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The best Conroe Work Station Motherboard ASUS P5W64 WS Pro
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Mm, lookin good! Not a bad FSB either.
Quad X1900GT anyone? :D (XT/X wouldn't fit :()
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looks like a nice mobo
why haven't they put the 8pins power on the P5W DH :mad:
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Originally Posted by Supertim0r
looks like a nice mobo
why haven't they put the 8pins power on the P5W DH :mad:
Because it's different team to make mobo.
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Where can I find more info? I googled this board and came up with very little. Is the four pci express slots for multiple monitors or quad sli? ETA for retail?
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Andre you tried running a PCIe raid card on any of the PCIe slots? Together with CF?
I'm interested to know because this mobo looks best for a CF + PCIe raid card config.
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Originally Posted by NickS
Mm, lookin good! Not a bad FSB either.
Quad X1900GT anyone? :D (XT/X wouldn't fit :()
that is why they make low profile waterblocks. use them and cut the backplate down . you could make it work drivers would be another story.
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Wonder how expensive that's going to be, prolly like 350 USD :(
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Originally Posted by jimmyz
that is why they make low profile waterblocks. use them and cut the backplate down . you could make it work drivers would be another story.
Well that and GT can use dongle-less CF :)
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would make it interesting if drivers popped up somewhere. good looking boards too. lots of potential there.
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Originally Posted by AzraelDarkangel
Where can I find more info? I googled this board and came up with very little. Is the four pci express slots for multiple monitors or quad sli? ETA for retail?
Retail will be available in one month.
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Originally Posted by NiCKE^
Wonder how expensive that's going to be, prolly like 350 USD :(
At least. :( Intel boards are such a rip.
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oh my.. i think im in haven! :slobber:
please pinch me.. is that 4 x16 pci-e?
how many lanes?
retail in a month? :(
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Originally Posted by Supertim0r
looks like a nice mobo
why haven't they put the 8pins power on the P5W DH :mad:
LOL it is 8pin, the other 4 r covered..
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Originally Posted by NapalmV5
LOL it is 8pin, the other 4 r covered..
Notice he said "DH".
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What's the expected price of this board?
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Originally Posted by NiCKE^
Notice he said "DH".
LOL.. im 2 excisted..
http://www.idt.com/products/files/1840374/PES24N3ds.pdf
?
x16
x8
x8
x8
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Originally Posted by Alphy
What's the expected price of this board?
300us$+ :(
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Originally Posted by NickS
Mm, lookin good! Not a bad FSB either.
Quad X1900GT anyone? :D (XT/X wouldn't fit :()
You need a master card when running on Intel chipsets .....Unless you know a GT crossfire edition somewhere :D .
Very nice board btw ... :slobber:
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WOW!... EDIT but its on a E63... does this mean this was using windows-overclocking, and/or not as good on E66+?
- what is the 3rd heatsink that the p5w doesnt have
- did you rip off some covers? the 2 boards dont match
- funny how the NB cover isnt AS restrictive as that on the P5W... perhaps they are wising up?
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
FSB 472
NO Mod
ooooooooooh very nice :D
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
:toast:
NICE!!
You had to push Vmch at 1,8v to obtain this FSB?
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wow this board is awesome ... oo bad its going to be 300-ish and ill prolly get RD600 anyway
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4 pci x16 slots?
i thought it was 2 x16's and 2 pci-x(aka useless lol) slots
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those are definately not pci-x slots and the 64 in the p5w64 stands for the total speed of the pci-e slots (4 x 16 = 64)
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WOOOHAAA this is the board I have been waiting for!!! 4x16 slots now where can I get more info, specs, est time to retail etc etc etc!!!!!
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Will this mb support up to kentsfield ?
anyway can anyone enlighten me why one need 4 pci-x :(
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Originally Posted by Torphoto
WOOOHAAA this is the board I have been waiting for!!! 4x16 slots now where can I get more info, specs, est time to retail etc etc etc!!!!!
what is the purpose of having those 4 slots?
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does the mainbaord needs a drop mod?
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Originally Posted by an0nym0us
what is the purpose of having those 4 slots?
PCI-E RAID cards... 8 monitor support with 4 graphics cards....usual workstation stuff.
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Hey Andre,
am I right, that the P5W64 WS Pro has two NIC interfaces, one GBit PCIe and one GBit PCI? Do you have any hints, why Asus implements 2 GBit PCIe interfaces on the more ordinary P5W DH, while they give only one GBit PCIe interface to their flagchip board?
BTW: any news about the release date? Still no hints from Asus...
Regards
Dat Ei
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There will be more interest in this board than the p5wdg2-ws pro as pci-e slots are more usable than pcix in general terms. Now it's just when asus decides to release it to our side of the pond.
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Originally Posted by Dat Ei
Hey Andre,
am I right, that the P5W64 WS Pro has two NIC interfaces, one GBit PCIe and one GBit PCI? Do you have any hints, why Asus implements 2 GBit PCIe interfaces on the more ordinary P5W DH, while they give only one GBit PCIe interface to their flagchip board?
BTW: any news about the release date? Still no hints from Asus...
Regards
Dat Ei
there's only so many pcie lanes they can use remember. There's none spare for 2 pcie lan.
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I just went through the older p5wdg2-ws manual ( no pro yet ) and the gigabit lan is pcie 4x on both, where did you find out that the pro and p5w64 has pci lan on the second port? I guess we'll have to wait to be sure but it seems like pcie lan for all 3
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Does anybody know when this board will be released in the UK,
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Nope, Insight will have the P5WG2-WS Pro for £193 on the 22nd Aug (1 board!!!). Haven't heard anything about this though - can't wait either :D.
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Originally Posted by smids
Nope, Insight will have the P5WG2-WS Pro for £193 on the 22nd Aug (1 board!!!). Haven't heard anything about this though - can't wait either :D.
Novatech have 3 (non pro?) in stock now @ £182
i'm waiting for the P5W64 presonally though.
Nox
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Originally Posted by Torphoto
I just went through the older p5wdg2-ws manual ( no pro yet ) and the gigabit lan is pcie 4x on both, where did you find out that the pro and p5w64 has pci lan on the second port? I guess we'll have to wait to be sure but it seems like pcie lan for all 3
Witghout double checking, I'm pretty sure that on my P5wdg2-ws professional it is both pci lan, so it should be the same on the 64 I would think.
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Originally Posted by nox_uk
Novatech have 3 (non pro?) in stock now @ £182
i'm waiting for the P5W64 presonally though.
Nox
Same - the problem with the non-Pro is the obvious lack of Conroe/Allendale support - which is why we are all waiting.
Welcome to the forums btw :)
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Thanks, seriously long term browser here - figured it was about time. :D
Nox
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Originally Posted by Torphoto
I just went through the older p5wdg2-ws manual ( no pro yet ) and the gigabit lan is pcie 4x on both, where did you find out that the pro and p5w64 has pci lan on the second port? I guess we'll have to wait to be sure but it seems like pcie lan for all 3
The pics of the P5W64 show one Marvell 88E8052 (PCIe) and one 88E8001 (PCI as far as I know).
Dat Ei
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Originally Posted by xgman
Witghout double checking, I'm pretty sure that on my P5wdg2-ws professional it is both pci lan, so it should be the same on the 64 I would think.
Quote from the Manual of the P5WDG2-WS Pro:
"The motherboard comes with dual Gigabit LAN controllers to provide the total solution for your networking needs. These network controllers use the PCI Express segment to provide faster data bandwidth for your wired or wireless Internet, LAN and file sharing requirements."
The Chip Nos are:
Marvell 88SE8052 + 88E8001
Cheers,
AP
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What are the PCI-E slots electrically?
I would imagine something along the lines of:
Slot 1: 16x/8x
Slot 2: 4x/8x
Slot 3: 1x/4x
Slot 4: 1x/1x
WHich in this case the layouy would not be too go for SLI/CF. I am just wildly guessing - or did they managed to implement more PCI-E lanes on the Southbrigde?
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Originally Posted by mikeguava
What are the PCI-E slots electrically?
I would imagine something along the lines of:
Slot 1: 16x/8x
Slot 2: 4x/8x
Slot 3: 1x/4x
Slot 4: 1x/1x
WHich in this case the layouy would not be too go for SLI/CF. I am just wildly guessing - or did they managed to implement more PCI-E lanes on the Southbrigde?
They're supposed to be 16x/8x , 8x , 8x , 4x
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Just started looking what that IDT chip was and hurray - an extra 24 PCI-E lanes.
Had missed this post:
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Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Right on the money - indeed this is a must have board!!!
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Isn't it P5W64 as in 64 lanes, hence:
16x
16x
16x
16x
or, with lanes spread elsewhere
16x
8x
8x
16x
With the remaining 16 lanes used elsewhere?
1 thing for sure is 64 lanes.
Have I got the wrong end of the stick entirely? :confused:
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Any ideas how this will work with two 7950GX2?
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Originally Posted by smids
PCI-E RAID cards... 8 monitor support with 4 graphics cards....usual workstation stuff.
No... 16 monitors with four quad monitor adapters. ;)
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Originally Posted by PreacherMan
No... 16 monitors with four quad monitor adapters. ;)
Ok, I have shown I'm actually a consumer looking at this board - I completely forgot about quad monitor cards.
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Did I understand this correctly, currently the Asus P5WDG2-WS PRO is the best Conroe mobo out, and this P5W64 WS Pro will be even better?
If this is correct... what is the ETA on the W64? Is it worth the wait? (My E6600 won't ship until mid september at the earliest.)
Thanks
~ Kris
edit: Nevermind, I don't think I want a workstation (PCI-X) mobo anyway... Sorry.
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Is this the better board for overclocking a E6600 as the P5WDG2-WS PRO?
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Originally Posted by Drow
Is this the better board for overclocking a E6600 as the P5WDG2-WS PRO?
I have not looked into theese boards that much yet but to me the seem to have many features in common. So my guess is that they are pretty much the same regarding OC cpu.
The thing I am wondering the most about is the different of theese cards handeling two 7950GX2. I mean, the W64 has more fysical PCI-e slots but when using 7950GX2s atlest one of the slots is being covered. So maybe there is no point of getting the W64 when having 7950GX2?
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Not w/ 7950GX2's but it looks like you can put in four 7900GTX's or even perhaps four G80 single slot cards which would be faster than the 7950GX2's, assuming that quad SLI will work with it. But this is only if you plan on using this as a graphics workstation. The board also looks to have a lot of potential for raid as well pci-e is MUCH faster than pci-x, and for raid cards you can create some pretty cool arrays here. Heck, even if the slots are only 8x pci-e, that's more than enough even for a 10GbE network card per slot. ;)
Only wish they used SAS controllers on the mainboard opposed to SATA that way we could plug in either SAS drives and/or SATA drives at will instead of just SATA drives.
This is the board that's got all my attention. :slobber:
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Does this board have 4 16x-PCI-E-Lanes? Or?
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Originally Posted by Drow
Does this board have 4 16x-PCI-E-Lanes? Or?
Nothing official yet that we can see. There's a lot of speculation on that subject. From the name of the board P5W64 WS it _appears_ that it will have 64 lanes. I think everyone here is hoping that it's 16lanesx4 but we'll see as soon as we get an official update from asus.
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well if you look at the manual on their site it is 8x8x8x4 when using all 4, 8x8 when using two, so the 64 in the name is wishful thinking
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Originally Posted by linflas
well if you look at the manual on their site it is 8x8x8x4 when using all 4, 8x8 when using two, so the 64 in the name is wishful thinking
You have the link for the manual? I'm just seeing the BIOS link. I want to check that myself as there is not even 1 16x that you're saying? That just doesn't make much sense.
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If you use one PCIE, it's 16X. Two PCIE are 8X+8X.
4 PCIE
First slot 8X
Second slot 8X
Third slot 4X
fourth 8X
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
If you use one PCIE, it's 16X. Two PCIE are 8X+8X.
4 PCIE
First slot 8X
Second slot 8X
Third slot 4X
fourth 8X
Not as good as my hopes, but at least that makes more sense. I don't get the the 4x there (are the other 4 channels being used by the onboard nics or something?) But even w/ 4x that's enough to power a 10GbE card.
Still, it's got more PCIe channels across more slots than any other that I've seen which is a plus.
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Originally Posted by blossa
Any ideas how this will work with two 7950GX2?
NVidia, much to my dismay have disabled the quad in anything which is not SLI. Thus the WS Pro doesn't work. It causes a nice stop error though when the 4th graphics driver installs, and tries to start.
AP.
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A much better board design :clap: , does the Vmch go to 1.85 ???
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http://www.pcutstyr.no/main.php3?PI=...9756X662496530
Norweigan etailer showing an ETA of 18th Sep 2006 - but a whacking great big price. Check out the XE.com conversion for your own currency!!!
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:confused: What is max. Vdimm??? I saw it limited at 2,4 volt on the P5WDG2-WS.
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Originally Posted by blossa
Any ideas how this will work with two 7950GX2?
Hi blossa, you here!
I'm looking at the p6w64 as well, the p5w dh has crappy sata with only 4 decent ports and i need 6!
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just so you know the marvel interface for the sata controller for the 3 internal and one external sata ports ain't that great, I had three drives hooked up to it in normal sata mode (no raid) and when I attempted to write to one, extract to another and defrag the third I got pauses in event viewer that effect windows to the point of being unusable, I looked for an updated driver but was unsuccessful
Th intel one is great, I bought 2 cheap ide to sata adapters for my DVD-RW drives, a lite-on and a plextor, and they work great on the intel sata ports, the marvel will not recognize the drives at all.
V-DIMM Max 2.4V
V-MCH Max 1.8V
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Originally Posted by linflas
well if you look at the manual on their site it is 8x8x8x4 when using all 4, 8x8 when using two, so the 64 in the name is wishful thinking
Manual? what manual?
ON a serious note is the p5w64 actually on sale in Japan and Taiwan now and is the bios multi lingual?
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Originally Posted by NickS
Mm, lookin good! Not a bad FSB either.
Quad X1900GT anyone? :D (XT/X wouldn't fit :()
hehe in case this board can handle it, sure wouldnt be a problem getting 4x x1950XTX into it.. - Just a matter of using some working tools too cut some of the metal off..
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:rolleyes: Took a second look at the pics now - You are able to change the MULTI on this board?
Is that true?
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Originally Posted by camouflage
:rolleyes: Took a second look at the pics now - You are able to change the MULTI on this board?
Is that true?
X6800 can change multi , others cannot change multi on the board.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
X6800 can change multi , others cannot change multi on the board.
:eek: Oh thank You - I got somethig wrong I think...........
So if I get an E6600 with Multi 9 and let's imagine it does 3800MHz on water = 3800:9 = ~FSB 423.
So in this case I won't need FSB 478 - then P5WDG2-WS Professional should be best buy for me.
What do You think ???
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Originally Posted by camouflage
:eek: Oh thank You - I got somethig wrong I think...........
Some ASUS mobos can open multi for user, but WS Pro and P5W64 didin't open multi yet.
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AndreYang,
If you would be so kind, if you get another beta bios for the WS Pro, would you mind hosting it, I for one appreciated you hosting the 0004 for us.
Thanks
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@ AndreYang
Is the Board able to run SLI on PCIE slot 1 + 3 or 1 + 4 ?
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Its still not out, there are some retailers trying to sell this for a ridiculous price.
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I expect the board within a week or two on the shelves. While there was just one offer at www.geizhals.at (best-price-site) at the beginnig of last week, you can now find over 20 offers.
Dat Ei
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damn, this board is gonna be $333 USD like P5WDG2 WS PRO
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
Some ASUS mobos can open multi for user, but WS Pro and P5W64 didin't open multi yet.
which ones are those?
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oh, i see. only down, i presume...
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LOL !!
In Poland this is a cheapest mobo with 975 chipset!!! about 200 USD with 22% VAT (lolx2)!
In USA price will be about IMO 150USD....
i gonna to shop tomorrow to bought this mobo, maybe this is a price mistaken but now in my city two shop have with this price (~200usd)
UPDATE: I pre-ordered this mobo, ship 13-15 Sept.
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the (my) p5w64 is awesome :D
495 1M stable:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8149/495tm0.th.jpg
without any mods. 1.8 VMCH. watercool @ northbridge. 27 degrees roomtemp.
very nice.
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Originally Posted by Lizardus
LOL !!
In Poland this is a cheapest mobo with 975 chipset!!! about 200 USD with 22% VAT (lolx2)!
In USA price will be about IMO 150USD....
i gonna to shop tomorrow to bought this mobo, maybe this is a price mistaken but now in my city two shop have with this price (~200usd)
UPDATE: I pre-ordered this mobo, ship 13-15 Sept.
Where from?! I'll order from Poland as there is no customs on EU items! :D
EDIT: You know what?! He isn't kidding - I've found several Polish Etailers with the board at £112!!! Compared to the £180 here in the UK. Also, for anyone looking to import into the UK, there is no customs or excise charges apparently, as I looked up the codes etc on the European Union website - all you pay is for the board and shipping!
Now to find a polish etailer who ships to the UK...hmm.... help!
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Is this board going to contain any of those talked about "enhancements" for Kentsfield?
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mine should arrive today!!! can't wait :)
Nox
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Originally Posted by Lizardus
LOL !!
In Poland this is a cheapest mobo with 975 chipset!!! about 200 USD with 22% VAT (lolx2)!
In USA price will be about IMO 150USD....
i gonna to shop tomorrow to bought this mobo, maybe this is a price mistaken but now in my city two shop have with this price (~200usd)
UPDATE: I pre-ordered this mobo, ship 13-15 Sept.
Where did You seen this mobo in this price ??
It must be mistake or not Asus P5W64 WS Professional :D
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Originally Posted by yotomeczek
Where did You seen this mobo in this price ??
It must be mistake or not Asus P5W64 WS Professional :D
Surely http://pc.emarket.pl/pricelist/item.aspx?PID=C6550643 = $204USD or £109GBP. Do they ship to the UK? :p: :slobber: :rolleyes:
That is just one of many shops at that price.
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Looks right, but only thing it does not mention in the list is Conroe support. That price looks too good to be true..
regards
Raja
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Originally Posted by raju
Looks right, but only thing it does not mention in the list is Conroe support. That price looks too good to be true..
regards
Raja
There is no P5W64 without Conroe support - only P5WG2-WS doesn't have Conroe. ALL 64's with 4 PCIe x16 lanes have Conroe support.
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Got mine just now, only 2 hooks for the NB fan - yet AndreYangs picture shows 4? Special reviewer only board?
Will update with more info about what real World results I get are.
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Originally Posted by Durzel
Got mine just now, only 2 hooks for the NB fan - yet AndreYangs picture shows 4? Special reviewer only board?
Will update with more info about what real World results I get are.
Really?! That's odd. I've only seen them with 4 hooks.... Hmm, why would they do that?! Cost saving?! :slapass:
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Mine is on its way, hopefully I can report on that tonight - if not, tomorrow. Got it from Scan in the UK.
Nox
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Originally Posted by smids
Really?! That's odd. I've only seen them with 4 hooks.... Hmm, why would they do that?! Cost saving?! :slapass:
I guess so, can't think of any other reason.
Interestingly the Hexus review board has 2 hooks, but Andres and others I've seen have 4. Same with the P5WDG2 WS Pro too - review/early boards seem to have 4 hooks, retail have 2. Makes you wonder what else is missing really.
I got mine from Scan too nox_uk so yours will have 2 hooks too :)
Serial number was 68M0AG incidentally, which isn't surprising I guess since its a newer released board than the P5W-DH.
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(due to the forum restructuring, part of this thread is cross-posted, sorry!!)
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Going from 4 hooks to 2 hooks probably is a "cost reduction", saves a couple of cents per board.
I read somewhere else that the serial numbers 68MOAGxxxxxx version of one of the other ASUS boards was thought to be superior to those with serial numbers 67MOAGxxxxxx in terms of overclocking stability.
I had been testing one of the 67's (of the P5WDG2 WS Pro) and just got a 68 (of the P5WDG2 WS Pro.) I have not started testing the 68 yet, but so far, all I can tell is that the northbridge heatsink has 2 hooks on the 68 where the 67 has 4 hooks. Some of the components, capacitors, etc are obviously different. The boards both have the same revision on the silkscreen, rev. 1.02G. ASUS probably didn't bother to update the silkscreen.
I am not an engineer, so changes in caps or other components may or may not mean cost savings.
Perhaps Andre Yang or someone who has looked at a 68MOAGxxxxxx version (and the 67 version) can comment.
Andrew
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Not having much joy with my P5W64 so far, it's crapping out at pretty much exactly the same 1:1 FSB as my P5W-DH (66M0AG, 1.65v vMCH) did.
Can anyone see anything wrong with what I'm doing?..
1) Booting it at 3.4Ghz (340x10 - can't change multiplier in BIOS), memory is set to be 1:1, 2.1v (G.Skill PC2-6400 2GB HZ)
2) Using CrystalCPUID to lower multi to 6x
3) Using Clockgen to move FSB up from 340 to 400 and beyond
4) Like my P5W-DH this P5W64 (68M0AG) hard locks at around 410FSB.
I've tried setting mem to SPD or Manual and it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Voltages are 1.7v vMCH (tried 1.8v - no difference), 1.3250v vCore (overvolts to about 1.38v in PC Probe), FSB 1.4v, ICH 1.2v.
Given so many other people seem to be getting well over 400 I can't help but think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong? I haven't changed the TIM or anything yet on this P5W64, or even taken the plastic film off the covers. If Hexus can get 500FSB 1:1 "just by changing 1.7v", and Andre and co. are getting 450+ with ease - where am I going wrong? :(
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Could it be the CrystalCPUID giving you grief? I am not 100% sure that using software to change multi is a rock-solid test of the mobo's capability. It would be more interesting to drop a 6300 or 6400 in your same mobo and see what FSB you get to I think.
Andrew
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Originally Posted by Durzel
Not having much joy with my P5W64 so far, it's crapping out at pretty much exactly the same 1:1 FSB as my P5W-DH (66M0AG, 1.65v vMCH) did.
Can anyone see anything wrong with what I'm doing?..
1) Booting it at 3.4Ghz (340x10 - can't change multiplier in BIOS), memory is set to be 1:1, 2.1v (G.Skill PC2-6400 2GB HZ)
2) Using CrystalCPUID to lower multi to 6x
3) Using Clockgen to move FSB up from 340 to 400 and beyond
4) Like my P5W-DH this P5W64 (68M0AG) hard locks at around 410FSB.
I've tried setting mem to SPD or Manual and it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Voltages are 1.7v vMCH (tried 1.8v - no difference), 1.3250v vCore (overvolts to about 1.38v in PC Probe), FSB 1.4v, ICH 1.2v.
Given so many other people seem to be getting well over 400 I can't help but think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong? I haven't changed the TIM or anything yet on this P5W64, or even taken the plastic film off the covers. If Hexus can get 500FSB 1:1 "just by changing 1.7v", and Andre and co. are getting 450+ with ease - where am I going wrong? :(
