except we have no undeniable facts about K8L, the same could be said about a good few unreleased products. But we have rumors from reliable sources which are probably correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksimp88
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except we have no undeniable facts about K8L, the same could be said about a good few unreleased products. But we have rumors from reliable sources which are probably correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksimp88
Yes . thats what I am basing it on the 45 should scale higher. It not a magic cpu. But it should get Intel closer to the C2D's wall .
Also its been said many times and in many articles that Intel is going to use highk and metal gates on the 45nm process. If true that should give Intel a little head room . As you know Penryn A0 chip booted into windows thats a very promising sign . That 45 nm is going to be good for intel.
On the normal 3.2 to 3.5 O/C your talking about most those guys are using 6600 and 6400 and running into a chipset wall. 6700 & 6800 do very well.
well I admit it may be the chipset or the CPU, though in the past couple years for AMD you could use a $50 mobo and $100 Ram to hit the 3GHZ wall (or 2.6 depending on the core)Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
True AMD M/B are cheaper than Intels because of the chipset and its a more complex M/B . But a 1.83 ghz c2d scales a lot higher than an amd 2.0 ghz. cpu. Now the e4300 bring a whole new pricing into the game as they will scale high with cheap M/B and ram. The one thing that must be remembered is c2d is still rather new. as time passes they are going to get cheaper and cheaper. When the e-4300 drop to $113 in 2nd qt. you will have a intel product that can do 3.2 -3.4 ghz with a $90 M/B and cheap DDR2 667 cheap memory. Its going to be a wonderful low buck system .
actually if I remember correctly lately people have been having troubles overclocking the E4300. Not to mention the fact that the E6300 is actually cheaper than the E4300 right now and actually supports virtualization which is actually very useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
Could you link to were people are having problems O/C 3.2 seems to be very stable. at lower V. .Who wants virtualization for a budget gamer?
As I said when the price settles @ $113 these are going to great budget gamers. You can bet Dell and HP are going to buy tons of these. I am impressed with the performance so far for the first batch.
Back on topic . What do you exspect the first K8L released to be clocked at?Also How high of an o/c you exspecting?
That is for the low end E6300/E6400.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
E6600 is 3.5-4 GHz.All on air of course.
I think you should pay a visit to the Intel side of the forum and see the light...
http://blogs.business2.com/utilitybe...rimming_w.html
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AMD's brimming with quad-core confidence
AMD (AMD) remains confident that the quad-core Barcelona chip for enterprise servers, due at the middle of this year, will deliver a 40 percent performance boost over what's available today – an advantage Intel (INTC) won't be able to match.
I had lunch on Tuesday with Randy Allen, AMD's corporate vice president for servers and workstations, and had a wide-ranging talk about the status of AMD's server business and competition with Intel. Undeterred by the disappointing financial results AMD announced that day, Allen made some bold statements about the company's upcoming quad-core server chip. Here are some key points from our conversation:
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AMD will begin shopping the Barcelona chip around to customers in the April-June time frame (so, in about three months).
Allen thinks Barcelona's advances in virtualization and power management (and other technologies) are so significant that to compete, Intel will have to significantly change its front side bus or micro-architecture – no simple task.
AMD decided two years ago to pursue the current Barcelona strategy, even though it would take six months longer than other options and Intel would almost surely come to market with a quad-core product first. (Intel did, with Clovertown.) AMD believes its quad-core Barcelona design is far more efficient, and that customers will notice.
AMD is hopeful that customers are holding off on purchasing Intel's quad-core product, released in November, based on the fact that Intel didn't say much about it in its most recent earnings call. Yesterday, however, CNET quoted a Mercury Research analyst saying Intel's Clovertown chip is already contributing a meaningful amount of business to Intel.
Allen said Q4 2007 will be when the first real impact of Barcelona comes through in AMD's financial statements. I noted that if the chip does well, it will provide very flattering comparable sales figures to the Q4 results AMD announced this week, which were short of Wall Street's expectations.
Barcelona will have healthy margins, Allen predicted – AMD seems confident that because it will provide such a performance advantage over Intel, price competition won't be as intense.
While he doesn't expect customer uptake to be as quick as the shift from single- to dual-core, Allen said because AMD has made it easy for customers to drop the quad-core solution into their existing equipment, customer acceptance will be rapid and broad-based.
Allen downplayed the significance of Intel's partnership announcement with Sun Microsystems (SUNW) on Monday. Though he admitted that AMD liked being Sun's exclusive provider of x86 chips, he said it seemed to him that the partnership was more about getting Intel to back Solaris than it was about selling a whole lot of servers. He also said this doesn't mean AMD won't still see Sun as a great customer.
My take: Chip makers are, without exception, confident about their upcoming products – so I take everything Allen said with a grain of salt. Still, Allen laid down some very specific claims and projections, particularly the 40 percent performance boost. (When I pressed him on what exactly that 40 percent includes, it was slightly less clear; he mentioned a number of metrics, including performance per watt.)
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Also, it is obviously in AMD's interest to drum up customer curiosity about Barcelona, in hopes that some will hold off on purchasing Intel's quad-core offering, and at least do an Intel/AMD bake-off later this year.
Is Allen's confidence in Barcelona warranted, or is it an attempt to spread anti-Intel FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt)? Time will tell.
Conroe isn't forever. It will reach a limit where a cpu will surpass the desine one day. Like the Power 6/7. Or cell. IBM is the top cpu manufactuer when this comes out. Nobody can denie that fact even if AMD is able to take the number 1 spot in the eyes of the desktop. The server market will be taken by IBM if performance was everything. Intel would be 2nd or 3rd after this happens, but who cares. if you challenge this fact it really shows how loyle you really are as a dog.
Where is AMD and K8L?
Intel can show running systems on 45nm to the people and press:
1) 45nm dual core mobile processor in a notebook with Microsoft Vista running Microsoft Office 2003 applications.
2) 45nm dual-core desktop processor running high definition video content (1080P) under Microsoft Vista. 2.13 GHz
3) 45nm quad-core desktop processor running Ubisoft Rainbow Six Las Vegas game under Microsoft Vista. 1.86 GHz
4) Two 45nm dual-core processors running Glaze Workstation application under Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server. 2.13 GHz
5) Two 45nm quad-core processors encoding a video in Adobe Premier under Microsoft Vista. 2.13 GHz
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2915&p=1
Double...
Shintai why you bolded quad-core :stick: ??
It is logical that if Penryn (dual-core) is functional then 2xPenryn on one substrate will work as well.
Shintai,the master of the off-topic is on the road again!
PS Actually the Turtle1 is the master,the one above mentioned is the 2nd place :D.
45nm quadcores should not be bolted like 65nm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Not really, itīs more a statement on what AMD lacks with their announcement. Since K8L should be about 6-8 weeks infront of Penryn. But maybe itīs because AMD dont have anything to show...Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Also the ES samples are nowhere to be seen, even tho its a serverchip and the boards and new chipsets will require extensive testing and validation.
AMD doesn't send out "mass" ES shipments like Intel does. Instead, they do most of their testing in-house. K8L does not require any new chipsets as it'll be a "drop-in" replacement for current socketF Opties. As long as the mobo manufacturers have built their boards according to AMD's guidelines, testing for compatibility issues will take very little time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Shintai thinks that the whole world should function as intel corp(tm).Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Thank God it's not the case.AMD operates in a different manner,and unlike intel they plan their moves carefully and smart,not giving away what they have too early.It's been that way in the past and it will be that way in the future.
Oooh, yay, they showed off a dumb shrink. Its not that big of a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Oh yea , they plan their moves so right , that's why they have a path laid with past blunders....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Penryn isn't a dumb shrink.It has almost 20% more logic transistors than Conroe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ether.real
There is more in that chip than what was revelead until now.
Yeah it's a wonder chip,we all know that :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
Really mysterious one :rolleyes:Quote:
Penryn, the first 45nm processor (shown above), is largely a Core2 Duo, with some minor enhancements that boost the transistor count to 410M, from 293M for Woodcrest. The most obvious use of transistors will be an extra megabyte of L2 cache, bringing it up to 3MB for desktop parts, while high-end desktop and server designs will use 6MB. In a quad core configuration, using dual chip packaging, this would translate to 6 or 12MB of L2 cache. Penryn will also sport ~50 new SSE4 instructions that are targeted at HPC and media applications. Of these new instructions, roughly 80-90% will be executed in hardware. The remainder, mainly the CRC and string instructions, will be microcoded.
in other words....a slightly enhanced dumb shrink.
kinda like VeniceQuote:
Originally Posted by ether.real
Some people hear should really post under the Intel Section
THIS IS AN AMD THREAD
so stop talking about 6300/4300/6400/Penryn INTEL CRAP
this is a thread about K8L