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This is killing me. I can go down the street and buy an xp3000+ right now. But I haven't seen anybody run one of these chips on a prometia or something similar, and I don't want to get one only to find that it won't clock any better than my 2500+. Has anyone used one of these chips, or seen a review where someone put one on a prommy?
Know a certain someone with Barton 2800 but sounds like he is
having probs with stability, he did say he got into windows @ 2625 prommie cooled but sounds like it went belly up quick.
I wish I had one, for some reason I'm thinking 3000Mhz stable with my setup :DQuote:
Originally posted by shortcircuit
This is killing me. I can go down the street and buy an xp3000+ right now. But I haven't seen anybody run one of these chips on a prometia or something similar, and I don't want to get one only to find that it won't clock any better than my 2500+. Has anyone used one of these chips, or seen a review where someone put one on a prommy?
OPP
OPP that's what I'm thinking too. In general it seems that with supercooling you can get the mhz up to the PR-rated speed that amd uses. My xp2000's did 2000, xp2400's did around 2450, xp2700 did 2800, and my barton-2500 does 2500. Bowman has his barton-2800 up around 2800mhz. So surely an XP3000 should do 3ghz.... right??
OK, this shop is open for another hour. If traffic isn't bad I should have one tonight. (thinking to myself, man, I have a serious problem... :D )
i dont think the xp3000 will run any faster.:(
amd did not sperate the batches like before.the xp2800 and xp3000 are only 83 mhz between the two my friends.
so they had no need to seperate out the yields of batches.
i am sure the xp2500's were from the lower yielding batches.
like i said 83mhz is nothing.and at this moment 3.0g isnt going to happen with only 2.0volts. these chips do not like voltage at all.
but hey i hope i am wrong.i would like to see 3.0 on a barton.:D
but i am working on a artical now with someone to actually show in benches the differances of performance in the two.but to be honest at this moment i think the barton that i have even running right now at 2.74g stable is no match for my xp2600tbred @2.83g
the test will using a tbred and my barton running at 215x12.5 same boards and memory timing and brands.well will see but i am not sure the barton will show the extra 256k being worth the effort.:)
Well, I got it.
AXDA3000KV4D
AQUCA0306TPAW
I'm gonna run it in overnight aircooled on my NF7-S before trying it in the 8rda+/prometia.
:toast: well you are them man...good luck ....let us know how it does on air:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by shortcircuit
Well, I got it.
AXDA3000KV4D
AQUCA0306TPAW
I'm gonna run it in overnight aircooled on my NF7-S before trying it in the 8rda+/prometia.
bling bling
cool
Looking forward to seeing that 3000 in action :cool: Have my 2800+ pretty stable at 12.5X225 - 2800Mhz with 2.075v. I ran a bunch of Benchies and found clock for clock the barton is on average 3% faster than the Tbred.
The XP3000+ seems stable at 2.4ghz on air. This is at 1.8v vcore using an slk-600 heatsink with a 60mm delta fan (don't remember the part number but it's a finger chomper). The slk-600 is way too small for this chip... and I didn't expect to go much faster than 2.4ghz with this hsf. When I first got my xp2700+ I had trouble breaking even 2.2ghz with this setup. My cpu temp in MBM5 is 56c now. So I still have high hopes for the prometia...
good you got a good one....mine ran 2.4 on air too.. :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by shortcircuit
The XP3000+ seems stable at 2.4ghz on air. This is at 1.8v vcore using an slk-600 heatsink with a 60mm delta fan (don't remember the part number but it's a finger chomper). The slk-600 is way too small for this chip... and I didn't expect to go much faster than 2.4ghz with this hsf. When I first got my xp2700+ I had trouble breaking even 2.2ghz with this setup. My cpu temp in MBM5 is 56c now. So I still have high hopes for the prometia...
it should go right to at least 2.6 with your prometia.
good luck:D
Hahaha, I love it. I've been wrestling myself today again, about wether I actually NEED a Barton or not. :rolleyes: :DQuote:
Originally posted by shortcircuit
OK, this shop is open for another hour. If traffic isn't bad I should have one tonight. (thinking to myself, man, I have a serious problem... :D )
lol how many computer parts do we buy that we actually need huh!? :D
Well I got the chance to test a 3000 Barton for about an hour today, and ran it with a SLK800 and 43CFM fan on a Magic Pro NF2 mobo. Using 1.87Vcore I managed 13.5x187(2525MHZ). Since this was not my chip I could not do the L3 mod for higher FSB, hence the raised multiplier.
Based on this brief test I would say OPP is not far off the mark with his estimate of 3G.
DDTUNG:cool:
here is a link with some people's posted max speeds on the barton 2800 and 3000 almost 3.2 Ghz for some.
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/Barton/
my bad 3.12 not 3.2 big difference
would be nice if it was usable.but LN and DRY ICE do not count to me.but i did notice the high voltage on a couple of 2.26v vore...if i could get my core to take that voltage i would be there too..
it's the chip not taking over 2.0 volts that kills most of us on air,water,or on a prometia style system..
i havent tried to go past 2.8 in the last coulpe of days.i have been too busy.but i think in a few weeks after the yields pic up maybe at the end of march we will start to see some close to 3.0g speeds on a prometia.
Here is a pic of the core. I'm at work now, will post more results later tonight.
http://frodobunny.net/pic2.jpg
Good thinking, just put up that stuff on the 26th ;) Also if you guys haven't seen, new #1 AMD oc on the Tbred page on vr-zone... 3.382ghz! And it's a 2100+!!!Quote:
Originally posted by guelahpapyrus69
here is a link with some people's posted max speeds on the barton 2800 and 3000 almost 3.2 Ghz for some.
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/Barton/
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/TBred/
I believe the correct reaction would be "uNF!"Quote:
Originally posted by shortcircuit
Here is a pic of the core. I'm at work now, will post more results later tonight.
http://frodobunny.net/pic2.jpg
:banana: shortcircuit:banana:
man i hope you got one that like's voltage.just imagine if the core likes over 2.0v you will have one awsome chip my friend..
that has been the only fault i see with the chip as of now.
keep us posted,:D
Save the $200. My 2800+ Barton is about on par with these specs above.Quote:
Originally posted by DDTUNG
Well I got the chance to test a 3000 Barton for about an hour today, and ran it with a SLK800 and 43CFM fan on a Magic Pro NF2 mobo. Using 1.87Vcore I managed 13.5x187(2525MHZ). Since this was not my chip I could not do the L3 mod for higher FSB, hence the raised multiplier.
Based on this brief test I would say OPP is not far off the mark with his estimate of 3G.
DDTUNG:cool:
Not so sure about that. Here's my 2800..Quote:
Originally posted by xgman
Save the $200. My 2800+ Barton is about on par with these specs above.
http://caprid.homestead.com/files/cpuidB12.5X232.JPG
It's a week 04, that 3000 is a week 06. If they are anything like the first Tbred 'B's you should get a little more out of the second batch, plus the extra 83Mhz default on the chip, might just be enough to boost it to 3ghz? Plus the fact that it has a 13X default multiplier, you won't have to hack on the chip to use the multiplier function in the BIOS.
VERY IMPRESSIVE:D
NICE maybe the newones can handle to voltage better look like your runs fine @2.10 .
i havent tried any more on mine latley but i couldnt get mine to even startup at that core v.
Yes that may be true, but a $200 upgrade value? Seems a bit overpriced for such a little gain.Quote:
Originally posted by Caprid
Not so sure about that. Here's my 2800..
http://caprid.homestead.com/files/cpuidB12.5X232.JPG
It's a week 04, that 3000 is a week 06. If they are anything like the first Tbred 'B's you should get a little more out of the second batch, plus the extra 83Mhz default on the chip, might just be enough to boost it to 3ghz? Plus the fact that it has a 13X default multiplier, you won't have to hack on the chip to use the multiplier function in the BIOS.
Well I've got a dead 8rda+ on my hands so no benchies with the xp3000+ tonight. :( I broke down and put the 3000+ on the 8rda/prometia last night. It started acting weird after a few minutes, like locking up in the bios and stuff. So I just shut it down and went to sleep. Booted it up after work and everything was fine, I was looping prime95 at 2450 using default voltage. Then I bumped it up to 2600/1.725v, let prime95 loop a few times, then went out to get something to eat. Came home and prime95 was locked up. No big deal, reboot... FF... lots and lots of FF. So then on a hunch I felt underneath the northbridge (I'm using h2o and an 85w tec). Lots and lots of water. I've been running this setup for a few months and checked many times for condensation on the back of the mobo, never had an issue. I really should have sealed it up anyways... Maybe it will come back from the dead if I let it sit for a few days.
I've barred myself from buying any more computer parts for a while after this last stint so I'll have to make due with one of my other boards (a7n8x,nf7-s,epox 8k5a2+)...
Oh...Poor, poor you...i'd become almost suicidle if i only had those 3 boards to choose from...just lying aroundQuote:
so I'll have to make due with one of my other boards (a7n8x,nf7-s,epox 8k5a2+)...
*coming from someone with a KT7A*:rolleyes:
i just receive my prometeia :)
how i do to get the high multiplier unlock (13 and more)
i want to unlock it before i put it in the prometeia!!!
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On the 8rda+ and nf7-s I've used 10.5x - 15x with no problems (no reason to try the others.) Only the A7N8X gives me trouble. Should be fine on your 8rda+.
yeah but you have a 3000+....i have a 2800+...i think it's the same method as 2600+ with 333fsb....but i don't know this method....and i want at least the multiplier 13..
sorry for my english...i live in quebec
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go herexp2800barton 13x
thx bowman!
well my 8rda+ is not dead after all, but it does suck ass with barton processors so I've reverted back to a good 'ol epox 8k5a2+.
I just started messing around with the xp3000+ in the 8k5a2+ using my prometia.... like 20 minutes ago....
http://frodobunny.net/screenshots/xp3000_2900.jpg
... and there is plenty more where that came from! No voltage problems or anything. My only issue might be the multiplier. I'm going to try setting it to 7x and hope it gives me 15x, but I might have to pull everything apart and cut a bridge or two to be able to run 2.8ghz+ stable.
so the epox is the problem......well i could try mine in my abit at7max2 but i like the bandwith i get from the epox.hummmm there has to be something on the epox holding them back.
shortcircuit good going buddy.best of luck with her..:D
Yup, on the 8rda+ I could barely hit 2.6ghz with 1.75v - 1.80v vcore. Now it's rock solid at 2.8ghz using 2.0v. Bootable and totally usable at 2.9ghz 2.1v. At that speed, after a few prime95 tests the screen blanks out. The mobo I'm using now is straight out of one of my folding@home rigs so there is no extra cooling at all besides some AS3 on the NB. I'm going to try putting heatsinks on the voltage regulator and ramsinks like I did on my 8rda+.
This chip runs pretty sweet considering I only have a few hours of use on it so far. 2.9ghz stable seems really possible. Just not on an NF2 based board I'm afraid... :rolleyes:
By the way the 15x multiplier is working by setting the bios to 7x.
here's a screenie at 2.8ghz, rock solid... gonna run her overnight and all day tomorrow at this speed. The 12V output on my PSU is getting scary... I gotta turn it down a bit, maybe tomorrow.
http://frodobunny.net/screenshots/xp...00_prime95.jpg
shortcircuit is the power suppy the same one you were using on the 8rda ??.because i cannt keep the 12v side hot enough on mine.mine will run 11.88 max.this is on a molex connector.with a antec 550 true power.my epox likes to pull the 12v side down.
No it's a different PSU.
Right now I'm using a super flower 500w psu. It's a big triple-fan psu sold under a lot of different companies names. It has adjustable pot's inside.
On the 8rda+ I was using an enermax 431w initially and later on an enermax 550w. I never had problems with my 12v rail using the 8rda+. The enermax 550w psu is really sweet. Normally I use two psu's for my benching rig but with the 550w I was using one psu for the whole machine and my 12v rail was reading around 12.5v.
yes i normally run 2 power supplies to but i have one right now running the condensor fans .when you ran 2 power supplies have you tried connecting the radeonr9700 to a supply seperate from the main motherboard power suppy?
reason i ask my raddy has been modded with 2 molex connectors to help on power feed.this raised my core clock from 459mhz to 489mhz.but i was still running though one power supply.
I was using the second power supply for the radeon, 85w tec on the northbridge, fans and hard drives. That way the cpu/mobo gets it's own power supply. I've fried a couple power supplies lately and don't want to fry a nice one by overloading it.
Prime95 barfed a minute ago after looping for well over an hour. I bumped it up to 2.05v and I have my fingers crossed :)
yea prime would do that to me at the 2 1/2 hour mark most times.when i was running my xp2600 @2834 but ran rock solid everywhere else.
This XP3000+ amazes me....
http://frodobunny.net/screenshots/xp3000_3050.jpg
That's at 2.2v vcore. It's only a screenshot, but still....
Bam, a Barton that loves volts and speed. Bling Bling.
Congrats on 3g:toast:
I think that all bartons like voltage just as much as the t-bred's do. But they consume a lot more power, which ends up exceeding the power output capabilities of today's motherboards at high voltage/high mhz. That's my theory.
My system ran prime95 overnight and all day at 2.8ghz, 2.05v (2.08v in mbm5). Now I am working on 2.85ghz. At 2.05v prime95 would crash right away. At 2.1v it made it as far as the second test. And at 2.15v it's up to the tenth test so far. :D
I don't know, the difference between the Barton 2800+ behavior re: Barton voltage behavior on my 8rda+ vs my NF7-S v1.2 seems pretty close even though the Abit has the extra 12v plug.
well i have been saying this too.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by shortcircuit
I think that all bartons like voltage just as much as the t-bred's do. But they consume a lot more power, which ends up exceeding the power output capabilities of today's motherboards at high voltage/high mhz. That's my theory.
My system ran prime95 overnight and all day at 2.8ghz, 2.05v (2.08v in mbm5). Now I am working on 2.85ghz. At 2.05v prime95 would crash right away. At 2.1v it made it as far as the second test. And at 2.15v it's up to the tenth test so far. :D
i do agree with you on that.it seams the mosets cant push that much power on my 8rda.i am trying to find a work around for the 8rda.but none as of yet.i have been probing the mofsets looking for one that is low in input voltage..this should lead me to the weak link.but as of now no luck.
just would nice to see if my barton is just like yours.i am seriously thinking of trying a abit board.but i dont want to untill i am sure they can handle the amps too.the new 8rga with the extra power connector might can i just dont like the nv video option
Hiyas,
I got a Barton myself and can`t also push it over 2712 Mhz stable on a 8RDA+. I also think it´s the 8RDA+ that can`t handle higher clocks. My Prommy is also getting very high temps at evaporator on this clock. I have -23 °C on the Evapo. at full load.
On a T-Bred @ 2,9 Ghz i had just 24 °C ... so the Barton is consuming alot more power.
Well my Abit will arive tomorrow ( i hope so ) and it has a extra connector for the 12V. I will keep you informed if higher clocks are possible or not.
cyas
Wow, those are some high temps!! The highest I have ever seen my prometia go is -25c. It's been running folding@home for approx 24hrs now at 2866mhz, 2.22v vcore, and the temp is -26c.
I'm interested to hear how the barton runs in an nf7-s v1.2. I had a v1.1 but killed it rather quickly. Which barton chip do you have? Stepping?
I'm working on a volt-mod for one of my epox 8k5a2+ boards so that I can go above 2.2v :) It has the same IRU3055 voltage regulator as the 8rda+. I already cut pin 16 (removing overcurrent protection) and the board still works. I need just a little more voltage to get 2.9ghz stable.
Well i have a special Barton ;)
It is a Mobile Barton 1867 Mhz @ 1,45V standard vcore.
So i hoped to push him @ 3 Gig, but nada so far.
It is prime stable till 2200 MHz @ 1,45 Vcore but then i need loads of Vcore to push him higher.
Well, my abit will be here tomorrow, just got the info, hope this will make it better.
Here's my question...
With a stepping named "AQUCA", what manufacturing process do the chips use?
Do they have nine layers like T-Bred B's, or eight like T-Bred A's?
Sup MACMAC:)
A stands for .13 process, B would stand for .09, i guess.
Well I got my 2800+ today.. 0306 week.
I'm gonna crank up the voltage to 2.12, possibly a bit higher if my mobo lets me--but I think the cut off is 2.12v.
So far @ 2.0v, with not so great cooling, a 226w pelt and 5C water, I got 2600mhz screenshotable, 2572mhz very stable. CPU temps were 10-13C idle, 15-17C load (as time increased and ice melted :P). With a healthy dose of voltage and some supercold temps, I think I've got a good proc ;) If it's handling 2.0v with bad temps, I think it should be ok @ higher voltage and much colder temps.... eh?
I'll save the screenshots for now, will post up more when I've got more info!