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My results for the eVGA are back. Rather disappointing.
FSB tops at 449. I mean literally 449. A hair higher than that will not post. I know this system including this CPU can do 485 on my previous P5B deluxe. Wondering if I should return this board or not.
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/cambrian/680i.JPG
There seems to be a bug when setting a certain FSB causing the system not to post. What you can do is trying going a little higher in increments of 5. I seem to be stuck at the same spot you are at. I can't wait to go home to do some more testing. I have a 850 watt zippy, EVGA 680i and 6600 B stepping that needs some attention :p:
See this link to see what I'm talking about.
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4215&s=14
will it do over 3200mhz with the 8x multi?
cambrian can you run orthos blend at 449?
1) tried it at 8x multi --> same results, craps out at 450 FSB
2) tried the suggestions provided by the link --> does not work; even at multiple FSB: 1825, 1855, 1875, etc; I tried it in linked/unlinked modes, both produce same results
3) I noticed that I can orthos large FFT's for 10+ hours at 400x8 at 2T timings but at 1T orthos failed in 2 minutes. My RAM is really good and can go up as high as 980 mhz.
4) Yes I can run orthos (large FFT's) for 5+ minutes under 449 FSB without failing; I can also run 400 FSB 10+ hrs large FFT's without failing as mentioned in #3.
They have an updated bios that helps here but they won't let it out yet. :(
dont rma the board.. keep it, bios updates will fix some stuff and if maybe u can go sli now too ;)
450 from a board thats basically as tight in latency as the 975 boards, is actually pretty good.
you can go back to the P5B, but you sacrifice alot of latency for a higher OC.
compare your super PI times to your 965 board, and you will see what I mean....
dude, hook it up! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xgman
I agree with Kunaak, i'd keep the board for at least another week to see if there are any gains from a bios update or until the people having better luck with the board post their settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
Dito - a list on the 1st Post with the various Results would nice,too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDeeds
iLL
I'll get there, but between the bios/mem issues and the capacitors in the way of the backplate, I am not as much in a hurry as I was earlier today. I wish someone wiould share that darn P20 beta bios that Hardocp and VRzone were given. I never had this much trouble getting a beta bios from Asus.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambrian
Someone from EVGA says maybe the updated bios next wed. Seems like along time . . ;)
yeah the capacitors right where the back plate would be is really annoying and stupid. I had to add extra padding to tuniq tower back plate so it would it won't crush those damn capacitors. If you look at the Asus board, it does not have that problem...Very well thought out on Asus' part I think
And the bios problem is going to be a hassle in the future. Asus has been really good with releasing bioses. eVGA remains to be seen but so far not impressed.
man and i nearly bought that mobo.....gotta wait till next week and see what happens before i buy any mobo
The whole releasing of a BIOS is what held me off getting an eVGA. I dont trust em yet.
I ordered one.... I watercool so the capacitors on the back wont be an issue for me. As far as BIOSes are concerned, there should be a flood of solid BIOS releases for the reference board because several partners are essentially releasing the same board. The only thing that would be different is the hex code that identifies the company name.
Any one know anything about the beta bios from nvidia thats newer than the one from evga? Its meant to fix FSB problems.
Well Iam waiting for my vendor to get these in..Cant wait to come off the MSI 975x board..392fsb max..So the 449fsb will be really nice for me..Plus being able to run any Nvidia Drivers I want to..(SLI)
HA just got a call my vendor has them 219.00 shipped EVGA..Should have it Tuesday..
why are you getting it that cheap?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmod
Because MSRP on the board is $229. Anything over that and you have experienced early adopter pricing syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by slykid
i couldnt get 450x8 to post.....im at 400x9.........my superpi times are slower than my p5b deluxe tho........with ddr1067 i get more bandwidth with my 680i but with ddr1000 and less bandwidth my p5b did super pi in 13.987 this one does 14.124.........wierd.............................. ...if posible could u guys include a picture or a discription of your bios settings thanks.
Coolaler also showed that P5B is better performing than 680i in spi.
Muste be a FSB "hole":
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
Try 1845MHz FSB (461).
max fsb 466 x 7, no pic were done as i thought i'll go more > 470.
max 461 x 8.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/123...7mhzny7.th.jpg
evga motherboard don't expect a lot.
sorry that was mean. :)
There is a new bios coming out in the next week, the P20 bios or P21......should fix the fsb problems and help OC.....also eVGA does not make this board, this is a referece design by nvidia made by FOXCON.
Hey guys,
I have a QX6700 with the new eVGA 680i board but just got it up and running so haven't done much testing yet. I'm running air cooling (TT Big Typhoon) but would like to keep up with this thread for advice on voltages/FSB/multiplier settings as I'm not as experienced as most people are here. Interestingly, I tried setting the FSB to 1333 (333) and the multiplier to 8 (adds up to stock speed of 2.66 GHz) and Windows would not load without crashing. This worries me since people are posting ~450 FSB's.
Is there anything obvious that could be wrong here? I am using default voltages. I have an Enermax 620W (650W? I don't remember exactly...) power supply so I don't think power quality is a problem.
Keep posting your results here, I'm curious to see how everybody does and how much the new BIOS will help.
A few problems to note.
On some boards when overclocked the PS2 mouse port gets erratic, switch to USB to resolve.
Some people have had a problem opening control panels, hard crashing results. I have not seen this problem
If you use headphones with mic it will playback game audio through the mic. This will hold open audio channel in apps like teamspeak and ventrilo. I have seen this problem, use press key to speak to resolve for now.
Desparity with 32M pi, over 10 minutes too long when four threads are run.
hang on a secQuote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
have you got results to confirm
the only results i've seen so far from coolaler's brief test indicate that the latency is looser on the 680i with slower 32M times by some 20 seconds or so
mm.. bios problem.. mm.. yep probable.. its just have been launch.. :D
Coolaler only test for the quocore.. can someone comfirm it is the case for Conroe chip too :(Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
With my 680i, cpu-z no longer reads memory and timings just SPD, is this because cpu-z does not yet support 680i chip set? :confused:
Thanks.
Thank God I finally waited to buy this time around.
I know, me too. I cannot count the times I've been paying big $$$ to be a "beta-hardware-tester" over the past 10-12 years. I'm just going to sit on my wallet for a while this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speederlander
I do really hope they get whatever needs to be sorted.... well sorted.
Not too mean. You ever had a n Nf41 s939 board? Improved BIOSes promised for months... and then they just stopped caring and gave us nothing. never did solve the 2t timing or the horrible memory compatibility issues. Hope it doesn't happen to this board too.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4215&s=11
Shows the 680i as faster opposed to the P5W-DH..
So far playing with 680i,I haven't managed a good pi time compared with 975x I had.The problem is that it can't run stable my memory on 1T from 730Mhz and up.With 2T I can go up to 1100Mhz+ on 4-4-4 but the resaults are also crap(about 1min slower 32M spi than 975x @3600Mhz).I also haven't managed a better than 440fsb with 8 or lower multi.I will also try soon with 9 multi when I install watercooling or my phase.I also have the problem that FUGGER says"when overclocked the PS2 mouse port gets erratic".
:cool: :cool: why is it that most reviewers for the 680i chipset only has reviewed the board with a kentsfield. Only independant peepz who went out bought the board retail report 400FSB max on the 680i. Im starting to get paranoid, whats the point of those boards all being reviewed with quad chips if the masses only have Core 2 duo's 6300 6400 6600 X6800.
same here. Not much other than ntune supports right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by palese
What is certain is the 680i has a great deal of bios entries to experiment with. It's quite different than the Asus 775x boards. I have mine set at the scree shot belkow for right now with a 6800 cpu in sync mode. I am running 4-3-4 mem timings but at 2T. I don't think 1T ram will clock as high as most of us are going to want to go. I haven't experimentd much with 9x over 450 yet. I really don't like raising mem timings much higher than they already are. I'm sure that will limit me . CPU's lower rated than 6800 should be able to get higher mem speeds as it already is with other boards. I think this board has a great deal of potential and asside from the caps sticking up behind the socket, making it a bit dicey to put backplates on, it is pretty solid. I have tried the nvidia reference beta bios (sorry, not allowed to share this bios. nda) and quite frankly I am not sure what it but everything seems very stable. At least 32M stable for now. One more thing, the board thankfully doesn't re-set after a restart like the asus did so it makes working with vapochill control much easier. (try installing Vista with a vapo and a 775x asus. what a pain sitting there at every restart)
If anyone finds a mem tweaker or any other updated utility that works on the 680i, please let us know. Only ntune seems to work right now, and not even that works correctly.
Thanks xgman:)Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
another thing, you see the core voltage set at 1.375 in the pic above, well the board undervolts so it reads really 1.58-9 in the bios and other read programs.
Hmmmm...
I can get my QX6700 CPU up to 3.3 GHz no problem by raising the multiplier, but no matter what multiplier I use, my eVGA 680i refuses to boot windows even at 1333MHz (which it is supposed to do out of the box, "non-overclocked"). I am using Mushkin XP2-5300 Xtreme Performance Black Series RAM (2x1GB) but it's unlinked from the FSB. It's running at DDR2-700MHz at 3-3-3-10-1 at 2.2V. These settings worked perfectly on my old ASUS P5WD2E-Premium board, so I doubt this would be the problem unless there is some strange compatibility issue.
Any thoughts on why I can't even get spec FSB?
ok, here is the deal. It will only go as high as 468-470 tops with my X6800 being the probable bottleneck from there. Even at 5-6-6 no difference. It runs fine at 4-3-4 at 468x9, so I'll leave it at 452x10 and be happy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TyCanadian
It's generally going to be some combination of settings that does the trick. The options in the 680i bios are far more variable than on the 775x chipset it seems. A new bios should be out by wed I hear that may help you in any case. Try 4-4-4.
it's been a while since nvidia made a good intel chipset, thats why probably
Thanks for the suggestions xgman. I have tried my RAM at one of its SPD modes (666 at 5-5-5-15) and the results do not change at all. It's frustrating seeing people getting close to 450 at Auto voltage settings and I can't even get 333. Hopefully something will identify itself as the problem, or hopefully the new BIOS will fix it.
I'll chime in here. I just got my egva 680i up and running along with a pair of 8800GTS cards in SLI. Updating the platform and vid card drivers from the box versions smoothed everything out. No specific results yet, but I like this board alot. Very easy to OC and many settings to try. First impressions are good.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TyCanadian
Up the voltage on the cpu. The board undervolts considerably. Use sync mode until you get the new bios and try skiping ahead much hier. The curremt release bios has some gaps in where you think it topos out and then it picks back up higher ok. Try one setting at a time till you figure it out.
you have the board undervolts several times please explain.
and does it only happen at higher voltages. ?
is 1.5v in the bios 1.45v via windows ? and have you checked with a DMM on the baord itself.?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TyCanadian
You cant simply set what you had in a completly different platform and expect things to be fine. Re overclock everything and see what works and what doesnt.
Remember you are ona comletly different memory controller, meaning different things will be the keys to high stable clocks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
no I haven't confirmed with a meter, but based upon stability tests to some extent I think the bios read is probably close. I set vcore to 1.6375 in bios and in bios it reads actual 1.58- 1.59v. Based on thw last MB I had the 6800 in. the ws-pro, the stable vcore seems to be more in line with the actual bios reads on both. The ws-pro over volted. I haven't found a "reliable" way to read the actual vcore in windows yet. (certainly not with ntune)
there is no way to know in windows, you have to use DMM...
overall at just overclockin, which is better, p5b or evga/stryker 680i?
are those MB that sent to reviewers for review belong to "ES" -- handpick sample so should perform well than retail? :p: this remind me of wat happened to Abit Mb :(
My max 1T stable memory frequency is 770MHz. :(
Well aside from Asus and DFI, dunno about Abit.. since the avail 680i boards are reference boards, im sure some new bios's will be out by the end of the week to bring the clocks up. I dont think Nvidia wants their best Intel chipset looking like crap, especially since the G80s are avail and they want SLI support on the fastest desktop chips. I think you guys will get your boards clocking high in few weeks.
Heres with BFG board aka NV reference board by Foxconn...
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9...shot004sr1.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/810...shot005hs2.jpg
nice results there
Have any pics taken from the board?!....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Now thats the results we were hoping to see :) Nice results m8, im feel alot happier now seeing retail boards doing good FSB on core 2 duo.
Heres Foxconn reference board...Same as EVGA with a bunch of crooked caps like Pisa tower:D .Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnMike
As long as it can oc then is ok:)
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7...shot006ss4.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2...shot002lu1.jpg
looks good m8 ;) Cant wait to get my hands on mine, sold my PW64WS PRO for this.
Asus Striker.... This E6600 CPU would not boot past 449FSB on the EVGA with p20 BIOS. This was the first boot on the Asus board with the same CPU. :D
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8...12e6600ng3.png
Owww baby! :p: give us some pictures please!!! We want to see that rig!
500FSB+ wooooooot! :banana:
I need to tweak the memory now and start pushing the FSB. ;)
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/3...14x6800gh1.png
Bingo13,
Some questions for you.
How high can you get the FSB with a 9 multiplier?
Retail or ES?
Can you confirm max CPU voltage in bios, heard 1.6v and 1.9v
Thank You ahead of time.
Read his posts above he has gotten to 444FSB with x9 multi. But maybe CPu is holding him back. And its a retail board.Quote:
Originally Posted by zemzelett
I should have worded it differently, was asking if the 444FSB with a 9 multi was the limit for his chip, or the board.
Hope that helps clear it up, sorry for the confusion.
Well Bingo...er..Bingo thats great!!! :D
ASUS striker FTW 680i??
Bingo is the man, i told him his adventures deserve a thread of their own :)
EVGA 680i with bios P19.
nTune (manually adj. for the mobo dont work)...the rest of nTune is OK.
8x multi up to 444.5 FSB is OK.
445 up to 465 No boot.
466.6 FSB everything OK.
I will try for more if my cpu can handle it.
@Phil
MEM @800 (UNLINKED) works fine 4-3-2-4 1T.
Awesome what are your memory timings? Is that an untweaked run?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
good to see asus delivering on this.
subscibed for interest.
Would anyone who has had decent results with a reference board be able to post the voltages they used for each component? I really don't know what the limits are for this board. Are you using stock cooling for everything but the CPU?
Thanks TASOS.I will do some more testing:)Quote:
Originally Posted by TASOS
Nice Thread!!! People is it right that with a Kentsfield raising the FSB above 350 becomes a problem?
I second this motion. I'm getting very confused, especially about CPU voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyCanadian
I have seen the following in this thread alone:
bingo - 1.392
Dumo - 1.150
Dumo - 1.125
xgmam - 1.637
camb - 1.352
etc.
Now I know we all have different cooling and such but there seems to be a very wide variety.
There's a LOT of run in between 1.125 and 1.637.
Could someone give a noob like me the following:
Stock Voltage (I think 1.20v?)
"Safe" air cooling max volt - ?
"Safe" water cooling max volt - ?
Avg volt need to achieve Avg OC results - ?
I know I should have a handle on the above but, tbh, I don't have a clue.
I've got one of each variant from X6800 to E6300 to play with but my first "eyes bleeding 3am" run was not awe inspiring. I was only using stock cooling at the time but still.
I'll be throwing my Scythe Mine into the mix and then moving on to my WC setup but I'd appreciate a heads up on what I should be getting results from (i.e. "you shouldn't have to set volts higher than X to get to 3.4 with the X6800").
TIA
techstyled,
the reference nvidia 680i (or evga's at least) " undervolts from bios. What I mean by this is that if I set the vcore in bios to 1.40 the "actual" voltage will be 1.36. CPU-z would also under-report this even further as 1.352. This is consistent with what my cpu needs to be 48 hours orthos stable. With my
p5b deluxe I would have to set it at 1.38 to get a vcore of 1.36.
It's no big deal as long as the reported voltage is consistent with the p5b deluxe and ds3.
FYI, I returned my evga 680i. The place I bought it from was nice enough to take it back without restocking fee. I will wait for the Asus 680i (the non-striker version) results to come back before I jump on the 680i bandwagon. There's no way in hell i'm paying $400 for the striker motherboard even if it overclocks well (from the looks of it, it is good with FSB of 512).
Quote:
Originally Posted by cambrian
so why did you return it ? cuz it wouldnt hit as high of FSB ?
so what did you tell the peson at the return center ? it was broken ? wouldnt work with your hardware ?
I told them the truth...I'm not satisfied with its performance. In fact, I told them to go ahead and charge me the restocking fee as their terms of sale stated. But they were very nice about it and gave me the full refund.
I returned it because I will wait for the results of the Asus non-striker version before buying a 680i board.
I think you're giving up on the board way too early. Most boards, including 965 and 975X, are usually not very good with the initial bios. Some, like the P5B Dlx, got a lot better with bios updates.
The EVGA board is slow in Pi. I think that's going to be true of most 680i boards. But they overclock memory very well. At least mine does.
Difference with all other conroe's board is 680i won't give you an instant (easy from bios and clockgened) overclock:)
who cares how fast you can super pi? I mean really....how often just for $hits and giggles are we going to just have our pc's counting to 1M or 32M on a regular basis? I know I'm not...if it will overclock decent and be more stable than my p5b deluxe it is a winner to me!...just my 2cents...:toast: :woot:
yeh your definately giving up way too early,
sierra have you tested the P20 bios ?
and the 680i isnt slower from the tests we've seen, its faster than the 965 but only by a small margin
Pi in no way shape or form determines the speed of a mobo chipset, it has proven thats its a champion, atleast to me, the fact that you can do the ram and the cpu totally seperately is enough for me to buy it. that has been the dream of overclockers for years, and now its a reality, finally,, its here.
nvidia isnt going to let this board run like such crap as some people here claim it does. just cuz you cant oc your cpu doesnt mean jack squat
before this, nvidia was never in control, it was always up to the mobo makers, now, with the eVGA nvidia is in control of the bios, and they know they can't let this board die.
they are competing against intel, which isnt much competition really, and possibly the RD600 , i say possibly as no one has the RD600 boards and know one even knows anything about it.
I agree w/ lestat you have given up to early..:stick: :toast: :woot:
No, I haven't tested the P20 bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
This forum's reputation is largely built on benching. All the top overclockers come here. Doesn't mean that's the only thing worth talking about. But Pi times are important to some of us here.;)
As I mentioned earlier, you can get very good memory clocks with this board. I'm Orthos-stable at DDR2-1200. And that's after only one day of testing. How many unmodded boards can do that? Granted, you need RAM that can handle very high speeds.
The obsession that people have with FSB is very misguided IMO. Yes I know, FSB determines overall CPU speed. But there's more to performance than just CPU clocks.
But lots of us enjoy striving for 100%+ overclocks, I was hoping the 680i would give me the chance to do that since it can independently clock the memory and processor but it looks like the FSB is currently hovering around the upper 400's. Perhaps I should go and get one and stash it under a cascade.
One question in regards to temperatures, people with the boards, what are the temps like on your chipsets? Does the stock cooling do a good job or is there room for improvement?
^ My southbridge (MCP) runs really, really hot. It's up around 80C when I have a second graphics card installed, and I can't figure out the hell why. My FSB is only set to ~375 and my PCI-E lanes are running at 100mhz.
With a single card, it idled at 83C until I put the chipset fan on the northbridge that comes with this mobo. That knocked it down to 68C. But with a second GTX installed that sits right over the southbridge it heats up to 83C.
Very uncomfortable with this.. anyone know what might be the problem? It doesn't appear to be overvolted, because it reads 1.5V in the BIOS, and that's as low a voltage as you can go with it. I don't have great airflow in this case right now because I'm fixing to go H20, but I still believe it should be running nowhere near this hot. It idles much higher than my GTX's do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xion X2
not getting alot of air movement in there....possible to mount a 120 over 2 video cards to keep them cooler?:toast:
drooling for stryker
Who needs Striker. My EVGA board is Orthos-stable at DDR2-1271. ;)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7...1271555yc5.jpg
BTW, the test is still running.
:stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher!
Nice results, but is that recommended for 24/7 use? all those voltages are in the redQuote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Even when I set FSB and PCI-E voltages to Auto, the readings will be in the red or sometimes yellow. The NV Monitor utility is not very good. I just use it to show memory speed. CPU-Z does read the memory speed or timings for this board.
I'm running Orthos now at DDR2-1287. One thing I found is that raising the FSB and NB voltages to the max does not necessarily help.
Recieved my 680i yesterday.
Sierra how did you get the NvTune motherboard options working?
When I try to access the Manual Tuning/Adjust Motherboard settings it crashes to the desktop with no error. I have tried the nvtune that came on the CD and also the newer version, same result. Its a fresh install of XP.
The bios needs fixing but stability wise it seems like my P5W 64 which is good.
Sierra, which cpu are you using for these tests?Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
I am traveling currently so I have limited access to the Internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by zemzelett
1. 9x427FSB but this is due to a crappy E6600. I have a good one coming that did 9x456 at Asus with water.
2. Retail Board all the way.
3. 1.9V on the 0402 BIOS.
I am waiting on new BIOS releases for the Abit and Gigabyte boards at this time my opinion is reserved. I need to do more testing with the Striker with a decent E6600 and X6800 before commenting further but so far so good. I did hit 7x535 with a E6300 before I left.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebeast
DDR2-792, 3-3-3-6 2T, memory is good for near 880 at 1T, just need to test it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23