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Hey,
here are the first pics of the new Cool-Matic G80. Currently the top is made of aluminium, but the final top will be made of PPS/Rayton and it has got a copper core.
It'll be available in 1-2 weeks.
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/cmg80-01.jpg
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/cmg80-02.jpg
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/cmg80-03.jpg
Best regards
no internals? daam that block is thin!
Both blocks for the G80 have been super thin... any words on prices?
It's unfortunate that Innovatek isn't making pure copper blocks- I expect their sales to drop because of that fact.
Copper and aluminum galvanically corrode, eating away at each other. = Bad for watercooling systems.
im waiting for Eddy to make one! guess DD gonna make a decent one too but no one can beat Eddy when it comes to fullcover blocks!
Eddy is in the UK, right? :(
I guess we stick to DangerDen, then :)
Shipping from Eddy in Europe is cheaper than shipping fedex from dangerden. Heh. I will never buy an Innovatek product.
yea waiting on Eddy to make one too or DD. It seems like everyone else has already started, i hope they are in the process to make one, the sooner the better..
Waiting to see Non-Full Cover block.... :D
Oh and BTW: Are the G80 Available now ?
EDIT: Guess im Late...
The Innovatek block looks like crap maximus. The BFG card already features a first class, gorgeous 1/2' ID Danger Den block. Why would anyone want that tiny 10mm ID German block?
Aluminum, ew.
Not to mention those stupid push fittings...yuck. :sick:
http://www.bfgtech.com/8800GTX_768_PCIe_wc.html
Looks kind of similar to the Innovatek...but I don't think it is....looks all copper too, anybody wanna guess who makes it?
EDIT: well, if I read ANY of the text on that page....I'd have noticed it's DD :rolleyes:
Guess that's DD's block :p:
high-res linkage
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1030183915
They've been doing so for 9 years and never had any issues with sales, and probably never will. The European mainstream market that they target isn't as obsessive as us...Quote:
It's unfortunate that Innovatek isn't making pure copper blocks- I expect their sales to drop because of that fact.
BFG and DD did some deal and DD are only surpliing them with BFG and not on there own i hear!!
How ever the price for the card with it and OC's is sill when the std non oc'd card is a nice price!
Well count outta that group ... I wish I could order things in the US without paying insane shipping, without delays, etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Marci
BTW Is the Storm available in the US?
may be it was made from silver :D?
I'm itching to pull the trigger on two BFG/DD cards. That's a $1600 expenditure and I am having cold feet on the cost lol The problem is that one cannot just install a water block on any old retail card without voiding the warranty, which really sux. I personally own two MCW60s and I have even ordered the Swiftech adapter plates. However, I am not going to use those Swiftech items if I am going to immediately void all warranties. What a dilemma!
I come from germany and i can say that i really don't know who buys these blocks LOL must be some mainstream people i never meet in forums...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marci
There are many alternatives to innovatek blocks here which are either fullcopper, plexi, delrin and mostly more powerful, sometimes also a lot lessflowresistant and most of all cheaper than this one. in a few days so many new fullcover blocks from wellknown big wc companies will popup, well, a new round G80, lets see who wins this time :D
Do we have to put up with all these crapola wb's? :stick:
Someone pls make a descent G80 wb...
Nowt wrong with the Innovatek blocks, only ones I could find at the time that would allow me to use all 3 PCI slots (which are populated on my setup) without flexing PCI cards etc. and still leave me with a PCI-e slot to spare, they may not be 'extreme' but still knock over 25 degreesC of load temps on my 7900GTX SLI.
My only critism with the innovatek 7900block I had was that I had to hack the backplate to make it flatter as initially it rubs against the adjacent PCI card, its mnade of plastic so not too difficult but still Innovatek should have done that really as they calim it will allow use of PCI slots, so to the OP (krueml) if you have anything to do with the company get them to sort that out on the 8800s and i'll buy 2, Cheers :D
Actually those are compression fittings... (at least they look like it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
As my motto, dont think just buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
As you can see from the reviews these are badass carrds!
its pretty much only $1400 n some change for the 2 cards.
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marci
Indeed... and I suspect it's pretty much of a flowblocker too :nono:
obsessive isnt the word I would use.. I would word it in the following wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Marci
"They've been doing so for 9 years and never had any issues with sales, and probably never will. The European mainstream market that they target is, for the most part, ignorant to the meaning of the word corrosion"
Ahh... now I AVOIDED wording it like that... mainly cos they don't have corrosion issues either. Innovatek warranty is voided if not used with InnovaProtect... and InnovaProtect does actually work damn well as a corrosion inhibitor.
You can replace the stock cooling on evga cards with out voiding the warranty, if you need to rma the card, you have to re-install the stock cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
From now on, you do. There are stickers over the screws on the back of the PCB. This is true for EVGA, BFG and probably every single brand. Remove them and your warranty is gone! The old days of putting on whatever cooling you want are gone. Read Shamino's review on VR-Zone. Even peel the sticker slightly and forget about RMAs.Quote:
Originally Posted by mustang9621
Blame it on Nvidia.
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Originally Posted by damnnit
Mr. Damnit,
Which brand of 8800GTX cards did you end up buying? Are you water cooling them right now?
That is probably the reason why they void the warranty if you don't use that innovaprotect stuff - they know stuff will corrode if something isn't usedQuote:
Originally Posted by Marci
Our Cool-Matic G80 has been arrived..
The top is made of Delrin..
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/g80-01.jpg
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/g80-02.jpg
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/g80-03.jpg
Apart from the alu, why do i believe that this will be something like DD's fullcover on the inside...? :sick:
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Agree! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jochenp
i wana see it naked
Will do it today or tomorrow..
krueml... what barb is on your storm in your user pic?
DangerDen High-Flow 1/2" Fittings ..
sorry guys, the pics will not come before tomorrow ..
Here is the naked Cool-Matic G80
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/g80-04.jpg
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/g80-05.jpg
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/g80-06.jpg
http://www.4eweb.de/pc/g80-07.jpg
It's the same architecture like the one of the Innovatek G-Flow ..
that's a pretty big core!
Woh. O.o
But why the hell did they make it aluminum? Nobody has all aluminum blocks and parts in their loops, Everything else used in water cooling loops these days in terms of metals are copper, brass, and stainless steel. So this is going to corode, period, just not with itself like copper & alu blocks.
And that is the strangest internal design for a full cover block ive ever seen. Guess they wanted to give the water some 'excitement' on it's adventure through.... :rolleyes:
Granted a pure copper block is preferable also in my eyes, but as far as mixing goes that Innovatek block is not that catastrophic.
The aluminum is anodized, copper is crome or nickel plated and the anode smaller than the kathode. So unless you scratch it on the internal side, which will render the whole annodized layer useless, it not that much of a problem, certainly not with inhibitor additives.
Now I am not saying it is any good, the only reason why I would choose such a combination was for price or weight reasons, and at 108 € its ridiculously pricey compared to a full copper EK block for the G80.
Enjoy: Stainless steel can cause bimetall corrosion with copper too.
If theyre eVGA cards, I dont think aftermarket cooling voids the warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Am I the only one who thinks the ports are restrictive as hell? (last pic) I mean they make it come out on a narrow path despite already coming in from a 90 degree bend. That can't be good.
Innovatek uses nickel-plated copper for the core.
Unless this particular block is different from all the past ones...
True... can anyone justify buying this when you can get the EK block? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by syne_24
Anodizing, even of the highest quality will come off eventually. Just look at the older Swiftech blocks or older Innovatek's that were run for several months and corroded even with inhibitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairydust
99% of the copper blocks used in our systems are NOT plated with anything. And you're also forgetting our radiators which use copper and brass and are not plated as well.
Some types of stainless steel will corrode, correct, but there are types that won't. I know Aqua Computer uses SS on some of it's pieces every now and then and they use the good type that will not corrode with copper. I know that any pumps that use it also use the quality variation.
We also forget the fact that a copper block, such as the Ek or DD, will outperform this block and for a cheaper price. So what's the point of this thing for all it's trouble and all it's expense?
I should have been more clear, I was talking about contact corrosion/bimetall corrosion of mixed metal blocks in particular not galvanic corrosion of mixed metal loops in general. We all know the problems of mixed metal loops, but mixed metal blocks are usually far worse in the corrosion department as a result of the direct contacting metals. In this particular point this block is not as bad as many other due to the reasons listed in my previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Of course a pure copper alternative is preferable, as I already stated in my previous post. Although imho mixed metal loops are not bad, my oldest loop is mixed metal and has no signs of corrosion after 4 years, it's just that pure loops are better.
But this was already stated in my first post, by myself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairydust
...so why did you feel the need to repeat it in a more obscure way?Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
You've popped open your blocks and pump and checked for corrosion? What's your fluid mixture in the loop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairydust
i've bought a used innovatek setup for 80€ for my ofice pc. it uses an huge passive alu-konvektor, an alu res, eheim pump and cool-matic (copper-alu) for 6600, jst bought it because i wanted to have my office-pc without any fans at all.
this setup now runs since 2 years without changing water or anything else and i don't get any corrosion issues, seems like this innovaprotect stuff works pretty good but i'll never use a setup like this for my gaming rig:fact:
so if you use innovateks anti corrosion-stuff (innovaprotect) you are not going to have any issues, but if you use pure distilled water like i do it in my swifty loop you'll run in a lot of problems:fact:
Nice lil flowkiller there :roll:
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Originally Posted by EnJoY
I do apologize, I did not see that part of the post, should have asked Santa for a new pair of glasses if I hadn't been so naughty.
That loop was reassembled last month, neither the aluminum parts nor copper parts had any visible corrosion. My mixture in that loop was BASF Glysantin G48 aka G11/demineralized Water 15%/85% replaced every 2 years, although in newer loops I switched to BASF Glysantin G30 aka G12+ at 10% concentration.