Nvidia speeds up 80nm production schedule to beat ATI

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11-03-2006, 12:25 PM
Pinnacle

Nvidia speeds up 80nm production schedule to beat ATI

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While ATI prepares to roll out five 80nm grahics processor units (GPUs) in November, Nvidia plans to speed up its 80nm-production schedule of by rolling out revised versions of its G72 and G73 chips to compete with the rival, according to a Chinese-language Commercial Times report.

The revised versions of G73 (codenamed G73-B1) and G72, along with the highly anticipated G80, will be targeted to compete with ATI solutions from mid-range to high-end market segments, the paper noted.

rev.2 G80 :)

http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20061103PB208.html
11-03-2006, 12:35 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

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Originally Posted by Pinnacle

rev.2 G80 :)

http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20061103PB208.html

8900 already? lol, nvidia wastes no time squeezing people for cash.:p:
11-03-2006, 12:47 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

8900 already? lol, nvidia wastes no time squeezing people for cash.:p:

Likely holding it for the day the R600 shows up.
11-03-2006, 12:55 PM
onewingedangel

I would have thought g80 would have been 80nm, with the die shrink being down to 65nm.
11-03-2006, 01:00 PM
Pinnacle

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Likely holding it for the day the R600 shows up.

Well, no kidding silly:stick: :D
11-03-2006, 01:04 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Likely holding it for the day the R600 shows up.

Been saying that for a while :p...will continue to tell people that until r600 comes out :)

-> If you upgrade every 6 months...get G80...if you don't...then wait for G81.

Perkam
11-03-2006, 01:07 PM
bachus_anonym

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Originally Posted by Pinnacle

rev.2 G80 :)

I think you've misinterpreted that one - new revisions, but not for G80 just yet...
11-03-2006, 01:11 PM
Pinnacle

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Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

I think you've misinterpreted that one - new revisions, but not for G80 just yet...

No, and the G80 will be revisioned, thats what Im sayin. We will see something new

I shoulda said rev.2 G80 soon :)
11-03-2006, 01:26 PM
XSAlliN

To beat what? - ATi has nothing at the moment, except those silly news that run on inquirer (a la Fuad).

PS.This is like the old story's whit Dragons that my granny used to tel me.

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No, and the G80 will be revisioned, thats what Im sayin. We will see something new

This is nothing - wait till GF 8900GTX comes out (GDDR4) :)
11-03-2006, 01:29 PM
afireinside

It would be downright stupid to release a new rev 80nm 8800 without going to GDDR4 as well. They will likely launch 8900GTS/X on 80nm with GDDR4 the same time R600 comes out.
11-03-2006, 01:32 PM
nn_step

crank 'em to the wall
11-03-2006, 01:59 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

To beat what? - ATi has nothing at the moment, except those silly news that run on inquirer (a la Fuad).

PS.This is like the old story's whit Dragons that my granny used to tel me.

This is nothing - wait till GF 8900GTX comes out (GDDR4) :)

Gather all the that is out there right now on the R600, including the fact that anyone can buy an x360 and see what the performance of an r600 will be like (R500 and R600 are very close in fundemental concept)...now double all that information and you still don't have as much info as nvidia has on the r600...Nvidia isn't stupid...it knows whats coming and what it needs to be ready for it.

Perkam
11-03-2006, 02:00 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by perkam

Gather all the that is out there right now on the R600, including the fact that anyone can buy an x360 and see what the performance of an r600 will be like (R500 and R600 are very close in fundemental concept)...now double all that information and you still don't have as much info as nvidia has on the r600...Nvidia isn't stupid...it knows whats coming and what it needs to be ready for it.

Perkam

partially true
with about triple the performance in theory of course
11-03-2006, 02:09 PM
Sumanji

Is 80nm the half node process between 90nm and 65nm? If so, I highly doubt G81 will be any smaller than 80nm. At best it will include GDDR4 support as previously mentioned...
11-03-2006, 06:01 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by perkam

Been saying that for a while :p...will continue to tell people that until r600 comes out :)

-> If you upgrade every 6 months...get G80...if you don't...then wait for G81.

Perkam

Personally, I won't be upgrading again for awhile after buying the 8800GTX, and unfortunately I can't wait or I'll miss tax season. :(
11-03-2006, 07:20 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Personally, I won't be upgrading again for awhile after buying the 8800GTX, and unfortunately I can't wait or I'll miss tax season. :(

LOL

I can't blame you !! They're so farkin beautiful !!! :cry:

Perkam
11-03-2006, 07:28 PM
Pinnacle

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Originally Posted by perkam

LOL

I can't blame you !! They're so farkin beautiful !!! :cry:

Perkam

We are all in nerd love ;)
11-04-2006, 05:16 AM
XSAlliN

Actually things go something like this:

- In the last few months ATi's (or AMD's) latest release of X1650 Pro/XT - X1950 Pro/XT was just a way to free their stock, nVidia fallowed the same track but tried to give a preview on their future products whit GF 8800 GS/GTX (they give us a bone (a long bone) to chew for XMAS) and now they try to reinvent the weal :)?

- We all know that on XMAS prices go down, so it's not worth launching a product at this time of year (at least not from the future generation), the demands would be High (major production problems) and the price would be lower - so this is one of the reasons that lead to this delay (R600).

- What ATi R600 can and can not do, that's another point of view - you are aware that XBOX 360 isn't that expensive if you thing about all the package but this was M$ idea for the general public (ATi's deal whit M$ about the GPU is a different story which doesn't concern us) but on VGA market ATi/nVidia alone have the final word on the price so which as usual doesn't stand up to the performance they give (difference between Mainstream and High-End).

-Short Story: - it's all about marketing, we all know that ATi's R600 from High-End class will be made for early dreams (few people will afford to buy this things) but the present products or not intended as Big Rivals (you wouldn't be able to compare them whit what's next), they are just pion's on a chess board, one of the big wars (because they'll be more to follow) will be set for 2007, there is no real competition now unless ATi decides to launch a preview like nVidia.

PS.I don't like this small battles because it's not much to be seen, a few more FPS in Games doesn't get me exited ;)
11-04-2006, 06:06 AM
dinos22

well it looks like the lower end cards will go to 80nm first from what i can understand after reading that brief link
11-04-2006, 06:20 AM
AshkenAZoNi

Xsallin I liked your summary :P
11-04-2006, 07:56 AM
thephenom

I thought X1950 Pro and X1650 were 80nm parts....
11-04-2006, 08:01 AM
***Deimos***

who said they arent??
11-04-2006, 02:35 PM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

shouldn't ati be able to put out a 65nm chip now with amd?
11-04-2006, 02:39 PM
[XC] Lead Head

Yes, but not for a few years
11-04-2006, 02:41 PM
XSAlliN

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Originally Posted by Qkjhfhaiguihfma

shouldn't ati be able to put out a 65nm chip now with amd?

Nope - to early for that :fact:
11-04-2006, 02:56 PM
osiris999

im gonna have to wait and see on this one
11-05-2006, 10:17 AM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

Nope - to early for that :fact:

i don't understand why (i'm not an engineer). if amd has cpu's working at 65n why can't amd engineer go over and help ati engineer get things going?
11-05-2006, 10:55 AM
***Deimos***

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Originally Posted by Qkjhfhaiguihfma

i don't understand why (i'm not an engineer). if amd has cpu's working at 65n why can't amd engineer go over and help ati engineer get things going?

because chips are designed for specific manufacturing process.

ie. Intel couldnt take existing 130nm P4 deisng to an IBM fab and produce a working 130nm chip. Many things would need to be adjusted (a highlight of reasons includes SOI, copper, different geometries, different dopant/methods)

likewise, Intel cant just take existing set of 90nm masks and just make everything like 30% smaller and expect to have 65nm workout. It wouldn't work at all.

So what usually happens and what you hear about is while researchers and scientists are working on say 45nm and defining the optimal parameters, engineers will be designing the chip with those parameters in mind, with timeline such that the manufacturing process will be ready and up to good-yields by the time the chip is supposed to come to market.

(note: there are a few cases where there is fab "compatibility"... I recall something about like Chartered making Athlon chips.. ie calibrate machines to same standard of "optimal" parameters)
11-05-2006, 03:35 PM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

because chips are designed for specific manufacturing process.

ie. Intel couldnt take existing 130nm P4 deisng to an IBM fab and produce a working 130nm chip. Many things would need to be adjusted (a highlight of reasons includes SOI, copper, different geometries, different dopant/methods)

likewise, Intel cant just take existing set of 90nm masks and just make everything like 30% smaller and expect to have 65nm workout. It wouldn't work at all.

So what usually happens and what you hear about is while researchers and scientists are working on say 45nm and defining the optimal parameters, engineers will be designing the chip with those parameters in mind, with timeline such that the manufacturing process will be ready and up to good-yields by the time the chip is supposed to come to market.

(note: there are a few cases where there is fab "compatibility"... I recall something about like Chartered making Athlon chips.. ie calibrate machines to same standard of "optimal" parameters)

thanks. your name is a moon of mars and that's cool btw
11-05-2006, 09:11 PM
***Deimos***

better than phobos, ganemede or charon -_-
11-06-2006, 06:48 PM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

better than phobos, ganemede or charon -_-

hey now, don't be hating on ganymede.
11-07-2006, 09:29 AM
Metroid

Nvidia is always 1 step ahead the competition. it has beaten the arch rival long time ago, but some of the people think differently. I put all my hopes over R600. Let's see what Dammit could do.
11-07-2006, 09:32 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by Metroid

Nvidia is always 1 step ahead the competition. it has beaten the arch rival long time ago, but some of the people think differently. I put all my hopes over R600. Let's see what Dammit could do.

The delay in R5xx only allowed Nvidia to catch up after 9700/5800 fiasco.

But...DAAMIT will slow down production/distribution of non-server products from ATI.

Perkam
11-07-2006, 09:39 AM
Revv23

i feel like ati is going to do the same thing as last year and release its r600 and then the refresh for it within a few weeks of each other.
11-07-2006, 09:40 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by Revv23

i feel like ati is going to do the same thing as last year and release its r600 and then the refresh for it within a few weeks of each other.

Won't happen. R600 will be around for a while before a refresh. It's going to be a tad more thought out than G80...seeing as G80 has been under NV's wings since Jan 06.

Perkam
11-07-2006, 10:39 AM
XSAlliN

That depends on the public request, whit the energy required to use them and the price on those things, I doubt that they'll create a Gold rush like they did whit the other generations, it's nice to know that they exist and the rich class will clear some stocks but that's all.

A good example from the real world, from the auto domain it's Ferrari and Lamborghini - they represent some of the most powerful cars for Sport, but the price and fuel consumption leave much to desire, not many people rush to buy those cars do they? :)

Ok maybe it's not the best example but it's a good comparison from a simple point a view if you know what I mean ;)