new winbond ch-5 !

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04-16-2003, 08:30 AM
Lunatic

new winbond ch-5 !

hi guys ! the new winbond ch-5 chips seems to rock!
here are the speccs :
Features:
- Chip on board: Winbond W942508CH-5.
- CL 2,5-3-3 (default SPD).
- CL 2-2-2 (tested).
- 400MHz DDR.
- Package: 184-pin DIMM.
- Unbuffered.
- Alimentazione: 2,5V (± 0,3V max).
- Serial Presence Detect (SPD) EEPROM on board.

Winbond BH-5 - 0.175 micron

Winbond CH-5 - 0.13 micron

A-data seems to be the only one with these new chips :(

here is a thread about it : http://www.amdforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=215281

and you can buy them here http://www.swzonesystem.it/product_i...roducts_id=133

man, do i regret buying these corsair 3500 when i could have gotten these for dirt cheap :(

Lunatic:cool:
04-16-2003, 09:04 AM
DisposableHero

can those guys ship to the US?
04-16-2003, 09:27 AM
Lunatic

Quote:

Originally posted by DisposableHero
can those guys ship to the US?

i dont know :( i dont live in italy i just got that link :(
04-16-2003, 09:50 AM
T@nker-xXx

in france you can have a-data CH5 :D
but it's rare
04-16-2003, 01:18 PM
Lunatic

if someone have these ch-5 please post results
04-16-2003, 01:32 PM
TodB

I got TwinMOS PC3700 2x256MB and seriously have doubts, that those are remarked CH-5.... If not from the highest quality CH-5, but still CH-5....

The reasons:

- dislikes RAS-to-CAS = 2 ( see that japanese screenshot @amdmb ), pretty much the same as the CH-5 and dislike the BH-5....

- hates voltages above 2.8V - just gets worse.... that I give out to the 0.13mm production process....

- Runs high 480s@ 2.7V without a problem on EPoX 4PEA+ MoBo...

Tomorrow I'll get another 8RDA+, that would do 220MHz+ and will test them out....
04-16-2003, 06:48 PM
BrainStorm

Quote:

Originally posted by TodB
Tomorrow I'll get another 8RDA+, that would do 220MHz+ and will test them out....

Yes, please test them out on an AMD system and let us know how they did!
04-16-2003, 08:38 PM
cpulloverclock

my twinmos PC3700 runs at 250 and 3.2v
no problems
04-16-2003, 08:54 PM
faruquehabib

speakin of ships, what kind do i have in my corsair xms pc3200 twinx?
04-16-2003, 09:24 PM
charlie

What's the big deal?
My Geil PC3700 and it's 4.5ns chips do ddr504 @ 3.08v.
cas2, 6,3,3. For me to upgrade, I'll need something that'll do about ddr520.
C
04-16-2003, 09:33 PM
sysfailur

I added two to my shopping cart, but I can't read the stuff to fill it in.

I did see though that they do ship to anywhere, at least any country is selectable from a drop down list. Including United States.
04-17-2003, 12:28 AM
Nitestorm

Quote:

Originally posted by TodB
I got TwinMOS PC3700 2x256MB and seriously have doubts, that those are remarked CH-5.... If not from the highest quality CH-5, but still CH-5....

The reasons:

- dislikes RAS-to-CAS = 2 ( see that japanese screenshot @amdmb ), pretty much the same as the CH-5 and dislike the BH-5....

Hmm, my OCZ PC3700 EL seems to dislike tRCD of 2 also. Have only tried on a KD7-S (KT400) and NF7-S v1.2 (nForce2). Yet other users have OCZ EL memory that likes it. Some say it's a chipset issue, others say it's a memory issue.
04-17-2003, 03:20 AM
BrainStorm

Quote:

Originally posted by charlie
What's the big deal?
My Geil PC3700 and it's 4.5ns chips do ddr504 @ 3.08v.
cas2, 6,3,3. For me to upgrade, I'll need something that'll do about ddr520.
C

That's in an Intel rig, though, right? Slightly different than running at that speed in an AMD rig. ;)
04-17-2003, 03:47 AM
TerroH8er

Quote:

Originally posted by Nitestorm
Hmm, my OCZ PC3700 EL seems to dislike tRCD of 2 also. Have only tried on a KD7-S (KT400) and NF7-S v1.2 (nForce2). Yet other users have OCZ EL memory that likes it. Some say it's a chipset issue, others say it's a memory issue.

same here, i've got PC3700 EL as well.. i thought it was just me
04-17-2003, 04:02 AM
WildKard

Im using OCZ 3700el as well, I can run 4-2-2-2 on my friends a7n8x but need to run 5-3-2-2 on my abit nf7s but even MORE WEIRD is I can run 5-2-2-2 using Win2K but only 5-3-2-2 using WinXP with my Asus P4PE
04-17-2003, 04:06 AM
Lunatic

Quote:

Originally posted by faruquehabib
speakin of ships, what kind do i have in my corsair xms pc3200 twinx?

i think you have winbond bh-5
04-17-2003, 04:07 AM
Lunatic

Quote:

Originally posted by sysfailur
I added two to my shopping cart, but I can't read the stuff to fill it in.

I did see though that they do ship to anywhere, at least any country is selectable from a drop down list. Including United States.

:) just ask someone in the forums that speaks italian :toast:

edit: you could pm spaceboy or diabloII they are italian

Lunatic:)
04-17-2003, 07:09 AM
TodB

Quote:

Originally posted by BrainStorm
Yes, please test them out on an AMD system and let us know how they did!

Well I'm runnin 440MHz DDR 2.0-4-3-2 2.7V.... the MoBo won't go 230MHz.... will try 225 in some hours ;)
04-17-2003, 07:27 AM
charlie

corsair xms3200 = bh-6
corsair xms3500 = bh-5
04-17-2003, 07:48 AM
xgman

read the 2nd post down.

http://www.houseofhelp.com/v2/showth...threadid=12108
04-17-2003, 07:50 AM
faruquehabib

Quote:

Originally posted by charlie
corsair xms3200 = bh-6
corsair xms3500 = bh-5

damni!! haha, i just bought this corsair xms pc3200 twinx and spent a good $360 on it, and it's already surpassed less than a month later. sheesh! i hope i can still pump my 2400+ to around 2700 mHz or so with it tho
04-17-2003, 08:03 AM
NeverSleeps

Quote:

Originally posted by faruquehabib
damni!! haha, i just bought this corsair xms pc3200 twinx and spent a good $360 on it, and it's already surpassed less than a month later. sheesh! i hope i can still pump my 2400+ to around 2700 mHz or so with it tho

XMS3200 uses BH-6
XMS3200LL (twinx) uses BH-5
XMS3500 uses BH-5

XMS3500 and XMS3200LL uses the same chips
04-17-2003, 08:07 AM
faruquehabib

Quote:

Originally posted by NeverSleeps
XMS3200 uses BH-6
XMS3200LL (twinx) uses BH-5
XMS3500 uses BH-5

XMS3500 and XMS3200LL uses the same chips

really???

haha , i have dc twinx (2x 512) (XMS3200LL ) yay!!:banana:
04-17-2003, 09:16 AM
GVCryan

Yet again this backs up my belief that OCZ uses Winbond.

If Adata handles some of OCZ's manufactturing (which they do), and Adata uses Winbond, and they act identical. Then they are just rebadged modules.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary (at least).
04-17-2003, 09:29 AM
Nitestorm

I came across this french website's news item last week, might interest you, which I have translated into English via Google:

http://www.hardware.fr/news/lire/22-11-2002/#5366

Quote:

Following our news preceding, OCZ contacted us for us given more precise details on their new chips memories. In fact, this news memories DDR466 and 500 are based on "die" Winbond DDR500 which are packaged by using a packaging TSOP specific to OCZ, the EL GDR, which is finer and which thus offers a less thermal resistance. Now remain to know if these chips will be more powerful in practice than the future chips 4ns of Winbond, which will use for their part a traditional packaging.

Plus the fact OCZ mentioned they had moved to a 0.13-micron IC process and Winbond are producing these CH-5 that are also 0.13-micron based.

Hmm, wonder if there might be an issue with certain batches of Winbond IC based memory that makes them dislike tRCD of 2 at high speeds. Might explain why TerroH8er and myself have problems with our OCZ EL memory, yet other NF7-S and nForce2 owners don't.
04-17-2003, 12:58 PM
spaceboy

Hi there!
some friend tried this CH-5 , i don't (i love my BH-5 :D )

they like TRCD @3
should run DDR 450 @2.85 cas 2-2-2-5
and 460 relaxed timing
this on 8RDA+

BH-5 are better by now!
04-17-2003, 05:05 PM
libertate

I have a 256 mb stick of corsair xms pc3200 c2 which uses bh-5...
I decided to take the heatspreader off so I could have a look for myself...

I think it's random, some have bh-6, some bh-5...
04-19-2003, 10:31 AM
TodB

So, here goes some results:

TwinMOS DDR466 TwinMOS 4.3ns chips:

TOP attained - 231MHz 2.0-4-3-2 2.9V ( 2.83V real )

TwinMOS DDR400 Winbond BH-5 chips:

TOP attained - 231MHz 2.0-4-3-2 2.9V ( 2.83 real )

TwinMOS DDR333 Winbond BH-6 chips:

TOP attained - 226MHz 2.0-4-3-2 2.9V ( 2.83V real )

It seems that the BH-5 is the same as the 4.3ns TM chips, the only difference is that those TM 4.3ns chips don't like Trcd = 2, and only 3.... so @225MHz the BH-5 is able to run 2.0-4-2-2 2.9V....

That all on EPoX 8RDA+ C1 ver. of the NV chips.... no mods on the Vdd...
04-19-2003, 12:54 PM
antipop

Quote:

Originally posted by T@nker-xXx
in france you can have a-data CH5 :D
but it's rare

Where, where, where?
Usually france is some week behind everybody and twice as more expensive as the us! I buy most of my cooling gear straight from the US.

If winbond as jus switch to 0.13µm, it will take some time before they fully master the process and have the same quality as 0.18µm. Anyway, i'd like to see a review from those chips
04-19-2003, 05:05 PM
GVCryan

Wow, now I just used deductive logic to guess the chip. Turns out I was right. guess I am not a dumb as I thought.
04-19-2003, 06:23 PM
twiztdskatr

any info on what chips OCZ PC3200 REV2 and EL use?
04-23-2003, 05:26 AM
KingInge2000

Will have a look at the CH-5 at the weekend.
04-23-2003, 06:21 AM
T@nker-xXx

tanker powered by Winbond CH-5 :D
04-23-2003, 07:36 AM
KingInge2000

What timings? What clockspeed?
04-23-2003, 08:41 AM
antipop

Yeah give us some more info, are they good?
04-23-2003, 12:35 PM
T@nker-xXx

nf7s
FSB222=>2 2 2 cas2
tomorow vdd :D
04-23-2003, 06:35 PM
KingInge2000

What VDimm? Everything under 2.8V rocks.
04-23-2003, 08:09 PM
cpulloverclock

Quote:

Originally posted by T@nker-xXx
tanker powered by Winbond CH-5 :D

I have 2 CH-5 too

today, I'll test them with a v2.0
04-23-2003, 10:47 PM
KingInge2000

Please test them @ around 2.8V. Max. FSB and max FSB @ 2-2-2-5
04-25-2003, 12:33 PM
c7775

Quote:

Originally posted by TodB
So, here goes some results:

TwinMOS DDR466 TwinMOS 4.3ns chips:

TOP attained - 231MHz 2.0-4-3-2 2.9V ( 2.83V real )

TwinMOS DDR400 Winbond BH-5 chips:

TOP attained - 231MHz 2.0-4-3-2 2.9V ( 2.83 real )

TwinMOS DDR333 Winbond BH-6 chips:

TOP attained - 226MHz 2.0-4-3-2 2.9V ( 2.83V real )

It seems that the BH-5 is the same as the 4.3ns TM chips, the only difference is that those TM 4.3ns chips don't like Trcd = 2, and only 3.... so @225MHz the BH-5 is able to run 2.0-4-2-2 2.9V....

That all on EPoX 8RDA+ C1 ver. of the NV chips.... no mods on the Vdd...

hiya my bulgarian friend... sorry but this query does not relate to computers... I am yet to test my winbond when it comes next week . BUT i wanted to ask you where you got the screenie for your avatar :)
04-25-2003, 12:47 PM
KingInge2000

No difference,
217 DC CL2 @ 2.77V nothing special
04-25-2003, 01:26 PM
cpulloverclock

225-227 7-2-2-2 rock stable with 2.72v (real)
04-25-2003, 09:49 PM
TodB

Quote:

Originally posted by Voodoo|Minion
hiya my bulgarian friend... sorry but this query does not relate to computers... I am yet to test my winbond when it comes next week . BUT i wanted to ask you where you got the screenie for your avatar :)

Well I saw it somewhere in the internet and though "Why not?" :)
What's up with the Prommy, drop me a PM If you like ;)
04-26-2003, 03:26 AM
T@nker-xXx

231 4 2 2 cas2 2.9v :d
04-29-2003, 09:57 AM
GenTarkin

My OCZ 3500EL on 845PE chipset also is sensitive to that setting u other 2 guyz experienced. Mine dont like it set to 2.
anywayz anyone know what powers these memory modules?
Mine wont do 192fsb 4:5 ratio. Iv heard that is 480mhz DDR but Ive seen many people pull this off...

I have a Epox 4PEA+ and at 192fsb its only stable 1:1 =( Ive tried Corsair XMS3200c2 also, would Corsair XMS3500 help me at all?

THANKS

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