Hi guys,
I was wondering how many people have removed their IHS... I just saw coolalar had his removed... and he's my idol.
Is it difficult to remove?
Thanks,
-dr_sharp
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Hi guys,
I was wondering how many people have removed their IHS... I just saw coolalar had his removed... and he's my idol.
Is it difficult to remove?
Thanks,
-dr_sharp
Coolaler has more then just 1 CPU, sure it wasnt one of his meroms?
And yeah, its quite difficult..
You need to:
1. cut the sides so its not attach with other then solder (thats all you do for A64 basicly)
2. Put it upside down, and warm the sucker... - keep it 90-100 deg warm for.. hmm, some time - then it'll fall off..
But seriously, no good idea to remove in LGA775
Very hard, its soldered on & if/when you do get it off the cpu mounting mechanism no longer works, so you have to improvise there
The temp drops are 1-2*C so if i were you i would just not risk your new £150-£600 cpu & just save a lil for better cooling
Unless youre on LN2, Dry Ice or Phase of course! :D
I'd stay away from removing IHS, as it's really not worth the trouble of possibly killing a nice new processor.
http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=3878
You are better served by going to the auto parts store and getting some 800-2000 grit sandpaper.
I duno how did it but i got shown a pic and it's been done!
The die was lapped and clean and temps were a hell of a lot lowerr and ran on phse it clocked tons more!
Lapped die?
*Somehow* I dont think so seeing as the transistors are less than 0.01mm from the surface of the die on chips that are protected by an IHS
it is not a good idea!
Yeah right, lap the core, use a grinder also maybe?
I think mr Beier is correct, must have been one of mr Coolalers Meroms you saw, Meroms dont have IHS and it would look "lapped" in a way.
If you have a lot of experience and you NEED break some records soon to hurl you conroe, do it ;)
WJAJAJA, LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_sharp
The consensus is that its very hard to do without damamging the core. You also break the lockadown mechanism, and most standard cooling mounts when you do it, so youl have to make custom soltion for those while your at it.
A lot of people have tried, but I have so far not actually seen one who managed to pull it off without killing the CPU. (im not saying noone has, im just saying I haven't seen one, even here on XS). on the other hand, I have seen quiote a few C2D's that this was attempted on, and where the core was ripped in half, or torn right of the CPU-PCB.
All in all, don't attempt it unless 2-3 degrees are super critical for you, AND you can afford to lose a C2D and get a replacement.
-Stigma
if you're in ym situtation and getting 64c load temps on STOCK VOLTS, its kind of worth it. Yeah its soldered, but that doesn't mean its good solder, or even good contact. Obvously its not. Not when my x2 3800 @ 1.5v and 2.7ghz was getting 20c lower temps with the same water setup.
As for a custom mounting solution, you can put 4 -5 layers of electrical tape along the edge of your cpu. Or layers of foam, what ever. You also eed tpo shave your heatsink/waterblock to fit inside the socket hold down. and also use 4-5 layers of electrical tape for "feet" around the core so you dont crush it.
thanks guys, I was just curious and hadn't seen much discussion on it.
Dont trust mobo temp-readings, simple as that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by menlatin
lol yes... i was getting -50C core readings from my board on water.Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Beier
@ stock speeds i get 32-33 idle. and about 45c load. Ambient about 28c, As i bring the fq up the temps just keep going higher and higher. Core temp and Easy tuner read pretty close together, and both give me low 30's idle at stock speeds. My readings are actually about right so that leads me to believe the IHS contact to the cpu is crap.
Nice to see your watercooler taking his work very seriuosly:DQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_sharp
i succesfully removed the IHS on my 631 recently... cracked the core mounting my scythe ninja (always hated that mounting system)...
heres a thread with all the stuff that i ran into while removing my IHS...
it can be done... its risky as hell... nobody has done a conroe or allendale yet... so be xtremely careful for SMD's (conroe core on google shows no SMD's, nobody has yet to varify AFAIK) but it would be nice to find out
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=81209
I spoke with coolaler earlier, he told me he's never done it, and didnt thought it was possible doing :) Showed him the guide on VR-zone by shamino :)
- Then I told him it was 2AM here, and he told me to get to bed, heh ;)
Well actually, Im on my way to bed, just had to stop by lookin' if another member has been added a new title.. (Banned)
I talked to shimano about a week ago... showed him my method... (he said it was very smart:) ) he's going to give it a shot when he finds a cpu worth risking...
never thought of showing coolaler though...
other users have removed the IHS without cracking the core... one user did it to an already dead Celly D... the other cut some SMD's off his smithfield (i was guilty of the same thing) both removed the IHS without cracking the core
CrazyXP1700
I got an idea..
Cut the stuff in the sides with razorblade, like on A64's..
- Visit the local swimming facility, head for the sauna, attach the CPU to the roof with some gaffatape in the corners, read the newspaper while waiting for the IHS to hit the floor :p:
Sound like a good idea, aye? ;)
oh i would love it if it were that easy...
hell id have to remove IHS's just about every day then ;)
i'm going to try it soon. I just wish i had a dead cpu to practice on atleast once.
Mind i dont have a lga 775 to even look at, but theoretically would it be possible to just take the top retention bracket off and use your waterblock to actually hold the proc in the socket?
P.S. you CAN lap your processor, at least AMD's. I have an opty 165 that i lapped, they are concave. Look for a post by madmikee for pictures of his, its where i got the idea.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&highlight=lap
The thread doesnt have pics anymore though cuz its been archived.
you could do that... just a higher risk of bent pins and such when your removing blocks...
I was thinking the other day, would it be possible to drill or grind a hole in a 775 ihs and inject acetone or isoproply into the hole to take off the epoxy, if i could get a 775 ihs with some epoxy on it i may be able to find somthing that attacks it but not the chip. Better yet, does somone have a dead 775 chip that i could experiment with?
edit: sry for kind of tread hyjack
it's not epoxy... it's solder...
The easiest way to remove the IHS of a S775 CPU is to put the cpu in the oven... Do it and you'll see, that IHS removing without cracking the DIE is no problem. But don't forget to cut the silicon with a razorblade before you put the cpu in the oven... 100-120°C is the best temperature.. 80-100 is too low and it's possible that you crack the DIE when the solder isn't 100% fluid...
solder doesent stick to silicon... there is no way any alloy will stick to the core or a cpuQuote:
Originally Posted by CrazyXP1700
i can 100% guarentee you its solder, its a low melting point solder.
regular solder melts at like 280c so low melting solder cant be under 180c that would fry the chip. Metal canot stick to silicon, there is no possible way that any alloy could be melted to a silicon die. It may be like solder but it is not bound with heat it must cure, kind of like that liquid metal stuff if you let it sit to long.
edit: just because heat allow you to remove it easyer doesent mean its solder, anyone here work at an intel fab plant? we could use some inside info :)
These Intel flip chips use LMP alloys with Indium for a TIM, summaryQuote:
Originally Posted by ak_47_boy
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9949/solderdx4.jpg
Braver soles than I have removed IHS by melted the solder at anything from 77C to 85C
Plenty of these solders alloys melt in the 70C range.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/820/soldermo4.jpg
Here's a pretty mad thread, I haven't seen one work after the surgery yet.
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7383/mvc007sqz3.jpg
You people continue to see the tree but miss the forest behind it.
Say somehow he removes the IHS. How will he mount the cpu since the socket clamps on the IHS to keep the cpu in place? Also assuming he is a first degree relative of McGyver and finds a way to properly mount and keep the cpu secure, the socket cap will protrude on a higher level than the core, so properly mounting a cooler/block/whatever except an evaporator, and having proper contact will be pretty much impossible. Then we are talking about lapping the socket cap itself... etc etc.
Too much trouble for nothing I think.
Welp. its not hard... you see, you could clam a waterblock down on it, which would keep it in place.
Theres no advantage to removing the IHS to begin with. Just lap the damn thing.
Right :p:
And what happens to the socket's contacts (since they are like bent little triangle thingies and not on the cpu) when you unmount/remount the waterblock a few times and the thermal compound has "set" nicely on the cpu? :)
Keeping the cpu down is not a problem... _Securing_ it (so as to stay there), is though...
well said 1200 to 1400 grit wet sanding droped my temps by 7 to 10 c loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by LexDiamonds
but my chip looked like a UFO with a flippin dome lol... it took me about a hour to get it down to all copper color but well worth it...
lapp the cooler while your at it...;)
Are you saying the IHS is copper?Quote:
Originally Posted by zillaoc
I'm pretty sure it is.... Its probably anodized on the outside though. Atleast IHS traditionally have been copper, so I assume these are too. Unce you start sanding you will very quickly start seeing the copper color shine though.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_sharp
-Stigma
Yeah, the IHS is made of copper.
The IHS is definetly copper :)
wow... sanding/polishing the IHS makes so much more sense now lol.
holy crap in a hand basket that was easy!
Took about 1 min to cut the edges then 30 seconds to torch and it just popped right off!!.
The core still has a bit or solder on it. Ill get some 2000 grit to take it off. I'm at work and dont have a cam, but i'll post some pics before i lap when i get off in the morning.
You did this with a conroe? were there any SMD components around the core? Please post pictures
Allendale e6400. no SMD's. I'll post pics in the morning when i get home...
Also,... i got a little anxious.... i started removing the solder form the core witha credit card. I've almost got all of it. Thinking i can take a dremel buffing wheel to take the last micro layer of it off.
alright the next step is to make sure you dont crush the core, are you going to use a shim? Im sure CrazyXp would recommend it:p:
maybe. I'll try a shim initially. If the temps still aren't as good, i'll try idea about mounting the cpu WITH my waterblock, and some electric tape "feet". Works on my A64's.
all i can say is post some pictures i would like to so your results
Quote:
Originally Posted by outcast623
PLS,
i'm interested in doing as well.
alright i just got home to pickup my camera. I dont know why the hell i didn't just bring the cpu with me LOL. But anyways, i should have pics up in about 25 mins.
At this point all the solder is removed and its mostly polished. And let me say... its BEAUTIFUL!!! pics in 25!
well done i must say :toast:
good job ;)
what about the temps? :)
well my ds3 is awaiting RMA return, but hopefully in a couple hrs i'm going to try it on a co-worker's machine. I'm going to put the IHS back on and use As5 on both sides. And when i get mine i'll try naked core to the Apogee. I really dont want to grind down my apogee so its going to hold the chip in place, instead of the latch.
LOL nice one mate
too bad about the intel mounting mechanism which you'll have to butcher next or your cooler.......anyways eagerly awaiting some results :toast: :toast: :toast:
Amazed , does it still work? also the temps difference it has made?
OK the IHS did not work too well. Since it was originally concave, before lapping, the opposite side is still convex... soooo... there was only contact in the very CENTER of the die. Temps were horrible. 1.43v, 333fsb, 61c bios. I didn't go any further. After i pulled out my cpu, my co-worker was cleaning up the artic ceramique that got around the socket.. and.. well.. bent like 4 pins... So we're not going to mess with it any more. Just going to put his e6600 back in there and let it be. :( . I may have to break down and buy another Ds3 from Fry's tomorrow....
here's some pics of the inside of IHS. I already touched the cpu die so you can't see it as well.
http://webpages.charter.net/aari/bhs1.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/aari/bhs2.JPG
http://webpages.charter.net/aari/bhs3.JPG
Notice how almost 1/4 had near no contact.
i wouldent try to put that ihs back on its probly warped or bent from takeing it off
posting in legendary thread. c2d IHS removed!
please give us more detail, pictures so far are great though.
Ok here's a little results. I'm currently at 3.52ghz @ 1.45 bios volts. Before i could only get 3.44ghz, so 80mhz gain, and also with warmer ambient by about 10C. Once again though, the reason i can't clock too high is these damn mosfets and coil what ever boxes are getting hot, evne with a fan on them, and my apogee is coveriong half of them up.
My temps seems to have not changed much in coretemp, but in speed fan an easy tuner (when it opens) temps have dropped about 12C under load, and idle down to about 35c. Much better than the 42c of previous.
I'll post a screen later when it proves prime stable. Gotta go!
really awesome ! what is your stepping/package date ? your ihs is not solder ?
i want to remove my ihs ! what is your tactic ?
http://webpages.charter.net/aari/3520.JPG
There we go.
nice! looks like the cpu is still in good shape :D
So those results are from 1) removing the IHS, 2) cleaning out the stock sodder, and 3) puting the IHS back on but filled with AS5?
What HSF are you using?
Anxious to see what you get with no IHS at all. good luck! :D
after all these people said impossible :( good work. i love proving people wrong!
Does the core stick up above the retention mechanism? Or did you have to take the top metal part off?
I was thinking of doing this but i only have air cooling, which probably wouldnt sit properly on the core since it is heavy
This is with NO IHS . As noted eariler, the ihs was no flat in the inside either, so only the center of the die was getting contact.
I removed the top part of th metal bracket and my apogee is the only thing holding the cpu in place (plus a little bit of scotch tape)
Im trying 1.5v @ 3.6ghz right now. idle temps is 34c and load is up to 62c.
Also, did i mention water cooled NB? I couldn't get higher than 420 with the stock HS.
I'm really starting to get an itch for my 320watt peltier....
Also i think a storm would be a much much much better cooler with this naked die. It seems like the heat is too concentrated for the apogee.
can you take pics of the socket now with the processor in it please? this is interesting
CONGRATS MENLATIN!!!!!
did you use my method from the other threads?
BTW... i did this a few weeks ago... (i ended up having a bent pin in my socket says ASUS... i checked for that before RMA... but ok ASUS!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...p/DSCN0919.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...e/DSCN0928.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../Guide/WIP.jpg
i joined in the thread after a buddy (ZX) rememberd i removed the IHS off a Prescott Celly D a year ago... and the thread was going on in the LN2, and Dry Ice, Intel Heatspreader Removal thread
my method outlined above and in the other thread is for SMD's cpu's mostly... can be applied to all cpu's without SMD's ofcourse since you dont have to worry about how far the razors stick under the core (just dont go too far or apply pressure)
and to everybody wondering in the other threads... it's solder, or some kind of alloy! ive removed IHS's a few times (2 successful, 3 unsuccessful) eventually i cracked the cpus mounting large heatsinks... so be careful
i am trying to sell an old PC so i can finally get my core2duo and take off the IHS
CrazyXp : Yes i used your method. I was amazed how fast and easy it was! The way i've avoided crushed cores wth all my IHS removals (3 A64's and this one) is using 4 layers of electric tape for "feet" around the edges of the cpu.
I'll try and remember to take pics when i move the setup into my case. I decided on 3.5ghz @ 1.45v 24/7. I can keep my fans on 5v now instead of having to crank them to 12v.
I'm thinking that a little bit better results may be had with a a good air cooler over my setup since they have all the pipes pulling heat from the center of the cpu.
I still want to try the peltier, but thats going to have to wait til next weekend.
Btw, as mentioned in a post before... Noone said that it is impossible... We said that it is impractical.
1) you just have to forget about the default mounting system, and tape etc to rebuild an edge to mount is useless as the core will be below the level of the socket cap mechanism.
2) You have an extremely high risk to bend/break pins in the socket itself while mounting a heavy heatsink/block -> bye bye mobo
3) You can't properly mount anything heavy (ie. large heatsinks), or waterblocks because of the risk of cracking the core either due to tension from hoses, weight of heatsink, force from mounting etc. In short, 1/4 of a revolution more than it should on one of the screws and you'll hear a very expensive *crack*
4) CPU warranty goes out of the window
and 5) All that for what? 2-3C REAL temps (it's the temp of the core that counts... and as menlatin said, he didn't gain anything worth mentioning from coretemp).
So... is 80Mhz worth all that risk and work, given of course that he obviously ain't after any world records? I tend to think "no".
Again, noone said it was impossible...:) Just very impractical. ;)
1) You have to remove the old socket cap
2) Why? With an IHS and the old mechanism you can also mount very large heatsinks and they push the cpu very hard in the socket
3) Why? There were 10000 of AMD CPUs without IHS
4) CPU warranty isn't important
5) I think it will be more than 2-3C real temps...
6) I've also removed the IHS of my E6600 a few days ago and the cpu still works great.. tomorrow I'll test it with a waterblock and without IHS... I've temporarly remounted it with coolaboratry liquid pro and the temps went down 10-15°C ! without the IHS they will be a few degrees better than atm...
btw: this is extremesystems!
^^ The 4 layer feet really help to prevent any cracking. You could probably go about 2-3 turns uneven and you would just see bad temps. I've sat there and cranked down on one side until i see temps rise, then let off and try the other ones. Remeber, the feet are right about the same height as the core, and they only squish a tiny bit.
But yes this is a very impractical mod, especially if you're using an Apogee or similar pin style block, as there is way too much heat in the center for the block to dissipate efficiently.
Yep... this is Xtreme Systems...
If your worried about your waranty... you wont be pushing your hardware (doesn't overclocking itself void warantee's?)
not necessarly trying to get the best temp or anything...
I would see it for the Xtreme... in benchmarkers systems, guys pushing lots of voltage...i wouldn't want to wait for heat to go thru the TIM, into the IHS, then thru more TIM and then be released to whatever cooling method provided... id wont the most responcive solution possible...
really i though of this being used for those LN2 and phase guys, also some waterblock designs would benifit from IHS removal too (i think anything that dumps water directly over the cpu, with a decent amount of surface area for heat transfer)... i believe Cathar said best performance is with a naked cpu... with the storm blocks... might be wrong...
i mean i relayed my guide to Shimano at VR Zone... im sure he'll be breaking WR's none the least... maybe with my method... he pushes a few more Mhz now...
If someone, anyone drops my name for gettin a few more mhz, for lettin them know how it's done... i'll be a happy man!
my method works... my cpu didn't work... but the method works... and thats all right with me
its simple, it's easy... its successful...
sure as hell isn't practical...
but my name is Crazy... and this is XS! :toast:
Edit:
when i get another cpu, im going to write a detailed guide on intel IHS removal... and get it stickied...
that way we can get it all in one post... for all those Xtreme members lookin to have fun!
i think i fit in great (dont'ya think?)
Oh yes Ln2!! I just remembered i need to pick up my Alu tube from the welders.... uh oh..... :D
Sure :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Entsafter
Though:
1) Then you have no secure way to mount the cooler/block, if you move the cooler/block around while you are mounting the cooler/block that will hold the cpu down for whatever reason you are bound to bend/break some pins...
2) Pushing the CPU down is NOT a problem, the PCB can take it no problem, problem is though that the force is applied on the IHS (large surface area) and from there to the PCB itself... On the other hand the core itself is not so forgiving and it is pretty easy to crack. The IHS _is not_ putting the force of the mounting system on the core, it is putting it on the PCB through its base.
3)They have those feet to take the load off the core, and they are engineered to be used in that way, so there are some measures that help to prevent such problems. On a naked C2D though, you have nothing there.
4) Until you need it ;)
5) No, not really. It can make a difference with LN2 or exteme temps, but with air you will see minimal difference, and with watercooling, only a few degrees. Whether it is worth it, is up for debate... I am not forcing anyone to not do what he thinks, by all means, go ahead... I'm just saying it is impractical and risky. How many people will break their core, especially first timers, that read here that "it is so easy, and simple" and figure out there is no risk involved. For seasoned people, or people who know and understand the risks that's fine. But sooner or later you WILL have someone screaming "I cracked my core and have no warranty and no money to get a new CPU". That's what I'm trying to point out.
If you are going for a WR, by all means, there even 80Mhz will count. But for the average Joe, there is really no point
and 6) The difference will NOT be as much as you think. Sure you have less material in between, but the heatspreader does exactly that, spreads the heat so you have a larger surface area to dissipate it from. Coppers thermal conductivity is only that much, and trying to dissipate 150W+ from an area smaller than your fingernail using only 10-15% of the base of your heatsink, can be a PITA...
Finally, someone said that he used the coll. liquid pro. Well by having his block to keep the processor down with force, I am REALLY curious to see what will happen when the "paste" solidifies with time and pretty much is stuck there, like in the other chap who was trying to get his G4 off his CPU for a week. Since the core is not like its riveted on the PCB, chances are that he will be selling on ebay "Storm block. Comes with a free, bonus C2D core" ;)
In any case, by all means do whatever you like with your hardware, hell, its your money and I have no saying in what you do with it. Just stating some facts so that inexperienced people who read this and think "Ah, cool, that seems so easy, I'll do it too" will at least know the risks involved.
Enjoy :)
There are several reasons for a cpu to fail, if the reason is something related to overclocking, sure, it would be unethical to go and RMA your CPU. But while you are overclocking something _not_ related might happen and even though you overclocked your cpu, if you are CERTAIN that it wasn't the culprit, I don't see a problem RMAing it. Good luck sending a cpu without an IHS for RMA though...Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyXP1700
Also I am fully aware that this is Xtreme Systems, but are you aware that 90%+ of the userbase of this forum are not seasoned overclockers, and do what they see the big names do? There is a reason there is 1 Fugger, 1 Coolaler, 1 Shamino, etc... Most of the userbase is just looking to what they are doing and mimic them.
Watching Ferrero Pipin free-diving to -138m sure looks easy... If you try though chances are you'll be fishfood before you even go halfway that. He has the experience, the knowledge and he is practicing his whole life for this.
I am not saying that one who knows shoudn't attempt this, but one should make CLEAR to the people who lack the knowledge and experience and tend to mimic the "masters" the dangers and the risks involved in doing so instead of going around screaming "look, look, I free-dived at -138! If I can do it, you can do it too! Just learn advanced techniques to equalize the pressure and lower your heart-rate, and hold your breath for 6 and a half minutes! That's all there is to it, it's THAT easy!" ;)
I agree .....Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Beier
Don`t do that if you don`t wanna take the risk of ruin a nice CPU
Great work guys, melantin, crazyXP, this needed to be done, now people know the benefit of this and can make up their own minds about whether they choose to do this.
First of all this is NOT an extreme mod... It is a SIMPLE mod, if you can even call it mod at all. And the results are debatable. They come with a number of compromises and are pretty much useless to anyone except the people who are after a World Record on OC, where the 80 extra Mhz, might make the difference.
Really can't see what extreme or crazy you see there. You have a 40-50% chance of cracking the core of the CPU at hand (assuming you are accepting the rest of the compromises), for what? An extra 80Mhz? Then I leave alone the fact that you loose your waranty. You want to overclock, fair enough, even if that doesn't bother you, how about that the reselling value of your processor hits rock bottom the second you do this?
Seriously, I'm trying hard but I still fail to see the point for the average Joe. And the problem is that 95% of the people who intend to do that, are not even serious overclockers. They just have a concave IHS or are not absolutely happy with their temps and they are obviously not knowledgeable enough to have to ask in a forum about it, so they go.. "mmm, let's lap the IHS.. oh, wait, while we are at it, why don't we remove it altogether?". Most won't even reach half the overclock a serious overclocker could achieve on air. What are the odds, that someone who has to ASK why his temps are high will perform this delicate task sucessfully and not damage his CPU?
As I said before, if you want to do it, by all means, go ahead, don't be too quick to dismiss other people's opinions though, flagging them as "not interesting". Not interesting to you, maybe. If one person who would crack his core has changed his mind after considering the risks involved, and will be spared the trouble and financial load of having to buy a new one, I'm pretty happy with the result. :)
ugh... is XS really turning into hardforum?
NO, but XS never promoted foolishly destroying good hardware, particularly for such a minimum return…Quote:
Originally Posted by mds47
LOL. I think to some degree every big site will turn that way. You can't choose your members so....
But anyways for the extreme, or those with a strong water loop and a storm, this will be better. I think that true Coretemp readings will always be high, since those sensors are located at the source of the heat. I'll rely more on my motherboard readings, as that is the reading nearest the surface of the core, which is what we're having the most effect on.
I'll try and get a storm next paycheck and we'll see what i can do.
Jesus, the guy just removed the first c2d IHS ever and people are already chastizing him within 24 hours saying it was too risky and worthless for the effort. Yeah it's challenging and the risk is big, but guess what he pulled it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
Experimention like this is the reason I come to XS to read the forums. Where else are people going to discuss and try mods like this. It's very cool to see (for better or for worse).
Sorry to hijack the thread like that. Drank too much coffee this morning.
Any new results menlatin? is the cpu definitely your wall at the moment?
(Btw, start a new thread on this :D it is a "first ever" after all)
--mds
i agree 100% :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by mds47
i think the board and temps are my wall right now. I need a storm and an MCP655. I went to fry's and got another ds3 just so i could test this, and i think im going to go back and get something else. Maybe a pb-5 ? or get a refund and wait for Aw9d.Quote:
Originally Posted by mds47
I'm really looking forward to some of th big OCers doing this, and what results they can yeild.
PS. Anyone with a good deal on a storm should PM me :D
Dude please do your conroe a favor and go with the p5b. I think its pretty cool someone finally did it. Now we dont have to keep seeing the question posed and the arguing back and forth. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by menlatin
Don't stress on the flamers, i dont really think the majority of us need a disclaimer to understand that the gains are limited and it isnt the most practical mod for most.
Indeed, its the only reason why I come to XS, I'm no experienced or extreme person when it comes to OCing but its interesting to see what others are doing, if they want to do this it is their choice and they're not doing it to your cpu so why worry so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by mds47
i wasn't saying that everyone should go out and do this mod...
it is infact a mod... your modifying the cpu... (lapping voids warantee's, sure it's ALOT less risky than removing the IHS... but it's far from Xtreme) only guys with extra systems, or hardcore overclockers should be doing... it is definetly an extreme measure... and it's not meant for your moms PC... sheesh :rolleyes:
and i also think in the right hands, it could yeild a little more than 80mhz... especially with sub zero temps... but throw it in a good mobo, you have the best chance at getting the best results with my method...
this is one persons results...
I mean it's like the arguement over heatspreaders on memory... it's only a 5-10mhz increase... so their not worth it... a guy like me looks at that as another 5-10mhz... and a faster system :p:
im sure with highly overclockable cpu's like my 631 (which saw 6ghz 32M stable on phase) could yeild possibly higher clocks... and just be more badass
i wouldn't go off making a new thread for it unless you have step by step pictures...
im gonna get my hands on another cpu, and write a detailed guide on the removal process for the Xtreme members looking to do so...
Enough with talks of it not being worth it... I was DETERMINED to prove that it could be done, since nobody did it (I mean one of the worlds best overclockers wrote an article on it... and killed 2 cpu's attempting it and quit... when i did it like a year ago... (on 478pin Celeron D Prescot Core)
i just came up with a great removal process with the least risk factor....
i've done that... now i want the information available for the others who want to attempt it themselves.
If your not going to do it... or you think it's stupid you can just keep your $0.02... We all know it's risky... and stupid... WERE TAKING A TORCH TO +$200 CPU... WHATS NOT STUPID ABOUT THAT! :fact:
Heh, as I said it is not my money anyone will waste, and I emphasised on that several times. Again, as I said, I only mentioned these things for the people who DON'T know, and ARE NOT AWARE of the risks involved.
You know, registering on a forum doesn't automatically make your IQ to rise 50 points. If everybody had the knowledge and common sense you take for granted we wouldn't have operating instruction and warning stickers on the bloody lighters, neither lawsuits of someone burning his mouth on steaming hot coffee because the plastic cup didn't have a "WARNING, HOT " sign painted on its side.
I mean don't go far... look at the original post on this thread:
"I was wondering how many people have removed their IHS... I just saw coolalar had his removed... and he's my idol."
1) Inaccurate information, not true to begin with
2) Want to do it, because my "idol" did it. (who has a bucketload more experience and know-how)
Do you honestly think I don't have anything better to do than write "disclaimers" as someone mentioned? I just saw the need for one.
Again, 95% of the people who will read this, wouldn't know the risks involved. The 5% who knows DOESN'T need to comment on that. I KNOW that you know, this is for the rest of the people who don't :)
So stop assuming please ;)
PS: I'm into extreme stuff as much (if not more) as anyone here, and definately not trying to make this [H].
Hope that cleared things up a bit. Thanks :)
That's the ticket. Flame people for asking questions :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ewsforos
I saw one of his threads in which an IHS was not present and I got confused and assumed it was a conroe. I wanted to do it to improve my results, not because my "idol" did it. I wanted to know if it was common and/or easy because I had seen little discussion on it before this thread. Now quit dumping on this thread.
No m8, you totally misinterpreted what I said... And I apologise for not making that clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_sharp
I didn't flame anyone and surely, by no means, none of this was directed to you, I just used your case as an example of how people can get into things without knowing the risks involved. For what's worth I'm pretty sure you are quite smart, cause asking is the way to learn that stuff :). All I meant was that there are people who might try to mimic their idols (well, in every aspect of life, not only overclocking) without knowing the risks involved. Just that.
Asking questions is a very good thing as a matter of fact, since noone was ever born knowing something intimately.
To quote another Greek, "All I know is I know nothing".
I just wanted to make sure that people who are not yet profficient enough/knowledgeable enough would have all the facts so that they can make an educated decision.
Again, I honestly apologise for the misunderstanding, and it is totally my fault. I respect your wishes and will not continue posting on this thread.
Ah, I see. I aplogize for jumping at you. I agree, there are probably many people without the knowledge/experience to do certain things but I believe that most of the people here are fully capable of doing what is described here. This forums members tend to be among the most experienced around.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewsforos
Excellent work menlatin, and crazyxp1700. This is indeed Xtreme. I look forward to your results menlatin and to your detailed guide crazyxp1700. The option to remove the ihs on core 2 now exist thanks to you guys. Now we can make up our own minds whether or not it is worth it, it is after all, individual preference.
storm, mcp 655 and second mcr-220 is on the way. Hopefully will be here by the weekend. I'm also going to pickup my aluminum ln2 tube tommorow as well. I'll try and test that Thursday or Friday at work. This is going to be awesome... And i'm taking the ds3 back and getting a P5b-deluxe tommorow.
Awesome Menlatin...
keep us all well informed! im glad someone finally kept one running!
i should have mine in a few days... but i might get another highly overclockable 631 to play with... and make it scream!
Hey guys. It seems things have not gone as planned. My p5b is a total whore, and i can't OC it at all at this point. But, i did get my storm, mcr-220 and mcp 655. I've seen an idle temp drop of about 3c, and a load of about 4-5c compared to the apogee and mcp 350, and mcr-220.
I'm going to try and work on the p5b-d today after work, but i'm getting realy frustrated with it, and if this doesn't work, its refund time, and i'll just wiat around tl ewiz ships me back my ds3. I've got school to worry about, and need to cut back on the returnless tweaking and all the frustrations of this board.
I'll post more results as when / if this board stops sucking.
wow that core is pretty darn large.
i think ppl know the risk from ihs removal, please stop bringing this thread down with your own views and just let it go ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ewsforos
everybody has a *real* mother ...i don't think they need another when they're on XS
well done menlatin and crazyxp ....pioneering is important :toast:
Your post was completely uncalled for.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouawad
The guy posted an apology and the other poster also apologized and then you jump over him? Give me a :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: break....
The guy kept going on and on about how its dangerous and dont do it or noobs will think its cool and start doing it. One post to this effect is somewhat understandable but post after post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
So while maybe uncalled for i can see where hes coming from - I think at XS you should assume people have a certain level of capability or at least that they have an idea of their capability. If they go and screw up its on them. This isnt hand-holders-r-us.
Furthermore, he also stated this isnt an extreme mod, but if its not extreme, then why is he warning people? This is obviously for people who want to go the extra step that may kill their hardware for an extra 100mhz. If thats not extreme i dont know what is. ;)