Real Temp - New temp program for Intel Core processors

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03-04-2008, 08:39 PM
t_ski

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Originally Posted by unclewebb

Thanks t_ski. It might have something to do with the meds I'm on today!

You're welcome. ;)
03-04-2008, 09:51 PM
audiofreak

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Originally Posted by unclewebb

I located a Visual C++ .NET 2003 version. Does anyone know if I will be able to compile MFC code using this and can it output x64 code? I'll be looking into that subject tomorrow.

You will need at least Visual C++ 2005 for x64. Either that or mess with VS2003 and Platform SDK which always includes latest x86 and x64 compiler and libraries. However, I would recommend VS2005 because I am not sure if MFC version in VS2003 is x64 compatible.
03-04-2008, 10:27 PM
jaredpace

Realtemp 2.0 reports 100C and 100C cores and 100C tmax for my Merom T7100. I ran the sensor test and it says, "Cannot perform test on mobile processors due to extreme heat."
03-04-2008, 11:47 PM
flopper

e8200
33c and 22c.
4ghz 1.72vcore.
watercooling.
vista 32b sp1.
03-04-2008, 11:59 PM
kadir_slayer

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Originally Posted by Qbical

hey guys, ok so i havent been here in FOREVER so
1. my Core#0 is ALWAYS 10 degrees less then my Core#1 ,why?
i was reading about the thermal sensor being stuck, but mine still moves but its just always ~10d less.

2. i noticed that my CPU has no revision #, should i be concerned about that?
According to Coretemp my revision is C0; so it says.

3. y does the test say both my cores are 5 but i KNOW my core 0 is always lower then 1. so wouldnt the test read like 1 and 5 or something like that?

4.idk what to believe :confused: anymore. my room ambient temp is about 26-27C and maybe even lower at night. right now RealTemp shows (27C/38C) but a few hours ago it was at (31C/41C) all this is stock no OC. that is only a few degrees off of what the room actually is, so does that mean i should use the (0) setting? i mean my case has great airflow and when i shoot my temp gun around everything seems nice and chilly. i mean my fricking 8800GTS is @ like 47C idle.
i even added a new mini fan to blow across the ram and CPU so i have a hard time believing a 70C CPU temp

i would love any kind of suggestion other then me just cookin this thing. lol
btw i have the CPU and NB on 1 cooling loop w/ a DD dual 120mm rad. that has both fans on it. see below

ASUS P5K Deluxe
C2D E8400 @ stock for now
water cooled CPU and NB-dedicated loop
2GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 @1600mhz 5-5-5-15 2T
EVGA 8800GTS BIOS V flash (660/840)
watercooled-dedicated loop
2x 200GB Maxtor SATA
SB XFI Platinum
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 PSU
Dell 2407WFP

it doesn't show your revision because it is much older version of cpu-z. download the latest verison 1.44.1.. But as far as I know there is only one revision out there C0
03-05-2008, 12:00 AM
graysky

Q6600 @ 8x333 gives a tjmax of 85c.. I read your post here but don't understand why you'd give a b3 stepping a tjmax of 85?

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1160/realtempey8.gif
Room temp is 16.1 °C for this screenshot (I drop the heat down to 61 °F at night in my house).

I found out that if I clicked on the "TjMax=85" it switched to 0x6F7 which according to processorfinder.intel.com is right for my chip.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4022/realtemp2cu2.gif

Update: I figured it out... you're using two different TjMax values - one of which is incorrect. The one used to calculate the "core temp" is wrong @ 85:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9048/oosp2od0.gif

...but the one used to calculate the "distance from TjMax" is correct:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8352/oopsmq9.gif
03-05-2008, 12:40 AM
i43

can somebody please drop a proper link to ver 2.0
just have downloaded from different posts above, i still get
( \RealTemp_1.1 - ZIP archive, unpacked size 122 302 bytes ) ?
and on load - it does not show v2.0 on its window (top) bar
/ like i can see (mr. graysky ) upper screens /

Thanks :)
03-05-2008, 12:40 AM
emoners

@unclewebb: just out of curiousity, what now if the sensor in 1 core is stuck, does that warrant for RMA?
03-05-2008, 01:08 AM
HDCHOPPER

any chance of supporting pent "D"'s ???

anyways great work unclewebb and your efforts are apperciated
03-05-2008, 03:39 AM
lasershock

Both me and my friend(both of us got our e8400's from the same batch) get 0 sensor movement.

http://image.bayimg.com/gajbbaabc.jpg

Any idea why?
03-05-2008, 05:19 AM
davejohn

Quote:

Originally Posted by i43

can somebody please drop a proper link to ver 2.0
just have downloaded from different posts above, i still get
( \RealTemp_1.1 - ZIP archive, unpacked size 122 302 bytes ) ?
and on load - it does not show v2.0 on its window (top) bar
/ like i can see (mr. graysky ) upper screens /

Thanks :)

Same here. Has 2.0 been pulled?
03-05-2008, 05:38 AM
Retrolock

Here, I've uploaded the realtemp 2.0

http://www.sendspace.com/file/368t2k
03-05-2008, 06:12 AM
t_ski

The zip file was just named 1.1, but the files inside were 2.0. That's how he could keep the link in the first post (and with all the other websites) without changing it.
03-05-2008, 06:33 AM
rusty

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Originally Posted by lasershock

Both me and my friend(both of us got our e8400's from the same batch) get 0 sensor movement.

http://image.bayimg.com/gajbbaabc.jpg

Any idea why?

I got the same 0 sensor movement. What's your batch number by the way?
03-05-2008, 06:39 AM
emoners

my Q746A446 also showed 0-sensor movement...but in core1 only :( what gives? what does it mean? :shrug:
03-05-2008, 07:40 AM
xgman

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Originally Posted by zillaoc

it does ;)

Edit: Thanks for making a kick ass program m8 :)

Finally something that reads my temps correctly. For some reason with my latest bios in this old ars board
core temp read totally random numbers lol...

I'm going to try this with my maximus formula board, but the recent asus boards won't read negative temps at all even in the bios, so I don't think it will wok on my 9650/phase setup.
03-05-2008, 07:41 AM
unclewebb

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...7/RealTemp.zip

The link in post#1 is working fine for downloading version 2.0

Now the question is how many people are having problems with their temperature being reported as DTS=0 or full temperature with version 2.0 as lasershock shows above?

Edit: I think problems were caused by the driver not getting initialized properly and my program not properly checking if it was initialized or not. In Vista you will need to run RealTemp as an Administrator to get it to work properly. Version 2.1 now does proper driver testing and will exit if it can't be found.

lasershock: Did previous versions work fine for you?

graysky: There are two versions of the Q6600, the early B3 and the later G0. I believe that the B3 like yours has a TjMax = 85C and the G0 has a TjMax = 95C. Just because CoreTemp has chosen a TjMax = 100C doesn't make it necessarily true. He has no documentation from Intel to back that up.

With my B2 E6400 I need an Idle Temp Calibration setting of ++ to get proper idle temperatures. If you set your B3 to this setting then do that low temp test again. Your idle temperatures will look very believable. Until someone points an IR gun at a B3 to confirm or deny things, I'm sticking to my TjMax=85C theory.

The Distance to TjMax number is just the raw DTS data read from the processor. How a program chooses to interpret that data will result in different reported absolute temperatures.

Absolute Temperature = TjMax - DTS

RealTemp and CoreTemp choosing TjMax that is 15C different is what causes your temps to be displayed 15C different by these two programs.

emoners: Intel will not do anything about a sensor getting stuck at low temperatures. They don't approve any software that tries to do anything with the data coming from this sensor. The DTS sensor is designed to control thermal throttling so as long as your processor doesn't catch on fire then it is working within the Intel spec and doesn't need to be replaced. If you are unhappy with a stuck sensor then your own recourse is EBay and then you can try and buy another one and see if that is any better.

HDCHOPPER: Unfortunately your 820 processor doesn't have a DTS sensor in it that any program can read the data from. I still think that the 65nm Pentium 4 has a DTS sensor but I haven't got any feedback yet to confirm this.

jaredpace: I disabled the sensor test on mobile processors because they don't have the kind of cooling a desktop processor has. This test is designed for desktop processors only. Did you try previous versions of RealTemp? Were they reading your temperatures correctly on your T7100? Can you post a screen shot? If previous versions worked then I will have to shoot the driver I switched to and bury it.

Are the problems only on Vista or does anyone with XP not have proper temperatures anymore?
03-05-2008, 08:26 AM
DOM.

Is mine okay ?:confused:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...lipboard02.jpg
03-05-2008, 08:31 AM
i43

Thank You unclewebb ! :clap:
got new ver now , just run tests, heres screens if ya like to anlyze ..

MBO: Maximus Extrem / Bios v. 1001 / Air cooling / (No water on NB)
CPU: QX9650 [ Fpo: 742A758 ] (vCore 1.2375v manual in Bios) / Air cooling / TRUE120 / Skytce Minebea 120mm /1600rpm
RAM: CellShock (MSC CS3222580) Air cooling / OCZ XTC Ram cooler)
/ case : Antec P182 / side panel open
opsys : Win XP Pro Sp2

Idle ................... Load ........................ Sensor Check - seems like mine are stuck also :( :shrug:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3...2idldy9.th.png http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7...1loauy7.th.png http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6...t136yq9.th.png
03-05-2008, 08:37 AM
unclewebb

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Originally Posted by Dom7184

Is mine okay ?:confused:

That looks perfect. Sticking DTS sensors was not an issue with the previous 65nm generation of chips. It is only the new 45nm E8x00 processors that seem to be having issues.

Both sensors moving 6 during that test is right in the middle of the normal range. You're probably using some decent cooling as well. With lots of core voltage and a poor cooler you can go over 10 in this test.
03-05-2008, 08:45 AM
DOM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclewebb

That looks perfect. Sticking DTS sensors was not an issue with the previous 65nm generation of chips. It is only the new 45nm E8x00 processors that seem to be having issues.

Both sensors moving 6 during that test is right in the middle of the normal range. You're probably using some decent cooling as well. With lots of core voltage and a poor cooler you can go over 10 in this test.

thanks just wanted to make sure, also im on water ;)
03-05-2008, 08:54 AM
unclewebb

Dom7184: Have you ever tried doing the low temp test where you run at about 1600 MHz and 1.10 volts and check your idle temps. I have a B2 E6400 just like yours and I found that my computer would report below ambient idle temperatures during this test. The ++ idle temp correction adjusts my idle temperatures on that processor back up to reality.
03-05-2008, 09:09 AM
Brama

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Originally Posted by unclewebb

that my computer would report below ambient idle temperatures during this test. The ++ idle temp correction adjusts my idle temperatures on that processor back up to reality.

Sorry for the dumb question: is this adjustement permenent and seen by any program or only done in your RealTemp?

I wish I can adjust the idle temp separately for any core as my E8400 has core0 lower 20 C° than core1 at idle :(

Thanks anyway for this program that allows a new approach in DTS temps measurement.
03-05-2008, 10:08 AM
unclewebb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brama

I wish I can adjust the idle temp separately for any core as my E8400 has core0 lower 20 C° than core1 at idle :(

The idle adjustment only applies to RealTemp reported temperatures. If your idle temps are different between your two cores by 20C then that is a big red flag that core1 is stuck. What does the Test Sensor test show? There is no way to compensate for dysfunctional sensors.

Any user having problems with v2.0 reporting 100C temperatures, just send me a PM and I'll work with you so we can try and find out what is causing the problem. The earlier version of the open source driver might work better.

Quote:

Thanks anyway for this program that allows a new approach in DTS temps measurement.

That's exactly what RealTemp is all about.
03-05-2008, 10:48 AM
unclewebb

I had a look at things and the only thing that I noticed that might be causing problems for users is if the driver is not being loaded properly then the program won't be able to read your temperatures and will display 100C. I added some code to prevent the program from starting up if it has any issues with loading the driver.

The driver might not load in Vista if you are in a limited account.

This is my best guess. Version 2.1 is now available if anyone having problems wants to try these theories.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...7/RealTemp.zip

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