Asus 8800gtx/gts

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10-23-2006, 08:14 AM
mascaras

Asus 8800gtx/gts

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NVIDIA forbids factory overclocking of G80

NVIDIA has told all its partners that it will not allow for factory overclocking of it's cards. NVIDIA wants vendors to stick to the core and memory clocks that it sets, to prevent fiascos like what happened to the 7900GT. Overclocked editions of the card caused a very high return rate of the cards, and NVIDIA just does not want that to happen again.

http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=35244

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Nvidia's G80 has problems

NVIDIA IS GIVING out G80 cards to editors' day attendees but no real drivers. Why on earth would Nvidia need to do that?

What is broken? Well, it seems G80 has a lot broken, some that will be fixed before launch, and some may be harder to fix.

Drivers on the 25th October will fix SLI, as we understand it is pretty badly borked in the current release. How badly? Enough to crash almost every time, said one source, and so basically unusable.

We have a lot of confidence this will be fixed before launch, possibly in the driver set we told you about earlier.I would only rate this as a corporate embarrassment that will hopefully never leak due to "strong and respected NDAs". The "editors" are wearing chastity belts designed to preserve the new Dawn's virginity.

The more troubling news is that we hear HDCP is badly borked in the first rev. Since we are not sure if this problem is hardware or software, if you care about jumping on the DRM infection train, you might want to look long and hard before you buy a G80.

Nvidia has something of a history of shipping broken functionality and not so much as correcting it on the box. Wait for independent reviews from people not wearing chastity belts that test this before you buy.

Last up, we hear that in the forthcoming 95 series drivers the classic display panels are gone for good. We plan to be holding a candlelight vigil for them at One Inquirer Tower on All Hallows Eve. Punch and pie will be served, along with mournful singers and a goth/emo kid moping in the corner.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35271

BTW:

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>>> ASUS 8800<<< :

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EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M , is: USD $540 (FOB).
EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M , is: USD $410 (FOB).

ASUS Exclusive Innovations

**HDCP Compliant: Allow playback of HD DVD, Blu-Ray Disc and other protected content at full HDresolutions

**Built for Microsoft Windows Vista

**ASUS Splendid: Watching movies on PC is as good as on Top-of-the-line consumer television

ASUS Video Security Online: Keep an eye on your home at all times no matter where you are

**ASUS Game LiveShow: Stream live gaming action onto the internet and share with other gaming enthusiast

ASUS Game Replay: Recording gaming action and strategy into MPEG4 files to share with other gaming enthusiast

**ASUS Game FaceMessenger: Easy IM and live game conference in any PC games

**ASUS OnScreenDisplay: Adjust the fame settings and enhance gaming experience without leaving the game

>>>Graphics GPU Feature

�� NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX

�� Built for Microsoft Windows Vista �� NVIDIA SLI Technology ready
�� NVIDIA unified architecture with GigaThread technology
�� Full support for Microsoft DirectX10.0 and ShaderModel 4.0 enables stunning and complex specialeffects
�� OpenGL 2.0 support
�� NVIDIA Quantum Effects Technology
�� True 128-bit floating point high dynamic-range (HDR) lighting
�� Two dual-link DVI outputs support two 2560x1600 resolution displays

>>>Hardware Specification

Model　　　　　　　　　　　　　EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M

Graphics Engine :　　　　　　　　　　　 GeForce 8800GTX
Video Memory 　　　　　　　　　　　　: 768MB DDR3
Engine Clock : 575MHz
Memory Clock: 　　　　　　　　　　　　 1.8GHz (900MHz DDR3)
Memory Interface: 　　　　　　　　　　 384-bit
Max. Resolution :　　　　　　　　　　　 Up to 2560 x 1600

Bus Standard 　　　　　　　　　　　　　PCI Express X16
VGA Output 　　　　　　　　　　　　　YES, via DVI to VGA Adapter
HDTV Output 　　　　　　　　　　　　 YES, via HDTV Out cable
TV Output 　　　　　　　　　　　　　 YES, via S-Video to Composite
DVI Output 　　　　　　　　　　　　　 DVI-I
Dual DVI Output 　　　　　　　　　　　 YES
HDCP Compliant 　　　　　　　　　　　 YES

Adaptor/Cable Bundled 　 DVI to VGA adapter
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 Power Cable*2
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 HDTV-out cable

>>>Software Bundled 　　　　3D Game:

Ghost Recon, GTI Racing
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 3Dmark06
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 ASUS Utilities & Driver

[圖三]
Specifications are subject to change without notice.
•PCB color and bundled software versions are change without notice.
•Brand and product names mentioned are trademarks of their respective company.
�� Note: Two 6-pins supplementary power connectors inside the box

Source: http://bbs.mychat.to/read.php?tid=578438

the prices are not bad at all :

ASUS 8800GTX = 540$

ASUS 8800GTS = 410$

EDIT: this prices seems NOT to be Public prices :(

regards
10-23-2006, 08:26 AM
Lightman

OMG! :slobber:

I was expecting $600 or even more!
10-23-2006, 08:28 AM
NightCrawler™

We'll see what's wrong when the reviews hit the net....

The only thing I see wrong with it is the cooler.... my god it's ugly..... /vomits
10-23-2006, 08:29 AM
ChongL

I can't wait :slobber:
10-23-2006, 08:30 AM
One_Hertz

for that price I might get two... At this point I am afraid that a 4ghz conroe will bottleneck those babies though.
10-23-2006, 08:57 AM
syne_24

When will the 8900GTX/GTX be out? I might just skip this one and wait for a better revision. Not that bad of a price tho, should be under $500 by Christmas.
10-23-2006, 09:04 AM
arisythila

Im running the 7950GX2. I'd much rather run 1 core than 2 GPU cores.

Im gonna pick one up.. and the price is EVEN better than expected!

~Mike
10-23-2006, 09:05 AM
thunderstruck!

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2654/mountainib8.jpg
10-23-2006, 09:09 AM
lowfat

I don't see why they moved away from the cooler used on the 7900GTX, that thing was a beast. No way these new coolers will perform as well.
10-23-2006, 09:18 AM
nn_step

ummm is it just me or does that board not have any DVM? And the spare PCB area looks way too small to filter all that voltage effectively without it
10-23-2006, 09:21 AM
freecableguy

Expect that they will retail at $629-649 regardless of MSRP.
10-23-2006, 09:24 AM
Charles Wirth

I can assure you all the Inquirer has the facts completely wrong. They are guessing to why Nvidia did not supply drivers at that time and the answer is they were not complete/ready. It was better to withhold an incomplete driver at that time and wait a few days for proper driver controls to be finished completely in the time frame allowed back when dates were set for release.

As to the card instability, completely false as well.

HDCP, no one knows as the drivers are not that far along to know one way or the other yet, more guessing with a negative slant.
10-23-2006, 09:42 AM
Sneil

lol, Stupidass inquirer.
10-23-2006, 09:46 AM
Radeon117X

Those prices arent bad at all! Im liking this :) Hopefully performance is up to mark though....
10-23-2006, 09:53 AM
kemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

BTW:

the prices are not bad at all :

ASUS 8800GTX = 540$

ASUS 8800GTS = 410$

regards

cumprimentos

Great prices for a card made by Asus
We should expect lower prices from eVGA , XFX and Foxconn
Say 50$ lower on the 8800GTX 1 month from release
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marijuana vaporizers
10-23-2006, 09:53 AM
thephenom

Those are really cheap prices considering it's Asus since they usually sell for more than other AIBs like BFG, XFX and eVGA.
10-23-2006, 10:02 AM
Leon2ky

They say $410, we'll see 599.
10-23-2006, 10:06 AM
_JP_

I think those prices are for retailers and not to public :confused:
10-23-2006, 10:27 AM
Elfear

Quote:

Originally Posted by _JP_

I think those prices are for retailers and not to public :confused:

Sadly, I imagine you are correct.
10-23-2006, 10:28 AM
mursaat

Anyway, is HDCP being finally used? Really few TV sets sold in Spain have this. I'm wonder if they'll have the *uts to tell all that people, in less than 6-9 months, to throw away their [pricey, sometimes +6000€] investment and buy another TV.
10-23-2006, 10:38 AM
Nanometer

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Originally Posted by thunderstruck!

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2654/mountainib8.jpg

Heheheahaha :D Picture saved!
10-23-2006, 10:39 AM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUGGER

I can assure you all the Inquirer has the facts completely wrong. They are guessing to why Nvidia did not supply drivers at that time and the answer is they were not complete/ready. It was better to withhold an incomplete driver at that time and wait a few days for proper driver controls to be finished completely in the time frame allowed back when dates were set for release.

As to the card instability, completely false as well.

the instability was refering to SLI. So as of right now can you say SLI works or not does it crash when you try to use it?
10-23-2006, 10:44 AM
ewitte

Usually once the stock settles its less than MSRP. Of course the first few months are price gouging unless the availability is high... like that will ever happen.
10-23-2006, 10:47 AM
JoeBar

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Originally Posted by thunderstruck!

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2654/mountainib8.jpg

LoL this was good! :lol2:

As for the price, i highly doubt that we'll see something remotely close to that... :p:
10-23-2006, 10:52 AM
raccoonone

$500 not bad. *waiting for reviews*
10-23-2006, 11:05 AM
Starscream

HDCP not working i thought thats a good thing.

btw Theinq always blows stuff up.

when they see an out of focus pic of a Intel or AMD core their headlines are: AMD/Intel having huge yields issues.
10-23-2006, 11:28 AM
CBONE

That's the FOB price, expect to be raped at retail.
10-23-2006, 11:38 AM
Hicks

Place your orders now, if you want :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty drivers and shimmering.:D
10-23-2006, 11:38 AM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderstruck!

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2654/mountainib8.jpg

Yup.

Good news:

"G80 IS GONNA SUCK....G80 IS GONNA GO DOWN ... G80 IS FRIED...G80 HAS CRAPPY DRIVERS....G80 WILL HAVE NO REAL PERFORMANCE BOOST OVER G70"

All of the above...is untrue, will never happen, and will never be proven true for one reason: G80 has stream processors on it...unified shader if you will...that is what CPUs will get to in 2020...its tech that...though gpu companies have gotten to first...will make the G80 up to date for decades to come.

This IS the next 9700 ladies and gentlemen. No amount of criticism or badmouthing is going to change that...and thats coming from me...an avid ati fan.

Bad News:

It has the same stock memory clock as the upcoming X1950XT set to debut for $349 with 1.8Ghz DDR3 :doh:

Perkam
10-23-2006, 11:43 AM
arisythila

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hicks

Place your orders now, if you want :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty drivers and shimmering.:D

Says the ATI man.

~Mike
10-23-2006, 11:48 AM
Shift

Quote:

Originally Posted by arisythila

Says the ATI man.

~Mike

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=111274

:slap:
10-23-2006, 11:50 AM
theteamaqua

but 8800GTS only needs 1 PCI-E power connector right?
10-23-2006, 11:53 AM
Cybercat

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Yup.

Good news:

"G80 IS GONNA SUCK....G80 IS GONNA GO DOWN ... G80 IS FRIED...G80 HAS CRAPPY DRIVERS....G80 WILL HAVE NO REAL PERFORMANCE BOOST OVER G70"

All of the above...is untrue, will never happen, and will never be proven true for one reason: G80 has stream processors on it...unified shader if you will...that is what CPUs will get to in 2020...its tech that...though gpu companies have gotten to first...will make the G80 up to date for decades to come.

This IS the next 9700 ladies and gentlemen. No amount of criticism or badmouthing is going to change that...and thats coming from me...an avid ati fan.

Bad News:

It has the same stock memory clock as the upcoming X1950XT set to debut for $349 with 1.8Ghz DDR3 :doh:

Perkam

eh, that's just to save yields. What matters most is the bus width. Clockspeeds are just the surface of any chip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hicks

Place your orders now, if you want :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty drivers and shimmering.:D

I must be a genius, because I seem to be one of just a few people who actually know to disable anisotropic sample optimization. The result: virtually no shim. Funny you can't fine tune settings like that in ATI's drivers. Guess that's two birds with one stone.
10-23-2006, 11:54 AM
One_Hertz

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBONE

That's the FOB price, expect to be raped at retail.

thank god I pay FOB prices for all my hardware.
10-23-2006, 11:59 AM
CBONE

Quote:

Originally Posted by One_Hertz

thank god I pay FOB prices for all my hardware.

How are you pulling that one off?
10-23-2006, 12:03 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBONE

How are you pulling that one off?

Pls pm so not to derail.

Perkam
10-23-2006, 12:11 PM
Charles Wirth

SLI, I cannot confirm.

For those who own powerstrip, there was an update last month.
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm
Roughly ~ 25% safe overhead ;)
10-23-2006, 12:55 PM
Nanometer

Nvidia should not keep us computer OCD people waiting like this:(
10-23-2006, 01:03 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

Expect that they will retail at $629-649 regardless of MSRP.

yeh i Edit the first post , that was not public prices :(

the ASUS 8800 is not a INQ new , only the G80 problems is a INQ new

But the news that says Nvidia forbids factory overclocking of G80 , seems to be true

regards
10-23-2006, 01:26 PM
fhpchris

Who is in for the next FX5800 Ultra?
10-23-2006, 01:33 PM
jbizzler

And will this fit in my case...
I'd say I have 1.5'' to 2'' more than my X1900XT available.
10-23-2006, 01:42 PM
Pinnacle

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUGGER

I can assure you all the Inquirer has the facts completely wrong. They are guessing to why Nvidia did not supply drivers at that time and the answer is they were not complete/ready. It was better to withhold an incomplete driver at that time and wait a few days for proper driver controls to be finished completely in the time frame allowed back when dates were set for release.

As to the card instability, completely false as well.

HDCP, no one knows as the drivers are not that far along to know one way or the other yet, more guessing with a negative slant.

This is why I do NOT post links from the Inq anymore, the news team should stop it aswell, just too much false facts from them

News team meeting ASAP
10-23-2006, 01:55 PM
[XC] leviathan18

yes they are BS machine
10-23-2006, 03:45 PM
grimREEFER

zzf will have it for $599
newegg will have it for $850 lol
10-24-2006, 03:49 AM
jbizzler

Oh I just realized it's on a black PCB. Nice.
10-24-2006, 04:37 AM
theteamaqua

well i might jsut get 2 X1950XTX when this launches, as ATI will slash its price . not sure how much though. its like $420 USD now , i hope it will get down to $350 or even $300 when G80 launches.

why b/c:
1. G80 wont peform well in DX10 games. well i meant not as well as R600 or prolly G81. i learn from G70's mistake , crappy 7800GTX...
2. DX10 games wont be out for a while. i dont feel like droping $500 or $650 on a card that has questionable future

cuz if i get X1950crossfire, which my motherboard officially support. it should cost around $700 when G80 launches maybe even less. it costs about $850 to do X1950XTX CF now.

i just hope that nvidia launch this thing asap. i wanna see some price cut :) then ill get what ever is cheaper and better. whether its 2 x GeForce 8800GTS or 2 x X1950XTX. also if i upgrade to G80 ill have to upgrade board so thats another $250 :(

edit:
or i might jsut get 1 GeForce 8800GTX. mmm this decision is hard
10-24-2006, 05:07 AM
mascaras

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10-24-2006, 05:12 AM
flutie98

now where are the damn benches :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

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10-24-2006, 05:17 AM
ChongL

:slobber:
10-24-2006, 05:35 AM
cupra

haha, great work, i dont know way but that card remind me the horrible geforce fx 5800 LOL.

and i jest wonder, way nvidia didnt use GDDR4 in the 8xxx series ?
10-24-2006, 05:37 AM
RaZz!

holy.... this core is huge!

the gts looks more sexy! smaller, only one pcie-power-connector
10-24-2006, 05:39 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaZz!

holy.... this core is huge!

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7...mparaaork1.jpg
10-24-2006, 05:40 AM
onewingedangel

The IHS still leaves me wondering whether its a single die with 384 bit memory interface or main die(256) and daughter die(128) configuration.

Also look at the dual sli bridges on the gtx - is that for quad sli or faster single bi directional sli connection?
10-24-2006, 09:44 AM
b0bd0le

how big of a powersupply will i need?

will 650watts be good?
10-24-2006, 09:59 AM
Timmay

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewingedangel

Also look at the dual sli bridges on the gtx - is that for quad sli or faster single bi directional sli connection?

I'm very interested in that also, I see the new ATI cards are coming out with 2 interconnection points also, I believe this is for their Physics set up or to allow Quad SLi/XFire.
10-24-2006, 09:59 AM
NightCrawler™

Those latest pics make the card look a hell of a lot better......
10-24-2006, 10:12 AM
WeStSiDePLaYa

Quote:

Originally Posted by PallMall

the wattage doesn't mean :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

it's the amperes that are important ;)

no, thats not correct at all.

W=A x V

so how can wattage not mean :banana::banana::banana::banana: if it is directly related to amperes?

its WHERE the amps are that count, and you could say the psu has max output wattage of 480w on the 12v, or you could say it has max output amperage of 24amps on the 12v rail. same damn thing.
10-24-2006, 10:30 AM
WeStSiDePLaYa

Quote:

Originally Posted by PallMall

That's not how a psu works :)

are you kidding me?

you must be slow.

how do they find wattage of a psu rail? V*A=W
how do you find amps from watts? W/V=A
how do you find volts from watts? W/A=V

its very basic stuff.

20 amps on the 12v rail gives you 240watts on the 12v rail.

how do they find max watts? add that up for all the rails.

if your still confused, i can draw you a diagram and use words smaller than 4 letters.

to say that watts dont matter is foolish.
10-24-2006, 10:33 AM
mascaras

8800 GTX ---------450 Watts & 30A +12v.
8800 GTS ---------400 Watts & 26A +12v.

regards
10-24-2006, 10:44 AM
Yoxxy

I wonder how loud that fan is. It looks like it might be a whiner. I sure hope not becuase buying a 700$ card to buy a new waterblock or new fan is not something that makes me happy. When it comes out the quesiton for me becomes what is better 2x X1950 XTX / 2x 7900 GTX or one G80. Hopefully once G80 refresh is done power and heat will go down and we will be left with a great competing card for the R600. Otherwise maybe R600 kills it and we get good price on G80 SLI come February :).
10-24-2006, 10:49 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by PallMall

minus specs i assume?
My 7900Gt box said 450W 28A +12V

That are the suficient specs to work OK without any problems

I have a 450Wts with 30A +12v PSU with X1900XT , E6400@3500mhz and no problems , and X1900XT cards are the cards that need mmore power

regards
10-24-2006, 10:51 AM
WeStSiDePLaYa

Quote:

Originally Posted by PallMall

minus specs i assume?
My 7900Gt box said 450W 28A +12V

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. thats why you were disagreeing with me over energy formulas? because the box said so?

that doesnt say how much the card consumes, it says how much power is needed to run a system with that card (conservatively)

that says you need a 450W psu with 28amps on the 12v rail.

thats 336watts on the 12v rail, with 114watts to be distrubuted to the other rails(mainly 3.3v and 5v)
10-24-2006, 10:58 AM
fornowagain

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

you must be slow.

how do they find max watts? add that up for all the rails.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

thats 336watts on the 12v rail, with 114watts to be distrubuted to the other rails(mainly 3.3v and 5v)

Try summing the individual rail wattages (VxA) for a typical PSU and see what you get.

Here's a hint, they're not cumulative.

Oh and btw, the specified wattage of psu means nothing. At what reference temperature? Is it peak or constant load? Can it sustain specified wattage with rail crossloading? Most of it's marketing BS.
10-24-2006, 10:59 AM
DTU_XaVier

Very interesting pics, now show us some specs! :D
Me like the ASUS ones, though that's probably because I like GRAW :p:

#Everybody complaining about size.... Give them a chance, it's completely new tech they're sticking together here, the next gen will look a lot better, maybe even just a revision... :)

IMHO, the dual-sli-bridge is because the amount of data needing transfer is INSANE between the two cards... It simply couldn't be done with a single bridge :)

Best Regards :toast:
10-24-2006, 11:20 AM
XSAlliN

Not much of a card from the next generation (no GDDR4) - something between Mainstream & High-End, same as Gf 7800 GTX from the Gf 7xxx Generation, I want to see the "Big Guns" - the 300W hungry cards whit GDDR4 - GF 8900 GTX, who knows maybe will see even a 8950 GX2 :woot:
10-24-2006, 05:30 PM
Kingcarcas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon2ky

They say $410, we'll see 599.

QFT, $400 high end card, that'll be the day :stick: