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http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3885
Interesting.
Sweet. Reading it now.
Edit: Where's that sweet lookin black one like the one at HKEPC? Maybe this is the normal one, and the black one is the Crossfire one?
Wow. That's pretty sweet. If I had $200, I'd sell my XT for that. But alas, I am a jobless teenager.
Heading there right now, thanks.
That's very possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbizzler
If even with the latency of GDDR4, 2ghz smokes 1500mhz DDR3 in gaming... When ATiTool fully supports soft-volts and overclocking on this card, it's going to be hella fast with the extra mem bandwidth (>2400mhz)...and apparently consume a hella lotta power.
Still, looks pretty tight for $399 right now, and should be a nice lower-cost alternative to G80 if you can go without DX10 support.
Do VR-Zone always break NDA? Or have they managed to get this out of NDA??
Shamino's got friends in high places.
I imagine that he doesn't break NDA's when the card is supplied to him by an AIB supplier or ATi themselves, but say if he doesn't join in the NDA and get a review sample, and someone who did hooked him up with the card...That'd be a nice work-around. ;) I don't know for certain how he works his magic though.
Not as impressive as I had hoped. I think I'll stick with my X1900XTX and wait for DX10..
didnt expect that kind of improvementQuote:
We see that the X1950XTX is 24% faster than the X1900XTX in 3D Mark 05 and 33% faster in 3D Mark 06. However, compared against the 7950GX2, the X1950XTX is 11% slower in 3D Mark 05 and 20% slower in 3D Mark 06. If 3D Mark is your cup of tea, the X1950XTX may not look as appealing as the 7950GX2, even though there is a significant improvement over the X1900XTX.
impressive
Yeah tis interesting to note :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle
Hmm yes that's the trouble. But there is always those enthusiasts who want the fastest out there so I suppose ATI will be happy for a while with an excellent single cardQuote:
Originally Posted by CedricFP
Haha, believe me I want that card, but I just can't justify the expense, particularly now that I am out of a job...Quote:
Originally Posted by kempez815
I am pretty impressed, I had no idea that memory bandwidth alone would boost performance so much to overtake a 7950GX2.
Looks like there is at least 200MHz headroom on memory with the .9ns chips, hopefully more with voltage. Get those OCing software working now!!!!!
Wow.. Destroyed the 7950GX2 in all game settings tested. Thats pretty damn impressive if you ask me. So that means: 2xG71s < 1xR580+ :p:
Was not expecting this to even come close to the 7950GX2 game performance.. even benchmark numbers are an impressive increase over the x1900XT. 13.3k stock in 05? Shows how much bandwidth the r580 really needs.
This will definitely be a killer in Crossfire then. I wonder how high a Conroe needs to be OCed before 3dmark05 starts leveling off with stock crossfire.
when is this relesed?
the x1900xt iceq3 that im buying is 380$ so... its not much price difference from 380 to 399 so im going to get this!!! x1950xtx here i come
not really alot, u can get a e6300 and go to 3ghz and not bottleneck these... remember ur dealing with a conroe :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
Woho! Great card! I really want one! ^^
Finally they provide with a cooler worth the name right from the box!
All copper and well thought out:)
any1 know a answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by rpg711
Think im gonna upgrade to an x1950xtx instead of jumping on a DS3+E6300.
Then 4 months from now I will get a RD600+E4300 :D
sorry, I Didn't notice this thread and started another in the 3D section of the forum. Feel free to erase it someone, please.
Anyhow, I am curious how much cooler this card would do with a paste change. I don't think ATI is using anything any different than previous cards in terms of thermal paste so I hope some AS5/Ceramique will offer a couple more degree difference.
I am glad the cooler is quiet in default and low speeds but still dissapointed it's loud at full volume as that is what most of us are going to be running to keep temps low when overclocking and gaming for long hours on end. I was hoping this would be Accelero X2 style in silence but I guess not. Glad to see it keeps the card cool however.
wow wtf? Another review......
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...020&cid=3&pg=3
Wow way to pair a top of the line graphics card with a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty ass gimped system. FX-55 + 1GB PC3200 + X1950XTX...... :rolleyes:
not for me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
Cpu:Allendale E6300
Mobo: ASUS P5W DH Deluxe
PSU: SilverStone SST-ST75ZF 750Watt ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS12V Power Supply, SLI Ready, Active PFC
Video Card: ATI x1950xtx!!!
Memory: OCZ Gold Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2SDRAM Dual Channel Kit DDR 800
Sound card: Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS or Soundblaster X-Fi Fatal1ty
Speakers: Creative Inspire P7800
Cooling: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound ,Zalman CNPS9500, 3x Silverstone SST-FM121 110cfm fans, Sunon 80mm 35cfm fan
Case: Ultra Aluminus
Mouse: Logitech G5
Keyboard: Logitech G15
that is the perfect gamer's comp
All the images are broken when I try to read the review. :(
Working here.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizardmech
Must have been a problem with DNS somewhere or something after reloading it for 5 mins they came back.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
I would also imagine that ATI is quite pleased by this breaking of NDA... gains quite a bit of marketing for ATI with no effort on their part, especially considering how well it performs :)Quote:
Originally Posted by turtle
And you really don't need to run the fan at 100%... Shamino said 3k is a good compromise: still silent but moves tons of air.
I wish they had run F.E.A.R. with soft shadows off in some widescreen resolutions.
What did hardwarezone do so differently? In their tests, the X1950XTX gets romped on. Does this reflect performance for mid-level systems since they used an underpowered system?
EDIT: VR-Zone states that they set highest possible quality in the drivers for each card while hardwarezone doesn't say.
vr zone doesnt favor any maker of card... while hardware zone appears to
that is probably why things are so different,
Nvidia takes a huge hit when the IQ levels in drivers are comparable to ATI.
Too bad the differences are subtle. If they were more glaring it would make comparisons easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
"The NV card doesn't render your gun or anything 3 ft in front of your character at default."
I would like to see crossfire 1950 VS Quad SLI at 2500x2000 res. I dont know if 1600 is enought to push quad sli.
and, despite the rumors of the x1950xtx taking less power... it takes more than the x1900xtx
but is a 750watt psu good enough to power a x1950xtx crossfire setup with a overclocked conroe and 2 hdds and a optical drive, a sb audigy zs or a fatal1ty and the thing they come with
How come when you put in more AA the scores between GX2 and X1950 get closer ? They should get wider as more bandwidth on the Ati card ?
Regards
Andy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
Very true, when performance is better then expected there isnt really much of a reason for a strict NDA.
Just look at what intel did, they the entire world screaming for conroe loonnnggg before the realease, and they gave us enough teasers to keep us happy, combined with a hard launch it must be a piece of cake.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
he lowered the quality levels and i think the GX2's faster core(s) helped it come back a bit.
Lower the quality, closer the race between the cards is.
the 7950 will pass the 1950 when they turn up the aa more than 4x and bring the res up. but the 1950 looks mighty nice!!! one thing tho in 3dmark06 i score higher than the 1900xtx with a 7900gt and a p4???? what's with that?
MMMmmmmm so nice i want one of them in my next p.c
That's a much bigger performance boost than I was expecting. The 19% average boost over the X1900 seems high, but a 33% increase in bandwidth boosts 3DMark06 performance 33%? How is linear scaling like that even possible?
The other thing is, I can't figure out how in the hell they're going to sell this thing for $399. Between the cost of GDDR4, which has no economy of scale yet, and the machining costs for that cooler, ATI couldn't make much off a card at that price. (Or maybe I'm just trying not to kick myself for picking up an X1900XTX for $330...being delivered today.... :slap: )
Hardware zone has no articles or prices or anything at all about ATI card.
Very very few stuff..so it looks like they want this card to look bad.
Wow thanks, its really good!
Congratulations ATI...
I can't seem to view this review at all. It keeps redirecting me to the main articles page. Bah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
They pulled it =)
Hmmmm, looks quite impressive, i wasn't expecting it to be that much faster.
Wonder if i should sell me X1800 and get one.
its worth the same as a HIS x1900xt iceq3... and thats saying something
It wasn't very well written and left out information. Maybe they decided to revise it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBONE
very true, it was poorly written and had inconclusive results, whether or not they favor one manufacturer or the other.
Is the 399 price confirmed?
If it is then im happy i didn't buy a couple of HIS X1900XT's from Ocuk last night for mine and my bro's new rigs. This card with an oc'd conroe and DFI R600 will be mighty impressive.
Screw DirectX10 and Vista :banana:
Can anyone post graphs ?
VR-Zone has too many simultanious connections - can`t see the review :(
basically they provide the better the memory bandwidth regardless of timings the better the ATi card will perform
the looser timings cause the 3d mark benchies to be lower, but who cares? i only care about the fps i get
The 7950 numbers are way off the mark. The review is :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
Got other more constructive comment upon this ? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
A really don't see the sense of this card :)
the purpose, the goal..
i really don't!
X1900XTX and crosfire is good,they were pretty much able to hold out untill r600 in december...
money making perhaps?
every company has its chance with a flagship card and adding a "50" to it
7950gx2 for example
so now its 1950xtx
see the resemblence?
:p:
yup just a way to bump sales in between design cycles.
im happy. My X1900XTX outperforms their test even when overclocked. Watercooling is my best friend :) No need to upgrade until DX10, that is for sure.
May be they wanted to try out GDDR4 on a GPU that they already have first and not try somthing new for R600.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chojun
Or make ppl buy this before G80 so they dont want to upgrade again.
Not $399...gouging -> $449 to $499..
Pls don't get your hopes up. This 512MB GDDR4.
Perkam
Too bad it won't come in at $399. That price is pleasing to the wallet. Much more so than $449 - $499.
I could rationalize that purchase if the Crossfire performance were kicked up as well.
QFT my fellow ontario friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Not really. I think the lameless of the review, and the numbers they throw around speak for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Just go and look at benchies of the 7950 and the X1900 compared to Vr-Zone. You will see a huge difference.
what i thought, R580 core without a plus :p:
looks very promising, wanna have one and have 300€ lying around, maybe i´ll ditch my WC-Upgrade and take this one instead:slobber:
what does QFT mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
*tries it*
QFT
Quoted for truth ;)
Quoted For TruthQuote:
Originally Posted by rpg711
I still laugh when I see that acronym because for the longest time (not till 2-3 years ago), I thought that was Quit :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing Trolling :D :rofl:
Anyways back to the topic......maybe Shamino can shed some light to why the 7950GX2 benchies are so far off other sites? Does High Quality AF mode really kill Nvidia that poorly? I am presuming other websites use the default NV Quality mode, which causes noticable shimmering?
It also means quit :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing talking, but most of the time it is quoted for truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
I think you answered your own question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramen
As for noone thinking this will weigh in at $399...R580 yields are incredibley high afaik, and while this is the first GDDR4 product, it's not like it's rated at freakishly high speeds. GDDR4 like this has been in production for quite some time (a year?), and samsung/hynix are already producing 3.2ghz+ stuff. Surely mass availability shouldn't be a problem for 2400mhz stuff.
Plus, x1900's are being phased out and will probably drop in price significantly in the next month, not just because of x1950, but because of G80, just like the x1800's did with the release of x1900/g71. I don't think it's crazy that this will replace the x1900xtx at a similar price point, and the 256mb x1950xt will replace the x1900xt spot, making a more easily comparible line to the 7900gtx/7900gt. Just think of the 1950's as the x1900's were to the x1800's. Noone thought the x1900 would be available, at or below MSRP at launch either (Even though it was reported, as this is, that it will be), but it was. What's the differance this time, other than we have a card using a core that has been in production for a year and slow-speed (comparitively speaking to what can be done) next-gen memory that has also been in production for a year?
Sorry to rant, but ya'll are such pessimists. :p:
This doesn't change the fact G80 is coming unbearabley soon, will have DX10 and prolly stomp it...but surely that's not the point as this is in a different market, as G80 will be more than $100 more expensive (and the GT will prolly not be out right away). This is competing against the 7900gtx/7900gt, and will depreciate as they do. If you knock this on the merrit of being dx9, you have to do the same for the beloved cheap x1950pro everyone is waiting for to exceed the value of the 7900gt (which may have similar price/performance value come October). Everything will drop one notch upon G80's release, surely this is no exception.
I knew I'll be putting my credibility on the line if I published the review with the figures I got, and I went on to rerun some of the tests 3 times. Settings were checked, multi-gpu on, image best quality, 4xaa 16xaf, no aa 16xaf, rest I left at stock settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
I will rerun the GX2 now, in particular FEAR again. And if I still get the same numbers I'll reformat it.
For the X1950XTX I can only rerun it again when I get the card since I've had to return it to my contact for the time being.
who is your "contact"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
it seems like the x1950xtx is better than the HIS x1900xtx by alittle
does any1 have a actual msrp price of the x1950xtx
Somebody cache this article quick
I have to take it down now
already reran FEAR with GX2, post up screenshots, settings in while
yay :clap:
Settings:
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/7950x195/1.jpg
Changed to 16xAF
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/7950x195/2.jpg
Changed to Best Quality
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/7950x195/4.jpg
FEAR, 16xAF, 1600x1200 no AA max qual, gets 34 to 33fps
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/7950x195/3.jpg
Then tried:
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/7950x195/5.jpg
Same results
Driver:
http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/7950x195/10.jpg
Try 4AA 16AF HQ 1600x1200 - with soft shadows off - let's see if You can get ~73fps average:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7456/feargb5.jpg
* wasn't soft shadows in FEAR somewhat bugged?! :confused:
I never doubted your credibility when reading the review. Kudos on re-running though.
where's the article? did some one cache it?
Much worse performance / clk than X1900XTX? Would the higher memory latency be enough to make such a difference?
X1900XT prices went <300€, thanks to X1950. Mmmm... I think it's time to upgrade my 9-year old ATi 3D Rage II+DVD w/ 4MB SDRAM @ PCI.
(I think E6400 would be somewhat bottlenecked w/ an upgrade)
rpg711],
230+ posts in 1 month...
Did TechPowerUp ip ban you or did you leave voluntarily?
Overclocker's mem over clockign is garbage, i got more performecne OCing with ATi tool even if i set the clocks the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by largon
Is the Review @ vr-zone deleted ?
ok forget the game benchmark numbers for the time being, I got flamed pretty bad all around by readers, I gotta figure out what went wrong with my 7950GX2 runs.
Since the date i can publish the review is pushed back quite a bit so i'll redo it and redo the setup.
the rest is still pretty relevant though
Don't quote me on it but I think its $450. I'm going to sell my x1900xtx try to get atleast 350 for it, i don't mind spending $50 for a 1950, im prety confident it will be less then $400 through the ati accommodation i get through my work. I found out shortly after I spent $575.00 on my xtx, that I could have gotten it for $329.00 through ati's accommodation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rpg711
the review at www.hardwarezone.com is also gone.. maby the got :slapass: by ati lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Xptweaker
They'll be doing this: :bows: when you run that in crossfire with a conroe board on ln2/phase ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamino
Perkam
Latest news i got is that launch's put back from 24th aug to 14th sept
price i double checked still supposed to be 399
Wow...launch delay ?! Thats unexpected.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Hard to believe $399 Shamino...at least for retail...considering this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ice=&maxPrice= (Only 2 out of all are under $399.
Perkam
Damn, later? Any reason why? That could seriously hurt sales as that makes the cards release that much closer to the R600 release, leaving the X1950 with a very short life span, about as long lived as the X1800 cards.
Sounds like they're trying to clear stock of the x1900xt's and xtx's first.
Either that, or they've fallen into the world that NVidia was in with the 7800GTX 512mb... The memory shortage world. It's a curse that almost always happens when a card uses bleeding edge new ram first, especially if the other company is stockpiling it already for their next card.
It's probably the same reason we haven't heard a release date beyond "september - october" for the G80. GDDR4 is still rather new.
I used to think for the longest time that it meant Quite F*cking True.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Perhaps it can as well? Who is to say what acronym actually means what? Who comes up with this stuff and claims what it will mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonOrta
aww too bad about the delay....
ive been counting pennies.
seems that to be a hard launch :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Staus of the 1950 cards for us brits :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibbo
Hi there
That has now changed:-
X1950 XTX 512MB GDDR4 will be £275 - £295 +VAT (In stock 23rd August or earlier)
X1950 XT 256MB GDDR4 will be £210 - £230 +VAT (Arriving late September, price may also come down)
WOW! Now that is extreeeeemely low pricing! :eek: :eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by adfinni
Sure, xtremely low pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
= 460€ - 510€ including VAT (16%)Quote:
X1950 XTX 512MB GDDR4 will be £275 - £295 +VAT
= 360€ - 395€ including VAT (16%)Quote:
X1950 XT 256MB GDDR4 will be £210 - £230 +VAT
400€ for a card with only 256MB? Duh, :stick:
hahahahahaah. Coming from the one person on this planet, that is well and truely full of horse :banana::banana::banana::banana:.Quote:
Originally Posted by adfinni
Gibbo from the OCUK forums???????? LMAO
people on there believe everything he says. He could say plant an oak Tree in your garden and it will grow Conroe CPU's and people would believe him.
Take with a pinch of salt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
That is best than ATI 1950XT :p:
O i know the stuff he comes out with, but he's normally pretty accurate with his pricing close to launch, as lying to customers on the forum, getting their hopes up, would certainly be bad for his business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
But i rofl'd @ when he said that OcUK were getting 90% of the UK allocation of 1950XTX's, now that is a load of :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :D
edit, woot nearly 10 posts ;)
ya... but with all the other stuff that most people really want, they usually are delayedQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
wow! the x1900xtx dropped in price?
two weeks ago, i was thinking about getting a x1900xt for 420$ LOL
If this new card truly releases at $399 USD, and there are cards in hand for sale, this is going to be an awesome time to be in the market for a new card.
First, the AMD vs. Intel price war, and now this...I don't know if my wallet can keep up.
Got any sort of confirmation on the date yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Luckily I read your posts here like 5 minutes before my rig was getting shipped from my retailer, so I quickly called and cancelled my X1900XTX. Now the only question is how long I'm gonna have to wait for the 1950? It's gonna be quite sad having $3000 worth of hardware standing without a graphics card :brick:
Yes very cheap, the 7800GTX and 512mb GTX both launched between 400-550 pounds....do I need to say more? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by largon