MUSHKIN PC4000 2gB SMOOKKIINNNNN!!

The Asus is up and running.....starting from scratch so phase change is off, only running on air now....11x 250 1:1 @3-3-2-8 2.7v is a go so far, passed 3Dmark01se without a single hiccup, let's see what's up with 255 next.


update1: 255 @2.7v is a no go, car chase lockup once, dragon very unstable with shaky graphic, lobby lockup instantly!

update2: 255 @2.7v second try, only have 3 TREF options so I'd changed 3.9 to 15.6, car chase passed, dragon graphic is slightly shaky for couple frames but not too big of a deal as I can tweak that out later, lobby is smooth, nature completed no problem. test: PASSED!! ok....260 is next.

update3: 260 @2.7 benchmark failed to load, restarted it and car chase instant lockup on first frame. heh...I don't think I can get away with not touching any other values :p:

update4: 260 @2.7v changed TRC to 8, TRFC to 18, RW bypass to 8, bypass max to 7, idle cycle limit to 256. Read preamble to 6, async latency to 9. benchmark loaded...but car chase is borking pretty bad, I think the ram need more juice.....bump it up to 2.8v that is.

update5: 260 @2.8V, neither lose nor tight timing work, all 3 TREF attempts failure. Since this ram is officially rated by Mushkin up to 2.9v, I'll give it one last try.

final update: 260 = FAILED!

Glad you posted ben i was thinking maybe the new asus would get me where i need to be.

Sounds like this CE-6 is very hit or miss:( Kinda odd how PI and such are fine, and 3D is borked

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Originally Posted by gundamit

Even if they can run CAS 2.5 at 265 like my Patriots, that still not enough to unseat the Crucials as the default 2x1gig set for OCers. Would love to see Infineon vs. Crucial at same CPU clock and tweaked to their speed/timing sweet spots. I'm guessing speed still trumps tighter timings.

Here's Corsair's take on the same IC.

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you'd guess wrong....look at my 3.40Ghz runs, at 254 @3-3-2-8 these Redline raped the Ballistix 283 @3-3-3-8! Not only in crunching number(compression, spi, etc) but I'd also gained about 3000 points in Aquamark (98,xxx vs. 95,xxx). :D

Well...these 2GB Redline are kinda tricky to tweak, for those who couldn't get these sticks to overclock >250 you really need to look at the big 3....Tref, Drive and Data strength, the ultra-D gave me more option in Tref to play with but the Asus simplified it to only 3.9, 7.8, and 15.6, whichever I chose the bios will automatically pick the proper value to use. Same as the Drive strength on Asus, only two options...either Normal or Weak. I could get slightly more out of these Redline with the Asus, but with more time and with the right combination I probably should achieve the same result on ultra-D. All and all, this pair of Redline really shine in crunching numbers but when it comes to 3D stuff....255~ is pretty much all they can do @3-3-2-8. Granted...I haven't try 2.5-3-2 so I'll have to give it a shot later on.

I'm already getting 22m in SPI 32M with only 254 memclock, it must of put LOTS of strain on the memory controller if I were to run these at....say 270~275 at the same tight timing! if by any chance these ram holds up at those speed along with super tight timing....and if I leave them running like that for 24/7...something has gotta give, my guess is....eventually the memory controller is going to failed.

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Sounds like this CE-6 is very hit or miss:( Kinda odd how PI and such are fine, and 3D is borked

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I don't understand that either....weird stuff

When you guys received these sticks, did they came in the retail package with the user manual and all, or did they came naked wrapped in an air-pouch? mine came wrapped in the air pouch....they looks like RMA'ed or returned item :stick:

if you buy from Mushkin we ship it in our famous air pouch. all parts are new since we just released these. we do not sale used parts or RMA parts.

Duonger

glad to know....I'll definitely keep them eventhough they don't clock as high as many other that I've seen ;)

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glad to know....I'll definitely keep them eventhough they don't clock as high as many other that I've seen ;)

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keep on messing with timings... they're REALLY touchy with settings! And mine DON'T like volts... 2.7 MAX! Wehn I first got mine I couldn't match JNav's results and it took me literally weeks to find the sweet spot!
I can play BF2 up til about 271-273ish... and bench at 280, 3-3-2-8.
I can do 2.5-3-2 til about 262 or so...
What I did was cruise all the CE-6 threads and looked for timings used by the guys who were hiting 270+ and copied them. Especially TRC, usually we use 11 as a nice safe setting with UTT and TCCD, well NOT with this stuff! Needs to be 5-7!

C

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keep on messing with timings... they're REALLY touchy with settings! And mine DON'T like volts... 2.7 MAX! Wehn I first got mine I couldn't match JNav's results and it took me literally weeks to find the sweet spot!
I can play BF2 up til about 271-273ish... and bench at 280, 3-3-2-8.
I can do 2.5-3-2 til about 262 or so...
What I did was cruise all the CE-6 threads and looked for timings used by the guys who were hiting 270+ and copied them. Especially TRC, usually we use 11 as a nice safe setting with UTT and TCCD, well NOT with this stuff! Needs to be 5-7!

C

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nice tip...wouldn't of thought the TRC needs to be within 5~7 as I tried 8~11 in attempt to gain some stability....get used to tweaking those dang UTT/TCCD :lol: and yes mine doesn't like vdimm either....2.7 is pretty much what they prefered. Does jacking up the Trfc help these infineon at all?

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Originally Posted by Xenom0rph

Yeah man, there are many products that aren't sold here in Europe, or just the price is insane. And if we buy from out of Europe we expend a lot in shipping fees =/

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here in this litle country near your's...
we call portugal :clap:
we have now :banana:
you can find here :fact:
price:349 euros :slobber:

it is cus of duties and taxes that your government and the eu trade commission impose on all products being imported.

sorry my friend

Duonger

I've tried multiple times and can't seem to get cas 2.5 at 250 htt. I'll keep tweaking the bios until I get it. Using 623-2BTA

Is anyone running these sticks with the new DFI expert mobo? I am building a rig over the weekend based on this ram and the expert board with an Opty 170. Anyone got a linky to some bios/A64 tweaker settings with the above combo? I am an OC'ing n00b, and everyone in here is saying how finicky these chips are, yet how awesome their potential is, so I'm looking for a place to start.

Charlie, those settings you posted as 110% stable earlier in this thread....will they work with the DFI expert board?

Thanks guys for all your help!

as soon as newegg has them in stock I will be ordering my set of them !

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146034

took them all week to get it up.

Duonger

ya but not in stock yet..... I got auto notify already setup to email me so I can grab them !

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Prob on the expert :

Is there anyone use 2gb (2x1gb set) Infineon ce-6 or be-5 IC accidentally will cause can't run dual channel? (Most likely it the dimm4 orange one closed to CPU socket)...tried about 7 sets already.

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This came from OPB on another thread...anyone know anything about this?

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I've tried multiple times and can't seem to get cas 2.5 at 250 htt. I'll keep tweaking the bios until I get it. Using 623-2BTA

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I don't think they're all going to do it. My first set did it 250-260 no problem without tweaking at all. Second set won't do it after a day of tweaking. The second set also won't go near as high with loose timings and much tweaking. Still good stuff at rated speed but they do seem to vary.

-pickles

our techs have been testing them each by hand in single and dual channel before it goes out the door. so if you order a kit, you will get parts that have been tested to insure compatibility.

Duonger

As for Newegg - They had 20 kits to start,... I guess it sold out.

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This came from OPB on another thread...anyone know anything about this?

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hmm..i want to know as well. Duonger, do you've the same problem with Redline and Expert ? Thanks.

no have not personally seen or heard of any failure. i forwarded this link to my head tech guys home email so lets see what they say. we are close tomorrow so hopefully they will answer before the weekend is over.

Duonger

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no have not personally seen or heard of any failure. i forwarded this link to my head tech guys home email so lets see what they say. we are close tomorrow so hopefully they will answer before the weekend is over.

Duonger

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Thanks Duonger. very appreciate your effort on this one.

My redline should be arrived soon and will run it on the Expert, that's why i'm quite concern.

go to the AMD section and look at Stephen's thread, he asked Expert owner to check their mobo as quite a few of them found some blown resistors on their board, Fugger said the board came like that so I highly doubt the problem on the memory stick, it was the mobo that causes OPB do not able to run them on dual channel. if you have the expert I suggest you to follow Stephen's instruction and check if yours is defective.

Thanks ben805. Been there and checked my expert, yes, there's a mark like a trace was cut and had some kind of sealer over the that trace. However, my mark look clean and the near-by resistor doesn't damage like the one of Stephen's. It came like that. I've not seen any instability or strange behavior on my system, yet.

My UTT BH, CH, TCCD and Micron (ballistix) all run fine. Will observe it very very close to see if it'll be any abnomal. Thanks again for pointing that out.