http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34243
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34247
After reading a title I was surprised in a good way! but then I saw the link.. INQ.. :stick:
22 nm where that come from? I thought 32nm is the bottom :confused:Quote:
Gueldner also revealed that AMD had already created its first 45 nm test chips. In the distant future they will be followed by 32 nm and 22 nm products.
Well,never mind theInq,because that was official AMD info(from director of Dresden production fabs).If he says October,than October it is(for large 65nm shipments)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackX
It would be really great but the thing is that the inq not reliable source anymore. I want to read that "official" info on the other web.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
65nm processor could have been out months ago but AMD once again is being slow and methodical with their process moves
That's good though right? I hope they clock well...Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Yeild improvement != flawless designQuote:
Originally Posted by SoddemFX
Anyone think that these will OC as good as the Core 2 Duos? Or better?
how could we know :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Radeon117X
Down with Conroe !
Seems we have few programs that take advantage of 2 cores..
I damn sure hope they do :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Radeon117X
Intel does the same thing. The difference is that Intel has much more engineers and fabrication power so it takes much less time to optimise a process.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I really hope AMD can take back the performance lead, but if Intel focusses on making the fastest processor instead of the best selling I'm affraid AMD doesn't stand a chance in the future.
Unless things have changed drastically in the last month, AMD plans to offer 65nm cpus within the same thermal envelopes as their 90nm cpus at clock speeds of up to 2.4GHz by the end of 2006.
Will be interesting to follow for sure..
This sounds good, I hope these come out that soon and force intel prices down :D. Also can anyone specualte wether these will have an even worse coldbug?, I've heard bad things in that department about AMD 65nm :(...
AMD keeps their NDA's VERY tight, you should know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
but looks like ill hold off moving to AM2 so I can try out a 65nm chip.
what makes you think 65nm will be hitting s939?
for sure they will do that.... that's where the money is, they have enough controll over the 90nm process that they all can make EE chips or 5200/FX 1mb serie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
by the end of the year when fab36 is ramping you will see the 65Watt power envelope as standard cpu.
think twice what the cost will be of a dualcore chip 2x512 cache on 65nm, its half the size of a conroe. What type of pricewar is intel going to start? amd can make chips now at the price of a sempron. Intel needs 45nm to stay on top with their big cache.
the one guy who gave us early looks at amd products is no longer here at XS.Quote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
the_INQ != AMDQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
Where can we read or hear AMD official or unofficial statement from any employee about this?
That slide if not fake is about socketF, not interesting for most of us.
According to AMD, they won't be substantially converted to 65nm production until mid-2007. I think you're exagerating when you say that a 2x512 cache 65nm X2 will be half the size of Conroe/Allendale. You also neglected to consider that AMD's sSOI process is more expensive than Intel's sS process and that Intel's higher volume manufacturing has other cost saving advantages. There are numerous other factors to consider, not the least of which being that in order to truly compete with C2D, AMD needs to quickly ramp their dual-core clock speeds to 3.5GHz at <80W TDP or introduce the K8L architecture way ahead of schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
If we consider overclocking, 65nm K8s better reach 4GHz+ with air-cooling if they hope to take on C2D.
I think they will, with Vista's 64-bit OS.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
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It's not coming before nov/dec...most likely dec.
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Originally Posted by ozzimark
why not ?
i have not seen him in a while
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Originally Posted by nn_step
please tell me where i have even mentioned s939.
you gotta take your head out of your gotta-have-fifty-posts-a-day ass, and read what your replying to.
so these will be am2
the articles from the_INQ are refering to socketF servers. look at the title of the PDF document on the screenshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by osiris999
but we don't know if they will be.
Regardless if it comes out in october or ends up being december. It means good things for the consumer, more price wars.
I can imagine someone or a group of folks at AMD that surf the forums and spend the day entertained at all the speculation over specs for chips and related hardware/software.
<<<<<<< grabs a bag of tortilla chips and salsa and some green tea and continues to read.
you will have quad core for am2 so dont worry.
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Originally Posted by The Ghost
He got fed up with threads like these, seems like every amd or intel thread these days turns into a debate about something unrelated.
i thought that he had just got busy , but i see now that he has not posted for almost three monthsQuote:
He got fed up with threads like these, seems like every amd or intel thread these days turns into a debate about something unrelated.
yeah i think you should be able to find him at OCX... im not sure though.
Really . looking at it purely from the cost of sand,. Which is more expensive to produce . SOI sand . or Stresssed sand. Than lets look at wafer size . Intel has been at 300 for some time and AMD is struggling to get theirs mature.Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
Intel is working on 450 wafers presently . But I don't think will see until 2010 or later.
Its all about choice you can buy a slower AMD cpu and save a few bucks . Or you can buy an Intel cpu for best performance . Bottom line its your choice . Intel makes higher margins than AMD thats the way it is thats the way it will remain. I personnally can't wait for the Dragon cpu's from China to catch up . Than the party shall really begin.
where did you get this at ? is it just something that you just made up ?Quote:
Intel has been at 300 for some time and AMD is struggling to get theirs mature.
the reason why amd took so long to go to 300mm wafers was mostly due to the cost , amd lets intel go spin it's wheels , and then goes in for the stuff when it is proven , and getting cheaper , just like DDR2
and i thought that intel had to wait for some one to manufacture 450mm wafers , unless you think that intel actually builds the wafers ?Quote:
Intel is working on 450 wafers presently . But I don't think will see until 2010 or later.
then they have to build the fab for 450mm wafers
450mm: not in this decade say executives
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Art...executives.htm
Monday 17 July 2006
Now that 300mm technology is becoming mainstream, analysts and chipmakers are beginning to talk about 450mm wafers. But this time, it appears to be just talk.
Both Applied Materials and Novellus, two of the biggest makers of capital equipment for building wafers, say the option is not even on the foreseeable horizon. And while executives at both companies do not discount it could happen someday, that day is a long way off.
“Eventually, at the right time, there will be enough impetus for 450mm,” said Mike Splinter, president and CEO of Applied Materials. “But volumes have to grow significantly for there to be enough motivation. We’re nowhere near reaching the potential of 300mm.”
He noted that 300mm has anywhere between six and eight more generations of process nodes before it will be necessary to consider 450mm. “I don’t think in the next 10 years it’s viable.”
If true, this is a pretty lame reason to quit as he will get the same on any forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30179
http://www.fabtech.org/content/view/1665/
The well documented difficulties with the 300 mm transition have led some to question whether 300 mm will be the last wafer size — and yet the 2004 update of the ITRS calls for 450 mm wafer production in 2012. This article will discuss the results of simulation studies carried out on 450 mm wafer production costs vs. 300 mm wafer production costs.
I guess we have to wait till 2008 to see whose wheels are spinning when Intel goes back to Rambus for its memory solution. Iam am very sure none of us intel users would mine seeing intel using XDR ram rather than DDR3 . If Intel doesn't Back DDR3 . Lets see how fast it ramps. XDR has been out now for quit a while . So its mature enough and by the Time Intel uses it in the Nehalem package it will be extremely fast.
wel i know that yu do not want to match your first link with ymy link , because you provided a second link that agrees with my linkQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
thank you
450mm wafer adoption down to Applied Materials Print E-mail
http://www.fabtech.org/content/view/1665/
Tuesday, 18 July 2006
SEMATECH maybe the industry consortia trusted with the task of producing the cost/business models for the possible wafer size migration after 300mm but it's plain to see that Intel Corp is the company most heavily behind the modelling work.
Though Intel may want to move to the 450mm wafer size ten years after the adoption of 300mm wafers, it's impossible to find any equipment company executive prepared to put any toes in the water and commit to the large scale expenditure to develop the processing tools to handle the larger wafers.
from your second source
it is more then 3 months , since the last time he posted over thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
I try to be opened minded. As I said I doubt 450mm be around by 2010 but if intel wants it I think they will get what they want . Break threws occur every day . Plus the fact that AM CEO is an x intel man does not hurt Intel position here.
why doesn't intel just shoot directly to xdr2 instead of just xdrQuote:
I guess we have to wait till 2008 to see whose wheels are spinning when Intel goes back to Rambus for its memory solution. Iam am very sure none of us intel users would mine seeing intel using XDR ram rather than DDR3 . If Intel doesn't Back DDR3 . Lets see how fast it ramps.
do you have anything good that intel has to say about xdr memory
here is the good stuff intel has to say about FBdimms
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/rese...ors/250634.htm
Provides over 3 times higher memory throughput† allowing for superior application responsiveness
Enables increased capacity and speed to balance capabilities of dual core processors
Allows for Intel® I/O Acceleration Technology to more quickly access and process data
Performs reads and writes simultaneously; eliminating the previous read to write blocking latency
Supports a faster front side bus
i'm always interested in learning something new
Since this is all subjective anyway I used XDR only as an example. Since the Inquirer articles points to Rdimms and micro buffers. If this story has any merit to it . I am reasonabably sure it would be XDR2 were talking about.
Now my wife's brother inlaw told me that Intel may be looking to buy rambus befor the inquirer article came out. That got me excited. When we were discussing this issue on the phone I reminded him that it was he that told me that AMD was't buying ATI. Since he was the engineer on the R500's memory controller and had told the ATI he was leaving them to work for Intel . He said he was left out of the loop on that one. I can except that.
He also reminded me that Intel shopping for rambus was just skuttlebutt at the present time.
But it would be a huge slapp in the face to both AMD and ATI . Since the ATI memory controller uses some rambus tech . That does have a lincense agreement in place.
as big as intel is , it would have to jump thru a bunch of hoops to buy rambusQuote:
He also reminded me that Intel shopping for rambus was just skuttlebutt at the present time.
that would be like if intel wanted to buy amd , mission impossible
also would that not be a stop toward a monopoly?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
Though if they are anything like M$ then I am sure they could get around it.
This is of course IF they were to try something like that.
Rambus with a market cap of only 1.7 billion would be an easy buy for Intel.
As for the monoply stuff still not following you on that. Intel would basicly only be buying the Rambus patients . I see no monoply here at all . Samsung and the rest of the dram makers would simply be paying intel for its royalties.
Please explain were there would be a monoply in this purchase. I see AMD buying ATI as being monoply . As it could easily put NV out of business or setting NV up as the source for the only gpu graphics card .
As has been stated in several articles Intel is going to build its own highend GPU . Which will more than likely be ondie . It will also probably be dual core,
At 45n there should be plenty of room on the die for 4 cpu's and a dual core gpu with point to point inter links.
I am sure AMD will do the same ATI. So were does this leave NV .
Looks like a monoply to me. It also looks like the people bidding up NV share prices are a bunch of retards.
I will buy the R600XF when its released even tho it will be an AMD release. AMD had nothing to do with its development. If they did I wouldn't buy. Its that simple. Now if AMD opens a new york foundry than I will buy their products but not until than.
Fact is in 3 years NV will be gone unless they buy a cpu company . Or maybe dragon cpu's out of china will buy them.
Nehalem is just under 2 years away. But we will have a lot more info by than
market cap means nothing on buying a companyQuote:
Rambus with a market cap of only 1.7 billion would be an easy buy for Intel.
do you think that you could really buy intel for 106 billion ?
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As for the monoply stuff still not following you on that. Intel would basicly only be buying the Rambus patients . I see no monoply here at all . Samsung and the rest of the dram makers would simply be paying intel for its royalties
intel already owns a memory company , and when they buy rambus out , they buy more then just the patents , and this isn't going to bother amd , because just like amd uses alpha patents , they was bought and paid for , just like rambus patents , will be bought and paid for by amd , what do you think amd is paying 15 million a year for ?
intel already owns a memory company , amd does not own a chipset video card companyQuote:
Please explain were there would be a monoply in this purchase. I see AMD buying ATI as being monoply . As it could easily put NV out of business or setting NV up as the source for the only gpu graphics card .
intel has already tried to build a highend video card , it floppedQuote:
As has been stated in several articles Intel is going to build its own highend GPU . Which will more than likely be ondie . It will also probably be dual core,
At 45n there should be plenty of room on the die for 4 cpu's and a dual core gpu with point to point inter links.
I am sure AMD will do the same ATI. So were does this leave NV .
no one is putting nvidia out of business , if amd was to try and buy nvidia , that would fail because amd would be trying to form a monopoly
i think that you have to worry about intel getting to 45nm first , so far they have not shown that much with their 65nm cpu's
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Looks like a monoply to me. It also looks like the people bidding up NV share prices are a bunch of retards
why are they retards ? with intel saying that they are not going to allow ati to have a intel license , that puts nvidia in demand
this where the problem is , there is talk that intel will not allow ati to make that chipsetQuote:
I will buy the R600XF when its released even tho it will be an AMD release. AMD had nothing to do with its development. If they did I wouldn't buy. Its that simple. Now if AMD opens a new york foundry than I will buy their products but not until than.
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Fact is in 3 years NV will be gone unless they buy a cpu company . Or maybe dragon cpu's out of china will buy them
?NV wikk be strong in three years , they are not going away , they will still make video cards andchipsets for amd systems , amd is going to try and have ati build them a low power drawing chipset for amd's notebooks
why would dragon cpu buy nvidia out ? what use would nvidia have with dragon cpu ? dragon cpu is no competiton for either amd or intel
two years is a life time away in this businessQuote:
Nehalem is just under 2 years away. But we will have a lot more info by than
Umm now they do (see ATI-AMD merger)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
R600Xf was in referance to a video card, Not a chipset. Intel owning a memory company means zero . Their are lots of Memory companies.
Yep intel did fail at their first stab at a Video card. But they own the rights to some interesting video tech now I believe Its called VR I should look but I believe thats correct.. They have also went out a gotten some pretty good engineers. Very good ones. Guys from NV and ATI and more are leaving the AMD/ATI ship for Intel . MEN are all about $$$$$$. They got almost all the engineers from that GPU maker that recently gave up the ship. Its name slips away from me at present.
As for the RD600 chipset Intel cannot stop ATI from selling that chipset. Intel can apply pressure on M/B makers not to produce it . As has been reported . But I doubt intel was pressuring any M/B makers from using it. More like they (M/B makers) See no future in that chipset other than DFI.
If Intel and AMD go ondie with GPU'S that will put NV out of business . I think most of us can see thats direction this multi- CPU on die is heading '
At 45n there will be plenty of room for for 4 cpu's and 2 gpu's on die.
I think your funny . Intels 65n cpu's not looking good . LOL . AMD is coming very soon with their 65n cpu's Well just have to wait a little longer to end that debate won't we. Your the first person ever I have heard say Intels 65n cpu's SUCK. Why's that?????
On licenseing its only a 5 year license after that period If its not renewed . A company can not use the the teck unless the license is renewed . Thats how it works.
Nehalem is less than 2 years away and K8L is a year away. AND Penryn 45n is 1 year 4 months away. I think Intel is in complete controll.
Now it would seem your saying AMD will beat Intel to 45n. LOL
Intel will beable to use ATI gpu's as long as they are in a pci-e card formate. and AMD'S R600 looks to be a NV killer. Intel is closer right now to having a unified Arch. Than NV. INTEL =VR
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=33661
I was meaning INTEL-Chip maker AMD -Chip Maker.
AMD = INTELs competition, yes there are nother CPU makers but these two being the big dogs, if INTEL were to but out AMD then there would be one Top Dog..............which would not be good.
Why are you discounting the Dragon Cpu from China. The Worlds largest Market in the worlds fastest growing econmy.
These guys in China are very smart and they are catching up fast. And the Godson 3 is said to be X86.
On July 28th, 2006, ¡°China Electronics Academy Computer and Application Project Session Science Reporting Conference¡± was held in Beijing. In the conference, academician 0f CAS, director of the Institute of Computing Technology Mr. Li Guojie declared a new production and said, ¡°The newest Godson CPU developed by our country has achieved the level of Pentium 4.¡± In the academic report of ¡°the computer technology in 21st century¡±, Mr. Li Guojie reported the newest progress of the development of Godson CPU. He pointed out that Godson 2E CPU was produced by 90 nano and the processing ability was similar to Pentium 4. The newest product will be released recently. He said, ¡°The comprehensive capability of Godson CPU developed by our country has reached the level of Pentium 4 and can satisfy the mainstream calculation demand. The mass production of Godson is being planned. If the plan is carried out, the annual production of Godson can exceed ten million.¡± Meanwhile, he expressed that Godson 3 would be the processor with 16 and more core. It will be used in the capability as well as high-capability server produced by ICT and Dawning jointly. The technology level of Godson 3 will catch up with the international level in the future.
China’s Emerging Microprocessors
Tom R. Halfhill - Senior Editor {07/25/2005}
Beyond the land of the rising sun is the rising Godson, a growing family of microprocessors designed and manufactured in China by Chinese engineers for the Chinese domestic market. Intended for low-cost desktop computers, servers, and embedded systems, these 32- and 64-bit chips are rapidly becoming as sophisticated as any designs in the world, falling short in performance only because Chinese fabrication technology lags behind the rest of the industry by two process generations.
Microprocessor Report briefly described the 32-bit Godson-1 in 2002, but few technical details have trickled out of China until now. (See MPR 12/2/02, “China Unveils MIPS-Like CPU.”) All Godson processors are designed by engineers at the Institute of Computing Technology (ICT), part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing. In 2002, ICT and Chinese entrepreneurs founded a Beijing-based fabless semiconductor company, BLX IC Design Corporation Ltd., to bring Godson processors to market and support them with software-development tools and product-reference designs.
In December 2003, Advanced Micro Devices and BLX IC Design announced a relationship and opened the AMD/BLX Computing Client Development Center in Beijing. BLX IC Design is creating reference designs for thin clients and other computing products using AMD and BLX IC Design processors. The first two products are thin clients powered by AMD’s MIPS32-compatible Alchemy Au1500 processor and BLX IC Design’s Godson-1. The creators of the Godson-1 say its architecture is “MIPS-like”—a description that annoys MIPS Technologies, which doesn’t authorize the Godson architecture or license any intellectual property to ICT or BLX IC Design. AMD, which is a MIPS licensee, says it encourages BLX IC Design and MIPS to resolve their licensing issues.
This spring, ICT introduced the Godson-2, another “MIPS-like” processor. Considerably more advanced than the Godson-1, it has a 64-bit architecture, four-way superscalar pipelines, dynamic branch prediction, out-of-order execution, and other powerful features. China’s Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) fabricates Godson-2 chips in a 0.18-micron CMOS process, and ICT is porting the design to a 0.13-micron process. ICT is also beginning work on the next-generation Godson-3, which may sprout multiple processor cores and hardware-assisted simultaneous multithreading.
It’s clear that China wants to produce general-purpose microprocessors as advanced as any in the world. The Godson family (also known as Dragon) is only one fruit of China’s National 863 Program, a government-funded research and development project to create homegrown technology for Chinese high-tech industries. For now, Godson processors are solely for China’s domestic market, but exports to world markets are possible in the future.
In June, MPR interviewed Godson’s chief architect, Weiwu Hu, a professor at ICT in Beijing. Weiwu described the Godson-1 and Godson-2 in unprecedented detail and revealed some of his ambitions for the Godson-3. In addition, Weiwu provided an English-language white paper on the Godson-2 microarchitecture.
After analyzing this information, MPR believes the Chinese already are capable of designing world-class microprocessors, assuming they have access to world-class fabrication technology. Although Chinese fabs are about two process generations behind the curve, China’s technology is rapidly accelerating. China could also outsource some chip manufacturing to foreign foundries—perhaps even to crosstown rivals on the opposite side of the Taiwan Strait. (Irony knows no borders.)
So their you have AMD which has no us fabs . Is helping China's government. I up this is a case of the DOG biteing tha hand that feeds it.
i know exactly what the dragon cpu is , and what it isn't , what it isn't is a x86 cpuQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
here you say that the godson4 is going to be x86 ,, so which one is going to be x86
china developed what they have because they wanted to be different , they do not want to use any x86 software
godson 2 is only 500mhz , it looks like godsom 3 will be out in 2010 , at 130nm
it will be a long while before the dragon is a threat to a x86 cpu , if ever
since when ??Quote:
So their you have AMD which has no us fabs
where is amd's fab 25 ??
oh dear, i guess the new fab amd is building in new york must be on un land, since you said amd doesnt have any fabs in the us :rolleyes: and yeah, fab25 is a candy store, whoever tells you otherwise is a conspirasist.
AMD's Fab 25 in in Texas AFAIK, it used to make K6s, not it makes flash memory
Dragon CPU... Trash... Seriously stop bring up this dragon CPU.... Dragon CPU will not compete with AMD or Intel... Not on any level.
AMD has no US fabs... Wow...
I dont think I need to say anymore.
~Mike
The following is from Raul's blog showing comments posted anonymously. Some interesting pointers that I thought I would highlight and see wat our folks here have got to say about it.... :p:
Interesting link
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But what is the point in this ? Very few games today have have scripts that take advantage of two cores, and even fewer have full SMP enviroments enabled. As shown on extremsystems.org where several users have gotten hold of the Quad core Kentsfield, the biggest and really only major improvement was in Cinebench.
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Henri Richard, EVP and chief sales and marketing officer, AMD:
"We're now introducing AM2, and of course AM2 will be quad-core compatible.
[...]
And the fact that the AM2 socket allows us to have a seamless transition to quadcore tells me that I can buy a 4×4 platform, in the later part of this year, and then take it to eight cores sometime in 2007. And that's phenomenal.
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Our plan is to have both dual-core and quad-core K8L-based processors within the same timeframe. The K8L development, from the ground up, is a quad-core development."
-- DigiTimes.com, Taipei
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Crysis will feature out-of-the-box 32-bit, 64-bit, DirectX 9, DirectX 10, and multithreading support.
- Crysis will also take advantage of 64-bit CPUs :
According to [Cevat Yerli, Crytek president and CEO], the 64-bit version "will bring a performance difference of up to 10 to 15 percent on each thread" compared to the 32-bit version. http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/action/cry...ml?sid=6154899
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After all that marketing paper launches... Do you know why 4x4 is delayed so long?
AMD lied and hyped away on their 4x4. Problem is that AMD desktop processors have SINGLE NON-ccHT link. 4x4 requires both processors to have at least 2 ccHT links.
Ask AMD whether current X2 and FX processors can be used on 4x4. How come no one ever questioned that?
By the time its launched, you'd probably need to buy new processors. Possibly modified Opteron 2xx series. Heck, their demo unit had RDIMMs and "engineering samples"?!
4x4 is a kludge too.
The board will be expensive, close to the prices of those 2S server/workstation boards. Imagine the board size! New bigger casing needed! And the extra power needed and consumed! You'll need a two pairs of RAMs!
Don't forget about the 86% scaling going to 4 cores on ccHT bus (based on 2S or 4 core Opteron scaling). That means each core will perform slightly slower, or roughly 12% slower!
Nothing's perfect. Next time before you swallow easily the glut of AMD's PR hypes, examine closely.
The future for ordinary consumers is not more sockets, but more cores in a single socket. Being "very close" together, speeds and scaling are much better. Larger shared caches are the way to go as it reduces bus contention between cores and less memory access.
Already engineering samples of Kentsfield already shown that. Despite being a "multi-chip package" on a bottlenecked FSB, its scaling is very impressive ~ about 90% or higher for 4 cores!
And Intel is going for 32 cores in a single processor in the future. This is an alternative route.
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Don't understand the lie. AMD claimed K8L is compatable with AM2. The $1000 kit includes cpu's, no one said a regular cpu could be used as a multi in 4x4. Yes they answered, and it is one current AM2 can be used alone, but not 2.
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I believe when one of the AMD execs (Hector or Henri, I believe) was asked if X2s would be supported, he said that AMD wasn't sure what all they were going to support in 4X4. I can't find the article now, of course. But it was basically asked and he danced around it not saying one way or the other. I guess if AMD feels it is necessary to support it they will, if they feel they don't need to to stay competitive, they won't.
Basically, I believe current X2s could be supported. But AMD has to think about their low end servers. If you could build a 4X4 with a couple of 3800 X2s and it would perform as well/faster than a low end server, why would anyone buy the low end server for a higher price? AMD would be kind to support low end X2s, but does it make financial sense for them to do so?
Also, I'm pretty sure the single non-ccHT link statement isn't entirely accurate. Saying that the X2s only have one link is correct - sort of. There are really three links there, but AMD only "reports" one of them. As a moderator on the AMD forums says here, AMD only reports one to avoid confusion.
The technology is there to support X2 on a 4X4 platform, it's just a matter of whether it makes financial sense for AMD. I guess if they end up supporting X2, we all should realize AMD isn't just after money, but is also looking to take care of its customers.
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4x4 came out about the same time as AMD started talking about dynamicly reconfigurable/splittable HT links for Opterons. I suspect it's the same deal. I bet that what 4x4 _really_ stands for is the 16 bit single HTT link on a desktop processor, which will be able to dynamicly split in 4 bit increments between talking to the system and interprocessor tasks. 4 lanes of 4 bits each = 4x4.
If AMD has a fab in the USA that makes CPU'S I would like to see A link .
If AMD has broken ground on the new york fab I would like to see a link .
As for fab 25 I didn't know they made Flash memory that ran in a cpu socket .
As for Godson 3 got a link saying it won't be out till 2010 and it will be at 130 mm.
As of right now they are only 2 generations behind. Godson 3 is said to have 16 or more cores. its in 1st post above .
Were was China 5 years ago in cpu tech . Also China is talking about signing an agreement with other foundries in the middle east to produce its CPU's till their foundry tech catches up . China wants very much to produce X86 . I want to watch the game now but I will post links showing that.
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Originally Posted by Turtle 1
Erm....Fab 25 DOES MAKE flash memory.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/A...99_507,00.html
Dude, quit talking about some CPU that have nothing with x86, nothing with the subject of this thread and it will never compete against any current or future CPU from AMD & Intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
If you think that Gordon3 is that much interesting open a thread about it and put technical data instead of telling us stroies.
I beleive this qulifies as a thread hijack..
Godson schmodson :P
I had to say it..
I would like to ba able to tell you my dragon cpu ownd ur dragon Godsons azz
Honestly I believe if the Chinese Government dumps Billions of dollars every year into that CPU, then maybe in 5-10 years.. THEY MIGHT have something competitive with current X86 based Intel/AMD processorsQuote:
Originally Posted by gOJDO
I posted links get out of your denial . China's coming and there coming fast and there Cheaper . Like INTEL and AMD don't care about the Asian market.Quote:
Originally Posted by gOJDO
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Originally Posted by nn_step
I believe that is the Case maybe sooner than 5 years . This denial stuff is just stupid . 98% of the market could care less about 3Dmark 06 scores
Godson 3 well likely be here before K8L . Now am I back on Topic I listen to you guys say ya AMD on track . 65n here next month . Inquirer is only good news if it says what you want.
Here's there latest news .
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34282
You will be lucky to see 65n this year.
Oh stop with this chinese buisness. Neither the current or the upcoming CPUs pose any realistic threat to Intel or AMD as things stand performance wise. Once proletariat China decides to buy ONLY chinese CPUs, then we might have an issue, provided the CPU can run x86 apps, which at this given point, it cant.
We also spoke about the move to .65nm manufacturing process with the Opteron now moved to it and the Athlon64 line-up following in the next few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
and this link is not from the inquirer
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=467
opteron is still a K8 , isn't it ?
so guess there is no point of me waiting till october to move to AM2?
there is an AMD fab already here in Austin Texas and another one is being built a few miles from my house...
I was referring to CPU fabs only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
Is that new fab in Texas a CPU fab as I have seen no news of a new CPU fab in USA except the new york fab . and that as we speak is just talk.
It has not been finalized if it has please provide a link.
and what difference does this make ? fab 25 helped make cpu's years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
the fab in new york is going to break ground in mid 2008
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1980943,00.asp
It would be helpful if you could make the small change (below) to your original article.
"AMD is committed to shipping 65nm products to customers by the end of the year [2006]. Our plans are to be substantially converted to 65nm by mid 2007."
Jan Gutter, PR manager, AMD(EMEA)
who was that againQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
s7e9h3nQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Do you know what that means??Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
"Substantially converted" means that they'll MAINLY be shipping 65nm parts by mid 2007. Conversion doesn't happen instantaneously man, it takes time, like how even though intel has been on 65nm since the beginning of the year they still ship a few 90nm parts...
Look at how many shipments were still 130nm when Pres-Hot and Winchester came out for their respective companies.
In otherwords, 65nm is still on track, and they plan on having most(if not all) shipments in mid 2007 being 65nm. That's all that means.
So what does this mean . 65n parts in Oct. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
AMD is committed to shipping 65nm products to customers by the end of the year [2006].
It means 65nm is still on track, that's what it means.
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Originally Posted by DilTech
This thread was started with the header AMD65n in oct or next month.
Do you stand behind that?
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
Well than Ghost I will not say another word on this subject till 1st. of nov.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
Are you sure, you know you have been confused about this type of thing before, remember when you said am2 would vastly outpace a 939 system because amd showed you one but it turned out that it was actually a k8l they showed you lolQuote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost
Or maybe we could be seeing another one of your predictions fall on its arse
Credibility
The ghost < the inquirer
ahh , yes , must be your favorite hobby . i did not say who was getting the 65nm cpu's from amd , amd is already making 65nm opterons , as provided by tyhe link supplied , if you had looked at it , you would have seen that , so you see it is not my credibilty that is hanging in the wind , it is the asian general managerQuote:
Originally Posted by gallag
i would expect oems to get all 65nm first , including dell
Small update, tier 2 partners still havent got their 65nm from latest revision the are still waiting so if they dont have it i would be hard that they will come out to oems or retail
he's still around......can't resist it hehehQuote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
Oh, high hopes here for 65nm AMD. There was big leap in overclockability when intel went 65... C'mon AMD!!!!