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Oki, understood :)
(quote from onepagebook)
Ok, Honestly, I really don't have any idea what's that winnie sub-zero problem
I can run very smoothly from 1.3 bios ~1.51 bios all on the 3500+ 90nm and Vapochill LS..
yeah... but if you noticed, he seems to have all the luck in world as far as processor/memory, etc goes. Figures. Rest of commoners like us are stuck with strange issues.
what is max fsb you can reach on your K8N Neo2 ? Do you have new november revision ? thanxQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Well it's not 3000 and 3200+ only, it happens to 3500+ too, so why not onepagebook? psycho303, how high could you overclock your winnie on the 1.6vcore lock with 1.41b bios?
i don't know how much of his results are luck, it seems that he's got plenty of hardware to play around with in order to get his superb results. he reported that he had to try out ~20 msi k8n neo2 mobo's in order to get a good oc on some ram. i think the inconsistencies in winnie oc'ing has to do with the fact that each particular a64's on-die mem controller has to have a perfect mate with a board in order to get good results. the average consumer is limited to a sample size of 1 or 2 mobos/cpus and generally gets average or sub-par results. 1page gets to choose from tons of mobos and tons of ram, plus he makes the effort to test em all out. perhaps his luck with sub-zero winnie's is also related to the fact that he can try out so many boards as is evidenced by the fact that there are sporadic reports of other people with success phase-cooling winnies.
my crappy 3200+ winnie gives me max 2.6Ghz @ 1.6v on that bios. (vapo LS cooled)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
bought a new 3000+ winnie fresh delivered at e-bug store today and put it on my Abit AV8 gives me 2.7-2,8 Ghz @ 1.7v on AIR ! (have to test more tomorrow) :banana: so i have to wait until theres new AV8 bios which tricks the phase change bug, cause my K8N only runs up to 280 fsb and under phase change i'll need 310-320 @ 9x ;)
not true of his winnies running on phase cooling. Rest of your deduction might be right though. He has YET to see any problem with winnie and sub zero cooling if I read what he said right.Quote:
Originally Posted by jikdoc
I myself has gone through 6 boards total (4 msi 1 asus 1 giga) and combination of 3 winchesters (2 3200+, 1 3500+). Every one of them had same problem.
The issue is something else really. And no one has conclusive answer to it yet as far as I can see.
I still wonder if its processor thats not allowing this. I don't know it just seems like if it was temps being reported wrong that someone would just disable that in the BIOS and that'd be it. It seems like some thing more. Maybe something internal with the Winchester. Like a built in thermal trip and it can't read negitive temps.
jjcom
I have tried 2 different Winchesters on my MSI board, and both worked fine with my Mach 1....
If someone trusted me enough to send me a winchester that wouldnt work with phase change, I would gladly try it in my rig to see if it was the CPU or MB that is the problem, and I would even pay the return shipping....
I use foam instead of seal string, so I can switch CPUS in less than 5 minutes.
i just replaced my old neo2 with one of the new ones from monarch and am getting a temp of -39 for the cpu socket while on air. on the old msi board i was getting normal temps of +30 which corresponded with the temp from the nb. this is with the 1.36 bios and same processor (fx55) on both the old and new boards. i'm wondering if this odd socket temp would allow me run a winnie under phase cooling on my neo2. if so it might isolate the problem to the winbond temperature diode on the mobo and might explain why a bios revision would help. if that is true, it would explain why 1page has no problems with any of the winnies he tries if he has a board with a good winbond diode.
my new neo board's chipset is q46281.1 0440A2 taiwan
when i get my vapo, i'll test my 3200 winnie to see if it works under phase.
I have a 3500+ winnie, and the subzero problem was present when i used a gigabyte 939, when i switched to the msi it went away (bios 1.41b).Quote:
Originally Posted by mikem
I believe it may be a communication error between the thermal diode and the way that the board understands the reading of negative temps.
hi guys and gals, would like to know if it would work with a abit av8 3rd eye motherboard after hearing all these boot problems (if the motherboard is the problem) . I have 3200+ winnie and would suck if it didn't work as i built this machine for a vapochill.
on my AV8 it stil doesent work with vapochill ls attached :-( , hope bios fixes this. i already wrote mails to abit but now answer :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironlegion
man that sucks, do you think they will release a bios before christmas?
i hope it ! my mails are already 10 days ago :mad: , running 3000+ @ 2.6 / 1.625v on water now, hope to get out more of this chip with phase changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ironlegion
Only problem I've had was bios showing random temprature values on MSI Neo2, corecenter was completely screwed (giving 41 degrees C constantly)
But everything worked normally
And that was a phase change cooling system you had running? Might be hope yet then :D
dude what cooling you using buddy?
Most likely cascade. Now PC ICE, which mobo are you using? How the hell would you be able to disable the diode? Thought it is in CPU????
yeah but some have thought about trying to short it. You know, connecting the two pins on the CPU together and see what happens. Or trying to use a transisior and adjusting the current running through the two pins. This they think could fix the Winchester cold issue. but who knows.
jjcom
Got a bad news and good news.
Bad news: I burnt my magic newcastle that was doing awesome. Money outta pocket again and will have to wait for new CPU to come in. Died of too high of v-core is my guess (for mod that uses 20k var, I accidentally put 2k.... ahahah)
Good news: Grabbed 3000+ from fry's to last while my new CPU comes in and found out it does boot fine with phase change cooling. In fact, I am toying around with it... but I don't think this mobo can go that high of FSB to really see full impact of this chip on phase cooling. For now, 2.4ghz is no brainer (I think default speed of this chip is 1.8ghz?) multi of x9 do suck hard. I think I can only test upto around 2.5ghz on this chip even if the chip can go higher.