Here's what I need in a Motherboard.

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Originally Posted by trakslacker

hold on a second there champ. First off, this thread is for Ati's bullhead board, which will in no way support SLI. That is nVidia's (failed) attempt at a dual card solution. In terms of real world performance, SLI is largely worthless b/c, as you said, it only works with a relative handful of driver optimized games and (surprise) banchmarking programs.

Ati's solution is currently called AMR, for ATi Multi-Rendering. This name could change for production, but thats what ppl are calling it. Now, if ATi wants to get it all right and hit one out of the park on the first attempt(wink wink, Grayskull :)), they should have both cards be run at the chipset level as a I speculated about above. the cards should be any two ATi PCI-e cards, whether of the same power or not, and both should be able to be fully utilized all the time. Again, these are just my hopes and random thoughts, and in NO WAY should this be taken as fact or official word!!!!

Man, dual X800XL's or dual mid-range R520's at a later time would rock my socks off for a (comparatively) reasonable price! Please ATI, do right by us and you WILL have our business. NV's SLI is floundering, swoop in and destroy it.

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kk sounds good :toast:

grrr. Release date PLEASE. I'm ording a mobo this afternoon :O( and its not ATI because theres no release date even hinted at

in theory AMR and SLI should be chipet independant trackslacker. nVidia just doesnt want us to do it on anything other than their own chipset that they make an extra $50 off for each produced really.. otherwise it'd work on the others too.

ATi's AMR is to be done through the chipset I believe

jjcom

In what manner was the board supposedly tampered with?

Who is telling you that this level of overclocking is not normal?

The facts are that the board that Wesley got for the review was early silicon and nothing "special" or "tampered" with.

I can say this with 100% certainty since I sent him the board.

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gracyskull i have a question directed to you, is it true that the xpress 200 was tampered with when Anadatech recieved it. people have told me that its not normal to get that high of an oc on it. what did happen?

i was told that the board must of been tampered with because that oc on air i belive it was, shouldnt of got that high. i guess my sources were wrong considering you are 100% sure.

what do you mean by early silcon? i do not understand still a nub

Good luck on the board ATI :)

if it is possible...

Wide range of Memory timing & Chipset timing in bios / windows utility

:) Thanks

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Originally Posted by w00t!w00t!

what do you mean by early silcon? i do not understand still a nub

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Think of AMD here...the early Winchesters don't overclock as well as the later ones. Similar concept here, but with a chipset. The chipset was very early meaning that it probly wouldn't do that well. It did do well and I think that shows good engernering on ATi's part

jjcom

oh well, Just got my NF4 today...

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Originally Posted by jjcom

Think of AMD here...the early Winchesters don't overclock as well as the later ones. Similar concept here, but with a chipset. The chipset was very early meaning that it probly wouldn't do that well. It did do well and I think that shows good engernering on ATi's part

jjcom

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thank you for answering my question

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Originally Posted by moddolicous

I think someone said this already, but you should try to create some interesting dividers. I know most people might not use them, but I would try them. Try making like 1:2, 1:3, something big jumps, so ram becomes less of a problem of holding us back from high fsb's. Also, if you could, try to incorporate one PCI-X slot. Some people might not use them, but some could use them for a raid card.

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Don't You mean PCI-E? PCI-X is for an eXtended PCI slot.

I think he wants that and me too

Good luck with that. =)

Something ATI should try, although it may not work, is upgradeable chipset. Like, if nforce 5 comes out, we can just pop out the old nforce 4 chipset, and pop in nforce 5. Will save some people money.

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Originally Posted by moddolicous

Something ATI should try, although it may not work, is upgradeable chipset. Like, if nforce 5 comes out, we can just pop out the old nforce 4 chipset, and pop in nforce 5. Will save some people money.

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Actually the Nforce4 and the Nforce5 are not compatible pin for pin as the Nforce4 is for AMD cpus only and the Nforce5 is for Intel cpus only.

well, you know what I mean. The next nforce chipset for amd should be able to be switched with the current nforce4 chipset. But by the next chipset, it might support a socket chip or something.

Yes it would be great but unfortunately not possible.... They always ameliore the layout when they change of chipset, so all the pins would be ***** up....

The reason for new chipsets is generally architecture changes. More pins, new type of RAM, new graphics interface, etc. Doesn't work.

Heh, VIA should have tried that when they were screwing around on the socket A platform. KT266, KT266a, KT333, KT400, KT400a, KT600, etc.

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Originally Posted by WiCKeD

The reason for new chipsets is generally architecture changes. More pins, new type of RAM, new graphics interface, etc. Doesn't work.

Heh, VIA should have tried that when they were screwing around on the socket A platform. KT266, KT266a, KT333, KT400, KT400a, KT600, etc.

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lol that takes my back to my fond memories of building my first righ on my soyo dragon +, man I was so proud when that thing booted on first try :)

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Originally Posted by skate2snow

Yes it would be great but unfortunately not possible.... They always ameliore the layout when they change of chipset, so all the pins would be ***** up....

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Yea, thats true, I thought about that after I posted. I forgot that new chipsets usually support new devices and such.

Is there a way you can call up your MSi buddies and push them to release a BIOS update for the RS480/RX480 mATX Mobos that allows OCing? :D

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Originally Posted by Dillusion

Is there a way you can call up your MSi buddies and push them to release a BIOS update for the RS480/RX480 mATX Mobos that allows OCing? :D

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Yeah MSi needs to come out with an overclocking bios for that motherboard, I was thinking of buying one for an upgrade of a PC, But No overclocking means No buying that motherboard. :( :(

I'm with those two :up:

I'd like 4.0v vdimm, with vtt that tracks well, 4 or 6 phase power circuitry for stability.
cpu voltages to a max 2.0v or higher.

AGP/PCI locks, but this goes without saying, or PCI-e lock, depending on the board.

versions of any board in both pci-e and agp flavas, and 775/939/754 versions as well...although only the 754 should have an AGP slot.


How about availability in Canada? for ATI's home country, ATI does not have alot of product for sale in Canada. Heck, make things truly available for purchase from the ATI wensite, and i'd be happy...and i mean every product. HAving my x850xt order not filled really sucks, you know.

Ive been following this post with great interest, im not going to give my 2pence worth as its mostly been said but one thing that i would say is this.

Back in the days of Voodoo 2, sli ruled the roost for all of a year then it disappeared for a very long time, to be honest i always thought it was a bit of a cop out on the part of the board manufacturers due to gpu chipset technology hitting a temporary 'wall'. If AMR does come along who's to say it may be a single card running dual gpus (one each side ?) which would totally destroy the need for sli if the control was on the card and of course this would run on both the intel and amd platforms.

Secondly, I remember the old Commodore Amiga days when if you wanted more gpu performance you replaced your Fat Agnus graphics chip (real name honestly) with a larger one, so following on from this, it would nice to see a more modular board design where you get the basics and purchase the board depending on what its to be used for. An example would be basic functionality would be standard across the board but allow the purcase of daughter boards for such things as extra usb slots, onboard sound, onboard graphics etc. Asus Shipped their p4c800-e deluxe with a wifi slot in case you wanted wifi, also a usb socket to add an extra 4 usb ports, a game port extension cart etc. Take this idea and build on it and youd be on to a winner. Granted the overall price would be higher but only if you were to buy every extra which for a lot of people would not happen. One advantage of this would be that as more advanced sound comes available a daughterboard upgrade is purchased, if you decide you want to go more all singing all dancing with the peripheral you can. Im aware that most chipsets have a limited shelf life but this still would give ATI the flexibility to apeal to the entire market using a single basic board with the bells and whistles manufactured on daughterboards and included in mb packages or sold seperately as needed.

Grayskull is this actually possible or will technology/costs not allow this?

p.s i think i gave a little bit more than 2 pence worth :p: