybe you can do something about this revisions and keep it to a good one.You have to think that not many people give 200$ on memory that they wont overclock so you have to keep em' scalable.You can't just overclock em' to the max and sell em' very expensive.

Heres...All info, happy shopping:D

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/440...shot205aa0.jpg

well put Dumo! :)

It is great having corsair reps here, so lets stop flaming them for rediculous reasons and get on with this preview of thier terrific product.

Good to have you beards here at XS !

Revv23, thanks for the welcome. It's been a tough crowd here lately. Perhaps this will cheer some people up.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...09#post1866109

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Do we launch the (FICTIONAL) TWIN2X2048-10667C4DF even though we can only make about 200-300 units a week?

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Yes you do. You definetely do.

I can assure you I would sell my 6400C3s and be all over that ram if it ever came out.

I am running 1333 FSB, getting that kit would be bliss. Especially at C4... man I would buy that ram if it was C5, but C4 just makes it even better.

nice review :D
I like the mem, but it's a waste of money. It's very expensive mem, but you can buy a kit of D9 chips(ebay or in store) and it goes exactly that hard, i think even harder..

Mine refuse to clock about DDR2-1112 on my 680i board, board is stable latest release of bios and it was purchased to run at LEAST DDR2-1142 which it won't. This ram was supposedly tested and exclusively made for 680i chipset boards but works in others but guaranteed 1142 on 680i

Not happy after $500 more invested in Corsair :mad:

Pentium, keep in mind our memory WILL run its rated speeds or we will replace it. With all the 680i OCing info here hopefully you can get it sorted. If you find it is the memory holding you back, let me know.

My maximum OC of 9136C5D is 1280MHz super stable at 15-5-5-5. But what type of IC is used on it?

ALL Dominator PC8500 and up is Micron and Micron only. I dont know the specific IC revision is that is what you are looking for.

Post HERE if you want RAM GUY to give more specific info.

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Pentium, keep in mind our memory WILL run its rated speeds or we will replace it. With all the 680i OCing info here hopefully you can get it sorted. If you find it is the memory holding you back, let me know.

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Much appeciated tough to know if it is the board or not possibly dividers running unlinked etc. I have some more testing to do but seems DDR2-1112 works good and it is running 5-5-5-18 (optimal auto selected)

I have a 6700 coming in tomorrow replacing my 6600 so my FSB will change and thus my memory speeds as well, I'll do more testing this weekend.

You guys really need to read posts more carefully before you post, and kunaak I believe you have begun you slip into leetness even tho that kid was a little idiot. Also redbeard we're coming for the new world order so enjoy it while it lasts there guy..............

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You guys really need to read posts more carefully before you post, and kunaak I believe you have begun you slip into leetness even tho that kid was a little idiot. Also redbeard we're coming for the new world order so enjoy it while it lasts there guy..............

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I read this 5x and didn't make any more sense after the 5th time :rolleyes:

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I read this 5x and didn't make any more sense after the 5th time :rolleyes:

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You guys really need to read posts more carefully before you post, and kunaak I believe you have begun you slip into leetness even tho that kid was a little idiot. Also redbeard we're coming for the new world order so enjoy it while it lasts there guy..............

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I may be misreading this, but are you saying that the Illuminati is coming for me?

NT post was in bad taste, self moderation.

On Sunday AM 12/10, Zipzoom Fly shows to have the 9136's in stock.... Never purchased from them, are they any good?:confused:

Thanks
Lee

Didn't have the patience to read the whole thread, but all in all, would you recommend these chips, or are there better ones out there? Preferably from Corsair, OCZ or Geil, as G. Skill, Team, and so on are not retailed in Norway.

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On Sunday AM 12/10, Zipzoom Fly shows to have the 9136's in stock.... Never purchased from them, are they any good?:confused:

Thanks
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Didn't have the patience to read the whole thread, but all in all, would you recommend these chips, or are there better ones out there? Preferably from Corsair, OCZ or Geil, as G. Skill, Team, and so on are not retailed in Norway.

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I think in this day and age it now comes down to what you can find as far as high end ram goes, not what brand you perfer. I have not yet seen a bad performing high end ram:)

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I think in this day and age it now comes down to what you can find as far as high end ram goes, not what brand you perfer. I have not yet seen a bad performing high end ram:)

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As stated, we don't have the "performance" brands here in Norway, so I wanted to know which chips were best amongst Corsair, OCZ and Geil.

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As stated, we don't have the "performance" brands here in Norway, so I wanted to know which chips were best amongst Corsair, OCZ and Geil.

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That's a tough one to answer:fact: I favor Corsair myself, I'm not sure you can get an answer on that as ram can perform different on various MB's and setups. Also MB compatibility you need to consider.

What I can say is that just about any ram you maybe looking at has at one point or another has been tested on this forum by members who know and understand the working of ram and know how to get the most out of it.

You really need to read through all the post and benchmarks with results and decide for your self, also they run extreme in here and you may just want mild overclocks and not be as demanding on your ram as extreme overclockers are.

I do not feel you can go wrong with any of what you looked at above:)

Most prefer micron chip and most of the higher end ram regardless of brand will use it.

I was gonna by the 9136. While waiting for it to come in, kingston throws some 9600 into the mix. My 9600 will be here monday. Hopefully the Dominator Killer!

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I was gonna by the 9136. While waiting for it to come in, kingston throws some 9600 into the mix. My 9600 will be here monday. Hopefully the Dominator Killer!

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They sure do talk a lot about AMD in this article http://internet.itbusinessnet.com/ar...e.jsp?id=87574

Too much AMD talk for my liking when it comes to wondering how well it will work in the 680i board. Please let us know how it works though

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They sure do talk a lot about AMD in this article http://internet.itbusinessnet.com/ar...e.jsp?id=87574

Too much AMD talk for my liking when it comes to wondering how well it will work in the 680i board. Please let us know how it works though

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That does not surprise me, look at all the DDR2 memory reviews online and most test systems are an AMD cpu.

isnt ddr3 supposed to release this year (2007)? any bets on how fast ddr2 will get b4 ddr3?
9136 geez what a number - "poor" man's 8888 - very tempting

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I won't be making excuses, we're making this stuff as fast as we can. But to be fair, there's only so much we can do.

For argument's sake, let's say that we identify an IC that can do 1333 MHz at Cas4. Incredible performance.

However, let's say due to manufacturing issues and availability of the IC, we can only make 40 modules a day. So now we have a dilemma.

Do we launch the (FICTIONAL) TWIN2X2048-10667C4DF even though we can only make about 200-300 units a week?

Or do we decide that it's not worth doing it because people can't buy it easily?

We choose the third path, which is to launch it, build as many as possible, and then hunt down every damned IC we can find that will do it.

You should see our RAM screening process, it's very thorough and takes a lot of time, and depending on the lot we get from Micron, the yield of certain high-end parts can be anywhere between 10% and 0%.

We've never, ever put out a press release of a product that we don't have for sale, as far as I know. Any product we've ever announced has been out for sale.

Some of them are hard to find, but that's due to their popularity.

Don't get me wrong, I know it's frustrating, but the parts exist, and they are hitting online retailers constantly.

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I thought it was interesting that the 6400C3's were GKX while the dominators were D9GMH *but handpicked according to the Ramlist.

It would be great to compare the EPP data with Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4. BTW, the last one has only one EPP profile:

http://jungle.mam.by/work/thaiph_cm2x1024.gif

do these 9136 do any better than good c46400?
corsair 6400c4 and gskill6400hz's are 500 aud
9136 are 675 aud !!!

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Originally Posted by adamsleath

do these 9136 do any better than good c46400?
corsair 6400c4 and gskill6400hz's are 500 aud
9136 are 675 aud !!!

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The 6400C4 are an entry-level model and they are typically not Micron ICs, but PROMOS ICs instead.

The 8500C5, 9136C5, 6400C3, and 8888C4 are all Micron-based, and perform considerably better.

okely dokely..some 6400c4s used to have micron i think....it's changed.
used to be 6400c4 d9's - still think gskill are using d9's for hz but i could be wrong; and now there are more expensive d9's screeeened for high voltage pleasure.

i got a deal on some 9136 so it's academic to me now.
http://www.digitalmediaasia.com/defa...rticleID=20834 - 10100 pc2 it's a crazy market

ok,i see alot took 9136 & 8500/8888 dominators,but how about Corsair 2GB 6400C3DF speed and run?

i just order them so any1 test them.

thank you

In the first image, why does Everest report fsb:dram @ 12:8 ratio instead of 3:2?

Will soon see how the 9136 overclocks on my p5n32-e SLI +

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It would be great to compare the EPP data with Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4. BTW, the last one has only one EPP profile:

http://jungle.mam.by/work/thaiph_cm2x1024.gif

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Hey VVJ, what is the profile enhancer tool in your post? Is it reliable?

Its Thaiphoon. More info here.

dodjer420, Thaiphoon Burner is as reliable as Japanese condoms!
Well, I have just updated for fun the SPD of my Kingston ValueRAM PC3200 stick with EPP profiles from Team Group Xtreem-A2-DDR2-800 memory stick. Here is the screenshot of my work:

http://jungle.mam.by/work2/magicthaipoon.gif

So, have you ever seen a DDR SDRAM stick with EPP? :) Now, I can sell that stick with a low markup of 10 bucks, because its SPD incorporates EPP profiles :) I have reprogrammed a lot of unknown chinese DDR2 RAM sticks with EPP profiles and all of them works fine.

Thanks for the link. How do you utilise EPPs? I understand that the settings are stored in the SPD, but can I select the EPP profile from within a 680i BIOS or from some utility in Windows??

EDIT: So I tried the option in the BIOS for SLI-Ready RAM and set it to CPUMax. POST was fine, it sat the loading windows screen and didnt progress. So back into BIOS, set vmem to 2.225 and it booted fine. But still, no apparent changes in the memory from within CPU-Z:

http://www.yzname.com/dev/memory.jpg

My 9136 Dominators went bad!

After a week of Corsair tech guys trying to convince me it was mobo issues BFG 680i and testing I finally separated the ram and put into my wife's P5B DLX, finally found the 1 module that is bad, test #5 memtest fails but not every pass.

Well initially I was getting NV4_DISP.DLL errors and crashes in Supreme Commander I used an extra drive and loaded XP fresh. The biggest problem is that with both modules installed the errors are extremely random.

However after doing DDR2-1120 in P5B and using only the 1 module I thought was bad I get orthos large FFT and blend 20 seconds and it halts with error.

Corsair support finally gave an RMA but then told me they couldn't replace my 9136 as they didn't have stock. Spoke with CS Supervisor and he was able to find me a set to replace these bad sticks. Did some reading on newegg for the 8888C4, 10000C5, 9136C5 and lots of people reporting ram going bad on them.

:( Sad to say that my reason for going with Corsair was that I never had a bad set of ram with them, I stopped using Crucial because of my Ballistix (3 sets of bad ram that started failing within a few weeks to a month) Now I just hope I don't go through this fiasco again!

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I am sure all TGX 6400 c3 stuff will do that, it is just a matter of what voltage is needed, and clearly running ~2.5v+ isn't under warranty.

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"and clearly running ~2.5v+ isn't under warranty"

how bout %90 of ppl here it seems are breaking the warrantys the second they pop there sticks in.i find it quite amazing how corsair reps etc are in the forums openly watching ppl fry there sticks to death,fail,then rma time??no questions asked?..unreal:shrug:

pentium-

"Spoke with CS Supervisor and he was able to find me a set to replace these bad sticks. Did some reading on newegg for the 8888C4, 10000C5, 9136C5 and lots of people reporting ram going bad on them."

"lots of people reporting ram going bad on them."

are u kidding me?u ppl are frying good sticks to get a few more mhz with tighter timings etc and corsair gives rma,s on these?would love to know at what point corsair loses money on a certain model of sticks after the masses cook them to death.seems to me ppl are slapping the mem companies in the face by taking really good products and breaking them without even thinking twice...sad really .

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"and clearly running ~2.5v+ isn't under warranty"

how bout %90 of ppl here it seems are breaking the warrantys the second they pop there sticks in.i find it quite amazing how corsair reps etc are in the forums openly watching ppl fry there sticks to death,fail,then rma time??no questions asked?..unreal:shrug:

pentium-

"Spoke with CS Supervisor and he was able to find me a set to replace these bad sticks. Did some reading on newegg for the 8888C4, 10000C5, 9136C5 and lots of people reporting ram going bad on them."

"lots of people reporting ram going bad on them."

are u kidding me?u ppl are frying good sticks to get a few more mhz with tighter timings etc and corsair gives rma,s on these?would love to know at what point corsair loses money on a certain model of sticks after the masses cook them to death.seems to me ppl are slapping the mem companies in the face by taking really good products and breaking them without even thinking twice...sad really .

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Actually what is sad is that for 6 months I ran my sticks at 2.2v @ 1120mhz, that would actually be underclocking as the default is 1142 on these. I bought the set end of Nov 2006, did some testing and left them at 1120mhz on my 680i, 6 months same settings 2.2v because 2.1v on mobo seemed to undervolt the ram a bit and was 100% stable at 2.2v

I bill out my clients $120/hr so after 1 week of Corsair asking me to try different things who do you think lost money here? I have easily 20+ hrs into testing per Corsair tech's request only to come to the conclusion that one of my sticks is indeed bad.