The latest best from Super Talent --> T1000UX2G4 OCing Report <-- C2D & AM2 tested!!!

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It's time for yet another OCing Report! This time, I'm going to take a close look at THE latest & greatest from Silicon Valley's SuperTalent - 2x1GB DDR2 kit T1000UX2G4. I'm sure SuperTalent is a company that many enthusiasts are familiar with, although it has not been "featured" in awful lot of XS members' results threads so far. I wanted to change that and bring a fresh feel to XB - variety is good, right? Thanks to folks at SuperTalent, I have received this kit for evaluation and will put it through some tests aimed to show its overclocking potentail. One thing I would like to point out here is, that although this new product has been announced on August 9th, I have not yet managed to find any e-tailer that would have it in stock and ready to ship. I looked at he list of all US resellers that are mentioned on their website and none of them have it listed at the time of writting this piece. I will get an official word from SuperTalent concerning availability of this part.

For those of you that would like to find a little background on SuperTalent, I will mention that this company has been in business of making memory products for over 20 years now. Research work and production takes place here in Sillicon Valley, in one of the largest and most advanced memory module manufacturing facilities in USA. Folks at HardwareSecrets.com have visited Super Talent's factory earlier this year and were taken on a tour - a must see article!


After this short introduction, it's time to take a look at some pretty pictures :)

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ckage1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ckage2_4x3.jpg

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc.../front_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4/back_4x3.jpg

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc.../cross_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...angle1_4x3.jpg

As you can see, you really can't miss T1000UX2G4!!! Bright blue, cast aluminium heatspreader with embedded logo is a show-stopper! It has ridges that increase surface area and therefore offer better heat dissipation compared to a solution used before. This kit initiates a change of the heatspreader for a whole overclocking line of Super Talent's memory. For those interested in details on ICs used, T1000UX2G4 is built with Micron's 2.5ns DRAM components, also known as "D9GKX". This is the highest bin coming from Micron at this moment and the price of this kit clearly reflects that :)


Well, let's get with the the results, shall we? :up:

*** Testing on INTEL platform ***

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...5BDtestbed.jpg

Testbed Configuration
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 w/boxed cooler
ASUS P5B Deluxe (Intel 965P), BIOS 0507 official & 0609 beta
Super Talent T1000UX2G4 2x1024MB
Single EVGA 7800GTX KO @ 490+40/1390, ForceWare 84.21, High Performance driver settings

This yet unmodded motherboard delivers DDR2 voltage up to 2.45v. Measured with a digital multimeter, it's almost spot on - reporting 2.47v when idle and stressed. For the purpose of this write-up, this is the maximum voltage being used. Note that, AiSuite (ASUS' own monitoring software shown on each screenshot) reports 2.45v in BIOS as 2.40v.

--- Part1: Overclocking @ rated 8-4-5-4.0 ---

BEST SHOT (benchable, but not "rock-stable") ---> DDR2-1170 @ 2.45v

SuperPi 32M.......................Dual SuperPI 32M
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...54_32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ual32M_4x3.jpg


MAX ALL-STABLE ---> DDR2-1160 @ 2.45v

SuperPi 32M.......................Dual SuperPI 32M................ORTHOS LargeFFT...............Memtest For Windows
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...54_32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ual32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...FT_2hr_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4W1000_4x3.jpg

3DMark2001 & 3DM03.........3DMark05...........................3 DMark06..........................Aquamark3
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM03_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM05_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM06_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...54_AM3_4x3.jpg

Sandra 2007 Buffered.........Sandra 2007 Unbuffered......Everest Ultimate C&M..........WinRAR Benchmark
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...raBuff_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...Unbuff_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...verest_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...WinRAR_4x3.jpg


--- Part2: Overclocking @ 8-4-4-4.0 ---

BEST SHOT (benchable, but not "rock-stable") ---> DDR2-1120 @ 2.45v

SuperPi 32M.......................Dual SuperPI 32M
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...44_32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ual32M_4x3.jpg


MAX ALL-STABLE ---> DDR2-1080 @ 2.45v

SuperPi 32M.......................Dual SuperPI 32M................ORTHOS LargeFFT...............Memtest For Windows
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...44_32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ual32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...OS_1hr_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4W1000_4x3.jpg

3DMark2001 & 3DM03.........3DMark05...........................3 DMark06..........................Aquamark3
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM03_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM05_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM06_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...44_AM3_4x3.jpg


--- Part3: Overclocking @ 8-3-4-3.0 ---

MAX ALL-STABLE ---> DDR2-880 @ 2.45v

SuperPi 32M.......................Dual SuperPI 32M................ORTHOS LargeFFT...............Memtest For Windows
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...43_32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ual32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...OS_2hr_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...4W1000_4x3.jpg

3DMark2001 & 3DM03.........3DMark05...........................3 DMark06..........................Aquamark3
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM03_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM05_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM05_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...43_AM3_4x3.jpg


--- Part4: Overclocking @ 8-3-3-3.0 ---

BEST SHOT (benchable, but not "rock-stable") ---> DDR2-864 @ 2.45v

SuperPi 32M.......................Dual SuperPI 32M
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...33_32M_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ual32M_4x3.jpg


--- Part5: The Highest Frequency (SPi32M must pass) ---

BEST SHOT ---> DDR2-1200 10-5-5-5.0 @ 2.45v

SuperPi 32M
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...55_32M_4x3.jpg

*** Testing on AMD platform ***

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...SLItestbed.jpg

Testbed Configuration
AMD A64 AM2 3200+ "Orleans"
M2N-SLI Deluxe(nForce570 SLI), BIOS 0307 official
Super Talent T1000UX2G4 2x1024MB
Single EVGA 7800GTX KO @ 490+40/1390, ForceWare 84.21, Performance driver settings

This mainboard has been volt-modded to provide higher DDR2 voltage (up to ~3.15v). However, for the purpose of this test, I have limited myself to only what stock, unmodded board could normally supply, which is maximum 2.50v in BIOS. Measuring actual voltage before board was vmodded, reported 2.51v. Therefore this is what I will be using for this part of my Report... High voltage treatment I'm saving for my other thread, that I have started earlier ;)

--- Super Talent T1000UX2G4 and EPP

Super Talent joined few other memory manufacturers out there and implemented EPP with their new T1000UX2G4. For those of you not yet familiar with EPP, I will quote this short explanation:

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Jointly developed by Corsair and NVIDIA® as a new open memory standard, Enhanced Performance Profiles elevate memory performance by taking full advantage of the additional memory parameters (such as Command rate, memory voltage) that are now added to the unused portion of the JEDEC standard Serial Presence Detect (SPD). Enhanced Performance Profiles brings simplified overclocking success for entry enthusiasts, and access to more advanced memory specifications and a higher recovery point to hard-core overclockers.

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My testing platform, M2N-SLI Deluxe, doesn't support this feature, therefore I can't show you any BIOS shots or few tests to picture the way it works. But in short, EPP gives a little jump-start for those enthusiasts that are just making first steps into the art of overclocking. It allows to automatically adjust memory's performance level by selecting corresponding profile. All you need is a nForce590 SLI motherboard that supports it, e.g. ASUS M2N32-SLI or DFI LanParty NF590 SLI-MR2/G. Everest Ultimate Edition gives an option to look at 2 performance profiles that Super Talent provided for us on T1000UX2G4.

http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...0UX2G4/EPP.png

There is High Frequency profile (DDR2-1000 15-4-5-4.0-2T @ 2.3v) and High Performance profile (DDR2-800 12-4-5-5.0-2T @ 2.2v). I think, HP profile could actually use somewhat more aggressive approach (perhaps 10-3-4-4.0-2T).


--- Part1: Overclocking @ 8-4-4-4.0 ---

BEST SHOT (benchable, but not "rock-stable") ---> DDR2-1112 @ 2.51v

SuperPi 32M
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._32M_1_4x3.jpg


MAX ALL-STABLE ---> DDR2-1100 @ 2.51v

SuperPi 32M.......................ORTHOS LargeFFT...............Memtest For Windows
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...i32M_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...04_2hr_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...1000_1_4x3.jpg

3DMark2001 & 3DM03.........3DMark05...........................3 DMark06..........................Aquamark3
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._3DM03_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...DM05_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...DM06_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...00_AM3_4x3.jpg

Sandra 2007 Buffered.........Sandra 2007 Unbuffered......Everest Ultimate C&M..........WinRAR Benchmark
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ered_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...ered_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...rest_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...nRAR_1_4x3.jpg


--- Part2: Overclocking @ 8-3-3-3.0 ---

BEST SHOT (benchable, but not "rock-stable") ---> DDR2-872 @ 2.51v

SuperPi 32M
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._32M_1_4x3.jpg


MAX ALL-STABLE ---> DDR2-860 @ 2.51v

SuperPi 32M.......................ORTHOS LargeFFT...............Memtest For Windows
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._32M_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...2004_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...1000_1_4x3.jpg

3DMark2001 & 3DM03.........3DMark05...........................3 DMark06..........................Aquamark3
http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...DM03_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...DM05_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc...DM06_1_4x3.jpghttp://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/sc..._AM3_1_4x3.jpg

*** Conclusion ***

When I first read about the details of upcoming Super Talent's T1000UX2G4 I knew they had just found an a ace up in their sleve! New heatspreader, EPP and DDR2-1000 rating at CAS4 signaled that Super Talent put a lot of effort and pride in it. I could not wait to put it through my testing and was almost sure that results will not dissapoint. I was right, T1000UX2G4 delivered very nice 16% headroom (DDR2-1160) in overclockability at rated 10-4-5-4.0 just by boosting voltage a little.

SuperTalent proved yet again that their new T1000UX2G4 is a top notch product that can satisfy the most demanding hardcore enthusiats, who do not settle for anything else than the best. The famous Latin frase by Julius Cesar fits and describes perfectly what Super Talent did with U1000UX2G4 - Veni, Vidi, Vici... - I came, I saw, I conquered :)

Héhé, I look for your result with impatience :)
I hope we will see some 2.8V action.

Comparing Intel and AM2 platform is very cute :D

looking forward to see what they do on am2. past history with my k9n plat and p5wd2 is that micron d9gmh clocks about the same, but at much tighter timings on the am2 platform.... :D

MUST....HAVE!!!!!! those are pretty sweet numbers for the ram, and they are blue! my favorite color for PC parts!!!! when/where/how much can they be had for?

forget the amount of time you have put into those benches...nice freakin work BTW, but those Pi times are damn decent at the clocks you were spitting them out at. very nicely done BA...

Excellent review! :clap:
Looks like this took a lot of time.

definitely looking forward to the Am2 testing

What an amazing review. Kudos to B_A for the crystal clear presentation as well as real-life performance. I was sort of tired of seeing single instance of SP runs of all those memory benches. Yes, I know this is XtremeSystems and I am not accusing anyone of showing only SP 1M. But some folks here are interest in not only SP 1M but also 24/7 stability, and reviews like this is 100 times more beneficial than a single instance 32M run with sky-high CPU frequencies.

Thanks again for this comprehensive and realistic review.

Them things are ugly... Hoping you make them look pretty on AM2!

nice ram there and nice report :)

P5B DX sure does bring out the best in memory oc'ing

Very good review,your comprehensive and real world testing gives a true reflection of what these new modules are capable of for the average enthusiast buyer.Well done and thanks.

amazing simply amazing review :clap:

Nice with some reviews :)

Hope you geet to keep it for you hardwork ;)

excelent review, lots of ss

Thanks a lot guys :toast:
It is indeed time consuming to test T1000UX2G4 on both platforms, but this kit is quite fun to play with, actually. I don't mind it at all as it was my idea that I had in mind for a few weeks now :) I'm slowly progressing with testing this kit on Socket AM2 platform and you can check out my 1st AM2 update ("Overclocking @ 8-3-3-3.0") in post #3.

As for availability, I have been informed today that two stores should have it in stock any day now - Ewiz in US and PowerChargers in UK. There will be a shortage of those for a first few weeks, due to rather tight supply of Micron 800MHz ICs, from what I was told.

Stay tuned for few more updates. I plan to have this OCing Report completed by Thursday :up: Thanks a lot for interest and If you have any requests, just shoot!

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Great report buddy! We can say that not only Gskill HZ can reach high clocks. 250$ for 2x1GB is a quite good price for that memories.

B_A you are the hardest working man on the memory side of the forums. Always so darn thorough. Even if you were also the fastest working man on the memory side of the forums it would still seem to add up to a lot of man hours. Your efforts are truly appreciated. The results are always great reference material.

Now that I have the :kissbutt: portion of my post out of the way, a couple of questions. On your P5B did you have any issue with 1:1 fsb/memory issues? Some have mentioned a "no mans land" between 340 and 400. Maybe you only had time to test at 2:3. Clearly that divider showcases the memory best. I'm also wondering if you saw much difference in the memory performance going from 2.4v to 2.45v.

Sorry if my questions are a bit off topic. Are these the single sticks of the kit you tested?

This, I believe, is that data sheet form their site.

http://www.supertalent.com/SuperTale...2G4%20spec.pdf

Keep i t up BA! Thanks

That is one hell of alot of testing time you put into this, you sure earn your review RAM. Cheers bro. :toast:

quite nice... gj ba

Wow... theres alot of work there, good luk with the other testing...

Nice stuff .... the design of the heatspreaders are just cool =D.

As for the rams itself ... fantastic overclockability.

Any idea how much this will retail at ?

nice review.....i am jealous now. need to contact ST to get a sample. again well done bachus_anonym.

Looks like these arent available at EWiz anymore. Too bad I was very interested in picking up a pair.

Hey guys! I'm back again with a CAS3 update on SocketAM2 setup, plus a short introduction of EPP profiles on T1000UX2G4. Check out an updated post #3 :)

To answer few questions, I've also noticed that Ewiz does no longer list even those single 1GB modules, that gundamit linked to. I was actually a bit surprised when I saw that, instead of a full 2GB kit. From what I have looked around, these are now only available in UK and Australia (Ninetek has stock). I was hoping that US would have them available first, though.

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and Australia (Ninetek has stock).

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pukes:stick:

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Hey Bandwidth addicts

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Just a heads up. the link on the front page to this thread is a bad link. Notified the administrator by email.

Asdie from that, awesome memory. :toast:

ummm....somethings wrong here. there website says... 4-5-4-15...did they change the memory???


I see in a screenshot now the spd says 4-5-4-15

I have some DDR800 and I think they are really good.

I wish I could have bought the DDR1000 ones they look awesome , also thankyou very much for the review.

Great review BA :D :clap:

Super Talent has been steep in prices in previous days :eek: Have you got any prices on this memory?

Nice looking ram I really like the heat spreaders :D

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Just a heads up. the link on the front page to this thread is a bad link. Notified the administrator by email. Asdie from that, awesome memory. :toast:

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Oh, link has been fixed the day you pointed that out, but I just forgot to reply here :) Thanks for heads up!

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Great review BA :D :clap: Super Talent has been steep in prices in previous days :eek: Have you got any prices on this memory?

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Honestly I have no idea what the story is on this, Ron. Last time I emailed SuperTalent about it I was told that availability will be very limited due to Micron ICs supply issues. From what I have seen, none of US stores have it and I found it listed ONLY, as mentioned earlier, in Australia (Ninetek) and UK (PowerChargers).

I think I will drop ST a line again and check if there is any progress :)

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Nice looking ram I really like the heat spreaders :D

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They are damn bright, aren't they? :lol: I also like it...

Thanks for interest in this little review, guys :)

so we cannot get the T1000UX2G4 right now. newegg has the corsair twin2x2048-6400c3 in stock now. but it is $499.00 !!!....on the other hand the T800UX2G4 is available at $309.00....similar timmings. dunno which one to get. don't want to waste 200 bigones on a tad bit of performace. any suggestions? I am torn between the two...have the money for either....

Top notch work, Bachus. Very informative and presented spectacularly.

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MUST....HAVE!!!!!! those are pretty sweet numbers for the ram, and they are blue! my favorite color for PC parts!!!! when/where/how much can they be had for?

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ew, blue? this dull blue would look pretty bad against my OCZ... but it isn't the looks that makes this thing so kick ass, lol.

Thanks for the nice review, bachus.

But I, for one, am getting really tired of these DDR2 low latency paper launches. Everyone can blame Micron IC (Corsair is doing it too on their forums), but part of running a business is making honest and accurate representations about your ability to get a product to market. Funny how they always seem to get sticks to the extreme OCers and the review sites, but never to NewEgg.

Vaporware!

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But I, for one, am getting really tired of these DDR2 low latency paper launches. Everyone can blame Micron IC (Corsair is doing it too on their forums), but part of running a business is making honest and accurate representations about your ability to get a product to market. Funny how they always seem to get sticks to the extreme OCers and the review sites, but never to NewEgg. Vaporware!

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You're right and I don't think anyone is going to be able to deny the fact that T1000UX2G4 has been quite impossible to come by. About 2 weeks ago, in response to my email, I was told pretty much what I have expected. From what I was informed a while ago, this kit is built with Micron's DDR2-800 parts (D9GKX) and these have been in extremely low supply for the past 2 months. Therefore shortage of T1000UX2G4. On the other hand, Super Talent's T800UX2GC4 (which used to be D9GKX) is quite available and that leads me to believe they switched to D9GMH (I believe it has been confirmed somewhere), which supply situation is a bit better, although not as great as many vendors would like it to be.

I was told, that as soon as they are able to buillt more of T1000UX2G4, it will be available at Newegg right away. As you noticed, other memory manufacturers are also having same problems with their fastest rated DDR2 lines (8000 or 8500 ), so this is an industry-wide shortage. Some manufacturers seem to switch to D9GMH for their high bins and maybe this is some sort of workaround at this moment...