HKEPC Gets X1950XTX Final Sample

But hasn't started testing it yet:

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments...A3mErhOn5Q.jpg

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=637970

Perkam

Cant wait till testing.....

At least it has got a better overall look then the previous models....

Sweet, I'm digging that new cooler.

my god that thing looks sexy, far more then that ugly 2pcb thingy :)

ATi Radeon X1950XTX 512MB/512bit Samsung 0.85ns GDDR4 @ 650/2000

Crazy !!!!!!!


waiting for 3Dmark05 WR on the Crossfire Edition

This card is very sexy... How much will it cost?

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Originally Posted by igor0203

This card is very sexy... How much will it cost?

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It wont be cheaper than the 7800GTX512 release price:D

Are you sure? :stick:

Im sure for the 0.85ns Memory and core/mem frequent

not for the price and memory bandwith ,may be 256bit

of course ,R580+ has 80nm process and the lower power cosumer compare with X1900XTX

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Originally Posted by milkcafe

Im sure for the 0.85ns Memory and core/mem frequent

not for the price and memory bandwith ,may be 256bit

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0.85ns?
strange when you know that 0.80ns already exsists and been made by samsung

yea heatpipes on ati :D

new cooler looks very good i like it :D

There is also heatpipes on the old x1900xtx cooler but they are not very big

Anyone know if it is 80nm process or not ?

Regards
Andy

the final name

AMD Radeon X1950XTX :D

more heatpipes... like the7900gtx would help... =P after all that core is bigger than amd's and intels cpu's. so look at the cpu coolers...

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the final name

AMD Radeon X1950XTX :D

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Both companies have stated that won't happen till Q4 2006. THe deal could still fall through. They havent asked the momma and poppa's of the companies: the shareholders ;)

Price will be $449.

Perkam

The fan looks loads better then the old fan, along with the fin part to

I may get one just so it looks better than my X1900XT. SO MUCH SEXIER!!!!
I heard it's supposidly $400. If I don't get one, mine is just gonna go down in price.

Crap, still 650mhz core :(

I guess ATI really needs 40-50% more transistors to get about equal performance to the G71. The current X1900XTX may be better than the 7900GTX in some instances, but certainly not by 40-50%. I'm not so sure if the R600 is going to beat the G80 so easily, seeing the G71 being much more efficient than the R580(+) in therms of performance/transistor.

And about the GDDR4:

0.85ns = DDR-2350
0.80ns = DDR-2500

0.85ns sounds more than plenty to me ;)

Why do they think it's better to pull air through a heatsink rather than push directly down on it? Shoulda learned from 7900GTX...

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Originally Posted by Absolute_0

Why do they think it's better to pull air through a heatsink rather than push directly down on it? Shoulda learned from 7900GTX...

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What? That fan is a blower...it sucks air from inside the case and blows it out the back..what makes you think it sucks air throught the sink:stick:

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Originally Posted by Absolute_0

Why do they think it's better to pull air through a heatsink rather than push directly down on it? Shoulda learned from 7900GTX...

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Yeah, but the 7900GTX cooler dumps about 50% of the heat right into the case. I wouldn't like that with 2 X1950XTX's in Crossfire :rolleyes:

*EDIT*: Like Lead Head says, it pushes the air through the sink out of the case.

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Originally Posted by alexio

I guess ATI really needs 40-50% more transistors to get about equal performance to the G71. The current X1900XTX may be better than the 7900GTX in some instances, but certainly not by 40-50%. I'm not so sure if the R600 is going to beat the G80 so easily, seeing the G71 being much more efficient than the R580(+) in therms of performance/transistor.

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The X1900 architecture is more forward looking than the G7X arch. Given the right conditions it would crap on it (read: anything with dynamic branching). Ati probably gambled that dynamic branching would be in use by now and the built a monster around that. Also the memory controller is much different and is likely to stay with us for a few generations. For this generation it was a big investment in transistors but in future generations it wont be as bad, yet it gives a big boost in performance. Nvidia was specifically targeting reduced transistor count and succeeded well in that, but thats no reason to bash Ati when they are targeting something else. Who knows what will happen next gen, personally i think the R600 will be better, but only time will tell.

Bench it bench it bench it...
I wanna see how it does against 7950GX2..

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Originally Posted by alexio

Yeah, but the 7900GTX cooler dumps about 50% of the heat right into the case. I wouldn't like that with 2 X1950XTX's in Crossfire :rolleyes:

*EDIT*: Like Lead Head says, it pushes the air through the sink out of the case.

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Push, suck, same thing, i'm saying that i'm not convinced that pushing/sucking air through the heatsink is as effective as having the fan right on the heatsink directly over the core.

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Originally Posted by Absolute_0

Push, suck, same thing, i'm saying that i'm not convinced that pushing/sucking air through the heatsink is as effective as having the fan right on the heatsink directly over the core.

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i'm with you,
zalman VF serie ;)

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Originally Posted by zakelwe

Anyone know if it is 80nm process or not ?

Regards
Andy

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Its still 90nm ;)

Cant wait for benchies :cool:

I thought X1950XTX was in 80nm :confused:

I don't care about performance results as I know it has to be better than the current X1900 cards. What does spark my curiosity is HEAT. How are the temps with this new cooler over the current stock cooler? NOISE is another big issue, I am loving the lack of noise from my X2. If this new cooler can at least match the noise output and offer me slightly better cooling (X2 blows air in case/new cooler takes it out) than my X2.

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Originally Posted by metalazzo

I thought X1950XTX was in 80nm :confused:

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RV535 for 4 Pipes and 12 Pixel Shaders 80nm
RV560 for 8 Pipes and 24 Pixel Shaders 80nm
RV570 for 12 Pipes and 36 Pixel Shaders 80nm
R580+ for 16 Pipes and 48 Pixel Shaders 90nm

very impressive :toast:

jest wonder, is jest me or any one else see some THERMALTAKE designing ?

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very impressive :toast:

jest wonder, is jest me or any one else see some THERMALTAKE designing ?

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Let's all pray to god that this isn't the case... :rolleyes:

very similar with the ICEQ 3 cooler (arctic cooling) from HIS which has way better performance according to reviews
but seems to have longer fins for even better heat dissipation
check the difference (on the right) with this pic from guru3d
http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=7498

Hmm...450 bucks.. Might just get this to tide me over for a year or two!!

I'd like to see a X1950GT@250$ :fact:

So where are the tests???

When is this supposed to be out..I'm hearing the 7th of August and also the 23rd-27th of August??

oooh sexy

btw what cpu cooler is that? looks like a launchsite lol

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments...A3mErhOn5Q.jpg

Gigabyte or TT , looking at the shape

its a gigabyte, called a 3D aurour or something I think...
Ed.

Its Gigabyte Rocket cooler ;)

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Originally Posted by Absolute_0

Push, suck, same thing, i'm saying that i'm not convinced that pushing/sucking air through the heatsink is as effective as having the fan right on the heatsink directly over the core.

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Well, there isn't much heatsink right above the core. The air goes to the sides and cools the fins that are around the heatpipes in the cooler. So basicly it the same as the ATI cooler, but just with 2X half the air resistance from the fins instead of 1 bigger resistance. Actually, it is 2 times a quarter of the air restistance as air resistance becomes 4 times bigger if the air passing a surface moves two times as fast. For this I don't know the right Enlish word, but this a rather big advantage for the Nvidia cooler.

Ofcourse a fan blowing in two directions (<--> instead of <--) is more effcient, but like I said it has the disadvantage that half of the heat is dumped inside the case. You could place a fan on the heatsink right above the core, but if it only has one side to blow the air to after it has gone through the fins, the effect is the same and actually a little worse than the centrifusal fan ATI uses. This is because the centrifusal design ATI uses provides a much bigger head pressure.

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Originally Posted by Sol

very similar with the ICEQ 3 cooler (arctic cooling) from HIS which has way better performance according to reviews
but seems to have longer fins for even better heat dissipation
check the difference (on the right) with this pic from guru3d
http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=7498

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same design just more "aerodinamic"

so when are the benchs coming?

Yes but nearley dubble size heatsink it goes all the way to the end of the card

The cooler looks really good. One thing I liked about X1900 cooler though is the placement of the fan under the shroud. Not optimized for low noise but good for performence in Crossfire since the front card won't stop the airflow.7950GX2 should learn from that. The card that connects to the PCI-E gets really hot as it is now.

Looking forward to testing this card when it is available. More mem bandwidth in Crossfire will do wonders for performence.

they have the card already 1 day ...
and yet no 3dmark05 score :(

13K stock my friends with FX62 at 3.0ghz ;)

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At least it has got a better overall look then the previous models....

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Who gives a :banana::banana::banana::banana: how it looks?. it needs to cool properly.

Awaiting benchies

looks cool tho very sleek

Any updates on this?

Nope...but you wouldn't need them...Hardlaunch is slated for week of August 27th.

Perkam

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Nope...but you wouldn't need them...Hardlaunch is salted for week of August 27th.

Perkam

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a day before my birthday? lucky me :D

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Nope...but you wouldn't need them...Hardlaunch is salted for week of August 27th.

Perkam

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salted?
thats a new one...

slated, perhaps?

Anyway i think we do need benchies, i don't want to wait near enough a month for results when i could see them sooner.

FFS one week already and no tests :slapass:

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salted?
thats a new one...

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lol...edited.

Perkam

Does anybody know if this card will work with a 1900XT crossfire master card ?

Doubtful.

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Originally Posted by CedricFP

Doubtful.

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Can you elaborate ?

Imo it would be quite logical that it would work (same pipelines, only slightly different memory speeds).

lol, just came to laugh at the salted.

This will be my first ATI product in 3 years. Sounds good to me!!

let me try to understand. x1900xtx is 625/1700 and the x1950xt is 650/2000, does it have 80nm instead of 90nm? That accounts for the slightly higher clock along with faster ram. If x1900xtx is $499 now, the x1950xt is gonna be at least $599

benchies would be nice...

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let me try to understand. x1900xtx is 625/1700 and the x1950xt is 650/2000, does it have 80nm instead of 90nm? That accounts for the slightly higher clock along with faster ram. If x1900xtx is $499 now, the x1950xt is gonna be at least $599

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Unfortunately it is still on 90nm process.

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let me try to understand. x1900xtx is 625/1700 and the x1950xt is 650/2000, does it have 80nm instead of 90nm? That accounts for the slightly higher clock along with faster ram. If x1900xtx is $499 now, the x1950xt is gonna be at least $599

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Huh? The X1900XTX is 650/1550 :fact:

Loving that new cooler.

Can't wait to see what this beast can do :banana:

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let me try to understand. x1900xtx is 625/1700 and the x1950xt is 650/2000, does it have 80nm instead of 90nm? That accounts for the slightly higher clock along with faster ram. If x1900xtx is $499 now, the x1950xt is gonna be at least $599

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Negative, sir. You can pick up a Sapphire X1900XTX on Newegg for $375 right now. I've heard that introductory MSRP is going to be $449 for the X1950XTX.

What is the current opinion on crossfire compatibility?

x1950xt is nothing new, just faster rated ram. ATI made no changes, its the ram manufactors that did. Reminds me of the ti4200, ti4400 and ti4600 where the only difference was in the faster memory. The core clocks were different by default but it was the same core and you could usually overclock anyway.

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x1950xt is nothing new, just faster rated ram. ATI made no changes, its the ram manufactors that did. Reminds me of the ti4200, ti4400 and ti4600 where the only difference was in the faster memory. The core clocks were different by default but it was the same core and you could usually overclock anyway.

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A complete reference cooler overhaul is nothing to sneeze at, especially considering the previous X850 leafblower design.

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Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

x1950xt is nothing new, just faster rated ram. ATI made no changes, its the ram manufactors that did. Reminds me of the ti4200, ti4400 and ti4600 where the only difference was in the faster memory. The core clocks were different by default but it was the same core and you could usually overclock anyway.

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Do you think the faster memory will result in a significant performance boost?

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Originally Posted by Absolute_0

Push, suck, same thing, i'm saying that i'm not convinced that pushing/sucking air through the heatsink is as effective as having the fan right on the heatsink directly over the core.

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In an open air situation (outside a pc case), having a fan directly over the heatsink in the area of the gpu core would offer the best cooling. In a pc case, where airflow may be limited, the idea is to remove the warm air from the core AND to remove it from the case. Without the warm air exiting the case, the whole ambient temp begins to rise, as the air circles around ad infinitum gaining heat from the core, ultimatley leading to a higher gpu temp.

The ATI soloution has been well thought through, the real issue for some is the noise factor.

regards
Raja

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Do you think the faster memory will result in a significant performance boost?

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I agree with Gforce4, don't expect a big jump ..however the GDDR4 might be useful in crossfire here it might have some effect. As I know next to nothing about memory bandwidth limitations on crossfire though this is just a hunch. Maybe a crossfire person can tell use what they think on memory bandwidth for these cards ?

Regards

Andy

Better memory bandwidth will have a big effect on Crossfire.

They have also made some changes to the core. Atleast thats what I've heard. If they are true all overclockers will be happy I'm sure :)

I would like to know, if the Danger Den Tyee - X1900 fits on the x1950...
Possible ? :shrug:

nice avatar mango31, pretty cool watching the sparks fly from that powered up drive.

$450 is sweet... I`m looking forward to a £400 UK launch price :rolleyes: *imagine a crying face here*

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Better memory bandwidth will have a big effect on Crossfire.

They have also made some changes to the core. Atleast thats what I've heard. If they are true all overclockers will be happy I'm sure :)

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If anyone missed that :)

perkam

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If anyone missed that :)

perkam

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Better ask HKEPC where the :banana::banana::banana::banana: are tests?! :mad:

Price is a bit dissapointing, considering that you can get a 7950GX2 for $469 after $30 Rebate.

But other prices have gone down, managed to get a new x1900xtx for $330 shipped yay :D

Can't wait for the tests!
Beautiful VGA!:woot:

I imagine one of these X1950XTX cards will score about 18K '05. Thats of course with a good CPU/RAM.

woah, a bit high don't you think? I would say about 13.5-14k stock. Current stocks do about 12-12.5k don't they? I don't think its going to be as much of a boost over the current cards despite what people are hoping.

@ stock ~7%
but we dont care about stock :D

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Better ask HKEPC where the :banana::banana::banana::banana: are tests?! :mad:

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They are under NDA, we will have to wait until the end of the month.

New cooler + DDR4 memory + releasing soon........this may just be my entry into Crossfire :)

Can't wait for benches :)

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I would like to know, if the Danger Den Tyee - X1900 fits on the x1950...
Possible ? :shrug:

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Prolly yes. They didn't change it from X1800 to X1900 so why do it now? Unless the new chips are in a different shape/size and your block wouldn't cover them (if it's a fullcover). We'll see by the end of the month for sure though :)

Course if you ask dangerden I'm sure they'll re-tool your block for a little cost.

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Originally Posted by Kinc

They are under NDA, we will have to wait until the end of the month.

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Ok. Thanx Kinc :toast:

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Originally Posted by Kinc

They are under NDA, we will have to wait until the end of the month.

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We will have bought them by then though :p:

Now ATI's already existent ring-bus memory controllers can really stretch their legs with GDDR4. I like how they put copper on everything, even the voltage regulators have a copper heatsink now instead of the red alum.

The Inquierer said that it would compete nicely with a 7950GX2, but we know how reliable they are. In any case, I think they are a little late in launching these as I can wait for R600 to arrive ~4 months after the X1900 refreshes hit. (unless they're planning to delay R600 :( )

X1950XTX　650MHz/2000MHz 512 MB 0.85ns 512bit GDDR4
R580+ core

X1950PRO　600MHz/1400MHz 256 MB 1.2ns 256bit GDDR3
R570 core

X1950XTX $449
X1950PRO $199

2006.8.23 release


anyone have more info about the X1950 PRO ??

the card will be faster than the X1800GTO for sure

how about comparing with X1800XL and 1900GT ??

Specs look right but the X1950 Pro isn't supposedly to become available until October and the price isn't yet confirmed. It's supposed to be somewhere around $199-249 though.

It's also a 12 pipe, 36 shader card, just like the X1900GT it's supposed to replace but it's clocked quite a bit higher.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3727
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2...r_supplied.png

unbelievable ...

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yea heatpipes on ati :D

new cooler looks very good i like it :D

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its not a new cooler, ati just took the HIS iceq3 cooler and made it out of red, un-uv reactive plastic

how relieble are the test?

does quad sli work som much better then single 7950gx2?

OMG! That's just crazy awesome. Is that on STOCK clocks? Can't freaken wait.

Well the results are ok for a crossfire X1950XTX that may cost double than a 7950GX2....
As for the quad 7950GX2 well for the moment not many games know how to handle 4GPU's because of the stupid DX9 that dosen't allow 4 way AFR + the drivers that are a wreck wright know....who knows, maybe whith the next quad optimized driver nvidia will get it right...
Until then they deserve some :slapass: for not allowing users tu utilize at least 60-70% of a 1300$ quad system :fact:

P.S I'm waiting eagearly to see how well those GDDR4 chips will OC until then X1950XTX will remain a pretty cooler that dosen't deserve an upgrade from X1900XTX ;)

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Well the results are ok for a crossfire X1950XTX that may cost double than a 7950GX2....
As for the quad 7950GX2 well for the moment not many games know how to handle 4GPU's because of the stupid DX9 that dosen't allow 4 way AFR + the drivers that are a wreck wright know....who knows, maybe whith the next quad optimized driver nvidia will get it right...
Until then they deserve some :slapass: for not allowing users tu utilize at least 60-70% of a 1300$ quad system :fact:

P.S I'm waiting eagearly to see how well those GDDR4 chips will OC until then X1950XTX will remain a pretty cooler that dosen't deserve an upgrade from X1900XTX ;)

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