ABIT AW9D-MAX Insulation

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10-13-2006, 04:22 AM
hipro5

ABIT AW9D-MAX Insulation

Here I'll upload pictures and details of how to insulate a mobo....
The mobo I'll insulate for now is ABIT AW9D-MAX and the photos/details will be needed as a small insulation guide for new guys who want to come into subzero world...;) :)

Starting I have unsoldered ALL capacitors and chokes(coils) from the mobo which are around the socket 775 so as to make more "space" for insulation.........
Of course don't do that cuz it's a bit difficult......
In case that some one is interested about this as well, simply you NEED HIGH soldering temperature (over 450*C) so as to unsolder them....;)

Here's a shot of the socket 775 and the space we now have around it....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._spacing_1.jpg

OK.....You'll say: "Now that we have unsoldered the chokes and the capacitors, dosn't mobo needs them so as to work?"
Yes we need them and we re-solder them back......BUT......in the back of our mobo.......:D ;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._spacing_2.jpg

....by doing this we have space for PROPER insulation around our socket in case of subzero temps......;)

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10-13-2006, 04:31 AM
Charles Wirth

Very cool, I have been wanting to do this on a few boards.

Looking forward to how it goes, thanks George.
10-13-2006, 05:58 AM
Dani

Nice, but same situation with insulation @ backside of mobo, so what is the point?
10-13-2006, 06:25 AM
|-jokker-|

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

Nice, but same situation with insulation @ backside of mobo, so what is the point?

Not really he can carve into the insulation material and it´s a lot easier to insulate the background , and the socket area .
But for that we need to be super hipro5 , for these kind of transformation :P
10-13-2006, 09:28 AM
erwinz

Excellent HIPRO5 :woot:

you are really are a modding guru.. :rocker:

will wait for more of your guides.. :D
10-13-2006, 11:40 AM
k|ngp|n

This is why your so hardcore man....if the :banana::banana::banana::banana: is in your way, you just move it to the backside of the mobo :D. Gotta try this...
10-13-2006, 12:34 PM
G H Z

You know what I'm wondering hipro, why don't you just build your own motherboards :D :toast:
10-13-2006, 12:39 PM
hipro5

Thanks guys.....:)

@ Dani ....I do so for two reasons: a.Easier and flat insulation in the front with more room and thicker "walls" of insulation and b.inovation...:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

This is why your so hardcore man....if the :banana::banana::banana::banana: is in your way, you just move it to the backside of the mobo :D. Gotta try this...

Always Vince....always.....:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

You know what I'm wondering hipro, why don't you just build your own motherboards :D :toast:

Who knows....!.....Maybe sometime I will......;) :D
10-13-2006, 12:56 PM
hipro5

Let's continue......:)

First off, we "tap" (close) all the holes of the mobo with a soft material (like gum) which actually is for insulation and it was in the package with a Prometia cooling unit ..... Please help me whoever knows how it's called....I think it's called seal string....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...ng_holes_1.jpg

Closer look.....:)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...ng_holes_2.jpg

Then we go and get a "Plastic Spray" which can handle -70*C so as to be sure that it won't "break" at low temps....I use this one.....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...ik_spray_1.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...ik_spray_2.jpg

Afterwards we spray the whole backside of the mobo......We do so if we do not want/like corrosion to our mobo......;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...spraying_1.jpg

When it "turns" into plastic (from liquid) we turn the mobo to the other side (front) and we start insulating all parts/components of it BUT NOT by spraying them cuz we will encode slot contacting problems if we do so....;)
We get a small piece of cotton which we spray it all the time and place it on every component......Like the photos below....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...ge_plastic.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._plastic_1.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._plastic_2.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._plastic_1.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._plastic_2.jpg
10-13-2006, 01:02 PM
hipro5

When we have finished insulating the mobo with plastic spray, we untap it's holes like the photo.....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...ping_holes.jpg

IF we have a thermal resistor, we place it on the back of the CPU.....This resistor produses heat so as our socket to be dry.....I had this resistor from a Prometia cooling system.....;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...l_resistor.jpg

Then we start to insulate the whole mobo by sticking insulating tape on it......

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_1.jpg

We do this 2 times and crossed each tape to other.......Though I haven't finished yet the back side so I'll continue this tomorrow.....:)

EDIT:.....back side completed.....:)

We now put all screws we want into the holes like the photo below:

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_2.jpg

.....and we continue our back side insulation.....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_3.jpg

.....and finally we get this view....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_4.jpg
10-13-2006, 01:15 PM
hipro5

Let's insulate now the front side of the mobo and around the CPU socket......
First stage of insulation

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_1.jpg

...second stage......

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_2.jpg

........third stage......

IF you observe the insulation, you'll see that it is sticked "crossed".....This is because we don't want the air to come in/goes out from the little "holes" of cuttings .....If we have air in/out, we have WATER as well......;) :D

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_3.jpg

.....fourth stage and we did something different this time......We did a "circle" so as our pot fit's exactly into the insulation without "bothering" it....;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_4.jpg

....fifth stage and we start making the circle wider and wider on each step.....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_5.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_6.jpg

Our final result is below.....:D

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_7.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_8.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...sulation_9.jpg

.....and finaly testing it......:D

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._testing_1.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._testing_2.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A..._testing_3.jpg

IF we want to insulate the WHOLE mobo with plastic spray we do as above (in case we are going to play with CrossFire/SLI) OR only around the CPU's socket.......:)

That's for now.....To be CONTINUED.....:D

EDIT: Our final resault is the below picture.....Ready to bench with DI/LN2 or even a single stage for 24/7.....;) :)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...r_benching.jpg
10-13-2006, 03:18 PM
Dani

Ok, that's just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing amaizing, so great :D :D
10-13-2006, 03:24 PM
G H Z

I did mine similar to yours hipro only I did not move any caps ;) I used nail polish on all exposed components front & back of board, especially around the socket base. Two layered socket insulation with top layer fitting the mousepot circumference tightly and sealing caps. Only used with DI so far, might need to do something more drastic for LN2.

BTW, whats the blue wire doing on the back of your board ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/DI-1-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/DI-2-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/DI-4.jpg
10-14-2006, 12:20 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

BTW, whats the blue wire doing on the back of your board ;)

It's for geting real VMCH.....No Vdroop inside the mobo anymore.......;)
10-14-2006, 12:54 AM
Johnny Bravo

I see some tantalum capacitors there George, you using them to stabilise the northbridge supply?
10-14-2006, 01:21 AM
Overklokk

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

It's for geting real VMCH.....No Vdroop inside the mobo anymore.......;)

rely nice work Hipro!!

Did you find any Vcore mod too the Abit board yet?
10-14-2006, 02:21 AM
TaPaKaH

Daaaayumn :D :toast:
Waiting to see the results :D
10-14-2006, 03:32 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

I see some tantalum capacitors there George, you using them to stabilise the northbridge supply?

Yes....and the Vfsb a bit.....;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overklokk

rely nice work Hipro!!

Did you find any Vcore mod too the Abit board yet?

I see you don't "search"...:D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=118248

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaPaKaH

Daaaayumn :D :toast:
Waiting to see the results :D

I do too....:D
10-14-2006, 04:29 AM
Waus-mod

Well hipro :D this is why u are a legend :D

And u sure are my idol!
10-14-2006, 04:54 AM
aasmaukr

That's crazy insulation man :D Nice!
10-14-2006, 05:06 AM
esdee

;) at last hipro5, time to remember the good old cold nights.
I have plenty of time this week :bounces:
10-14-2006, 05:57 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by PallMall

Hipro nice job on the insulation, but i have a question for you :)

Aren't there any components on the board who wouldn't disagree with the extreem cold? Or is this just a matter for insulating against water...
Just a question ;)

Thanks M8.....:)

Look......I haven't encoded cold problems on the components IF the mobo uses good ones....The max temp I've seen with LN2 cooling on mobo's PCB, was -17*C.....So I think they can handle that.....PLUS that now we are not playing at -196*C any more...Just up to -130 to -140*C....:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Well hipro :D this is why u are a legend :D

And u sure are my idol!

Thank you for your kind words Wouter ....:) :toast:

Quote:

Originally Posted by esdee

;) at last hipro5, time to remember the good old cold nights.
I have plenty of time this week :bounces:

Yes come here and fix the cascade of yours....:D

BTW....A little birdie told me that we'll have 2 x GPU containers for the VGA's too....;) :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by aasmaukr

That's crazy insulation man :D Nice!

Like me....:D
10-14-2006, 06:12 AM
hipro5

EDITING the posts above and finished the insulation.....Ready for benching and having a good time cuz that's all it counts.....:toast: :)
10-14-2006, 06:17 AM
esdee

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Thanks M8.....:)
BTW....A little birdie told me that we'll have 2 x GPU containers for the VGA's too....;) :)

:fact: got it

the second cascade only needs insulation on the flex and an auxiliary fan for the 1st stage condenser since it don't have time to move it over gorillakos place and replace the burned fan.

just black mail bill to go fill the LN2 dewar :D

hey George, those M4 screws look AWFULLY FAMILIAR:slapass: :slap: :D
10-14-2006, 06:22 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by esdee

hey George, those M4 screws look AWFULLY FAMILIAR:slapass: :slap: :D

Yes.....they are MINE......NOW.....:D
10-14-2006, 07:20 AM
erwinz

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

EDITING the posts above and finished the insulation.....Ready for benching and having a good time cuz that's all it counts.....:toast: :)

go go go hipro5.. :woot:
10-14-2006, 09:10 AM
blind_ripper

looks like ure gone use gorillokas his first mad pot again :D .
that little birdie told me where thy are and there just fine :p .
great work on the mods and isolation ;) , hope that it is a other X6800 then if seen befor :) .
GL to u ppl from team hellas .
10-14-2006, 10:42 AM
hipro5

Thank you guys.......
Yes it's a retail CPU.....:)

Testing mobo under esdee's cascade for fsb.......:)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C..._3_2_1_png.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C..._3_2_1_png.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C..._3_2_1_png.png

Just some quick runs.......:D
10-14-2006, 10:58 AM
GoriLLakoS

Hmmm..i just saw his thread....he already black phoned me and not black mailed me...:P

The dewar will be ready on monday afternoon..but all the week i will be working..:(

Hope the mastercard will not have cold bug..:D or else we will need nvidia cards..:D
10-14-2006, 01:05 PM
metro.cl

awsome work hipro, you electric skills are awsome mate :)

i want to see c2d taken to the next level just like you did with dothan :)
10-14-2006, 01:25 PM
Charles Wirth

Very nice bus speed, cant wait to see the 3D runs.
10-14-2006, 10:18 PM
Otternase

very,very Great :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
10-14-2006, 10:30 PM
Nephilim

Very tidy and thorough insulation :toast: I took my time with insulation as well but didn't move any caps, my system is fine on a single stage 24/7 it's a shame I have a DFI 975X infinity.

I look forward to seeing what you can do with this board! Do you think you would see any FSB improvement with SS/DI/LN2 on the NB? Or is high end air adequate enough? Would mean more insulating :p:
10-16-2006, 04:26 AM
Nosfer@tu

subcribed :D
10-16-2006, 09:53 AM
hipro5

Some updates......Those where forgoten.....Now it can do 493MHz fsb benchable and 489MHz fsb 3D benchable.....:)
I can't break the 500MHz barrier though.....I think I must power up the air condition at low temp for that.....:(

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C..._1_4_3_2_1.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C..._1_4_3_2_1.png

How's that WinRaR bench?......:D

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C..._1_4_3_2_1.png
10-16-2006, 12:43 PM
esdee

let me see if i can modify a single stages enclosure, id suggest you start insulating the NB area :D

we can even try R134 if it doesn't like low temps ;)
10-16-2006, 01:29 PM
giorgioprimo

Another "state of the art" work on ABIT mobo from the Master :clap: :clap:

I would really like to see detailed and explained picture about all the vmod that you made Hipro, also the tantalum capacitors mod.

I would like to make on my mobo....

Thanks
10-16-2006, 01:39 PM
BAR*B*Q

hellas hipro5... ridiculous results. :toast:

i mean 4,86 ghz core speed is just xtreme. but that you reached that fsb 1:1 is really hitting me :slobber: what did you do ? could you post more details of voltages and cooling...? :stick:
10-17-2006, 01:00 PM
runmc

Hipro you always blow my freakin mind :eek: nice skills with the iron.:toast:

Good luck to team hellas:woot:
10-17-2006, 10:24 PM
hipro5

Thanks guys......Though I've got a lot work to do these days, I have prepared the rig as well for benching....;)
10-17-2006, 11:26 PM
SLi_dog

hipro5 that insulation is insane :eek: :)

It makes me seriously reconsider my minimal insulation, hmm maybe I should start using the liquid electrical tape.......
10-18-2006, 01:27 AM
J0d3r

Damn, you are planning on doing some damage hehe. Nice insulation and... nice mod of the mobo. Simply insane
10-22-2006, 12:09 PM
Revv23

wow cool guide :)
10-23-2006, 01:38 PM
NO1B4ME

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

EDITING the posts above and finished the insulation.....Ready for benching and having a good time cuz that's all it counts.....:toast: :)

Man do you ever sleep. Awesome writeup. Now bench this sucker and kick ass :) .
10-23-2006, 03:12 PM
Bbq

Nice work. just a question though, how far do those capacitors stick out back? enough to disrupt the stand offs if you put it into a case (if that ever happens?
10-23-2006, 11:07 PM
hipro5

Thanks guys.....:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bbq

Nice work. just a question though, how far do those capacitors stick out back? enough to disrupt the stand offs if you put it into a case (if that ever happens?

I'm working it srewed on an aluminum plane(panel) with 1.6cm metal distancers.....I don't think that all of the boxes have that much distance......most of them are 0.8cm to 1cm.....
10-25-2006, 12:52 AM
hipro5

Testing the ...... insulation with LN2.....:D

Fsb = 474MHz x 11 .....Fatbodies at Cas 4-3-2-1 with 1:1.....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C..._9.724_png.png

Finding the max benchable frequency for 2k6 bench which actually is VERY hard when you run the CPU's tests.....It does about 5150MHz though.....;) :D

Don't look at the score coz it was done with ONE X1900XTX on air with 702/891......
Testing for the CPU's frequency....;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C...0MHz_1_png.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C...0MHz_2_png.png

COMPARE URL

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10-25-2006, 01:01 AM
TaPaKaH

:eek:
CPU 5GHZ+ 3Dbenchable ... waiting for WRs ;)

BTW - welcome to 1M sub-10s club :toast:
10-25-2006, 01:05 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaPaKaH

:eek:
CPU 5GHZ+ 3Dbenchable ... waiting for WRs ;)

BTW - welcome to 1M sub-10s club :toast:

Thanks M8.....:) :toast:
10-25-2006, 01:10 AM
TaPaKaH

what voltages ?
any pics ?
10-25-2006, 01:27 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaPaKaH

what voltages ?
any pics ?

1.88VCore ......no pics for the time been.....:)
10-25-2006, 06:56 AM
massman

Just warming up, I guess :D

great work, as usual, looking forward to see some hipro-style results ;)
10-29-2006, 04:59 AM
VoRtAn_MaDgE

How much vmch to reach those 490+/- ?
Up to 2v ?

Nice job Hipro.
10-29-2006, 05:06 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoRtAn_MaDgE

How much vmch to reach those 490+/- ?
Up to 2v ?

Nice job Hipro.

2.05VMCH....:)
10-29-2006, 10:00 PM
Revv23

muhaha i hope you are having fun hipro, seems like any day now you are going to blow us all away. i know its coming.
11-02-2006, 05:04 PM
kiwi

lol resoldered caps on the other side :toast:

I never insulate so much, huge fan saves me from condensation :D I am running DI only though, I bet you need such serious insualtion with LN2 :)
11-18-2006, 04:24 PM
LittleDevil

hipro, good job, i hope that you will not kill that mobo , because removing that issulation will be little problem :D :D
regards
11-18-2006, 10:52 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi

lol resoldered caps on the other side :toast:
I never insulate so much, huge fan saves me from condensation :D I am running DI only though, I bet you need such serious insualtion with LN2 :)

I'm full of DELTA fans too but I always taking care of the insulation......;) :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleDevil

hipro, good job, i hope that you will not kill that mobo , because removing that issulation will be little problem :D :D
regards

No problem at all.........We have found out that there are two types of insulation.....The one with the internal "lines" in it and the other one without internal lines......The first one is a pain in the arss to take it off....The second one goes off just like that.......;) :D
11-19-2006, 05:58 AM
M.Beier

George your XTREME :)
11-19-2006, 06:32 AM
El Snorro

Quote:

No problem at all.........We have found out that there are two types of insulation.....The one with the internal "lines" in it and the other one without internal lines......The first one is a pain in the arss to take it off....The second one goes off just like that.......;) :D

Yeah that's true!
I have used the one with internal 'lines' in it, and its a real pain getting it off my mobo :P
11-28-2006, 01:37 PM
Extera

I just wanned to give you a link of a gpu guide recently posted by another master. But you already saw that thread :D

I'm new to LN2, but from what i'v seen from some fellow duch overclockers (rol-co) only vaseline (die electric-grease) and armaflex tube around the tube was enhough for quite a few hours of benching.

Just making it airtight with a think enough isolation layer is the whole trick.
No air, no condensation
11-29-2006, 12:24 AM
hipro5

@ PallMall: You don't have to remove the caps to the backside so as to make a "good" sealing.....You can use sealstring too so as to insulate the socket more propriate.....in small quantities, you can push it in the "holes" between the caps and the coils and you'll be fine.......
Plastic spraying the mobo is a must......;)
You can spray as much as it will cover everything on the back of the mobo.......On the other hand, on the front of it, you HAVE to use cotton and "tip" with it the components......

GPU guid is the same as this one and take a look at k|ngp|ing's one.......;)

P.S.: I NEVER use vaseline (though it does a good job too) coz it's hard to be removed afterwards.....;)
11-29-2006, 01:30 AM
Unseen

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

P.S.: I NEVER use vaseline (though it does a good job too) coz it's hard to be removed afterwards.....;)

The ultimate vaseline remover tool.
http://www.brightonbeautysupply.com/...Chairdrier.jpg
11-29-2006, 02:15 AM
Extera

hot water also helps, only try that when you need to send it RMA :)
I will try a hairdryer next time
12-01-2006, 04:29 AM
kiwi

Does hairdryer work for Luberex removal? If so, how exactly does it help? I remember cleaning socket from luberex and it was a nightmare :p:

Is that plastic spray you are talking about the same as rubber coating from performix?
http://www.garage-toys.com/plspbl.html

Silicone, nail polish and vaseline is easily available locally but luberex, LET/plastidip is not :(

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