Reviews and Previews only...no speculative info.
Previews
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4812
Perkam
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Reviews and Previews only...no speculative info.
Previews
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4812
Perkam
U will see one of the first Reviews here: http://www.awardfabrik.de/
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8...18largefx0.jpg
Source: http://www.awardfabrik.de/forum/show...&postcount=466
Ty for the heads up wombat :)
Perkam
That is insane...nearly twice as fast as the x1950? doesn't seem right..? anyywho..I thought I heard something about how these cards will be hard to overclock can anyone confirm? Thanks.. also any news on either dual core or dual pcb version ever coming out? thanks..!
The only thing I've heard about OCing and the G80 is that nvidia didn't want manufactures to OC it and sell it.
What is that to the left of the GPU and ram...it looks like an athlon xp????
Ramdac for the DVI outputs.
Why does it need it? Sorry offtopicQuote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
~Mike
Cos of high-clocked pixel processors with RAMDAC interference issues. Also chip itself is big and on-die RAMDAC would add additional transistors rwsulting in lower yields
http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/graph...11/898744.html
The GTS is disapponting in this (first?) chinese review. :mad:
Translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...%2F898744.html
GTS and GTX are cpu bottlenecked...oced GTS can hit 20k 05 on air with 3.8ghz c2d.
Perkam
Well, I think once all the numbers come in and NVIDIA shares the architecture, people will see that the GTS card might be a bit of a let down. That is, if 70% the performance of a GTX is dissappointing. The 7950GX2 and the 8800 GTS will be similar in OC testing.
The reason (where have we seen this before ;) ) :
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5...processjl7.jpg
GTX 256 MB raster buffer, 64 unified on vertex/geo step
GTS 128 MB raster buffer, 32 unified on vertex/geo step
Offtopic a tiny bit but doesnt anyone think that the 8800GTX and X1950XTX coolers look very reminiscent of each other??? They look so damn close in overall shape and fan placement...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radeon117X
ya but in shape etc it also looks like an evolution of the 7800 cooler.
I should just go away for a couple of days...wait for ocers to have the GTS in their hands...tear apart notions of its inferiority..and then come back.
Perkam
QFT! :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
It is a worthy replacement to the 7950GX2 without the hassle of SLI. So, no inferiority there. But, the performance of the GTX will be more significant than the delta between 7900GTX and the 7900GT, especially with AA and AF scaling. The benchmarks are little more than CPU tests for these cards. We really need to run the testing at 1920x1200 with 4x AA and 16x AF to see how the cards really scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
overclocking the 8800GTS will give it a good boost wich will put it ahead of the x1950XTX, all ATi can do atm si give the X1950XTX a good price drop. Question is if they want todo that.
I will agree w/ you fully...but i will point out that you cant compare deltas on unified shader tech to deltas from last gen cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyH20
Or maybe if the can avoid it... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream
Naked retail 8800GTShttp://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1...0in0456zv1.jpg
Good god man...what use is a jpg if it loads as slow as a bitmap ?Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Perkam
Not referring to a clock "delta" but a performance delta (change/difference).Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
so the card has only 10 mem chips afterall
Same memory density as GTX but 128 MB vertex/geo buffer versus the 256 MB on the GTX. And, now you see where the third card comes along. So, a GTX down clocked version soming soon and already identified in the driver INF files.
I hope for downclocked GTXs as well.. 8800GTS might be an improvement, but compared to it's bigger brother (at stock, Perkam, at stock ;)), it's just not worth saving the money, IMHO (if you have the money in the first place :p:)
Also, in the Chinese review, WTH happens in 3dmark05 to the 8800GTS' performance?? I sense chinese advertising there :nono:
Best Regards :toast:
Anyone else notice that in 3dmark03/05 adding 4xAA barely, and I mean BARELY effects the score, even at 1600x1200? Sounds to me like with a little driver tweaking the same may happen in games as well.
Well, with newer cards, 03 and 05 are nothing but a CPU test. You really do have to crank up the resolutions to test out the card(s).
And then you'll have to look solely at the SM 2.0 and 3.0 scores, as the overall score will still be limited by your CPU ;)...Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyH20
On a side note, from the 8800GTS review, it says a 20% performance for the GTS compared to the GTX... Am I the only one thinking that's a hellofalot performance??? :slap:
Best Regards :toast:
That was at 1600x1200... The GTX takes less than a 1k performance hit for adding 4xAA and 16xAF in 03 and 05.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyH20
That's insane.
Today's the day... come on!!!!! When will there be an in-depth review???
I'm staying up all night for this. If the NDA is so stupid to even include a specific hour like say, 9:00 AM Eastern Time, then I just wasted my time watching the review websites like a hawk...:mad: :slapass:
VAPOR EDIT: rumor has it 11AM EST, if it says don't post unless you have a review link or a comment on a review....don't post unless you have a review link or a comment on a review
The first official Review of a BFG GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB Review is out.
http://www.awardfabrik.de/images/rev...800gtx/1/8.jpg
Very impressive SLI gains on 2K3 scores.
Agree, 60k in 03 ...
Any reports about the noise of the stock HSF? I imagine it to be louder than the X1900XTX
Quote:
Originally Posted by forumer
Impressive? Its obscene. :slobber: SLI should knock every game on its butt. Where's the Oblivion high res everything on test? :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Take a look at the GTS performance.....incredible.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/97...ion/index.html
Maybe not the best review since it's lacking proper AA+AF explorations, but wow hehe....
Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
corresponding:Quote:
Fortsetzung folgt
Im zweiten Teil des 8800GTX-Artikels, untersuchen wir Spiele in hoher Qualität und hohen Auflösungen. Als Vergleichskarten werden die nVidia 7950GX2 und die nVidia 7900GTX mit hinzugezogen. die Temperaturentwicklung wird ein weiteres Thema sein. Das endgültige Fazit rundet den nächsten Teil ab, zu dem wir Sie herzlich in den kommenden Tagen einladen möchten.
Sorry, nach den turbulenten letzten Tagen war einfach nicht mehr möglich!
due to the lack of time they'll release a part 2 of this review where they're going bench games in high resolutions/high quality. additionally, a comparison with the 7950gx2 and 7900gtx is planned.
i'm looking forward to part2 of the review - impatientness is killing me :D
8800gtx vs. 1950xtx in single and sli/crossfire done here by the inquirer
http://uk.theinquirer.net/images/articles/g80ecard.jpg
evga's acs3-edition
That will be the one I think, the cooler should do until someone comes out with a decent WCing block. Im just sitting here with my credit card itching.
if anybody finds some high rez tests done with SLI on AM2 platform please let us know.
a tester i know has seemingly found that the 975 chipset is actually the bottleneck at high rez...
when tested on AM2 the scores were far greater :o
so now i'm thinking in SLI at high rez this may become even more shockingly apparent
HeavyWeight Reviewers taking their time :rolleyes:
Not to mention the primary rule when buying an 8800 will now be:
Bottleneck, bottleneck, bottleneck.
Perkam
Heheh.. awardfabrik.de couldn't find a lint brush for their photo op..
Review pulled from the site....?Quote:
Originally Posted by forumer
Review prolly done with cards with defective transistors but didn't show symptoms...Quote:
Originally Posted by NightCrawler™
Perkam
yup exactly what this tester found...Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
much to his supprise the AM2 platform was producing better benches and higher framerates in games than a 4ghz conroe when running 1600rez or above...
also he said running 1:1 gave a big boost in '05 which tends to indicate chipset latency is the real bottleneck at high end gamers resolutions..
this might mean that for the high end gamer AMD could be the platform to have :O
anyway it will be very interesting if someone could test this strange situation for us
Intriguing hypothesis...will have to be proven in house though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by flytek
Perkam
Two reviews, but they are using a FX-62.
Motherboards.org
Gamepyre
Wow....someone can't read. 11am pst.
:welcome: To the forums Mohit :)
Silver Bullet, awesome links :up: Will add to first post shortly.
Wicked...wth are you talking about ?
I felt quite elated when i saw this:
http://www.gamepyre.com/images/reviews/783_p10_6.gif
GTS @ 3dmark05 @ 1600x1200: 12,000
:sob: We're finally evolving with every new architecture :( :)
Perkam
This all settles it...
It's DEFINITELY 100% unified, and NOT a hybrid.
man, the H reviuew got taken down.... is hte NDA still not expired?
Should be just one more hour....
2pm eastern i believe
Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
So what about this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyH20
It is still a unified architecture. There are basically two steps. It is actually a little more efficient than pumping the vertex/geo primitves back through to the same cores. Instead, they have reserved a certain amount of unified shaders for certain functions.
Take a look at the reviews, like the one at [H].Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
It's DEFINITELY a unified part.
Review @ XF: http://www.xf.ro/content-182.html (unfortunetly for some of you is in romanian :D).
We read chinese on a regular basis...romanian is no problem ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by korby
Perkam
Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
Here, some MSI 8800GTS Action..
http://www.chilehardware.com/review.php?file=200611081
http://www.chilehardware.com/modules...ionfiltros.png
awesome :D
GeForce 8800GTS (in Spanish)
http://www.chilehardware.com/review.php?file=200611081
http://www.chilehardware.com/modules...fd95716997.jpg
You are absolutely right :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
I love playing devil's advocate though.
Nvidia has really grown in my eyes now. They took the hit and went with the better performance. Awesome power management and awesome performance!
The 2 questions that remain now are:
1 - Will ATI produce something as powerful?
2 - Will I be able to wait for ATI to release something?
Nvidia is going to be riding the waves until next year.
Some more reviews:
Tech Report G80 Review
ChileHardware -> Awesome review...:)
slow image hosting :(
Perkam
Guru3d is being really slow, but there's a 27! page article on it!
And my it kicks ass, better than initial reviews. (sorry perk for any doubts :p)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/
Now...anyone want to donate me $750? ;)
www.nvidia.com is now all G80'ed out.
"Today NVIDIA announced the hard launch and immediate availability of our new flagship GeForce 8800 GPUs. Some recent reports on the web mention a BOM error (wrong resistor value) on initial GeForce 8800 GTX boards. All boards with this problem were purged from the production pipeline. Product on shelves is fully qualified and certified by NVIDIA and its board partners. We and our board partners stand behind these products and back them with our full warranty."
And just in case there's anyone left doubting, the official 8000 page says:
"Fully unified shader core dynamically allocates processing power to geometry, vertex, physics, or pixel shading operations, delivering an incredibly true-to-life 3D graphics"
The 8800 driver is also out here
http://download.nvidia.com/downloads...eless_360P.wmv :rofl:
FiringSquad has one up.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ew/default.asp
Also,
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...iew/page23.asp
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2679/q4oc1600pc2.gif
:slobber:
Has the sweet spot been found... We need more reviews like that^
WOW overclocked 8800GTS outperform 8800GTX in all benchmarks this card is a winner no mods stock cooling + this might be weak overclock for XS
________
Ducati Supersport 900
I am a little surprized this hasn't been posted I read it this morning with wife. Sorry I see it was posted. My bad
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
ditto.Quote:
I am a little surprized this hasn't been posted I read it this morning with wife. Sorry I see it was posted. My bad
Tomshardware :
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/08/geforce_8800/
Quote:
Originally Posted by Face
tomshardwares review doesnt rly show the full power (they use a FX-60).
but that should kind of represent the CPu power most of the users here got.
Oh wait...but has SOMEONE....someone we KNOW...someone on XS :eek: ... been blabbering ON and ON past few days about the potential of an oced GTS ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_at_Home
:shakes:
Perkam
You should know by now perky, on here people only listen to numbers, not what someone tells them those numbers will be.
The 8800GTS is no slouch, it just needs some overclocking loving to show it's stuff.
I agree...though saying that the GTS won't be as powerful is just as much an assumption as saying it will. ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Perkam
Any reviews compare 7900GTX SLI to 8800s?
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20.../index.x?pg=10Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...orce_8800_gtx/
nice review, but it's in german.
http://www.collectoybles.com.au/cata...super_hero.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by RaZz!
"Not for long Concerned Citizen !!"
ZAPP !!! ZOOM !!! ZINGER !!!
TADAA !!!
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...ce_8800_gtx%2F
"No need to thank MEE Concerned Citizen !!! The look on your geeky face says it all !! Up .. UP !!! AND AWAY !!!"
:p
Perkam
rofl ;D
AnandTech is up :
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870
8800GTX on Digital-Life with Core2Extreme OCED to 29300 MHz :D
Have any sites done a compare using the X6800 and the FX62 with these 8800gtx. I want to see if the results are the same.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
The best review so far.
Thank you so much.
broken
I wonder if they are going to release a 8800GT as there's an empty space for such card between these 2. I believe it would be more like a downclocked GTX in that case than sharing similiarity with GTS. I think this time they realised that 7900GT killed a lot of their GTX sale previously and this time they don't wanna make same mistake on the launch, instead they release this GTS with a bigger difference between the cards than just changing clock speed and also using other type of mem etc. But I wouldn't be that sure about Nvidia leaving it's "GT" part behind as it's been very important card for Nvidia but they're gonna release it as soon as time is right after the 1st wave bought both GTS & GTX at the risk of upsetting the new GTS owners somewhat.
Just pure speculation but to me it sounds very plausible.
Sry for bad english, google translation :)Quote:
Oh honestly. I would not really have thought that. There also Sparkle must stand. The mad map brought points on Tuesday still e.g. in the 3dmark05 14xxx. Then I wanted to again benchen from boredom on Wednesday and it came out as result only 5xxx Punke. I thought well the driver will be shot-up probably. Three times I put the OS on new. I got constant picture errors in the Canyon Fly, with Bf2 was black and transparent the houses. But above all the play world was computed in the Slow Motion effect. Quality sees differently out for the price.
I would say that the 8800GTS' problem is driver-related... In some games, it beats the crap out of the X1950XTX, and in others, it hits rockbottom...
Now, as it's using Unified shaders, it should be able to do almost optimally in all cases right??
Best Regards :toast:
MORE PROBLEMS WITH GF8800
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/7...3vd2kf4.th.png
Translation (google):
Very honoured customer, as MSI just communicated us, on the part of nVidia all (not only the Pressesamples, but all maps of all manufacturers) 8800er was recalled. As reason a defective diagram chip was indicated. So far it was called only some Pressesamples by it is there affected. We try to stop the distribution of all GPUs from MSI to. If they should receive nevertheless a GPU from us, refuse please the acceptance of the package. The GPUs are sent back now from the respective manufacturers to nVidia, where these are then exchanged as fast as possible for error free GPUs. As soon as the exchange is final, you will receive an error free GPU. We ask to excuse the circumstances, also we few minutes ago by this circumstance were only informed. [...]
Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
hmm i guess they are talking about the cards with the wrong resistor.
Nvidia seems to have pulled back all the affected cards on time but seems they missed out on this shop or the shop was contacted but reacted to slow.
Here's a compilation of all the reviews I can find on the net :)
Reviews:
Tweaktown
Inquirer
PConline.com (Chinese)
Gamepyre
Phoronix
Motherboards.org
[H]ardocp
XFProject (Romania)
Chilehardware (Spanish)
Guru3D
Techreport
Firingsquad
Techpowerup
AMDzone
Viperlair
Bjorn3D (technical analysis)
i4u
Hexus
Hothardware
Bit-tech
Neoseeker
Techpowerup (German)
Tomshardware (FX60 was used!)
Legit Reviews
Computerbase (German)
Anandtech
Digit-Life
Arstechnica (Introduction)
VR-Zone
PC Perspective
Techarp
OCworkbench
Reghardware
Tbreak
Gotfrag Hardware
The VR Zone review by Shimano is worth every page, all 28 of them :)
Indeed Great review written by a legend :)Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
________
Yamaha YZ125 specifications
Perk are you gonna update your first post like you normally do? Would be very useful.
Without a single doubt, within the next couple months (in time for Christmas), nVidia will make numerous fixes and in some cases dramatically improve performance in drivers.
To put things in perspective.
Back when 7900GTX was released, very little if any driver changes were needed. Likewise with 7800GTX. Even the 6800 series wasn't as drastic fundamental change as G80. It pretty much like when planes with jet engines first came out.. at first only slightly better than propeler planes.
please anyone have compare all 8800gtx cards out? thanks