The new "what's Your insulation on LGA775 to avoid condensation" poll........

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10-23-2006, 02:02 PM
camouflage

The new "what's Your insulation on LGA775 to avoid condensation" poll........

As tiltle says - plz vote only if You are using socket 775.........;)

Comments welcome - especially if Your chosen insulation works and if not what kind of hardware do You did lose.........:(

Any kind of advice also welcome !!!

Happy polling !!!

:toast:
10-23-2006, 02:21 PM
symphy

We ran an P5W DH with X6800 more than 7 hours using dryice and a... really bad brazed container. Mounting was terrible, no donout unter the holddown plate... but the insulation with armaflex and nail polish worked very good (better than expected)...

Next time i'll use plastic spray and more armaflex (and a better container) to avoid condensation 100%...
10-23-2006, 02:31 PM
Kesnel

This is how I insulated my DQ6 for few weeks until I RMAed the board due to an issue unrelated to phase usage. Only neoprene and PCB laquer.

http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/ha...ion_small1.jpg

http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/ha...ion_small2.jpg

http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/ha...ion_small3.jpg

http://members.aol.com/jonpaletta/ha...ion_small4.jpg

No grease and RMA friendly too.
10-23-2006, 03:16 PM
Dimas

i really like the work of barbonenet on the bad axe, he use only neopren...
bat condensor on that board are not so confortable for insulation.

link here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=105942
10-23-2006, 05:09 PM
afireinside

Nailpolish ALL OVER, load of grease in the sockets, grease on the caps, and closed cell foam. Looking back it was massive overkill for dry ice but after hearing of all the deaths I wasn't taking any chances.
10-23-2006, 05:10 PM
kayl

Neopreen and only grease on the socket

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3...headac9.th.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7735/onps3.th.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3...ion1id2.th.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/364...ion2dw2.th.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6...8327mt6.th.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4...8353ec4.th.jpg
10-23-2006, 11:04 PM
camouflage

;) Wow - nice comments and most of all nice pics !!!

Thanks to all who have posted so far - this thread might be helpful to all who are starting on phase change and need infos on insulation.......:clap:

:toast:
10-24-2006, 02:50 AM
El Snorro

Great thread!

I only placed neophrene on my first try (mach2 gt modded) but this was no good..
Got condensation, board dried 3 days and booted up fine @air, now I'm going to use nail polish, grease and neophrene and it should be fine imo :)
10-24-2006, 06:32 AM
qdemn7

What about the use of brush-on or spray-on Conformal Coatings instead of nail polish? I know MG Chemicals makes some silicone based ones. :confused:
10-24-2006, 08:35 AM
Highland3r

Small amount of nail polish over critial areas.
Then use Neoprene cut to create a seal over the CPU when donut fitted.
Added some grease/vaseline over any "holes" tho it's not been necessary so far after 6+ hour DICE session and multiple phase runs.
10-24-2006, 08:58 AM
andre X_X

Neoprene, Nail Polish, grease on socket and lots on board....
LOL, i live at 95% Humidity. anything below ambient = condensate...
now im going phase 24/7 condensate free... of course with Aircon turned on.... Humidity su@ks.. :mad:
10-24-2006, 01:31 PM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by andre X_X

Neoprene, Nail Polish, grease on socket and lots on board....
LOL, i live at 95% Humidity. anything below ambient = condensate...
now im going phase 24/7 condensate free... of course with Aircon turned on.... Humidity su@ks.. :mad:

:eek: Oh I feel with You - friends of mine just came back from Bali to Europe and they can really confirm the hi humidity...... :slapass:

:toast:
10-24-2006, 07:16 PM
Gautam

I voted neoprene and grease only- though that's not fully accurate for me, because I used it outside of the socket too where necessary, to fill up any cracks in the neoprene. The key to getting it right is to cut the neoprene perfectly to fit with the capacitors and inductors, at least as close to as possible. Irritating, but it works, and is air-tight, literally.
10-25-2006, 04:55 AM
Nosfer@tu

I use sealstring around the Socket 775 and the standard LS mount.
10-25-2006, 05:52 AM
Nephilim

I could swear I replied to this thread... maybe comp crashed from condensation? lol.

Anyway... I have nailpolish on smd's and legs of mosfets and other components, then around the base of caps and anything that has any air under it insulated with silicone.

Around the socket insulated with silicone, inside filled with grease.

Neoprene cut too fit AROUND torroidals and caps and then sealed with silicone in case of any gaps.

Foam used to fill in gaps in socket, one piece fell off for this picture (you can see where) but I put it back on.

Retension bar insulated in silicone.

Rear of board has a 6mm thick piece of neoprene attached with silicone.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/Nephilim666/13.jpg
10-25-2006, 07:18 AM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosfer@tu

I use sealstring around the Socket 775 and the standard LS mount.

:rolleyes: This is an interesting combination - just thought about it today and wanted to post the question if someone tried it - but You've been faster...:p:

If this works 100% condensation free I think it's a fine solution, only Neoprene & Seal String, easy to remove and no need for grease, spray & nail polish.

Somebody else tried this combonation yet?:confused:

:toast:
10-25-2006, 03:49 PM
rick_fx

Quote:

Originally Posted by camouflage

Thanks to all who have posted so far - this thread might be helpful to all who are starting on phase change and need infos on insulation.......

Since I'll be on phase change in less than a week, I find this thread quite helpfull :)

Has anyone thought of removing the stock CPU retention clip? Seems like condensation could form under it ....

Or should I just put vaseline under there?
10-25-2006, 11:52 PM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick_fx

Since I'll be on phase change in less than a week, I find this thread quite helpfull :)

:D Thanks mate - may the condensation devil never come thru Your door..;)
10-26-2006, 12:11 AM
kcnyc

I have been using the stock Mach 2 GT S775 retention system. Works so far.......used it for like a week now. No other insulation needed. :)
10-26-2006, 01:02 AM
fatty

I use a bit of a mix I use a rear plate with a mach2 heater element in the bottom and dielectric grease and seal string for the front neoprene gaskets and dielectric grease, this combo has seen me through both mach2 and cascade with no problems

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/a...ture%20001.jpg

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/a...%20003%7E0.jpg

May not be as neat as some of the others but does the job
10-26-2006, 04:52 AM
rick_fx

Quote:

Originally Posted by camouflage

:D Thanks mate - may the condensation devil never come thru Your door..;)

It better not ..... I dont want to lose my good e6700 :)

PCB lacquer on back of mobo, nail polish around socket area, vaseline in/around socket & under caps and neoprene should do the job.
11-13-2006, 04:45 AM
FragTek

Glad I stumbled upon this thread. I just picked up a VapoLS which will be here this week and I've been trying to decide on exactly which measures I should take to condensation-proof my setup. It looks like the general consensus is that greasing the socket is the way to go. I don't particularly want to do this as I may be upgrading mobo's soon and cleaning up that mess can't be fun. I have seen a few posts where people claim that just the foam will be good enough on a stock LS.

So the question is... To cake the socket, or not to cake the socket?

One more thing; any specific type of nail polish that works best (preferably clear)?

Thx yall. :wave:

P.S. I also have a friend who is going to TEC his Conroe, should he take the same measures as a phaser for condensation proofing?
11-13-2006, 05:26 AM
Nosfer@tu

Quote:

Originally Posted by FragTek

Glad I stumbled upon this thread. I just picked up a VapoLS which will be here this week and I've been trying to decide on exactly which measures I should take to condensation-proof my setup. It looks like the general consensus is that greasing the socket is the way to go. I don't particularly want to do this as I may be upgrading mobo's soon and cleaning up that mess can't be fun. I have seen a few posts where people claim that just the foam will be good enough on a stock LS.

So the question is... To cake the socket, or not to cake the socket?

One more thing; any specific type of nail polish that works best (preferably clear)?

Thx yall. :wave:

P.S. I also have a friend who is going to TEC his Conroe, should he take the same measures as a phaser for condensation proofing?

I see no need for greesing.

But find some sealstring and use that 2 :) I do just to make sure.
11-13-2006, 09:41 AM
FragTek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosfer@tu

I see no need for greesing.

But find some sealstring and use that 2 :) I do just to make sure.

so does the 775 mounting kit not come with any sort of socket or mobo insulation?
11-13-2006, 12:23 PM
Athens[2004]

I had condensation tommorow with 5-6 hours of benching . I think 775 cant insulated properly [or it's to difficult compared with 939 or 478 ]cause of those metal plate around the cpu .
11-13-2006, 12:45 PM
Seufari

Quote:

Originally Posted by Athens[2004]

I had condensation tommorow with 5-6 hours of benching . I think 775 cant insulated properly [or it's to difficult compared with 939 or 478 ]cause of those metal plate around the cpu .

Thats not good to hear...

How many of you guys run sub ambient 24/7?
11-13-2006, 01:35 PM
Revv23

this is a good insulation job:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119275

Check it out.
11-13-2006, 01:44 PM
Viss

For me nailpolish on both sides of the board where mach kit is and grease in socket.
11-13-2006, 01:51 PM
El Snorro

Quote:

Originally Posted by loc.o

For me nailpolish on both sides of the board where mach kit is and grease in socket.

Thats exactly what I am gonna do, after having problems with condensation in my last Single stage mount (only sealstring on caps en neophrene pad+donut)
11-13-2006, 02:41 PM
FragTek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

this is a good insulation job:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119275

Check it out.

That doesn't sound good at all. I think to be on the safe side i'm going to nail polish all around the socket area on both sides, then foam tape around the socket quite a bit, and then finally grease the socket, sounds like the only really good way to keep it from producing condensation in the socket.
11-13-2006, 04:22 PM
camouflage

:rolleyes: All the insulation stuff relly sucks - especially when replacing a chip...........:stick:

So best thing here might be to move to outerspace and keep on OCing there -no oxygen = no condensation......................:p:

:toast:
11-13-2006, 05:01 PM
FragTek

I'll ask again: Does the LGA775 mounting kit for the Vapo not come with foam for around the socket? The pictures I've seen of the mounting kit doesn't show any mobo/socket insulation :(
11-13-2006, 05:20 PM
Revv23

Quote:

Originally Posted by FragTek

That doesn't sound good at all. I think to be on the safe side i'm going to nail polish all around the socket area on both sides, then foam tape around the socket quite a bit, and then finally grease the socket, sounds like the only really good way to keep it from producing condensation in the socket.

Not good at all? Hirpro runs for hours at a time with ln2 insulated that way.
11-13-2006, 07:12 PM
FragTek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

Not good at all? Hirpro runs for hours at a time with ln2 insulated that way.

Sorry dude I totally quoted the wrong post... My bad!! :slap:

Hipro's work is absolutely amazing.
11-13-2006, 07:29 PM
|RickY|

24/7 for me is with heaters and neoprene. thats why i like vapochill ls mounting kit or promy head with neoprene, sealstring works but its to dirty for me!

for bench, neoprene, nail and grease and ice all over the board :D
11-13-2006, 07:44 PM
FragTek

Quote:

Originally Posted by |RickY|

24/7 for me is with heaters and neoprene. thats why i like vapochill ls mounting kit or promy head with neoprene, sealstring works but its to dirty for me!

for bench, neoprene, nail and grease and ice all over the board :D

You don't grease the socket, just use the heaters and neoprene and have no probs??
11-13-2006, 07:52 PM
n00b 0f l337

Thats a bit of vapochill for you Frag ;)
11-15-2006, 05:21 AM
Nosfer@tu

Quote:

Originally Posted by FragTek

You don't grease the socket, just use the heaters and neoprene and have no probs??

Yes that is good enough dude :)

Just set the heaters to 100 % = 5 Watt :)

And if you fell unsafe, I was unsafe because of a stupid error in the socket kit.

If you get reversion 1.2 or 1.3 of the socket 775 for Vapo LS you are :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed.
I goot the newer reversion but was afraid becaus I had condensation problems, that is why I use sealstring in the retension mecanism.

And when I change cpu I just take a bit of it out and Sneak the cpu out :)

Use sealstring around the metal renesion socket and in the retension plate corners.

Dont need to do it at the caps, just use the neopren you revcive from asetek.
11-15-2006, 05:23 AM
Nosfer@tu

Quote:

Originally Posted by camouflage

:rolleyes: This is an interesting combination - just thought about it today and wanted to post the question if someone tried it - but You've been faster...:p:

If this works 100% condensation free I think it's a fine solution, only Neoprene & Seal String, easy to remove and no need for grease, spray & nail polish.

Somebody else tried this combonation yet?:confused:

:toast:

Sorry for the old quote, But it really works GREAT for a standard LS :)

Maybe not for the moddet once but I doubth it :D
11-15-2006, 08:12 AM
FragTek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosfer@tu

Yes that is good enough dude :)

Just set the heaters to 100 % = 5 Watt :)

And if you fell unsafe, I was unsafe because of a stupid error in the socket kit.

If you get reversion 1.2 or 1.3 of the socket 775 for Vapo LS you are :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed.
I goot the newer reversion but was afraid becaus I had condensation problems, that is why I use sealstring in the retension mecanism.

And when I change cpu I just take a bit of it out and Sneak the cpu out :)

Use sealstring around the metal renesion socket and in the retension plate corners.

Dont need to do it at the caps, just use the neopren you revcive from asetek.

I know it would be a PITA, but any chance of some pix? :) Thx in advance.
11-23-2006, 05:07 AM
Tutto

What is "seal string" and where can I get it? Thx
11-23-2006, 05:22 AM
Moc

where do you live?
11-23-2006, 05:39 AM
FragTek

Just to report back on this... I just used the provided neoprene and heaters, and everything seems to be running condensation free :D With the processor installed I greased all around the top of the retention bracket where there's a gap between the bracket and the IHS so that nothing would form in those spots and I haven't had any probs yet... w00t!
11-23-2006, 05:44 AM
Tutto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moc

where do you live?

Miami, Florida
11-24-2006, 01:59 AM
jplikesnos

Can someone please link to the types of materials they are using? Does not matter what country just examples of the nail polish, grease, Neopreen and spray? that they use.

Thanks!
11-24-2006, 02:31 AM
El Snorro

did my insulation job yesterday on p5b-deluxe.
Used lots of nail polish (socket area and back of mobo). After that grease at socket area, inside socket and at the back of mobo.
At the back of my mobo I also put a heater between my neophrene (stock mach2 heater (7,2w)) which I can use as option.
I also cut out neophrene for socket area and I i also clamped neoprhene at back of mobo. hopefully is good for benching (single stage and DICE) and 24/7 SS use.
11-24-2006, 06:41 AM
Seufari

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Snorro

did my insulation job yesterday on p5b-deluxe.
Used lots of nail polish (socket area and back of mobo). After that grease at socket area, inside socket and at the back of mobo.
At the back of my mobo I also put a heater between my neophrene (stock mach2 heater (7,2w)) which I can use as option.
I also cut out neophrene for socket area and I i also clamped neoprhene at back of mobo. hopefully is good for benching (single stage and DICE) and 24/7 SS use.

You wouldnt happen to have any pictures would you?
11-24-2006, 09:37 AM
El Snorro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seufar

You wouldnt happen to have any pictures would you?

guess what?;)
sorry for bad pic quality:mad:
http://img.techpowerup.org/061124/Afbeelding 001.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/061124/Afbeelding 003.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/061124/Afbeelding 004.jpg
11-24-2006, 11:19 AM
tjelaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Snorro

guess what?;)
sorry for bad pic quality:mad:
pic
pic
pic

How did u apply grease inside the socket? Did u put it in the center? Or also over all the contact points?

I know whith the other sockets u just smear it all over the socket, but since the 775 doesnt have pins, doesnt the grease block the contact between the socket and cpu?
11-24-2006, 11:59 AM
n00b 0f l337

Personally for grease I apply it incredibly lightly to the socket with a paint brush, barely enough to clear the pins, then I push the cpu down, twist a tiny bit, then push down the bracket.
11-24-2006, 12:30 PM
Viss

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjelaw

How did u apply grease inside the socket? Did u put it in the center? Or also over all the contact points?

I know whith the other sockets u just smear it all over the socket, but since the 775 doesnt have pins, doesnt the grease block the contact between the socket and cpu?

If you use grease all over not just middle square. Have a look at this post for example.

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