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Below are pictures of an Intel Badaxe motherboard running a Conroe processor that has a 3 16x PCIe slot configuration. There are three X1900 XT video cards installed. Two are doing CrossFire graphics and the third X1900 XT is being used at the physics processor.
I do not believe that's what we had in mind when we thought physics for the third card.
Perkam
The 3rd X1900 is just for show. We will be able to run physics with a X1300 or X1600 just fine.
I'm sure that that rig is quite a screamer. :)
lol
imagine a heavily overvolted and overclocked smithfield and 3 X1900XT working @ 1.575v 7XX/8XX
1kw psu wont be enough?
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ATI claims that their CrossFire configuration has been specifically optimized for Intel’s Core 2 Duo processor and we got to see it in action. The third element that finishes the Boundless Gaming triangle is actually another Radeon X1600 or better being utilized as a physics processor or PPU. ATI’s physics will have support for Havok FX as well as asymmetrical configurations meaning gamers can delivery physics in a 1+1 and a 2 +1 Crossfire configuration.
I need to read first :)
I am very impressed with the options, hopefully it performs well, I dont have any doubts though.
Looks like X1600 Pros are $97+ while the XTs are $142+, not bad
I guess the story about Ati asking for 3 PCie is true
i didnt like the idea of buying 2 cards now 3 :(
plus now you'll have to pay premium for psu and mobo
3x X1900XTX at least 36-45A needed in +12v rails excluding the cpu required amps! :eek:
maybe would be better to have a dual socket conroe board where one conroe cpu is phsyic processor ? cheaper and less power draw :)
Why cant they just put a physics on the same PCB?
Article demo's the 2.1 setup with CF and Physics, but they did also say you can 1.1 it so if you've already got a X1900 card, all you need is at least a X1600 to take advantage of it!
Plus the X1600 Pro is well over half the price and the XT is only a little more and still half the price. Or for the same money you could get a X1800XL. Plus you're getting 256mb memory with them instead of the measly 128mb with the Aegia.
You don't *have* to buy 3 cards - only if you want the best.
I can barely imagine how many watts that needs
So where exactly do I put my sound card? Onboard? Lol. A low-end video card (maybe with passive cooling) that not only takes care of the physics but allows for better air flow to the top video card would be nice. At a sub $100 price point I can see more people adopting the cards for games in the future. Realistically I don't see ATI worrying too much about the lack of accessibility to PCI slots since most of their users will still be using a single video card and that won't be an issue.
Ignore me, I didn't read the whole thread, sorry :p:
add the article about next gen vgas (dx10.0 ready) that consume a minium of 130w up to 300w, and put 3 you'll need a freaking nuclear reactor to feed them
here is the link about power compsuntion on dx10 cards:
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2770
I agree, but what I don't see very clear is that in a pc we have so many slots using for a pc and then the consumption wwww ufffff.
Anyone else thinks this idea SUCKS? Where will I put my sound card? Where will I put my wireless card? SCSI card? ANYTHING PCI? :mad:
Can you think of any other solution ? I cant.
And i really wanna use 1 PCI for sound.
You have the whole reason OmegaMerc; it doesn't rot to place the things, but what I see, is we will already have to sell things for that inside little all they manufactured it to small pcix.
We will already see.
Greetings luf1c3r
It gets out of control, onboard is never as good as the slotted stuff unfortunantly, so you sacrifice other aspects of your pc for a priettier image? Look at the pictures on the board, there is no space for a sound blaster or similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
1 X1900xtx is enough for me thanks......
dont need 2 let alone 3, wtf are they thinking?
i have an expensive sound card i want to use, i have a tv card i want to use, where does that go? :slap:
well, if someone has all that rendering firepower its a shame they are going to have crap sound. :fact:
Yeah, I think it is stupid. Gimme an Agiea card any day over this. It's gonna take a lot to convince me that a card designed to do graphics, is better at physics than a card designed to do physics.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaMerc
More single slot solutions needed, not this 3 double slot crap. :P
If 2 of those cards were single slot, you could fit a sound card and something else in there.
Personally, anything setup that won't let me have a sound card is not doable, I'd imagine a LOT of other people are in the same boat.
What I am wondering is this... for a 1 + 1 configuration do you HAVE to have a crossfire chipset/board or can you just use a board that has 2 pcie slots? I am wondering if my Ultra-D can do this with a 1900XTX in one slot and a 1600XT in the other?
^^^ Good question, as I don't plan to upgrade until Conroe AND R600/G80 (well that's what I say now, but in secretly hide myself I'll buy a Conroe rig in July :D)
Only time will tell when UT2007 and Crysis comes out. What's so hard to believe that a GPU can be used as PPU? I mean it's all about calculations, I do think a x1600 does have more processing power than the AGIEA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
If you guys read the other article, the RD600 physics system has 2 x19s and 1 x16. And the x16 is sitting on a riser card running on a x1 PCI-E lane. There are plenty of boards today that has spare PCI-E slots, leaving you room for your PCI sound card and perhaps TV tuner. If you're the kinda guy that needs more than 2 extra PCI slot, I don't think any ATX boards will fit your need if you plan to run multi-gpu.
With 3 x1900, that's probably an overkill for most gameplay since more "objects" in the game will only end up killing performance.
It'd be really damn cool if they can run physics as 1.5 + 0.5 instead of 1+1 or 2+1, so you get some physics with your CF setup and won't lose much fps (or $$$).
And be cheaper in the process (X1600 should be able to kill ageia), the X1600 costs about 100$, the ageia card 200$ and up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
On the other hand, Ageia is the new kid on the block. Ati has been building this stuff for years, their chips may be so much faster that it can outperform even whilst being less efficient. (Kinda like a P4 3.8 ghz beating a A64 2 ghz)
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/ar...ulder_demo.jpg
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/ar...ic_Physics.jpg
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32208
ATI Takes on Physics - Computex Day 1
ATI has let the cat out of the bag this morning in Taiwan when it comes tackling in-game physics. Not surprisingly, they will be teaming with Havok
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/images...fFg4_1_2_l.jpg
im waiting for DFI Infinity RD600 :D
regards
ATI left us saying,
^^ in Quotes but i cant use quotes because it says message need to be more then 3 letters long ?!Quote:
“Expect new Crossfire revisions early next year to overtake SLI. We are not here to play second fiddle.”
For all that are crying about no PCI slot for a sound card. Have you even tried the ATI onboard sound that has a realtek ACL880/ACL882? Its 24bit and blows away other onboard sound setups and even other sound cards. I gave it a try and keeped the sound card out. The ULI sound with the realtek ACL880/882 is just as good too and the realtek ACL800/882 are HD.
i dont know why all u ppl are complaining about sound...i use onboard realtek on my nf4 dfi and i never have a problem with it...i mean come on SOUND ? it doesnt make a HUGE difference imo
as for that 3 card setup + conroe + overclocking on each card + cpu, man thats gonna be some serious wattage, probably gonna need atleast 1kw but i could be wrong
for me, sound and makes a HUGE difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by cMw
The on-board audio will use more CPU performance than a X-fi or X-plosion sound card and wont sound as good if you have some good headphones or a 5.1 or greater surround sound setup.
The on-board audio will also be limited to EAX 2 and around 32 simultanious sounds (I dont know the real specs, tho), while the X-fi can do EAX 3, EAX 4, and the new EAX 5 with a peak of 128 simultanous sounds.
Im ok as long as it has at least 1 PCI slot for a sound card.
Maybe 65nm R600 2+1 setup wont need 1KW on stock clocks.
Maybe we will have X-FI onboard.
Maybe its time to move to smthn bigger then ATX to fit more PCI-X slots and several sockets.
Maybe... :shrug:
That would mean that technology is getting larger isntead of smallerQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackX
but the same is true with Quad-SLI, 1Kw PSU, PPUs, etc. anyway :rolleyes:
They should be thinking about scaleing down motherboard parts too, so the voltage of the processors doesnt differ as much as the voltage on the motherboard.
This would probably resistor count or resistance, which reduces power consumption a bit.
When does R600 come out anyway. When it does, will we be able to still use an x1600xt for physics and a next gen card for graphyx?
U will be able to use them together for sure ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunner611
So is this solution just for 'physics effects' or for full interactive physics?
Its making all physics processes so GPU is less laden.Quote:
Originally Posted by del_fuego
i remember when phys-x came out and i was about to buy one, then nn_step told me to wait a little bit and id be able to use an older ati card :P
"ATI does not see their physics technology as an offload for the CPU but rather processes a new category of features know as “effects physics.”
- this bit from the hardocp article confuses me, sounds like its just for extra eye-candy rather than physics that interact/react with the game world. Anyone have a concrete answer?
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Originally Posted by Drunner611
DFI Rd600 in july/augost
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2526/intel2al.png
regards
Computex 2006 - Video of ATI’s hardware physics in action
Edited. Link Fixed
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/90...ion/index.html
If you are in competitive gaming, then have good sound is more important than having 4xAA and 16xAF. When you spend $100 on headphones, you expect more than just onboard sound, which is crap compared to a good sound card.
not to mention the load it takes off the CPU versus onboard codecQuote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
looks like to run this ATI 2+1, you would need to dump your case and pick up one built for dual PSUs. run all the ATI hardware from one and everything else from the other? :eek:
You could use a X1900 AIW, which is a 1 slot card, which would prolly give you room for sound :)
water FTW hahahaha
they are getting out of control... i want my sound card my wifi card and space for something else... start using the 1x pci E or integrate a good sound processor in the mobo
broken link , dont workQuote:
Originally Posted by end3rkid
Slightly off topic:
Don't wanna sound like I'm bragging, but my Creative Extigy USB is looking a better purchase everyday...:woot:
I like it.
I just hope we are able to do something like Crossfire X1900's... then use a lower end card like a X1800XL for a physics card.
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Originally Posted by 3NZ0
That is exactly what I was thinking, except I think I would buy 2 and use the 2nd one for the physics. :)