E6600 - cpu air/water cooling compared

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10-19-2006, 05:13 AM
eva2000

E6600 - cpu air/water cooling compared
Swapped out my Pentium D 3.46Ghz 955XE Extreme Edition for my Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 B1 Step 5 cpu to see how well the Scythe Infinity cools compared to other air and water cooling I tried.

Cooling used:
- stock Pentium D 2.8Ghz 920D heatsink + Sunon 80x25mm 49cfm fan
- Thermaltake Big Typhoon + Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm fan
- Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
- Corsair Hydrocool 200EX + Thermaltake Big Typhoon LGA775 mounting gear
- Swiftech G4 Storm Water + Thermochill 120.3/MCP650 Pump
A few notes:
1. This is first time i have used my E6600 B1 cpu since i re-lapped the IHS, first lap was half ass job with alot of scratches but this time it's alot smoother and shiny.
2. Please keep in mind other results were done at different room ambient temps compared to current Scythe Infinity tests.
3. I'm using a different power supply, before it was either 700W OCZ GameXStream or 1KW PCP&C SLI psu. Now, I am using the new 850W OCZ GameXStream which has 4x +12v rails rated at 20 amps each - of which 2x +12v rails are for independent PCI-E connector power.
4. I've figured out how to use Intel D975XBX Bad Axe's Intel Desktop Utilities (IDU) application which reports temps, vcore etc. It seems if at any time within a windows session you load cpuz, clockgen etc, you will cause IDU to freeze or hang. The only way for IDU to work properly is if within the windows session you don't load cpuz or clockgen if you intend to run IDU.
5. Due to IDU issue and fact D975XBX Bad Axe board from bios only allows max 400fsb, it means for tests at >400fsb that require increasing fsb from clockgen, I will have to only use coretemp app to show temps and not use IDU.
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/coo...finity_001.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/coo...finity_005.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/coo...finity_014.jpg

System:
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 QPGE B1 Step 5 ES
- Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
- Intel D975XBX Bad Axe rev304 1334 bios
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI card
- 2x1GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 HZ Micron D9GMH 0629 batch
- 3x 320GB Seagate 7200.10 SATAII hdds
- Pioneer DVD-RW Burner
- 1.44MB FDD
- 850W OCZ GameXStream
How does Scythe Infinity compare to other cpu cooling solutions I have used on the Intel D975XBX Bad Axe platform ?

E6600 stock @2400Mhz at 1.275v (bios = 1.254v)

Dual stressprime orthos small FFTs load with Coretemp temps reported for:
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Room temp: ~20-22C
Cooling used: stock Pentium D 2.8Ghz 920D heatsink + Sunon 80x25mm 49cfm fan
Bios idle: 52-56C
Windows idle: 40-43C
Windows load: 74-75C
Rise above ambient delta = 53-55C
Rise above windows idle delta = 32-35C

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Room temp: ~21-24C
Cooling used: Thermaltake Big Typhoon + Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm fan
Bios idle: 38-40C
Windows idle: 32-33C
Windows load: 47-48C
Rise above ambient delta = 24-27C
Rise above windows idle delta = 13-16C

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Room temp: ~20-22C
Cooling used: Corsair Hydrocool 200EX + Thermaltake Big Typhoon LGA775 mounting gear
Bios idle: 31-32C
Windows idle: 24-28C
Windows load: 36-40C
Rise above ambient delta = 18-20C
Rise above windows idle delta = 12-16C

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Room temp: ~26-28C
Cooling used: Swiftech G4 Storm Water + Thermochill 120.3/MCP650 Pump
Bios idle: 32-36C
Windows idle: 31-33C
Windows load: 37-44C
Rise above ambient delta = 16-18C
Rise above windows idle delta = 11-13C

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Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull

Room temp: ~27-29C
Cooling used: Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
Bios idle: 40-43C
Windows idle: 35-36C
Windows load: 50-51C
Rise above ambient delta = 22-24C
Rise above windows idle delta = 15-16C

Idle
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...1/cpu_idle.png

Dual Stressprime Orthos small FFTs load
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...e_load_tnn.png

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10-19-2006, 05:14 AM
eva2000

Max delta & Min delta compared:

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...ck_compare.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...k_compare2.png

Rise above ambient delta = CPU load temp - Room ambient

Rise above windows idle delta = CPU load temp - Windows CPU idle temp
10-19-2006, 06:08 AM
eva2000

Let's try my usual 24/7 clocks of 3600Mhz at 1.394v bios that I use on water, but on Scythe Infinity air now :)

Room temp: ~28-31C
Cooling used: Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
Bios idle: 54C
Windows idle: 42C
Windows load: 69-72C
Rise above ambient delta = 41-44C
Rise above windows idle delta = 27-30C

(click image for full screenie)

Idle
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...pu_idle_tn.png

Dual Stressprime Orthos small FFTs load
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...me_load_tn.png

That's around 6-12C hotter than when on water cooling.
10-19-2006, 07:58 AM
HamidFULL

Tanx very very Nice review but I have questions :
1.your E6600 is lapped?
2.Please compare idle and load temp between best Air cooling (infinity + Dual TT fan) vs water cooling
3.you recommend air or water?
10-19-2006, 08:06 AM
Larry

He says that the processor is lapped in the first few notes

Quote:

1# This is first time i have used my E6600 B1 cpu since i re-lapped the IHS, first lap was half ass job with alot of scratches but this time it's alot smoother and shiny.
10-19-2006, 08:11 AM
eva2000

Yup relapped.. first time i lapped no diff nor any gain in max oc or lower temps when on water. Second time lapping now, never used on air so can't compare if the 2nd lap improved anything heh.

As to compare idle/load temp vs water it's all above in 1st post ;)

Me i prefer water cooling especially with Aussie summer here, but i'm taking apart my water rigs for a clean and rebuild later so Scythe Infinity is a temp cooler :D
10-19-2006, 10:24 AM
HamidFULL

Tanx eva2000, I seen your are Memory Addict can you help me @ :
I have 2GB Patriot DDR2-6400 Signature Series @ 1:1 1000MHz 5-5-5-12 2.0v
I want to know which chip used for this modules seller told me its Micron D9 I dont want break blue heatsink it void warranty any way to find which chip is used without break blue heatsink?
10-19-2006, 10:31 AM
eva2000

I believe they might be Micron D9, i know the Patriot PC8000 XBL loose latency 5-5-5-5 are as Arctan at http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=50424#post50424 managed to get them to 555mhz 4-4-4-9 at 2.4v vdimm :)

easy way to test is if they do 500mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.2-2.4v vdimm :D
10-20-2006, 05:39 AM
eva2000

Update: 24hr dual stressprime orthos completed @3600Mhz at 1.388v vcore with Scythe Infinity air cooling. Here's post load idle temps :)

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...dle_42C_tn.png
10-20-2006, 06:03 AM
camouflage

:eek: Wow - nice compario !!! Are You unemployed or what........???

Must have taken a lot of time to do this...........;)
10-20-2006, 07:27 AM
HamidFULL

First Great Update!

Quote:

I believe they might be Micron D9, i know the Patriot PC8000 XBL loose latency 5-5-5-5 are as Arctan at http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=50424#post50424 managed to get them to 555mhz 4-4-4-9 at 2.4v vdimm
easy way to test is if they do 500mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.2-2.4v vdimm

I test it again it can do 940MHz 4-4-4-10 2.0v and 1000MHz 5-5-5-15 2.0v then its Micron D9??
10-20-2006, 07:31 AM
eva2000

hehe thanks camouflage, i work and well i have several pcs connected via kvm switch so can leave one rig priming while i work using other pc which is a flick of kvm switch away :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by HamidFULL

First Great Update!

I test it again it can do 940MHz 4-4-4-10 2.0v and 1000MHz 5-5-5-15 2.0v then its Micron D9??

sounds like 99.9999999999% it's Micron D9 :)
10-20-2006, 08:45 AM
HamidFULL

Quote:

eva2000
sounds like 99.9999999999% it's Micron D9

Tanx a lot eva2000, where you are active? (which website) I dont want lose you
10-20-2006, 08:49 AM
kiwi

I don't understand why Infinity temps are so bad. I tested mine and it was 5-7C better than TT BT
10-20-2006, 09:15 AM
eva2000

kiwi the temps aren't bad, re-read my room ambient temps for each heatsink test and take them into account you'll see my Scythe Infinity is ~3C better than Big Typhoon ;) :)

HamidFULL, besides XS i frequent my own forums http://i4memory.com/ and http://forums.overclockers.com.au/ the most :)
10-20-2006, 10:15 AM
HamidFULL

Quote:

HamidFULL, besides XS i frequent my own forums http://i4memory.com/ and http://forums.overclockers.com.au/ the most

Tanx eva2000
10-20-2006, 01:18 PM
JoeBar

A nice comparison eva! :clap:
10-20-2006, 06:49 PM
eva2000

thanks guys... i'm surprised the E6600 clocked to 3600mhz at 1.394v bios on air the same as on water for 24/7 stable especially considering my much hotter room ambients on air now that Aussie summer is here compared with on water a few months back in winter :)
10-20-2006, 07:12 PM
Speederlander

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

Let's try my usual 24/7 clocks of 3600Mhz at 1.394v bios that I use on water, but on Scythe Infinity air now :)

Room temp: ~28-31C
Cooling used: Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
Bios idle: 54C
Windows idle: 42C
Windows load: 69-72C
Rise above ambient delta = 41-44C
Rise above windows idle delta = 27-30C

Seems a good deal hotter than what I have seen on air (with SI-128) at same clock and higher volts on 6600. Probably the ambients...
10-21-2006, 07:24 AM
eva2000

yeah higher ambient temps probably played apart but then again E6600 B1 ES cpus aren't known for their cooler temps, only higher ocs heh
10-21-2006, 03:41 PM
eva2000
How about lower vcore and see how it does ? my E6600 B1 cpu has a default vcore of 1.275v bios (1.25v). I set vcore in bios at 1.3v (1.265-1.277v bios) and clocked E6600 to an easy 3406Mhz (9x378fsb) for dual stressprime 'orthos' testing with Scythe Infinity heatsink and 2x TT 120x25mm 81cfm fans push-pull configured. On water my E6600 did 3550Mhz on around stock vcore 1.25v bios so thought 3406Mhz at 1.265-1.277v would be a nice start for air cooling :)

Only two changes were made to my system rig:
1. I swapped from my 850W OCZ GameXStream (quad +12v rail 20amp/rail) psu to my 600W OCZ EvoStream modular (the first EvoStream psu in Australia :D )
2. Removed one 320GB 7200.10 SATA hdd as i needed to use it for another purpose. So chanegd from 3x 320GB 7200.10 to 2x 320GB 7200.10 hdds :)
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_002.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_003.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_004.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_005.jpg

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_016.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_021.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_028.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_045.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_036.jpg

System:
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 QPGE B1 Step 5 ES
- Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
- Intel D975XBX Bad Axe rev304 1334 bios
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI card
- 2x1GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 HZ Micron D9GMH 0629 batch
- 2x 320GB Seagate 7200.10 SATAII hdds
- Pioneer DVD-RW Burner
- 1.44MB FDD
- 600W OCZ EvoStream modular power supply
E6600 @3406Mhz at 1.265-1.277v

Room temp: ~25.5-26.5C
Cooling used: Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
Bios idle: 43-44C
Windows idle: 34C
Windows load: 52-55C
Rise above ambient delta = 28.5C-29.5C
Rise above windows idle delta = 18-21C

All temps still based on coretemp readings.

(click image for full screenie)

Dual Stressprime Orthos small FFTs load
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...me_load_tn.png

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10-21-2006, 04:36 PM
Zebo

Scythe Infinity is poor mans water cooling. 2-5C difference is nominal and you have a huge radiator and best waterblock made would be lower delta with smaller rad and crappy waterblock... I watercool myself but only because these Scythe Infinity's wernt around when I built my rig, GPU's are in loop, and I go for absolute silence..but really WC is a waste these days from a peformance perspective. Your tests prove it.
10-21-2006, 07:49 PM
eva2000

well at low vcore yeah but water still much better at the max end >1.55-1.65+ vcore :)
10-21-2006, 09:43 PM
DarkSephiroth

For WC, safe vcore is 1.6?
10-21-2006, 09:46 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSephiroth

For WC, safe vcore is 1.6?

for benching yeah.. i ran this E6600 on water at 3809mhz at 1.5v dual stressprime 24/7 stable :)
10-22-2006, 03:43 AM
eva2000

Just amazing I must say for Scythe Infinity air cooling, E6600 @3505Mhz at 1.3125v bios (1.289v)

E6600 @3505Mhz at 1.289v

Room temp: ~24.0-26.5C
Cooling used: Scythe Infinity + 2x Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm push-pull
Bios idle: 44C
Windows idle: 38C
Windows load: 54-57C
Rise above ambient delta = 28.5-33C
Rise above windows idle delta = 16-19C

All temps still based on coretemp readings.

(click image for full screenie)

Idle
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...pu_idle_tn.png

Dual Stressprime Orthos small FFTs load
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...me_load_tn.png
10-22-2006, 11:21 AM
Tekdemon

Hmm...I was thinking about going water but if air is almost as good at lower voltages...

Is it safe to run those higher voltages 24/7 on water? Like, 1.5V. Cuz I don't really want to invest a lot of money on water if I can't actually use the extra speed 24/7 =(
10-22-2006, 12:17 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

well at low vcore yeah but water still much better at the max end >1.55-1.65+ vcore :)

Exactly... ;)
10-22-2006, 03:00 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekdemon

Hmm...I was thinking about going water but if air is almost as good at lower voltages...

Is it safe to run those higher voltages 24/7 on water? Like, 1.5V. Cuz I don't really want to invest a lot of money on water if I can't actually use the extra speed 24/7 =(

for 24/7 air i wouldn't use more than 1.45v-1.5v vcore at the most since past that vcore it will get alot hotter too heh