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New bios 1402 now with downward multies
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New bios 1402 now with downward multies
Running my E6600 @ 375x8! and going for more!
http://www.masec.co.uk/steven/e6600@8x375.jpg
Flashing now.. :D
*results in a mo* ;)
i dont know about 975 chipset mobos , but ALL 965 chipset mobos downward the CPU multis since the begining, LOLOL
regards
it does work!! but in the bios, it shows i can change it from 20-6, if my default is 9, i wonder what 10 does.. ill be back!
It doesnt has to be with the chipset, but with the BIOS, at least Asus wanted to publish a BIOS that has real improvement... Now lets go for the Ai booster support... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Regards! :toast:
wow much needed i think :D
I would love to get my E6600 to 400x8 to get 3.2 and run my memory at its rated 800mhz and a 1:1 divider. I know what I'll be doing this evening.
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Originally Posted by Wrangler88
NO , you didnt understand , what they say is that you can lower the multi not rise the multi , if your default multi is x9 you cant use x10 , x11 or other else higher than default .
i thought all mobos can do that , i can lower multi with DS3 , DS4 and S3 since the begining.
the asus P5WDH didnt allow to downward the multi before this BIOS ???
regards
So the P5W nears the P5B D in the HOT board crown again. I need to go home sick and try it out, hehe.
So, currently I'm @ 400x9 1:1.
Is it even possible for my OCZ Plat 6400 REV. 2 to do 450x8 1:1?
Am I high?
*Cough* *Cough* Yep, I may need to go home also!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
ok beforei could only do with my 6600 was 378 x9, now i can do 420x8 but if i try 425x8 i get bios issues with my video card or somethigns the post screen is all screwed up, it did do manual times of 4,4,4,12,4 for my gskill hz's and it seems to take it ok.. anyone else with booting issues using the 8 multi and a 6600? oh yeah i tried putting in a mutli and 10 and it doesnt save it, also pc probe still says 256 degrees here and there..
did you lock your PCI-E frequency at 100mhz ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrangler88
heres a screenie
Because they use that configuration? 420*8 having an e6600, I with my ds3 it use asi but in 367*9 at vcore 1.375
Very damn cool.....:) May see some NEW SuperPi numbers...
OT: 965 users, how 'bout a “cease and desist” on the thread crapping already! :mad:
soo what's the result? Do you try the 10multi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrangler88
cause lowering multi x8 you wil get more speed RAM using 1:1 ;):Quote:
Originally Posted by EJTREM3
420x8 = 3360mhz and Ram 420mhz (DDR2-840) cl4-4-4-12
368x9 = 3312mhz but ram 368mhz (DDR2-736)Cl4-4-4-12 ( you can have more Mhz with Ram but not 1:1 , you have to use divisors ;) )
regards
i am using 4:5 mem divisor, at 458mhz in cas 5.
Is this still beta 'cause it's not on Asus's support site.
It works for me with e6400 cpu. Can go down to x7 with no problem up to about 425. After that windows hard locks after a short time.
Bios still needs better memory tweaking.
yep , but its not same ,is always better using 1:1, and also better performence .Quote:
Originally Posted by EJTREM3
regards
so it seams max FSB is 420/425 :Quote:
Originally Posted by Plaicd
Wrangler88 -- E6600 // 420 FSB
Plaicd --- E6400 // 425 FSB
regards
ok well heres what i found out after playing around.. my original setup was with an e6600
378x9 = 3.400 @ 1.55v (bios)
now
420x8=3.360 @ 1.55v (bios)
if i try anything over 421 the bios post looks all strange, anything over 423 and i get my video card bios is corrupt, that is with the pci-express on auto or locked at 100, or locked all the way up to 110, no differnce, tried the 7x multi thinking i could go higher than 420 with that, but still the same thing, anything over 421 and the bios is all screwy, seems they might still have some bugs in this bios version. also running the fsb at 420, my rams at 840, trying to use a divider to get 1050, makes the computer not boot, i dont think its the ram i relaxed the timings and every cranked the voltage and still no post, but now i get when it posted and it didnt do this the first few times, cpu ucode error... whats that mean.. anyone else able to get over 421??:confused:
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Originally Posted by Wrangler88
thats what i said before , it looks like the max FSB its around 420/425 FSB ( and with issues) .
Wrangler88 -- E6600 using x8 // 420 FSB
Plaicd --- E6400 using x7 // 425 FSB
try more vFSB , but i doubt you can run more than that >>> 975 chip7 timings .
regards
Thanks for posting this veryevil :toast:
I cant wait to get home, and try this bad boy out.
Are you all using ES chips or is the multi unlocked on retail processors too?
Great i was hoping for this, if I set my fsb at 7x433 what will i need to put my ram at?
Its Gskill NR 6400 at the mo im at fsb 333 x9 (3ghz) on my E6600 and ram is @ 833.
mmm i am not shure better perfomance, but my p5wdh is coming monday. :D
it's downward locked on retail and ES just using crystalmarkcpuid to drop multiplier for me as i am on 1101 bios and haven't tried 1402 yet
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5W...in19s593ms.png
you can can't go higher on fsb try loosening trfc, trd, and other memset timings.. if you can gain a few fsb by loosening them, then your memory is partially holding back your fsb.. try increasing vMCH and vdimm as well
mines retail, tried all voltages on max and still cant ge over 421, at least its a start... hopefully asus will have a working almost perfect bios by christmas!Quote:
Originally Posted by Durzel
ok this bios allows multi but in strange ways couldn't boot over 390 fsb whatever ram settings ( spd or manual )
does anyone get the same issues ?
:confused:
Well, If I'm correct based on this thread, http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=114998 you lowered your multiplier and raised your FSB to 421, you are stressing your chipset more than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrangler88
9/8 x 421 = 473.6 mhz or 1894.5 mhz on your chipset clock.
hence more vMCH needed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Icer
no probs on my P5W DH with E6700
@9x460fsb = 10/9 x 460 = 511.11mhz on chipset
@8x450fsb tested so far = 10/8 x 450 = 562.5mhz on chipset
vMCH = 1.85v water cooled
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5W...in55s750ms.png
more vdimm helped me tighten the memset timings otherwise i need to loosen tRFC from 35 to 42 for >452fsb.
it has to do with 975 tmings.
i dont bealive 975 can go much more than +- 420 FSB unless you guys could have access to that timings .
regards
Is that a geniune retail board though eva2000? I don't know what to believe on these forums anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Paid £200 for a P5W64 that arrived today on the strength of stuff I've read on here and it doesn't go over 420FSB 1:1 (6x420) regardless of vMCH. And this is on a CPU that I know does 3.6Ghz dual Prime stable, and memory that does 500Mhz (G.Skill PC2-6400 2GB HZ).
:mad:
And you base this on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
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Originally Posted by pcdoc1
thats more than proved that 965 have more relaxed times than 975 and thats the main reason they can run much more FSB but the results are also worse , like in Superpi ate same CPU Speed you have less +- 1 second with a 975 than with 965 .Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
and it looks like the new revision of 965 (C2) have even more relaxed times than the actual revision 965 (c1) cause can run even more FSB but the results are even worse than the 965 (c1)
regards
regards
well it is from Asus direct but it's straight off the production line ... on stock out of the box it won't do >440-445fsb without loosening memset timings - once loosened 450fsb was fine and 1M pi 473fsb was fine on E6600 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Durzel
Water cooled MCH helped, pencil mod vdimm increase from 2.4v vdimm max to 2.51-2.54v vdimm helped, phase change cooling helped...
Biggest change i think was vMCH cooling/voltage and increased vdimm available.
vMCH cooling/voltage = help increase max fsb and help increase max mem clocks
vdimm increase = help allow memory to handle tighter memset timings thus higher fsb max - you can confirm this by trying to run downclock mem divider 4:3 etc and see if max fsb improves - if it does, chances are more vMCH/vdimm volts will help increase max fsb.
I remounted the stock passive heatpipe on P5W DH when i first got it several times, each time got a different max fsb with a variance of 5-11fsb! Worst mount limited me to 432fsb max hehe
Right contact on MCH/NB core helps too!
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Originally Posted by eva2000
thats the reasons you are the only one getting more than 420 FSB .
i bet a regular 975 Mobo with NO MODS can get Highs FSB cause the reason i already said --- chip7 timings that we dont have access
regards
I didn`t see a p5w doing 7 x 535 on air ( http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=120669 ) , I think the p5b Deluxe get`s the hot board crown.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Good news :toast: Have to test this right away then :woot:
I've booted into windows @ 9x423FSB. 1:1 4-4-4-8Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
I guess it's time to break out the soldering iron and NB WaterBlock....LOL 500FSB here I come!! LOL :toast: :banana:
Edit: I do have a fan blowing on the NB, maybe that helped get over the 420 FSB wall???? I don't know.
Sorry, this is the same old garble that's been posted here for weeks. A little less speculation and a little more fact is in order... Now if we let people that actually own the 975 product test the theory now that they have downward multipliers rather than have 965 owners who don't have clue continue to speculate, we might finally have an anwser... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Thanks for that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
One thing I can't understand at all...
I've seen people on here talking about getting 470FSB "no mods". I'm assuming they mean they haven't touched anything. Then I read the Hexus review of the P5W64 where they say they got 500FSB just by changing vMCH to 1.7.
I get my P5W64 today, hook it all up - haven't touched a thing except change voltages in the BIOS (all the obvious things like HyperPath 3, etc disabled) and I cant Clockgen over 410 reliably whether my memory is SPD or manual, or my vMCH is Auto or 1.8v.
I'm seriously missing something I guess.... does the board change the strap after 400FSB?
im not speculat nothing , are facts .Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
why do you think new revison C2 965 can run 600 FSB???? >>> i bet its because have even more relaxed times than the previous revison 965 C1 , but for example results in super pi 965 C2 its even worse than 965 C1 ;)
if you think this is only BS and teory keep with your teory ;)
Now that ppl can try low multis lets see if im wrong or not ( im not saying i am right ) .
you can count with 3 or 4 fingers of one hand the ppl who can run more than +- 420 FSB in regular 975 mobos with NO MODS and most of them with ES chips .
at least i have a " theory" for that, let us hear yours , its also wellcome .
regards
Let's refer to the third post in this thread.....
Let's cut the thread crapping and get back OT, and we'll know soon enough won't we....Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
???????????????????????????????Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
what the heck that post have to do with my theory about ppl cant get over 420 FSB with P5WDH ?????
ok you dont have a theory , thnks i already knew it
and if you read the thread i never get OFF topic , are you sure your feeling OK???
whatever , keep the bicycle .
guys if you can find a way to beat the 420 FSB wall post it , we apreciate
regards
On my P5W without Vmch V-mod at 1.65V is maximal frequency 419MHz. After V-Mod and Vmch 1.75V is my max stable FSB 440MHz. For better FSB frequency than 420MHz you need raise Vmch voltage.
wow i just flashed to 1401 last night
I just realised how pointless it is for me to have this in bios LOL..
I'd much prefer to be able to set tRFC and tRD in the bios, that's what I REALLY want asus to implement..
Yeh, me too, I think this bios sets tighter tRFC than any other bios. I'm thinking I'm going back to 1401..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykou
Why don`t you ask eva2000 ? He has direct contact with asus :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
would it be out of line to ask him why vdroop is intentionally present on all ASUS boards?
AFAIK, they're working on such a bios hehQuote:
Originally Posted by Pjoeloe
Eva knows about the tRFC thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Pjoeloe
edit: oops too late :p
There are definitely some different memory settings going on with this bios. My week 27 6600 does 3.3ghz default volts, & 3.6ghz with 1.475v set in bios. I have to set vcore over 1.525v get it to boot @ 3.6ghz. I just tried 445 FSB to see if it was the ram or something & it failed 8 MB Pi. Loaded memset changed timings, it passed 8 MB Pi.
Yeh same here, it seems to be setting different tRFC at certain dividers/timings than other bios revisions :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
The power down feature that allows the overclocks to work is no longer functioning properly. I think thats why I'm having trouble overclocking with this bios. That said this bios is still very promising for when its finalized. Its nice to see that asus is trying to get the P5W DH options equal to the P5B. I was not going to get the P5B because 8X sli is a must for me. I still might try abits new board if asus doesn't come through with a good bios soon.
When you say its "no longer functioning properly" what do you mean? Do you mean it doesn't power down now (cold boot) when you do a reset?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
If it doesn't that's good news surely?
Does cooperate with SpeedStep? If I set it to a lower multi, will it artificially cap the multi at the one I've set it at, instead of reverting to the default multiplier?
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Originally Posted by Durzel
Yeah, good news for the Vapo users. :banana:
The Nemesis please confirm, thanks
Nice bios... but i think, the other one was a bit more stable at the same settings... :slapass:
with my p5w, both 1401 and 1402 will make pcie to crap out at 1.9v vmch whereas with 1305 and earlier ones it was good 'til ~1.98v.
as i have currently running at 1.91v i'll skip this bios :) as i have 6400, don't have any features to miss.
another thing - with 1305 i have trc (bank cycle time) 16 in cpu-z, whereas with 1402 i had 8. all memset timings stayed exactly as they are.
edit: i have to recheck the last bit because trc = tras + trp and should've been the same with both bioses...
hum, this bios is very buggy with my rig, i get issues running futuremark and made all my benchmarks messyQuote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
lost about 4000 pts in 3dmark05 and freezes the whole system , very unstable as never before !! :mad:
tRD / read delay - shut down after saving bios boot problem is fixed for the P5WDG2-WS PRO see http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...3&postcount=42 :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Now the Row refresh cycle time (tRFC) :p:
For me its not doing the power down after setting bios overclocks. Its not doing it after a restart from windows either. Its not consistent, there were a few times it did power down. I finally stopped overclocking with it because of the weird or corupt bios screens I was getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durzel
Sounds like a pretty buggy BIOS, but then I suppose it is beta.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
At least enabling multiplier adjustment in the BIOS is a step in the right direction. Shame it's not available only to ES chips though, wondering why I paid out the extra now ;) (joke!)
Was the OC Profile working prior to this bios. I haven't tried it since the 1101. Works fine on this bios though. May go back to trying some overclocks now.
TONY have a good explanation :
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All 975 boards have issues above 350fsb 1:1 due to the nature of the strap settings and memory ratio's. What I am saying is for Abit to stand a chance they HAVE to implement the 1333 option in bios for you to choose at 350ish and this will allow the board to sale thru 350fsb to well over 400+fsb. The issue is this though, ram performance will be slower. Now i asked abit to add the NB latency settings into bios also with the hope that the 1333 slowness could be countered by altering the latency, pretty much like you saw on the IC7 boards.
Micron based dimms are more tollerant and give the memory controller an easier time...they will allow 1;1 and above 350fsb easier using the 1067 strap, but they will still top out.
ALL the 975 boards at this time excpet badaxe are using the 1067 strap and not moving to the 1333..this is the reason they are ALL clocking less than 965. 965 is also a better clocking chipset and will clock higher in the strap range than 975 but it does still top out, this is why we see asus using 1333 at 400 and up.
So in short the dimms may limit you a little yes, the nature of the chipset is also limiting you and unavailable bios options
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=115839&page=4
I think I'll stick with my 400x9.
That would explain a lot! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Is Tony saying that the Asus 965 DOES switch to 1333 at 400? Or doesn't? Didn't he say only the Badaxe did it properly? Not quite sure I understand specifically what he's saying.
:rolleyes: I saw in another thread the new P5W64-WS PRO also beeing able to lower the multi. So does this BIOS also work for the WS series?
I'm using the P5WDG2-WS PRO and I'm still not sure to flash or not.. :confused:
Someone already tried ???
Dont even try at best it just wont let you flash it, worst you will have a dead boad.Quote:
Originally Posted by camouflage
Just wait until you get a new bios rev for your board.
New bios 1403 Beta
http://taskforce.no-ip.info/pics/ASU.../p5wdh1403.zip
And
MemSet for 3.0 version:
Memset 3.0
If I resume changes between 2.1:
-add support for Intel 965 ,AMD A64 ddr&ddr2;
-not necessary to install/uninstall driver;
-Save function was simplified.
-finally all the code was changed...