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GeForce 7950GT
Availability: 14th September Hard Launch
Price: U$299
Onboard Memory: 512MB GDDR3
Cooling: NVIDIA´s El Cheapo one slot cooling technology
Core Frequency: 550MHz
Memory Frequency: 700MHz (1400MHz effective)
Mission: Kick ATI´s ass while they are down (according to NV)
http://it.com.cn/f/diy/068/14/060814_nv795079gs_05.jpg
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Source: IT.com.cn
Basically a slightly clocked 7900GTX. Big deal :rolleyes:
But for 150 bucks lessQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
it will be a 7900GTX for less then 300 dollars with HDCP.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
For the people that care about HDCP and gaming ti will be a good card.
it wont be FPS king but will be bang per buck card.
ya cant expect Nvidia to make an entire refresh so close to G80.
it will however not only mean the discontinuation of the 7900GT but i bet also the 7900GTX.
btw last time Nvidia didnt make a real refresh it was a good move.
as when ATI made a X850Xt they for a while had problems delivering botht he x850xt and x800xt.
Nvidia didnt make a refresh and instead made good improvements on deliverys on their 6800GT.
this will basicly be the same:
ATI makes a refresh with higher speeds (how wel the supply goes is unknown it can go both ways)
and Nvidia simply kills both the 7900GT and 7900GTX and replaces it with 1 new card.
i really dont care where is the 8800?
2 new cards actually... The 7900GS will be the 3rd card in their high-to-mid-end line up :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream
Best Regards :toast:
Aren't the clocks closer to a 7900GT...?Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
7900GT = 450 / 1320 (100MHz difference / 80MHz difference)
7950GT = 550 / 1400
7900GTX = 650 / 1600 (100MHz difference / 200MHz difference)
i wanna know too!Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
i wanna see how much power i can drain with an 8800gtx and a smithfield lol
ME WANT DX10 cards :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
I was thinking DX card myself but now that my 7950 is this close to hell with DX10
this will last me a good 2 years im hoping, eventhough I doubt that really seriously
I still run a all in wonder X800XT and a X850XT PE in the other 2 rigs..
X1900XTs sell for 299$ or less now with some rebates and ETC,
X1900XT > nvidia
x1900xts sell for roughly $300, after $100 rebates that take a long time to go through. IMO, the 7950 GT is a DAMN good deal...
X1900XT > nividia?
Funniest thing I've heard in a while since GX2's can be found for as cheap as $470.
Also SLi is far better than Crossfire.
Although I agree that right now Crossfire is not as good as SLi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latoron
On a Card per Card basis, ATi beats nVidia
At the same time soon ATi is going to get a kick in the ass course in how to scale processing from AMD. Who right now is the absolute best at that.
lol, the 7950 GT in SLi will ownz! nice price too, it looks like these are failed 7900 GTXs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
You mean going from 2.4ghz to 3.0ghz in 2 years?
Just amazing, they can scale so well. a whole 600mhz.
Im not really going ot make a commment past this one, but amd let off the gas as soon as it had something that could beat intel, and they still aren't back on the pedal. (although K8's archetecture is still brilliant imo. )
Anyways, i agree with what you said for the most part, multi gpu goes to nvidia and single to ATi.
I mean multiprocessor scaling silly :rolleyes: Being able to go from a 1P to an 8P system with the Exact same processor with a scalling performance loss smaller than ANYthing else on EarthQuote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
If the picture is of the actual card it seems like the design hasn't changed, so will we see the same issues on this as the 7900gt series?
Maybe the 512MB requires for a different vmemregulator, hopefully they have adressed the problem....:stick:
..anything that has a 79** name is a no-go for me at least.
Will not beat the X1900XT 512MB at the same price (~$300).
Not to mention GDDR4 > GDDR3. Higher clocked 79xx didn't go over too well before...perhaps this might make a difference, who knows.
I find it funny how they assume a 7600GT will beat the X1950PRO...it can't hold a candle to it.
Perkam
it was already fixed... it was the memory... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint
"To Hit ATI while they are down!"
um... does anyone see the flaw in this statement.... ATI is ahead...
not in the =>300$ market :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
should be worst than this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130034
Geforce 7900GT KO 512MB 560/1500 300$ and can do 650/1600 with no vmod
the only thing that matter is type of DDR3 for overclocking
bottom line not a big deal
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Yamaha C40
Read above, it's already been stated that a x1900xt can be had for $300 and it outperforms a 7900gtx so I'm pretty sure it will outperform a 7950gt. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [TAG]Imp
Why we see the X1950XT why not the X1950XTX?
And is the R580+ 80nm?
X1950XT probably will cost ~300$ so it will rip up the 7950GT :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
If you look closly at september it shows the x19pro clearly above the 7600GT. But below the 7900GS so how are they saying that the 7600GT is faster than a x1900?
They are showing it as 7900GS - x1900pro - 7600GT - x1650xt - 7600GS.
X1950P is basically a higher clocked X1900GT while 7900GS is a castrated 7900GT. I think they should perform the same.
I agree
That card is already voltmodded as default.Quote:
Originally Posted by kemo6600
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
i doubt it will be a fight on performence but on price.
maybe a x1950pro will be faster then a 7600GT but most likely the 7600 will be cheaper.
Alot of people dont care that a card is faster if the price is above their spending limit.
and ya likely a x1900xt will beat a 7950gt but we dont even know how wel the supply will be of both as soon as Nvidia introduces the new card and ATi introduces the x1950 cards.
Dont forget in the past both had huge screw ups cause they introduced refreshes wich :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up the entire supply of their high--end cards
Show us 7600GT 512MB :rolleyes:
I will not deny however, the prospect of $600 dual 7950GTs which will easily become the most cost efficient dual gpu solution due to the nature of crossfire cards and their premium over regular cards.
Perkam
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
If ATI would get some Crossfire boards out, and make the Master cards cheaper they might be up for consideration. They are taking too long with getting product out.
Two cheap 7950GTs will be very hard to pass up.
Unfortunately, the only cards with sli-type technology will be the upcoming DX10 cards based on R6xx architecture (R620).Quote:
Originally Posted by CBONE
Perkam
I don't care so much about the dongle, they need to get the bugs out and get cheaper.
By not having product out by the time school starts, they are screwing themselves out of sales.
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
y?
a 512MB 1950pro vs a 256Mb 7600GT, the x1950pro will always cost more to make due to the 512MB of ram, dito the 7600 GPu is cheaper to make wich should Give Nvidia more room with the price.
in the end the X1950pro will be faster then a 7600gt but if the price gap between the 2 is to big the 7600GT stil will sell more.
ATi and Nvidia can throw around MSRPs asmuch as they want but we all know that for the first few weeks the actual prices of new cards are often above the MSRPs.
X1900XT can get 12k 24/7 in 05.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackX
The X1950XT will murder the 7900GTX.
Perkam
Specs of the 7900GS will be:
20 pipes
450MHz core
1,32GHz mem.
seems HDCP is optionel on that one :/.
Further theinq is saying that a 7500 is in the planning.
Why would nvidia make a 7500 wich is slower then a 7600GS?
a 7300GT is already slightly slower then a 7600GS and if u want an even slower one u can get a 7300GS.
Wow, what a messload of products.
I see it as (come end Semtember):
~$400-500: x1950xtx should be the most practical at $100 less than the 7950x2. This could surely change if the x2 price drops when G80 is released, and ATi can't match it. Surely they will contend with a x1950(x2) deal though.
~$300: x1950xt (256mb x1950xtx) should be able to spank the 7950gt, as said, it's essentially a 7900gtx with a cheaper tag, and the 256mb x1950xt should be somewhere along the line of the 512mb 1900xt if not faster, which can already take it on at this price point. The HDCP is pretty awesome though, and surely will sway peeps.
Below that it gets really hard to predict. How cheap does the x1900xt get? $250? How cheap will the 7900gt get? On line with the x1900gt at $200? If so, pick your poison, but then, how well does the x1950pro perform at that same price come October? The 7900gs seems like a totally misplaced product...as assumingly it'll be be competing with the 7900gt/x1950pro. Lower than that it's essentially all about how the x1650xt performs, as it's essentially that versus 10 different nvidia products (7300gt-7600gt). I'll go out on a limb and say it'll prove itself.
This is not to mention the x1950proX2's...Who knows how they will fare.
Call me crazy or a fanboy, but nvidia needs to change that slide from "hit them when down" to "we're covering our ass while consolidating products and lowering thier prices to prepare for our next generation in thier former price points". Hmm....Maybe that was too long to fit in the slide.
I don't think there will be an X1950XTX 256mb. If there were it'd be cheaper. A decent amoutn since ddR 4 is hard to get but it'd still be pretty expensive. The X1900XT's are all going to become 256mb. They still beat a 7950gt. They are equivalent to a 7900gtx. The 7950GX2's can be had around 470. The X1950 offers up a very nice challenge to it. I think it has the ability to beatht eh 7950's through overclocking.
The X1700XT or the 36/12 card will be lower than the X1900XT's so I'mthinking around <$250. They are on 80nm. Hope it clocks well =D if it does that'll be the best card for thr buck I think. Though the X1950XTX is tempting.
What about destroying the ORB, do you think the new VGA from ATi will be a hall of fame product?
0_o...knowing your contacts juan flaiter...i thought you already knew the answer to that...Quote:
Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter
Perkam
Thats for sure! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter
ATi graphs... what a laugh :DQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
And my X1950s will just arrive today, I hate customs :P
QFT!Quote:
Originally Posted by (sin)morpheus
X1900s do not die.
My "slightly clocked" X1900 AIW(150$ card) can beat a 7900GT! LOL!
ATI has an upper edge in single card now, even before the x1950 launches...
sry to disapiont but in the resent benches a 7900gt at close to 7950gt speeds beets the new 1900xt:slap: i wonder how it will oc? the 7900gs will be the real winner tho! woot.com has them for $140:eek:
No it does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipno650
The x1900 is just as fast in many games as a 7950GX2 is (EG: WoW), so a 7900GT sure will not touch any X1900XT/XTX/whatever.
The only thing that the 7900 series is better at is 3dmark 2003 (N. Bench. :))
AGP is never a winner. Have fun breaking 40k 01 with AGP and air cooling...Quote:
i wonder how it will oc? the 7900gs will be the real winner tho! woot.com has them for $140:eek:
The 150$ X1900 AIW is the real winner here, its PCI-E, its cheap as crap, and you can pull 13k+ 05 with one...
I find this intresting:
Sorry for putting ATI in a Nvidia thread, but ATI > NVIDIA At the moment.Quote:
From DH: The good news for people who own an X1900 Crossfire Master card is that it is possible to add a X1950XTX to the system and Crossfire works. In fact crossfire works much better than expected with the X1950/X1900 mixture. We had expected scores from the mixed card CF to be almost the exact same as true X1900 crossfire however the mixed card system provided some excellent increases, especially in Oblivion.
7900GS is....dun dun dun....PCI-E, not AGP.
Read before you spout man, read before you spout.
It's essentially a 7900gt with a single quad and 1 vertex shader disabled, same pcb, same core, same ram. Rumor is they might be unlockable.
At $150, it's THE bang for buck card!
OH RLY?Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
put an nvidia and an ati together against each other that are evenly clocked, piped, featured, etc, and start playing some OGL games. nvidia will win each and every single time. not only will the nvidia card be faster at ogl, but it'll be more accurate.
different cards are good for different things, myself, i put great value in OGL, so i presently will continue to stick with nvidia.
in the near future, with AMD having acquired ATI, i'll likely convert, because ATI will remain more cost effective, but AMD will pressure ATI into making better drivers and into supporting OGL better.
I guess I made an Ass of myself for assuming that it would be AGP like the 7800gs. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
However, a 150$ X1900 AIW will beat a 7900GT, let alone any disabled version of it.
Coolaler did 55k 01 with a 7900gtx and 3.5ghz x6800 on an 965 board, when I get nearly the same nature score with my AIW on a 3ghz Yonah...
The x1900 AIW owns the 150$ segment.
um ya no. the new 1900xt gets beat by the 7900gt in ALMOST every game
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2821&p=4 plus with a little volt moding and better cooling you can compete with 1950xtx:stick: not to mention that sli is way better than crossfire in every way. however at stock the 1950xtx pwns the the 7900gtx
that's 01... Actually, that's merely a synthetic benchmark. A dx8 benchmark, one that heavily favors ATi cards!
Wait for comparisons in actual games before making conclusions like that.
BTW, the AIW cards have been discontinued... If you take a look on newegg, there's only 1, and it's $215.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102685
Therefore, no, it doesn't own the $150 segment, it's not even IN that segment.
Better yet,
http://castle.pricewatch.com/s/searc...n+wonder+x1900
It's not even in the sub $200 segment, much less than $150 segment.
i was wondering how i had missed the X1900AIW all these weeks if it's faster than a 7900GT and 150$, good thing it's not.
7900GT remains a solid choice in my mind, prices as low as 240$, and with a 2 minute ink mod you get to 650 core, which for me was stable on the stock cooler, load temp of 63c was perfectly acceptable.
At 300$, the 7950GT doesn't seem overly competetive, but it's just a quick rehash card that's filling the gap between 7900gt and gtx, no biggie.
I was thinking of picking up an X1900XT 512, but now i hear talk of this X1950XT. Are they making 512MB versions too? And at what price point if so?
That 7950GT looks like a nice little alternative....but why the hell dont they come up with some better single slot coolers (i mean in terms of looks). It looks so puny and small....geez.
ZZF had them @ 150$ a week or two ago, but that was a special and not a long time price.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Somewhere else had them for 196$ in the past weeks, but that was a special and not a long time price...
You are going to bust me over just 01?
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2152461
There are people with E6400s clocked @ same speed as my Yonah, and they have 7900GTXes, and they dont do what I did in that one single run...
Coolaler just did a 7900GTX single bench...
http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/AS...xe/965SLI8.gif
If you want, I will do a bench on my Conroe rig this weekend...
The AIW isnt slow(if you change the heatsink!)...
Yes, they were available in the past weeks for 150$, and yes they can be faster than a 7900GT. (and GTX!)Quote:
i was wondering how i had missed the X1900AIW all these weeks if it's faster than a 7900GT and 150$, good thing it's not.
Here is a PM sent to me from CPLB:
I do not think a untweaked 12k on single core AMD is bad. And yes 149$.Quote:
Hey Fhpchris,
I thought I'd update you on this. I kept the X1900AIW and have paired it with a A64 3700+ @ 2.8GHz. I used a Zalman 7000ALCU CPU cooler as a heatsink for the X1900AIW and got it to 702 core/ 702 mem with 1.375V on the core and 2.14V on the memory. It's really fast, I got ~11750 in 3D Marks '05. By the way this card cost me $149 brand new! Thanks for the advice!
CPLB
I remember when it was on special for $149 at ZZF, it lasted a whole 10 minutes LOL.
More synthetic benchmarks...
Where's the gaming numbers.
Also, a sale doesn't change the fact that it's a discontinued card, and the cheapest it's available for right now is $215.
X1900 XT 256 is still greater then the 7900 GT but should be about even to the 7950 GT.
X1900 XT 512 has a MSRP of 349US now, so the 7950 GT if it is mildy worst just needs to fall a little, to normalize the price.
X1950 XT 256 Is likely going to be the replacement for the X1900 XTX. When it arrives is unknown.
X1900 XT 256 we will have to see if it is as fast as the 7950 GT.
I think the Geforce 7900 GS should be pretty even to the X1950 Pro.
im highly considering buying a 7950GT if the price is very right(as in 300 MAX or lower ;) ) while also upgrading to a dual core opteron, WHICH i am in the market for :)
Nope it will replace the X1900XT.Quote:
Originally Posted by coldpower27
And you can now get the X1900XTX for 330$ ;)
It will replace both of them...unless you think the x1950xtx replaced the x1900xtx, which I guess is technically true. Considering the prices they've both been at though (1900xt - ~300 and xtx - ~330) it will replace them both. It'll prolly be MSRP priced at $349, but you, I, and the world + dog knows that means a little bit more than $300 in reality, the price point of both DDR3 512mb cards. Doesn't mean the x1900's still won't still be around though...and cheap as hell. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackX
I say it is an X1900 XTX replacement as it will likely be equal or beat it in performance and be cheaper but we shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackX
IMO 580+ is the same R580 with fixed bugs and GDDR4.
So I think
X1950XT will replace X1900XT
and
X1950XTX will replace X1900XTX
they have 7900GS's in Dells atm don't they?
i swear my friend has one...
Hard launch is on Aug 30th. But I wont be surprised that DELL already has them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeltZ
Yeah, OEMS have had them for quite a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackX
It is a very simple problem of supply and demand. Up untill I posted my results with the AIW, everyone assumed it was useless, so the price was going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Low and behold, I post results that are promising, and the price goes up, as retailers can sell them....
It WAS in the sub 200$ segment, and you had the chance to pick one up... When the X1950 is released, do you honestly think the price of the AIWs will go up? :toast:
The real thing here is yes, The AIW is 209$ Shipped @ ZZF now, and it is nearly just as fast as a full fledged X1900XT/XTX, yet alone some disabled version of the 7900GT.
You can take your disabled 7900GT, it will not hold a candle to a Full piped X1900.