p5wdh vs d975xbx vs dq6 32M super comparison

those mobos are stock. no vmod at all

lets some pictures of mobos


DQ6
http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0074.JPG

DQ6 PIC NO2

DQ6 PIC NO3

DQ6 PIC NO4



D975XBX
http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/304/IMG_0086.JPG

D975XBX PIC NO2

D975XBX PIC NO3

D975XBX PIC NO4



P5WDH
http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/p5wdh/IMG_0096.JPG

P5WDH PIC NO2

P5WDH PIC NO3



1ST, P5WDH... BOOT UP AT FSB434.
E6600 1.57v
800 2GBHZ 2.4v
0088 bios
MCH 1.6v
FSB 1.2v

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/p5wdh/IMG_0118.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/p5wdh/IMG_0114.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/p5wdh/IMG_0123.JPG



2nd, DQ6... MAX BOOT UP AT FSB400~409.
E6600 1.57v
800 2GBHZ 2.35v
F2 bios
MCH 1.2v (NORMAL)
FSB 1v (NORMAL)

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0129.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0124.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0126.JPG


using giga's software to reach 434, it will not boot from bios with FSB over 405 (in my case, i did 416 boot up once but it is not easy, only 400 is ok)
http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0127.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0128.JPG


*****UPDATE*****
with V-MCH +0.2v, now i can boot up at FSB 433.... however, once turn off the power it will not boot up again!!
the result with FSB 433 and 1:1 same as P5WDH 3-4-3.
32M is MUCH slower!

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0135.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0137.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/mobo/dq6/IMG_0138.JPG


still testing 304 mobo


P5WDG
pro: :up:
1. High FSB boot up! no one is going to use soft FSB set everyday!
2. easy recovery if fail to post, 2nd post will use default setting and previous bios options saved
3. CF
con: :nono:
1. High FSB over 350 can't use DDR2 1000+ option. some ram's hidding timing are not currect and result is fail to post
2. 975 MCH requires higher voltage

DQ6
pro: :up:
1. a lot of bios options and fsb up to 600, vcore, vdimm
2. MCH for 965 is better than 975, with normal 1.2v i can boot up to 400
con: :nono:
1. memory divider has same problem with 975, with high FSB can use DDR2 1000+ option... some hideing timing is not currect
2. too many bios options are NOT working, like say 1.6v+ vcore just won't boot!!!!!!
3. very bad bad bad bios design! you can't change all setting at once, you need to change one option, save, boot up ,change one option, save, boot up again and repeating until everything is done.... this is soooooo gay
4. no program available for soft ram timing adjust
5. not support 7950, CF. nor SLi
6. back plat is not good if you wanna use TQ120!!!!!!
7. too many... not worse to buy one....

*forum. :p

Thanks for this man, subscribed for sure, will be nice. Too bad no DFI though.

If you want, PM me, I'll delete this post (if you want a straight run).

ops.... muhahhahahaah ok forum

i wish this existed yesterday but i just hope it comes out in my (asus's) favor

Looking forward to this Denny.:D

Great! Looking especially for the DQ6................can't wait for results!

Just in time before new board.

nice !!! subscribed

Ditto...subscribed...This would be very interesting to know the outcome...

*****updated DQ6, please check 1st post*****

Judging by the timings, you were running the Asus board 1:1. But the Gigabyte board was at 4:5. Wouldn't it be better to test both with same ratio.

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Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Judging by the timings, you were running the Asus board 1:1. But the Gigabyte board was at 4:5. Wouldn't it be better to test both with same ratio.

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can't boot

i am using bootable seting 1st!

Okay, that's what I thought. So the Gigabyte board won't boot at 434 1:1. Nice memory speed on the DQ6. But it's still more than 30 seconds slower in 32M.

Thanks for doing the comparison test. I'm sure it will help members.

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Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Okay, that's what I thought. So the Gigabyte board won't boot at 434 1:1. Nice memory speed on the DQ6. But it's still more than 30 seconds slower in 32M.

Thanks for doing the comparison test. I'm sure it will help members.

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434 1:1 won't boot
anything over 400 basically no boot at all

btw i use AUTO timing for DQ6, if i mannally set in to 4-4-3 or 4-4-4 it just no boot at all

if p5wdh with 4:5 won't boot...

every mobo has its weak part......

Did you gain anything on lapping the CPU?

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Originally Posted by guess2098

434 1:1 won't boot
anything over 400 basically no boot at all

btw i use AUTO timing for DQ6, if i mannally set in to 4-4-3 or 4-4-4 it just no boot at all

if p5wdh with 4:5 won't boot...

every mobo has its weak part......

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I can run P5W DH at 4:5 with memory up to around 480, but that's it. I think it needs voltage mod to run higher at 4:5.

Thanks again for the info.

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Originally Posted by sierra_bound

I can run P5W DH at 4:5 with memory up to around 480, but that's it. I think it needs voltage mod to run higher at 4:5.

Thanks again for the info.

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yeah! see high FSB over 1000+ will not boot
basically is the timing problem, becasue with low FSB such as 333 with DDR2 1066 just no problem at all...

If they could allow higher vdimm and most of all, higher fsb from the bios on the bad axe !

4 bad axe I tested all did 3.95ghz 32m (stock board except short oc debug)

Is it possible for you to monitor your temp with the bad axe using coretemp during 32m ?

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Originally Posted by Supertim0r

If they could allow higher vdimm and most of all, higher fsb from the bios on the bad axe !

4 bad axe I tested all did 3.95ghz 32m (stock board except short oc debug)

Is it possible for you to monitor your temp with the bad axe using coretemp during 32m ?

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tomorrow i am going to post the 304.. just too laze today...

304 can't do over DDR2 1000 to boot... same problem with p5wdh.....
basically is the timing clock delay vs FSB

with the hidding timing, it can do 333 or 350 with DDR2 1000+ but if over this... damn the delay is too short and mobo just no post!
that is why many ppl use 304 1066 and can not use 4:5 over DDR2 1000, but 499 is 32M stable

just wanna clear up, DQ6 can do 1:1 CL3 with 400 boot up but it can't reach 434 CL3-4-3 stable pass 32M
some timing need to adjust but there is no program to do so.
from 400 to 434 soft oc you need to adjust the ram timing for sure
but in this case I can't do it, that is why i use 4:5 instead of 1:1

awesome comparisons, thanks for the results guess!

awesome man, finally we can have a clear idea on what we wanna buy!

Marco

I'd prefer a comparison at lower speed but same setup than this.Every mobo has different results,even these from the same company/model.This is just my opinion..of course thanks a lot for the results!;)

Cool, Thanks a lot for the comparisons!

I have a DQ6 waiting for its conroe chip to be fired up!

that DQ6 sounds just as wacky as my P5W DH alot of the same issues you had are the same ones i have

can NOT manually set SPD timings
can boot at 400+ FSB with AUTO MCH
can NOT boot at over 410FSB nothing that i do makes it work. 1:1 or 4:5 or any ratio... nothing works.

there was some other ones ..but anyways.

wow sounds like their DS3 board is a real killer compared to the DQ6

thx denny... i'm just about to buy a DQ6... :D
read through ur thread... I gave up gigabyte atm.
but asus gonna hurry up update p5w's bios.
fsb>350 cannot choose ddr1xxx that's really sux :(

Gigabyte board looks like it has lots of problems. Even it there will be bios fix it will prbably not fix everything and knowing gigabyte, gigabyte will try make board running stable rather than overclock better. Gigabyte's DS3 is unkown becasue the only high overclocking results with it are on 2mb cpu. As goes for asus I don't care if it can not run memory at higher speed than 1000, pricy ram.

Denny,
For the gigabyte
try to stay clear of raising FSB voltages and if only minimally - in most cases and mobos it actually only hurts. ( same is true for most 975X )
Hit F1+CTRL for advanced options on the Gigabyte for memory in bios.
Boot @ 440 no problem for me so far - after raising MCH voltage. WIth auto MCH 408mhz FSB just like you. Can't tell what the max FSB is yet due to CPU not FSB ....

Would be awesome to see comparison with 1:1 in all settings between the boards. AFAIK 3D performance is better on 965

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Originally Posted by mikeguava

Denny,
For the gigabyte
try to stay clear of raising FSB voltages and if only minimally - in most cases and mobos it actually only hurts. ( same is true for most 975X )
Hit F1+CTRL for advanced options on the Gigabyte for memory in bios.
Boot @ 440 no problem for me so far - after raising MCH voltage. WIth auto MCH 408mhz FSB just like you. Can't tell what the max FSB is yet due to CPU not FSB ....

Would be awesome to see comparison with 1:1 in all settings between the boards. AFAIK 3D performance is better on 965

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yeah i did use F1+ ctrl but it just gay if i add too much v-mch there
how much did you use for vmch, let me know so maybe i can try it out
3D is better on 965?
can't even do 7950 man.....

DQ6 to me is just P.O.S..... it is the 1st mobo i have and can't adjust all the bios option all at once.... it is pain in the a$$ ..

so p5w dh is the board to get even if you dont factor in the crossfire support(although to me thats a huge plus)
why does the gigabyte board have to pci-e slots but not support crossfire and a few other boards aswell

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Originally Posted by guess2098

yeah i did use F1+ ctrl but it just gay if i add too much v-mch there
how much did you use for vmch, let me know so maybe i can try it out
3D is better on 965?
can't even do 7950 man.....

DQ6 to me is just P.O.S..... it is the 1st mobo i have and can't adjust all the bios option all at once.... it is pain in the a$$ ..

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Was just gonna ask you on 7950GX2 - looks like mine is running on only 1 GPU...and according to CPUz only 8X PCI-E - not sure to trust CPUz...

I did + 0.6V MCh for 440 FSB FSB termination +0.01V

Not sure about memory timings yet either - maybe there is a new bios somewhere...would be nice

Now thats a great breakdown! Cmon RD600! Its looking maybe the Nvidia 590 may become an option over the 965

if MCH + 0.5V I need FSB overvoltage= Normal

7950GX2 switches PCI-E to 8X ( checked with other card - goes normal to 16X )

Droop is very good so far on Cedar Mill 661 ( idle = 1.264 100% load = 1.648 )

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Originally Posted by mikeguava

if MCH + 0.5V I need FSB overvoltage= Normal

7950GX2 switches PCI-E to 8X ( checked with other card - goes normal to 16X )

Droop is very good so far on Cedar Mill 661 ( idle = 1.264 100% load = 1.648 )

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965 is not support 7950 correctly.... just like you said, one 1/2 the card working lol

How is the Bad Axe test going?

***DQ6 update again please check the 1st post***

and for sure only 1/2 the 7950 is working. needs nvidia or giga's new driver/ bios support! 7950GX2 has new name so call 3975GX1 XD

Wow, a one minute difference in 32M between Asus and Gigabyte boards at same speed and ratio. Very weird. I'm wondering if the Gigabyte board is really running 1:1.

i'll do the same test tomorow when i receive my p5w dh
asus vs intel

nice work guess

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Originally Posted by Lestat

that DQ6 sounds just as wacky as my P5W DH alot of the same issues you had are the same ones i have

can NOT manually set SPD timings
can boot at 400+ FSB with AUTO MCH
can NOT boot at over 410FSB nothing that i do makes it work. 1:1 or 4:5 or any ratio... nothing works.

there was some other ones ..but anyways.

wow sounds like their DS3 board is a real killer compared to the DQ6

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Have you tried that Spirit II chipset cooler on NB (or whatever it's called) that Coolaler uses? Claims it works small miracles for FSB.

On second thought he might use it on Bad Axe not P5. Worth a look.

Does the 965P-DQ6 support a retail (B2 stepping) Conroe out of the box?, does F2 bios come with retail boards?

It's interesting your PCB revision for the DQ6 is 1.00, whereas the Gigabyte website lists PCB 1.01?

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Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Wow, a one minute difference in 32M between Asus and Gigabyte boards at same speed and ratio. Very weird. I'm wondering if the Gigabyte board is really running 1:1.

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Personally at this stage i don't think numbers mean much, the bios for the DQ6 is only F2 and will mature over the couple of months.

The BIOS isn't the issue. The Gigabyte board runs a lot slower. A BIOS update isn't going to fix that. Most of the Conroe boards are fairly new, so they all have immature BIOS's.

i don't think bios update can improve about 1 min 32M time....

So it's related to the 965 chipset as opposed the 975?...perhaps the C-2 stepping of the 965 will help.

simply the question of these weeks

965 vs. 975

and there is no coherency ... nowhere

sometimes you see interesting numbers (more than 15 % better) with the 965 ( see ABIT 9pro test @ anand) in real world applications ...

sometimes the 965 gets smashed totally by the 975.

so these results are really interesting for a lot of people who don`t want to be the first settlers who get the first arrows

but sadly there is no consistency in most of these tests


what we urgently need are tests with comparable !!!! conditions .. in the forecoming weeks

same cpu ..same ram...same timings ..same apps.. and bios out of the box ....

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Originally Posted by mine

simply the question of these weeks

965 vs. 975

and there is no coherency ... nowhere

sometimes you see interesting numbers (more than 15 % better) with the 965 ( see ABIT 9pro test @ anand) in real world applications ...

sometimes the 965 gets smashed totally by the 975.

so these results are really interesting for a lot of people who don`t want to be the first settlers who get the first arrows

but sadly there is no consistency in most of these tests


what we urgently need are tests with comparable !!!! conditions .. in the forecoming weeks

same cpu ..same ram...same timings ..same apps.. and bios out of the box ....

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975 vs 965 is hard.

965 will give you higher FSB

975 lets you do crossfire, etc.


Better video, or better overclock support. lol

it is like the older intel 865 chipset versus the 875 chipset...asus made the 865 with so called inferior 875 chipsets...bios trickery and flashing the boot block with another board bios got the asus 865 board to be very close to what the 875 was out of the box!

probably intel learned from that experience...

it comes down what you really want from a board...if you are a hard overclocker, want SLI and want the max out of your cpu, stay with a 975 board

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Originally Posted by guess2098

i don't think bios update can improve about 1 min 32M time....

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cpuz detect wrong cl timing, really cl is 5.
if you downclock P5WDH to 3600 - 400fsb with 5-5-5, result will be as ga @ 400fsb 5-5-5 or default timings.
plz try it