conroe Xe is not FSB1333 this year

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05-20-2006, 07:33 PM
hicookie

conroe Xe is not FSB1333 this year

;) sawn my firend set his conroe xe,easy 4G on air.

Conroe xe is still 1066, 2.93G,unlock multi;)

if amd can't fight back,intel won't release the FSB1333 xe 3.33G at this year;)
05-20-2006, 07:34 PM
hicookie

so if woodcrest can overlock and fsb 1333, chose which? hehe
05-20-2006, 07:39 PM
theteamaqua

just curious , where did u hear this information??
05-20-2006, 07:40 PM
hicookie

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

just curious , where did u hear this information??

soon u will see it,5/june

i know someone has spread the es sample of xe.
05-20-2006, 07:41 PM
Absolute_0

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

;) sawn my firend set his conroe xe,easy 4G on air.

Conroe xe is still 1066, 2.93G,unlock multi;)

if amd can't fight back,intel won't release the FSB1333 xe 3.33G at this year;)

So right now the XE is 2.93 Ghz and 1066 bus

But still clocks to 4 Ghz on air? heh, so it is stable at 4 or suicide at 4?
05-20-2006, 07:42 PM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

soon u will see it,5/june

i know someone has spread the es sample of xe.

oh cool, i didnt know that
05-20-2006, 07:43 PM
theteamaqua

did they say anything about Computex?? like waht they will reveal??
05-20-2006, 07:43 PM
hicookie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute_0

So right now the XE is 2.93 Ghz and 1066 bus

But still clocks to 4 Ghz on air? heh, so it is stable at 4 or suicide at 4?

stable@4G+ unlock muliti,wait 5/june;)
05-20-2006, 07:45 PM
Absolute_0

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

stable@4G+ unlock muliti,wait 5/june;)

4 Ghz stable on air. Thank you, you have made me a happy man :)
05-20-2006, 07:45 PM
hicookie

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

did they say anything about Computex?? like waht they will reveal??

hehe....u got it;)

but, keeps watching amd's action.
05-20-2006, 07:47 PM
hicookie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute_0

4 Ghz stable on air. Thank you, you have made me a happy man :)

btw, i known someone has spread the xe,but intel still watching amd's action.

if amd even can't fight E6700. xe 2.93G will delay ;)
05-20-2006, 07:49 PM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

btw, i known someone has spread the xe,but intel still watching amd's action.

if amd even can't fight E6700. xe 2.93G will delay ;)

damn, lets hope AMD can somehow chase Intel in the tail, i cant wait any longer for Conroe, although i might just OC the E6700 to 3 Ghz, i will get the BigWater SE liquid cooling system
05-20-2006, 07:51 PM
Absolute_0

BigWater SE? Conroe should deserve more loving than that. But being relatively low heat it shouldn't need more ;)

I've got a single stage i've been saving for Conroe, damn AMDs won't work on it :rolleyes:
05-20-2006, 07:53 PM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute_0

BigWater SE? Conroe should deserve more loving than that. But being relatively low heat it shouldn't need more ;)

I've got a single stage i've been saving for Conroe, damn AMDs won't work on it :rolleyes:

well, BigWater SE is the only water cooling system Fry's Electronic sells, i can't seem to find any of the water cooling on newegg, tigerdirect (i dont trust other sites with my credit card) ... and its better than air cooling, and only cost $109 before tax, its a cheap cooling system, so i will prolly get that
05-20-2006, 08:43 PM
viper650

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

damn, lets hope AMD can somehow chase Intel in the tail, i cant wait any longer for Conroe, although i might just OC the E6700 to 3 Ghz, i will get the BigWater SE liquid cooling system

big water system sucks man...

and actually, the bigwater is almost no better then good air cooling. xoxide.com is a good site, that is where i ordered my stuff from. very speedy shipping too.
05-20-2006, 09:31 PM
AgentVX

US$109 for a bunch of garbage...save your money dude, get a good heatsink and pocket the change.

On topic...thanks for the info, hicookie. :toast:
05-20-2006, 09:50 PM
theteamaqua

oh thanx guys
05-20-2006, 10:21 PM
zakelwe

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

btw, i known someone has spread the xe,but intel still watching amd's action.

if amd even can't fight E6700. xe 2.93G will delay ;)

Instead of delaying if AMD cannot compete they should just sell it at more $$. That would be far more logical and bring in more revenue....

Regards

Andy
05-20-2006, 10:56 PM
kiwi

Unlocked multi also up? That is what we wanna know :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute_0

4 Ghz stable on air. Thank you, you have made me a happy man :)

There is not a big difference between suicide shot and stable frequency for yonah/conroe (and even older dothan). For yonah, 2-3fsb max, dothan 5-6fsb. Very easy to find max. stable overclock, just calculate SP1M and down fsb a bit :)
05-20-2006, 11:49 PM
Kesnel

The XE sounds so nice, I just wish I could afford one. :(
05-21-2006, 12:07 AM
Thorburn

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

soon u will see it,5/june

Nope, about a month too early.
To the best of my knowledge the 2.93/1066 info above is also wrong.
05-21-2006, 12:49 AM
JoeBar

OMG 85$ for bigwater SE!!! :banana:
What a good deal... :p:
05-21-2006, 01:28 AM
giorgioprimo

can't waith to see this beast..... :slobber:
05-21-2006, 03:18 AM
Pandamonia

bigwater 735 works fine for me, fits my case nice and neat and is better than the zalman 9500 which i also have, my case is cooler and i can run at 1.53v and still stay under 45c in games
05-21-2006, 04:31 AM
Waus-mod

Well and from what i heard ;) conroe itself will also be delayed huh cookie. to bad............................
05-21-2006, 04:37 AM
VictorWang

@.@

4G on Air........that's crazy.
05-21-2006, 05:02 AM
ORCBEAST

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

;) sawn my firend set his conroe xe,easy 4G on air.

Conroe xe is still 1066, 2.93G,unlock multi;)

if amd can't fight back,intel won't release the FSB1333 xe 3.33G at this year;)

When can your friend show some benchies :)

INTEL Just release the damn 3.3Ghz Xe we are all waiting for it...
05-21-2006, 05:09 AM
freecableguy

I can confirm what hicookie is saying...

And I hope all the non-believers now see I was giving it to them straight when I said that Conroe will do 4.0Ghz on air.
05-21-2006, 06:37 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

I can confirm what hicookie is saying...

And I hope all the non-believers now see I was giving it to them straight when I said that Conroe will do 4.0Ghz on air.

That XE is 2.93/1066 or 4GHz on air ? :stick:
05-21-2006, 06:47 AM
rozzyroz

personally, i dont think intel should hold back anything. release the power and move on to bigger things as fast as they can.

if we are seeing 4ghz air oc's with the xe version, there is no reason to play it slow. dont give the competition an oppertunity to answer anything.

keep the prices lower and the performance higher :slap:
05-21-2006, 06:49 AM
vapb400

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

That XE is 2.93/1066 or 4GHz on air ? :stick:

both.
05-21-2006, 06:56 AM
ORCBEAST

Quote:

Originally Posted by rozzyroz

personally, i dont think intel should hold back anything. release the power and move on to bigger things as fast as they can.

if we are seeing 4ghz air oc's with the xe version, there is no reason to play it slow. dont give the competition an oppertunity to answer anything.

keep the prices lower and the performance higher :slap:

YES INTEL :slap:

Release all that Chakra u have building up :p: Gay I know...
Go Red Fox all out !!! Naruto Style hehe.
05-21-2006, 06:57 AM
freecableguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by vapb400

both.

correct. both. hicookie's post is right on.
05-21-2006, 08:07 AM
Vric

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Well and from what i heard ;) conroe itself will also be delayed

Don't make jokes like that again ! :nono: :p:
05-21-2006, 08:29 AM
Waus-mod

Think again... no joke.. i hope its a joke.
If u think rather this way:

Conroe allready smashes everything, intel still wants to sell 6xx 8xx and 9xx cpu's, now everybody is waiting on conroe. they still want to sell them.
05-21-2006, 08:33 AM
Vric

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Think again... no joke.. i hope its a joke.
If u think rather this way:

Conroe allready smashes everything, intel still wants to sell 6xx 8xx and 9xx cpu's, now everybody is waiting on conroe. they still want to sell them.

But if they stick to 6xx and 9xx, then people will get AMD, since they don'T hold up...

Intel have bought enough time with his Netburst.. Time to release something better asap (and Conroe is the answer to regain the market they lost). And since Intel want to make a new "architecture" every 2 years, they better not wait to long..

They have more money to do with releasing Conroe than waiting and selling a product that most of enthusiast user don't want. Their marketing is already done for Conroe, and there is a big hype already. There will be a shortage as soon as they release it (sadly)
05-21-2006, 08:38 AM
Your_Boss

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Think again... no joke.. i hope its a joke.
If u think rather this way:

Conroe allready smashes everything, intel still wants to sell 6xx 8xx and 9xx cpu's, now everybody is waiting on conroe. they still want to sell them.

Well, Intel should have thought of that before they developed their Monster Conroe, now shouldn't they've? :D
05-21-2006, 08:45 AM
vapb400

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Think again... no joke.. i hope its a joke.
If u think rather this way:

Conroe allready smashes everything, intel still wants to sell 6xx 8xx and 9xx cpu's, now everybody is waiting on conroe. they still want to sell them.

I dont think thats true. The change over to Core architecture is supposed to be incremental, so there will be plenty of 6xx 8xx 9xx still for sale through dell, hp, etc while conroe is out.
05-21-2006, 08:53 AM
ORCBEAST

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

soon u will see it,5/june

i know someone has spread the es sample of xe.

HICOOKIE ur gona get NOCOOKIE For posting this so early lol

Now I just cant wait to see that 4Ghz on air and what it can do on phase. :toast:
I think im gona go cry on my pillow.
Plz get some Game Benchies ready till 5th. :)

5th July I dare you to post it now or are you :chicken: hehe :p:
05-21-2006, 09:00 AM
Charles Wirth

If the retail product were locked this would be a very good thing, we get the exact same binned product with a higher multiplier = higher speed possible.

For those of us with ES plans, this wont make any difference.
05-21-2006, 09:07 AM
\Karting_freak

@Fugger
but es doesnt have the multi up, does it?!
05-21-2006, 09:11 AM
Charles Wirth

Not on regular ES chips, XE may be different.
05-21-2006, 09:34 AM
Waus-mod

Quote:

Originally Posted by vapb400

I dont think thats true. The change over to Core architecture is supposed to be incremental, so there will be plenty of 6xx 8xx 9xx still for sale through dell, hp, etc while conroe is out.

sure... but retail ;) ?
05-21-2006, 10:31 AM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

Think again... no joke.. i hope its a joke.
If u think rather this way:

Conroe allready smashes everything, intel still wants to sell 6xx 8xx and 9xx cpu's, now everybody is waiting on conroe. they still want to sell them.

there are better ways to empty your stock... why do you think Intel announced 915 and 925? I don't know now if I will go for Conroe right at release or buy a very cheap Dual Core Presler. further Conroe-Steppings might be higher to clock and get cheaper. but well... if Conroe hits the market as hard as I believe Intel might increase prices as well (more demand, higher prices) :(

but: I still wonder why Intel sells the Conroes that cheap?! in times of shareholders value I thought Intel will have prices like AMD has got to get as much money as the can get. one reason might be that Intel wants to increase their market % at all costs.

I don't think Conroe will be delayed, but maybe they will only chip 'em in small dosages to increase sales on 8xx and 9xx (buy a Conroe rdy Mobo and a Presler and wait till Conroe will drop in price).
05-21-2006, 10:40 AM
n91htmare

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

You're kidding me, right?!?!?! :slobber:

They are going to RELEASE them on June 5th, or just show some off?

Probably lift the NDA on june 5th for XE
05-21-2006, 10:51 AM
JumpingJack

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

but: I still wonder why Intel sells the Conroes that cheap?! in times of shareholders value I thought Intel will have prices like AMD has got to get as much money as the can get. one reason might be that Intel wants to increase their market % at all costs.

Simple, they want to put the brakes on the market share trends. :)
05-21-2006, 11:04 AM
Fuji

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

;) sawn my firend set his conroe xe,easy 4G on air.

Conroe xe is still 1066, 2.93G,unlock multi;)

if amd can't fight back,intel won't release the FSB1333 xe 3.33G at this year;)

are you talking about Poncho's computer? He one he was showing on [H]? The reason why he only hit 2.9 was because he couldn't get the board to work at 1333 MHz FSB b/c of some safty precaution.
05-21-2006, 11:13 AM
hicookie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuji

are you talking about Poncho's computer? He one he was showing on [H]? The reason why he only hit 2.9 was because he couldn't get the board to work at 1333 MHz FSB b/c of some safty precaution.

no, iwill ask my friend , could take some spy picture or not...lol,but last time his answer is "no"

BTW,conroe xe nda will delay,and 965+ich8 dealy too,according to someone's news from intel and aXXs,will dealy to july or later...:(

but, i have sawn some G965+ich8 es of gigabyte spread out!
05-21-2006, 11:26 AM
theteamaqua

why wait for 965 if 975 rev 304 willl do the trick, plus MSI plaitnum V 2.0, and nforce 500 series coming up??
05-21-2006, 11:57 AM
JoeBar

We'll just have to wait and see...
In my opinion they shouldn;t be out early in juky though.
05-21-2006, 12:09 PM
Zyklon5

So hicookie, FCG is the Conroe XE dealyed, not launching any more on the 5th of june ?

I wonder why Intel isn't pushing the Core architecture into the market more agressively both in price and frequency. Does this table have any decent or up to date information ?

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1...titled14ia.png
05-21-2006, 02:06 PM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

why wait for 965 if 975 rev 304 willl do the trick, plus MSI plaitnum V 2.0, and nforce 500 series coming up??

i965 is more cheaper than i975.

and oc limit is the same.
05-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Fuji

The roadmaps that we are seeing are initial releases. Intel is clocking Conroe at a very broad spectrum. Give them time to decide what they want to do. I think we will end up seeing faster Conroes after all, the new stepping of woodcrest and its power saving should extend to Conroe IMO being that they are based on the same architecture. I also think that Intel wants to see what AMD's K8L is capable of before actually ramping up clock speed aggressively.
05-21-2006, 02:14 PM
hicookie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuji

The roadmaps that we are seeing are initial releases. Intel is clocking Conroe at a very broad spectrum. Give them time to decide what they want to do. I think we will end up seeing faster Conroes after all, the new stepping of woodcrest and its power saving should extend to Conroe IMO being that they are based on the same architecture. I also think that Intel wants to see what AMD's K8L is capable of before actually ramping up clock speed aggressively.

100% indeed;)
05-21-2006, 02:47 PM
theteamaqua

how bout support for kentsfield?? i965 or i975??
05-21-2006, 02:53 PM
iterations

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyklon5

So hicookie, FCG is the Conroe XE dealyed, not launching any more on the 5th of june ?

FYI, nothing was ever launching June 5th, that is just the rumored date of NDAs being up, not a product release.
05-21-2006, 02:57 PM
kyleslater

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentVX

US$109 for a bunch of garbage...save your money dude, get a good heatsink and pocket the change.

On topic...thanks for the info, hicookie. :toast:

Get a good air cooler lieka Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro or something and yes thanks for the info. It's dissapointing but not supprising either. grrr. I am annoyed. Why can't intel just beat AMD by 50%? huh? Maybe this means a lot of OC room for us... :D good lol.
05-21-2006, 03:01 PM
theteamaqua

yeah i might just get the Big Typhoon fan, i have read many good comments about that in this forum
05-21-2006, 04:27 PM
Levish

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreYang

i965 is more cheaper than i975.

and oc limit is the same.

875 o/c'd better usually than 865, though not by much.

I would think the trend would continue.
05-21-2006, 04:30 PM
vapb400

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levish

875 o/c'd better usually than 865, though not by much.

I would think the trend would continue.

yea but 865 came before 875, this is the opposite.
05-21-2006, 04:31 PM
NapalmV5

wait a minute.. no xe?!? so they can release the other conroes @ higher $ or raise $ later on.. great!
05-21-2006, 06:28 PM
kyleslater

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

wait a minute.. no xe?!? so they can release the other conroes @ higher $ or raise $ later on.. great!

Kinda... what I read is that the current XE = 2.93 @ 1066 PSB rather then the original 3.33Ghz 1333 PSB we were originally expecting...
05-22-2006, 12:42 AM
theteamaqua

so is the E6800 you are talking about?? like instead of Intel Core 2 XE 3.33Ghz 1333Mhz bus speed , they will release the E6800 which clock at 2.93G with 1066Mhz bus speed???
05-22-2006, 05:33 AM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

so is the E6800 you are talking about?? like instead of Intel Core 2 XE 3.33Ghz 1333Mhz bus speed , they will release the E6800 which clock at 2.93G with 1066Mhz bus speed???

no, intel core 2 xe will be 2.93G with 1066FSB + HT

then in Q4, E6800 will come out 2.93ghz/1066(no HT)

Then in Q4, Conroe XE 3.03ghz/1066FSB will come out so XE is faster than E6800

Then in 2007, Conroe XE 3.33/1333 will come out.

It doesnt matter, XE will have unlocked multi and have HT, other conroe will not have HT as far as I know.
05-22-2006, 06:14 AM
Thorburn

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

no, intel core 2 xe will be 2.93G with 1066FSB + HT

No hyperthreading in the Core Microarchitecture, creates hotspots within the chip.

Quote:

Then in Q4, Conroe XE 3.03ghz/1066FSB will come out so XE is faster than E6800

3.03GHz isn't possible on a 1066FSB, its a half multiplier. (266 x 9.5)

People should really stop posting up crap and stating it as fact.
05-22-2006, 06:35 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

no, intel core 2 xe will be 2.93G with 1066FSB + HT

then in Q4, E6800 will come out 2.93ghz/1066(no HT)

Then in Q4, Conroe XE 3.03ghz/1066FSB will come out so XE is faster than E6800

Then in 2007, Conroe XE 3.33/1333 will come out.

It doesnt matter, XE will have unlocked multi and have HT, other conroe will not have HT as far as I know.

There is no 3.03=P 11 X 266.7 = 2.93GHz and 12 x 266.7 = 3.2GHz skips 3GHz. To get 3GHz is 10 x 333.3 3.3GHz and 9 X 333.34 = 3GHz. Now that 9 X 333.34 was supposed to the E8000 XE. Just round the numbers.

What I saw and was told, unless Intel did a name change, that's quite possible. 2.93GHz Conroe is NOT an XE model. The XE version was 3GHz 333FSB just like the Woodcrest model Intel already demoed. There are several ES chips that have no OEM/Retail equal like the 4MB 2.13GHz, we all know this model will only feature a 2MB L2.

I also saw/thought that ALL XE models will be numbered E8xxx and that the 3.33GHz model is not an 8000 but something E8400 or 8300 or etc.. Now I could easily miss-read what I saw and be 100% wrong here. Or the Chat with the Germans mean just what Intel says when they say Roadmaps are forward looking and can change without notice.

Many Webmasters and reporters are saying/speculating that Intel will launch the XE first for maximum profits. Then they'll ship the other 4 Conroes a few weeks later. I hope not. The Lowest XE from a chat I heard about was E8000 and it was SUPPOSED to be 3GHz 4MB L2 and yes 333MHz FSB (1333), not 266 (1066). I was told to look at Woodcrest for clues. Sounds like Intel went back to the drawing board?

I'm only interested in E6600 anyway.

Last but not least, Conroe supports Hyperthreading? Will there be a Core Solo version with Hyperthreading?
05-22-2006, 06:37 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

100% indeed;)

I respect what you're saying but if you're right, a lot of stuff changed.
05-22-2006, 06:41 AM
freecableguy

HT2 is very real. Conroe XE has Hyperthreading. 2 physical, 4 logical cores. The XE model will move from 2.93/1006 in Q3 to 3.33/1333 in Q4/Q1'2007. Don't be so quick to assume that every uncredible news source is always 100% correct. Things change too, what was true yesterday isn't always so today.

-FCG
05-22-2006, 06:56 AM
Fuji

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is very real. Conroe XE has Hyperthreading. 2 physical, 4 logical cores. The XE model will move from 2.93/1006 in Q3 to 3.33/1333 in Q4/Q1'2007. Don't be so quick to assume that every uncredible news source is always 100% correct. Things change too, what was true yesterday isn't always so today.

-FCG

how does it have HT? Intel droped HT. Do you have any screenshots?
05-22-2006, 07:02 AM
R101

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is very real. Conroe XE has Hyperthreading. 2 physical, 4 logical cores.

OMG! You mean to tell us that there is EVEN MORE performance to Conroe per clock than what we have seen so far? :slobber:
05-22-2006, 07:23 AM
Thorburn

Would be very interested in hearing your sources as this goes against every presentation thats been given in the last few months.
05-22-2006, 07:28 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is very real. Conroe XE has Hyperthreading. 2 physical, 4 logical cores. The XE model will move from 2.93/1006 in Q3 to 3.33/1333 in Q4/Q1'2007. Don't be so quick to assume that every uncredible news source is always 100% correct. Things change too, what was true yesterday isn't always so today.

-FCG

I know that's why I said might, supposed to, change and etc.. I was just surprised by how much and how many changes.
05-22-2006, 08:14 AM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorburn

Would be very interested in hearing your sources as this goes against every presentation thats been given in the last few months.

I trust a physical CPU vs a silly presentation.

Thats just me though.
05-22-2006, 08:48 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

I trust a physical CPU vs a silly presentation.

Thats just me though.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31843

5110 - 1.60 GHz clock, 1066 MHz FSB, $230 per 1K CPU
5120 - 1.86 GHz clock, 1066 MHz FSB, $270 per 1K CPU
5130 - 2.00 GHz clock, 1333 MHz FSB, $330 per 1K CPU
5140 - 2.33 GHz clock, 1333 MHz FSB, $470 per 1K CPU
5150 - 2.67 GHz clock, 1333 MHz FSB, $700 per 1K CPU
5160 - 3.00 GHz clock, 1333 MHz FSB, $851 per 1K CPU

It's not like a 3GHz 333MHz FSB is impossible or anything. If anything, it seems as if Intel is holding it back.
05-22-2006, 09:36 AM
rozzyroz

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is very real. Conroe XE has Hyperthreading. 2 physical, 4 logical cores. The XE model will move from 2.93/1006 in Q3 to 3.33/1333 in Q4/Q1'2007. Don't be so quick to assume that every uncredible news source is always 100% correct. Things change too, what was true yesterday isn't always so today.

-FCG

wow, that means they are releasing an xe version a quarter earlier then the original roadmaps suggested.

we know so little about the xe version of conroe. i cant wait to hear more info :banana:
05-22-2006, 09:57 AM
overclocker.at

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is very real. Conroe XE has Hyperthreading. 2 physical, 4 logical cores. The XE model will move from 2.93/1006 in Q3 to 3.33/1333 in Q4/Q1'2007. Don't be so quick to assume that every uncredible news source is always 100% correct. Things change too, what was true yesterday isn't always so today.

-FCG

HT2 surely :confused:
I cannot believe it :stick: but I hope it :D
05-22-2006, 10:34 AM
irev210

no need to hope.

I love how guys all over the net are starting to argue about intel vs amd.

I dunno why people cant leave their emotions at the door.
05-22-2006, 11:01 AM
freecableguy

HT2 is Intel's biggest secret. ;)
05-22-2006, 11:19 AM
Absolute_0

I hope HT2 offers some good stuff. If it's intel's secret, it just might ;)
05-22-2006, 11:54 AM
ORCBEAST

BRING ON THE NEWS !

Cant wait !:)
05-22-2006, 12:56 PM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is Intel's biggest secret. ;)

i cant find anything about HT2, what is it??

and the difference between Core XE 2.9 Ghz and E6800 is HT2??
05-22-2006, 01:02 PM
overclocker.at

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is Intel's biggest secret. ;)

really :slobber:
why you know that... :confused:
05-22-2006, 01:12 PM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

i cant find anything about HT2, what is it??

and the difference between Core XE 2.9 Ghz and E6800 is HT2??

E6800 isnt going to hit the shelf unti Q4

XE has unlocked multi and HT
05-22-2006, 01:31 PM
Zyklon5

If Conroe XE 3.33 got pushed to Q4/Q1 2007 what happened to the previous Q1 2007 Kentsfield 4 core part ?
05-22-2006, 01:55 PM
BrownTown

Conroe XE = real
HT2 = not real

hope this cleared some stuff up.
05-22-2006, 02:07 PM
Absolute_0

No HT2? fugger and FCG say there is
05-22-2006, 03:38 PM
Fuji

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute_0

No HT2? fugger and FCG say there is

yeah, but if you ask an Intel employee, they say that there is no HT for Conroe/Merom
05-22-2006, 03:51 PM
alexio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuji

yeah, but if you ask an Intel employee, they say that there is no HT for Conroe/Merom

No normal HT, because that wouldn't make sense because of Conroe's short pipeline design. If this so called "HT2" is secret I doubt Intel employees would tell us the truth. I don't know how FUGGER and FCG got their info :stick:

I think normal HT is a technology that is quite simple. HT2 could be far more complicated and I can see threads being cut into a lot small pieces in a more 'intelligent' way making the short pipeline suitable for HT.

We'll see :)
05-22-2006, 04:04 PM
ORCBEAST

I must admit I never heard anything about HT on these new architecture. Only that HT died off with the last 965EE.

Anyway what do I know...I dont even get ES CPU's lol

Lets wait and see, I take my hat off to INTEL that they kept this a secret if there is HT2.
05-22-2006, 04:38 PM
Fuji

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexio

No normal HT, because that wouldn't make sense because of Conroe's short pipeline design. If this so called "HT2" is secret I doubt Intel employees would tell us the truth. I don't know how FUGGER and FCG got their info :stick:

I think normal HT is a technology that is quite simple. HT2 could be far more complicated and I can see threads being cut into a lot small pieces in a more 'intelligent' way making the short pipeline suitable for HT.

We'll see :)

At 14 stages, the pipeline on Conroe is long enough to support HT. From what i hear, the problem is with the micro-ops fusion.
05-22-2006, 04:41 PM
BrownTown

although if Intel decided to impliment SMT in a new CPU im not sure they would call it HyperThreading, seeing as they got rid of the Pentium brand after the P4 failes, they might also get rid of the HyperThreading name after it failed to provide consistant performance improvements. Although, don't go thinking that only a logn pipeline would benefit form SMT, a wider core like Conroe has would provide enough execution bandwidth for multiple threads. Also, the 2 biggest problems with the P4 implimentation (the replay bug, and fighting over the cache) could be solved seeing as the Core architecture doesn't have the first problem, and the mechanism for locking down caches for differnt cores coudl be used to lcok down caches for different threads, so each would not have to compete for cache room, in additon, 4MB is alot of cache to share.
05-22-2006, 05:14 PM
Ron 61

If we only had a time machine.
05-22-2006, 05:25 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

HT2 is Intel's biggest secret. ;)

can you comment a bit what this should do?

inverse ht?
05-22-2006, 05:42 PM
Absolute_0

Inverse HT? is that like the thing AMD's working on, turning two cores into one... using software to make 2 cores work on 1 app?
05-22-2006, 05:49 PM
Turtle 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrownTown

Conroe XE = real
HT2 = not real

hope this cleared some stuff up.

intelia reported last year @ ATF that Xe model would HT . Everthing she said about Yonah and merom (conroe) Everthing she said has been spot on the money. So she pretty much pwned. the ATF forum.
05-22-2006, 06:24 PM
Fuji

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle 1

intelia reported last year @ ATF that Xe model would HT . Everthing she said about Yonah and merom (conroe) Everthing she said has been spot on the money. So she pretty much pwned. the ATF forum.

who is intelia? And what I don't get is why Intel would implement HT and not tell any of the engineers.
05-22-2006, 06:48 PM
kyleslater

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuji

who is intelia? And what I don't get is why Intel would implement HT and not tell any of the engineers.

There is something called an NDA...
05-22-2006, 07:41 PM
Fuji

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyleslater

There is something called an NDA...

There's also Intel publically saying that there would be no HT

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=1504
05-22-2006, 07:56 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

Conroe XE has Hyperthreading.
-FCG

LOL...Glad to see you're finally convinced.....what caused the change of heart? :p:
05-22-2006, 08:13 PM
tombman

I won´t believe HT2 is real until some guys here with ES stuff prove it ;)

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