Creme de la creme: TEAM Xtreem TXDD2048M1800HC5DC

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09-27-2006, 11:53 PM
Micutzu

Creme de la creme: TEAM Xtreem TXDD2048M1800HC5DC

TEAM Group announced a while back new models for the Xtreem series, that were meant to compelte the offering in both extreme performance (DDR1000 5-4-4 and DDR800 3-3-3) and good value overclocking (DDR533 3-3-3 Micron D9) segments.
Few days ago i got my hands on some of the new models and i couldn't wait to see what the highest-rated part could do. I'm talking about the M1800HC5DC, a memory kit that has double rating and comes in both 2X512MB and 2X1024MB flavours; i guess everybody's interested in what the 2GB kit can do (i know i was) so that's what you guys are going to see next.

First of all, here are the official specs:

Capacity: 2X1024MB
Rating 1: DDR1000 5-4-4-10 @ 2.2 - 2.35V
Rating 2: DDR800 3-4-3-8 @ 2.2 - 2.35V
Chips: Micron D9GMH

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1...o005lz6.th.jpg http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/655/bio007lo9.th.jpg http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6...o013jc6.th.jpg

As you can see, there are some nice timings with some nice clocks, and the working voltage range is a little higher than usual DDR2 specs. This (and the fact that they beg you to overclock) means higher heat dissipation, but the heatspreaders are well designed and take care of the job pretty well. Don't think that if they look so slim and simple are there just for looks, the open-top design allows air to circulate betwen heatspreaders and PCB, practically almost doubling the radiant surface of the heatspreader, and more importantly alowing the PCB to cool better. I don't know how common this knowledge is, but the PCB is taking 70-80% of the heat generated by the chips trough the chip's pins/pads wich are metallic, and only a small part is going to the heatspreader trough the plastic casing.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/962/bio015fe1.th.jpg http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/375/bio016sv9.th.jpg

At 2.5V you don't need extra ventilation to keep acceptable temps, and even at 3.01V (wich was the highest voltage i've tested) a simple medium rpm 92mm fan did the job very well.

This doesn't mean that 3V is OK for DDR2, it's actually beyond any limit of reliability, i've used it only for brief tests and i wouldn't recommend more than 2.5V for everyday use, and this only for Micron D9 chips. 3V WILL kill your DDR2.
09-27-2006, 11:53 PM
Micutzu

Test setup

I did the testing on the following setup:

Motherboard: Asus P5B-Deluxe, Vmch = 1.9V
CPU: Intel E6600
VGA: EVGA 7900GS @ 600/950
PSU: Tagan U15 580W

OS - Windows XP SP2 in diagnostic mode, VGA drivers - 91.47's tweaked for performance (including LOD), ~20C ambient temp, stock CPU cooler, 1.5V Vcore, one 1500rpm/92mm fan blowing on the RAM/NB area.

I chose 3 usual sets of timings and i chose the PSB : DDR ratio so as to get the highest RAM clocks on the Asus P5B-Deluxe. I used 3 different voltages in each case to show the extraordinary voltage scaling of the Micron D9 chips, and the tests ran were SPi 32M, the two Lobby tests from 3DM2001 and the Latency test from Everest 3.01. Benches ran in realtime mode.

For the beginning, a quick stability test at default RAM clocks, DDR800 3-4-3-8 and DDR1000 5-4-4-10 respectively, with a voltage from the working range, 2.3V. Higher Mhz + higher timings seem to be faster trough SPI 32M.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1...823vrr0.th.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6...023vjj0.th.jpg
09-27-2006, 11:54 PM
Micutzu

3-3-3-8 testing

DDR860 3-3-3-8 2.2V

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5...822vzn2.th.jpg http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6...obbyzk8.th.jpg http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6...restyx3.th.jpg

DDR920 3-3-3-8 2.4V

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3...v32mns5.th.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4...obbysm5.th.jpg http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/212...restxr7.th.jpg

DDR990 3-3-3-8 2.75V

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/939...v32maf5.th.jpg http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/308...obbyvd5.th.jpg http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1...restbp0.th.jpg
09-27-2006, 11:55 PM
Micutzu

4-4-3-8 testing

DDR 1050 4-4-3-8 2.2V

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9...v32mvg0.th.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8...obbyfn3.th.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2...restrc6.th.jpg

DDR1120 4-4-3-8 2.4V

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8...v32mqm3.th.jpg http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3...obbypq4.th.jpg http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6...restld2.th.jpg

DDR1212 4-4-3-8 2.75V

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3...v32mdl6.th.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7...obbyju1.th.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4...restoo9.th.jpg

This brought up some problems of the mobo, 4:5 could not clock the RAM as high as 2:3 even if 500+Mhz on the PSB didn't seem to be a problem.
09-27-2006, 11:55 PM
Micutzu

4-4-4-10 testing

DDR1100 4-4-4-10 2.2V

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6...v32mei1.th.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7...obbyyl5.th.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/459...restiy9.th.jpg

DDR1180 4-4-4-10 2.4V

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5...v32mtg7.th.jpg http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/286...obbyqu0.th.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8...restam6.th.jpg

The 2.75V run was limited by the motherboard as i couldn't get 4-4-4-10 to clock higher than 4-4-3-8 at this voltage; i'm sure this RAM can do better in a more unrestricted setup.

This is it, i hope you enjoyed it :D
09-28-2006, 02:05 AM
over@locker886

Thx test Micutzu and Congratz CL3 WR:toast:

I'm testing my new rams , Teamgroup 2GB 800C4, but max CL3-3-3-8 on 2,43v, 810Mhz. (Micron D9GMH) Little bit low.

mod: I use Asus P5W DH.
09-28-2006, 02:21 AM
AsAsIn8eR

Congrats very good memory!
09-28-2006, 02:23 AM
filmbot

Very good results Micutzu.
Can these be had at Tank Guys do you know?
Also, any reason as to why 2:3 will clock higher than 4:5?
09-28-2006, 02:34 AM
vudoodoodoo

So much memory, so little money. :(
Wow, nice clocks w/ 3-3-3-8.
09-28-2006, 08:11 AM
Micutzu

Quote:

Originally Posted by filmbot

Very good results Micutzu.
Can these be had at Tank Guys do you know?
Also, any reason as to why 2:3 will clock higher than 4:5?

This stuff has been available from TEAM after the middle of this month, but it's pretty much limited edition and might not be available everywhere. It's 2 times more expensive than the DDR533 3-3-3 Micron D9 stuff wich they've also launched recently, but still cheaper than Corsair's or G.Skill's similar stuff.
09-28-2006, 08:51 AM
ozzimark

i said this when i saw 430mhz at 2.2v with 3-3-3.. "holy crap."

nice sticks :toast:
care to give 5-5-4 a go? :woot:
09-28-2006, 10:46 AM
Gautam

:eek: Awesome results! 495MHz 3-3-3 32M stable really is something.
09-28-2006, 11:12 AM
TaPaKaH

put `em under 2.5V+ and go get some more :D
nice DDR2s m8 :D
09-29-2006, 09:26 AM
K.J.

Bonne mémoires vives

Vous pouvez venter moi la?
09-29-2006, 09:30 AM
Avman

My Team 667 3-3-3-8 does DDR2-1008 4-4-4-11 24/7

They'll do DDR2-1100 5-5-5-13 orthos stable all at 2.25v.
10-01-2006, 11:15 PM
Micutzu

Quote:

Originally Posted by K.J.

Bonne mémoires vives

Vous pouvez venter moi la?

C'est ne pas pour vendre :)
10-02-2006, 03:53 AM
erwinz

nice rams.. :d team xtreme are producing the best rams over price ratio.. :D
10-02-2006, 09:15 PM
GrimReaper

wow amazing stuff :slobber: where did you buy them from ?
10-02-2006, 10:32 PM
Micutzu

Romanian reseller www.senorg.ro
10-03-2006, 10:30 AM
TeamUSOffice

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimReaper

wow amazing stuff :slobber: where did you buy them from ?

I am asking Taiwan to send some over here.
Anyhow, Micutzu is right about there won't be too many of this. I'll be guessing like 20 sets might be avalible @ www.tankguys.com in a week or so.
10-03-2006, 10:32 AM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamUSOffice

I am asking Taiwan to send some over here.
Anyhow, Micutzu is right about there won't be too many of this. I'll be guessing like 20 sets might be avalible @ www.tankguys.com in a week or so.

msrp, $600? :rolleyes: ?
10-03-2006, 11:45 AM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

msrp, $600? :rolleyes: ?

i'm gonna venture a touch over $400.. since that's what ram with similar ratings go for ;)
10-03-2006, 12:05 PM
Zyklon5

In Romania this kit goes for around 510$ 19% tax included http://www.senorg.ro/shop/TeamGroup-...C---p2055.html but then again the same kit that TankGuy sells for 277$ is 312$ in my country .. so there is a 12% diffrence .. my take is around 450$

Micutzu great performance show ... once again :)
10-03-2006, 12:55 PM
TeamUSOffice

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

msrp, $600? :rolleyes: ?

MSRP $440.00, As far as I know tankguys always sell lower than my MSRP.
10-04-2006, 03:58 PM
TankGuys

It's now listed on our site, but won't be available until ~mid next week. Price is at MSRP this time - sorry guys :D The difference between my cost and MRSP on these is pretty small, so I didn't have any room to shoot low this time ;)
10-15-2006, 09:28 PM
charlie

is it sold out or never arrived?
10-15-2006, 11:02 PM
AAmeeting

im in the market for great memory, and this looks like some great memory, please still have a kit ready when i got the dough!
10-16-2006, 03:49 AM
TankGuys

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

is it sold out or never arrived?

Hasn't arrived yet.
10-20-2006, 10:29 AM
sierra_bound

I just got this RAM. Pretty amazing sticks with low timings. Have not really had much time to test them. Too busy with other things. These results were done with P5B Dlx and VDimm at 2.4v. I booted into Windows on loose strap, so times aren't that great. Still, I'm impressed.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7572/464333li8.th.jpg

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/6...2333tn7.th.jpg
10-20-2006, 10:50 AM
TankGuys

These sticks are a bit up in the air right now - apparently it's difficult to program the SPD value (or something along these lines) so we've only gotten 3 working kits thus far. Team is working on getting more out, but it may be a few days yet.
10-22-2006, 01:18 AM
sierra_bound

A few more tests at 2.4v

1:1 @ 3-3-3-8

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/522...8333wd8.th.jpg

2:3 @ 4-4-3-8

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7...1023fk3.th.jpg
10-23-2006, 12:11 PM
sierra_bound

I discovered one of the dimm slots on my board was weak. After I switched the modules to different slots, the problem went away.:D

460X8 @ 3-3-3-8 with 2.4v

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/5...8333xo0.th.jpg
10-23-2006, 11:49 PM
sierra_bound

Ran some quick Orthos stability tests with high memory speed. Will do longer tests when I have more time.

Large FFT's 1024MB

DDR2-1152 @ 4-4-3 and 2.4v

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/495...s576ns0.th.jpg

DDR2-1161 @ 4-4-4 and 2.4v

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8...0444ke9.th.jpg
10-24-2006, 10:07 AM
bachus_anonym

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Ran some quick Orthos stability tests with high memory speed. Will do longer tests when I have more time.

Large FFT's 1024MB

DDR2-1161 @ 4-4-4 and 2.4v

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?i...s580444ke9.jpg

That's really nice for 2.4v :up: What can you do with max vdimm available for stock P5B Deluxe - 2.45v BIOS - both for 32M and ORTHOS?
10-24-2006, 10:19 AM
sierra_bound

I'm trying to do 450 @ 3-3-3-8 and 2.45v with Orthos now.:)

This RAM probably won't go as high as the 6400C3's or some of the other premium modules. But the sticks will do 460-461 @ 3-3-3 in 32M with 2.4v.
10-24-2006, 10:25 AM
bachus_anonym

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

I'm trying to do 450 @ 3-3-3-8 and 2.45v with Orthos now.:)

This RAM probably won't go as high as the 6400C3's or some of the other premium modules. But the sticks will do 460-461 @ 3-3-3 in 32M with 2.4v.

Don't forget about 8-4-4-4.0 @ 2.45v BIOS, please? :) From what you have shown so far (and Micutzu), they look pretty damn sweet to me! For sure, best modules from TG so far :up:
10-24-2006, 10:46 AM
TankGuys

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

... For sure, best modules from TG so far :up:

Should be, for the price :D
10-24-2006, 10:47 AM
sierra_bound

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

Don't forget about 8-4-4-4.0 @ 2.45v BIOS, please? :)

I will.:) 450 @ 3-3-3 is not easy with Orthos, even with 2.45v. Again, running Large FFT's, 1024MB.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3...0333us8.th.jpg

When I have more time, I'll run Orthos longer. For tight DDR2 timings, this RAM is hard to beat. The sticks easily do 460 @ 3-3-3 in 32M.
10-25-2006, 01:56 AM
sierra_bound

DDR2-1173 @ 4-4-4-8 and 2.45v

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/600...6444cs6.th.jpg

I think I can do better.
10-25-2006, 04:02 PM
vanovich

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

DDR2-1173 @ 4-4-4-8 and 2.45v

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/600...6444cs6.th.jpg

I think I can do better.

looks really good ,is your sets naked?
10-25-2006, 05:22 PM
sierra_bound

Yes, they are naked.:)
10-28-2006, 02:21 AM
sierra_bound

Switched to 975X board (P5W64). RAM speed at 1:1 not quite as good as on the P5B Dlx. I think that's partly bios-related. 4:5 works fairly well. Using 2.4v.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4...m532dk2.th.jpg
11-26-2006, 02:52 PM
intel_developer

I am very happy with this Team dual-spec DDR2 that I got from Tankguys about a month ago. I originally was trying to run it using a gigabyte DS3 board with my E6300, what a waste of time that was. I switched to a P5B Deluxe 1.03G this weekend and now I am finally able to see what this Team memory is capable of. This mem totally rocks my E6300 and P5B-D! Currently running memtest and prime95 stable at 4-4-3-9, 510 FSB, 1:1, 2.35 VDimm. I am sure it can probably go higher but this is good for now and I don't want to raise VDimm over 2.35V on these pricey sticks.

Thanks to Ben at Tankguys and OPB at Team Group for an awesome DDR2 kit!
02-10-2007, 04:24 PM
VIctorj

Sorry to bump this thread guys...but, is there anyone using these sticks with p5w dh? and...if any, can someone post bios screens on memory timings settings?

Thanx a lot.