ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

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06-12-2008, 03:20 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by 003

The overclock should be irrelevant. 06 is heavily CPU limited, and I have a 3.6GHz yorkfield, and they have a 4ghz yorkfield. That would be a pretty big balance tipper.

If the 4850 really has 800 SPs and 32 TMUs, then these results are extremely disappointing. Unless it basically doubles it's performance in crossfire, it's going to blow.

My Q6600 @ 3.2ghz and heavily OC'ed GTS got 15506
Both stock got 11877...
Q6600 @ 3.2ghz and GTS stock is 14259.

Yes, the CPU helps but so does OC'ing the card.
06-12-2008, 03:21 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by mascaras

you know how much a 9800GTX got in 2k6 ???

9800GTX with Quad @4Ghz = ~15K

so this means hd2900 is good as 9800GTX ??? not even close

3dmark 2006 means nothing !

regards

Wow !! Mascaras Angry !! First time I've seen that :woot:

Go Mascaras :up: Kick his pessimistic arse :)

Perkam
06-12-2008, 03:22 PM
mascaras

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Originally Posted by perkam

Wow !! Mascaras Angry !! First time I've seen that :woot:

Go Mascaras :up: Kick his pessimistic arse :)

Perkam

:p::p: :up:

Now lets see some more Benchs and Games :yepp:

best regards
06-12-2008, 03:23 PM
y2kbos

One Dutch webshop already has listed the HD4850 for 152 euro's
06-12-2008, 03:24 PM
jimmyz

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Yeah man please stop the 3DMark crap just run some games :p:

just for you stargazer I'm gonna run the crysis bench how does 1680 X1050 With high settings DX10 Cpu at 4GHZ and ram ( 4GB) at 5-5-5-15. card is still stock clocks and I can confirm at least in the Visiontek the stock is 625mhz and it maxxes under CCC at 700 (which it will do).

it does run quite hot 79c idle, but seems fine with it. I definitely need to spend a little time trying something to up the fan speed. the usual suspects are all in need of a tool lib update for this card.:shrug:

back in a while.:up:
06-12-2008, 03:27 PM
natty

do 'very high' also :up:
06-12-2008, 03:28 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by jimmyz

Actually it will be around 200 or more......It looks like. My guess 220 USD.:up:

He is talking about euros, I can already find the 4850 for 184 euro, not in stock though and it's only one shop so there is probably some price gauging involved...
BTW, the 3870 can be had for around 120 euro.(all excluding shipping ofcourse)
06-12-2008, 03:33 PM
fcry64

625...and maxes out at.... 700?:(
06-12-2008, 03:37 PM
mascaras

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Originally Posted by fcry64

625...and maxes out at.... 700?:(

ONLY in CCC (Catalyst Control center)

regards
06-12-2008, 03:38 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by fcry64

625...and maxes out at.... 700?:(

CCC has an option do run it at 700 and he just said that this was child's play. There just aren't any tools/programs to clock this card any higher at the moment and I guess ATI-tool will need an update for this.
Got beaten to is by mascaras :p:
06-12-2008, 03:39 PM
003

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Originally Posted by jimmyz

just for you stargazer I'm gonna run the crysis bench how does 1680 X1050 With high settings DX10 Cpu at 4GHZ and ram ( 4GB) at 5-5-5-15. card is still stock clocks and I can confirm at least in the Visiontek the stock is 625mhz and it maxxes under CCC at 700 (which it will do).

it does run quite hot 79c idle, but seems fine with it. I definitely need to spend a little time trying something to up the fan speed. the usual suspects are all in need of a tool lib update for this card.:shrug:

back in a while.:up:

jimmyz, if you insist on using vantage, please at least use the extreme preset. The performance preset doesn't tell much.
06-12-2008, 03:47 PM
fcry64

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

ONLY in CCC (Catalyst Control center)

regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

CCC has an option do run it at 700 and he just said that this was child's play. There just aren't any tools/programs to clock this card any higher at the moment and I guess ATI-tool will need an update for this.
Got beaten to is by mascaras :p:

but still...:(
06-12-2008, 03:55 PM
Helmore

Don't be so pessimistic :p:, these cards can probably clock a lot better than just a measly 700 MHz.
06-12-2008, 04:05 PM
mascaras

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Originally Posted by fcry64

but still...:(

thats perfectly normal like with all new ATi cards @ release date = almost none has software to OC beside the CCC

and the release date for the cards is only 25th ............

wait for a new version of Atitool or Rivatuner with HD4000 support

you can try AMDtool too !

regards
06-12-2008, 04:13 PM
Your_Boss

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Originally Posted by jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

A little teaser 15k in 06 is easy (4600mhz yorkie). much more info coming.

Thanks for this. Do Crysis 25x12 (4xAA, and No AA) with stock card speeds. Thanks again.

Oh, BTW, can you do me a tinsi winsi favor and crack open the chip's interior and count the shaders one by one? CPUZ isn't quite giving us accurate figures. :ROTF: Ok, JK!
06-12-2008, 04:28 PM
Milos-stancene

Where is HE ? :shrug:
06-12-2008, 04:33 PM
eleeter

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Originally Posted by Milos-stancene

Where is HE ? :shrug:

Counting shaders of course.
06-12-2008, 04:50 PM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

just for you stargazer I'm gonna run the crysis bench how does 1680 X1050 With high settings DX10 Cpu at 4GHZ and ram ( 4GB) at 5-5-5-15. card is still stock clocks and I can confirm at least in the Visiontek the stock is 625mhz and it maxxes under CCC at 700 (which it will do).

it does run quite hot 79c idle, but seems fine with it. I definitely need to spend a little time trying something to up the fan speed. the usual suspects are all in need of a tool lib update for this card.:shrug:

back in a while.:up:

Good, I'll go to bed now that I have some time before the real show :lol:

Keep the results coming and thanks :up:
06-12-2008, 05:14 PM
jimmyz

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Originally Posted by 003

jimmyz, if you insist on using vantage, please at least use the extreme preset. The performance preset doesn't tell much.

extreme with a midrange single card? :rofl: this is a mainstream card. but that being said it scored X2808 (very pretty slideshow) with 4ghz Quad and card at stock clocks and default image quality.(balanced) no tweaks whatsoever to vista, set just like my daily use.GPU score BTW was 15676 , I will post screens when i get the thread up, gotta keep running tests, just wanted to keep you up to date.:up:
06-12-2008, 05:16 PM
v_rr

X2808 is a very good result.
What drivers are you using? Cat 8.6 beta?
06-12-2008, 05:17 PM
zerazax

Nice results
06-12-2008, 05:19 PM
003

The extreme preset is what should always be used regardless of the card. It's not like it matters if it has low framerates; it's not like you're playing 3DMark. Using the extreme preset exclusively does the best job of factoring out the CPU, and gives a number you can always compare with other vantage scores. None of the confusion about one person benching one card with X, another with P, comparing scores, etc.. things would be a lot simpler if people just used extreme. 2800 is pretty good, seeing as there were rumors about the 4870 only scoring 2700-2800 on the extreme preset.
06-12-2008, 05:50 PM
Kai Robinson

Cryyyyyyyssiiiiiiiiiiissss!!!!! :D
06-12-2008, 05:57 PM
ripken204

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Originally Posted by Kai Robinson

Cryyyyyyyssiiiiiiiiiiissss!!!!! :D

hehe, i cant wait for these benchmarks!
i have not been playing crysis on purpose because i believe that it is a sin to not play it on max settings. once the 4870 comes out, its crysis time :)
06-12-2008, 06:11 PM
Extelleron

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Originally Posted by ripken204

hehe, i cant wait for these benchmarks!
i have not been playing crysis on purpose because i believe that it is a sin to not play it on max settings. once the 4870 comes out, its crysis time :)

I thought that way too, but I've played through it twice already and I'm ready for another play through on highest difficulty. :)

Crysis is one of the few FPS's I've ever played more than once, because it is so open ended.

Anyway, X2800 is what we have heard from other sources, and that is pretty darn good IMO. It puts the HD 4850 above the 3870 X2 and if the 4870 ends up being 30% faster, then it would be around the speed of a 9800GX2.

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