6hrs to what ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
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6hrs to what ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Who the mystery board maker is.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Keep up to speed George, you need to read back a few pages...LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Xcellent news regardin Sapphire's response to the Caps issue....... :toast: Thanx alot Bigtoe and Gryskull....... :woot:
Another delay? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Still 15 mins to go...?
Cool that means as soon as I finish calc this thing should exist in forum land
Ok, watching closely :D
Well i kept you all waiting for a while, this was not my choice but i can now spill the beans. I'm off on holiday this weekend so was eager to leak this before I left.
Bandied about right now, the name of the new performance ATI crossfire board is......
DFI CF-BT
Thats right DFI CF=crossfire and BT stands for....bigtoe...LOL...BIGTIME
It may not actually get this name, although it is being discussed within the ranks of DFI USA and DFI TW so i remain hopefull as do others who have known about this board for the past 2 weeks.
So there you go boys...its DFI...LOL
Oh man........ :p:
:toast: :toast: :toast:
so this is not the RDX200 ?
Or the RDX200 is not based on the ATI reference design?
So ZZF jumped the gun with the wrong board name? Or is that a completly separate board?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Bigtoe......the DFI CF-BT will be excatly the same as the reference rite ? :D
No its not that board, its based on the black and red reference i posted pics here...some minor changes are being made but its basically the reference board i have shown you all here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxT
i guess the sky blue should have given it away. I mean which other company would do funky colors besides DFI?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Not too confident about their quality control. But since they are using the ATI reference design, it should be aight unless they decide to cut corners too.
I would love to see some pics...
Thanx for the info. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
They will not cut corners on components, that I have been promised. They may do away with the post code reader and replace it with the 4 LED's but thats about all. There is also some trick tweaks going in that should make it even better but I think DFI should tell you those details.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
DFI may end up with 2 crossfire boards if they decide to keep production of RDX200 but I have a feeling this board may be dropped...time will tell.
I have been promised the skyblue(maybe) special will be available to test before the end of this month....can't wait!!!
Great info.....thanx again bigtoe :woot:
in that case I might have to delay my upgrade plans...Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Heh, but is the board going to carry the Lanparty name or not?
No idea m8Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
Wow another DFI ah? Didn't see that one coming, thought it was going to be one of ATI's smaller partners.
Thanks for the heads up tho me thinks October is upgradin time, just gotta decide which mobo to go for :p:
sweet... i had originally thought the RX200 and the nf4 2x16 DFI board would solve dfi's reliablity issues (which are well known to me)
this makes me even more confident... i am most curious to see if the new nf4 or the CF-BT wins.. these next few months will be interesting indeed.
Another question: you speak about "preproduction board" here, any information how long until the board comes into retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
I was told October, i did mention this ealrier with prerelease end of this month.
DFI is on top of it. They are the only maker of true performance boards in my opinion, lookin forward to this mobo and very glad to have you involved with this bigtoe :woot:
Oh ya and as far as colors go I'd drop the skyblue. SOunds too much like the Sapphire board. If it was exactly like your ATI reference that would be best, that board looks bad ass http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...cons/icon6.gif
LOL BT edition :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
we wait and seeQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
would be cool to have a motherboard named after you...
Well, there's this line from a movie, can't remember the name....
"If you build it, they will come."
If they do it as you say, we WILL buy. But if they put your "BT" on it, it better be good... :fact:
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
"If you build it, they will come." :D
Could be. Hehehehehehe...
RGone...
Well, honestly, most of us here know what's needed in a board, and are willing to pay for it. It's not a matter of it being a dream board...it just a matter of it being what it should have been in the first place. The guys here greatly influence the market...i think OCZ is well aware of this fact. If you can please this crowd...
this is sapphire's problem...i mean really...if that board had/will come out...exactly as it first appeared here, it would have rocked the world. Seriously. Provided onboard video on a ultra-high quality, 350HTT board, means all those people that hold off on the high-end boards becasue of needing a vidcard would buy it...i'm not talking the clockers here, but the average overclocker, who buy's a 6200 or x300...workstations...most of them will be willing to forgo the $80-120 they spend on a vidcard becasue it means less hassle and all that crap...People who don't need ultra-high-end vidcards....that's the majority of the market.
Provide a good board, when your rep for vidcards is already decent, and you will sell alot. Period. Your rep from the board will almost mean they buy one of your vidcards for upgrade when needed...
But someone got coldfeet on the chipset cost... :slapass:
You don't need to make a large profit on each unit... :nono: you just need to sell lots of units. :fact:
DFI seem to realize this. 6 borked DFI boards going all the way back from NF2 days, and i still buy thier product, as do so many others. WHY?
Who's the dolt at Sapphire who doesn't get it? :stick: He should be fired. :fact:
bigtoe man,... rotfl, that would be funny if they named it after you, Props to dfi for keeping it real, at the same time, it would be cool too, after all, abit named their silly board after that one guy.... twiddle. Do you know what the release date is bigtoe? I need that board before the 2nd weekend of oct. for a major event we have planned :) Once again, dfi just damn owns everyone. wtf is wrong with all the other companies? I think if they aren't serious in releasing a performance board, just forget about it. I know I wouldn't be wasting my R&D dollars on something and NOT make it worth it. Btw, that movie is called Field of Dreams, heh.
forgive me for not wanting to troll through 33 pages to find answers to a couple of questions, but...
Is October still the possible release date?
Is it still looking to be as good as was anticipated?
can we get the first post edited with important info?
thanx, just an anxious overclocker ready for opti 939 and a grouper
a screen shot of the new board would just make my day...
As long as its name had -BT at the end of it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Thanks BT & DFI :toast: :clap:
i wouldn't count sapphire out of the equation just yet. dfi's track record for timely releases and quality control hasn't always been the best. last to the nf2 party, last to the nf3-939 party.Quote:
Originally Posted by fareastgq
[QUOTE=loonym]i wouldn't count sapphire out of the equation just yet./QUOTE]
If their boards comes to market with crap caps or even any cut corners they WILL be out of the equation, period :fact:
Somewhere near end of Sept when ATI puts the show on the road to the public> I expect a great number of ATI chipset boards will appear. It will be until then really before the real truth comes out and myself I seldom put stock in reviews until some of you guys get them in your hands. I sort of am old fashioned and need to be 'cited' as the old folks say.
What I can say is that we have pulled every string that I know to keep the DFI board that BigToe is referring to> on track and componentry equal or better than a sample board.
Is it holding to all of that? I have not seen one yet and will not for some weeks as DFI is working out the last of the niggles. There should be a time at end of Sept or close when I will see the real deal. Trying to ensure that happens even at this instant in history. I know what I want to see and will know if I got it, when I see the boards.
You will know for sure as soon as BT and I see our boards. Thank you all for your consideration.
RGone...
thanks RGone. Like the sapphire board, i look forward to seeing what comes out. I'll be waiting...
lol haven't seen u out of the street for sometime now Rgone.. :)
thnx for the info
this is going to turn into "BT First Look" thread.
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Originally Posted by RGone
Thank you Bigtoe & Rgone,you all deserve a big CHEERS :toast: !
RGone:
I have a very good feeling about this DFI CF-BT mobo; the same feeling I had with the socket 754 LP UT nF3 and it turned out to be a stellar motherboard *still is too*
The DFI nF4 are great overclockers but sometimes difficult to setup due to some of it's bugs even for the experienced.Once setup it's awesome tho :)
I'm sure the CF-BT is going to be a lot more bug free and easier to setup and very easy to OC .
Looks like another DFI all of fame OC mobo comming our way !
Nanobot man I see you are a man after my own thinking. We as the overclocking nutso's cannot buy enough boards to make it worth a companies efforts. But just from seeing what BT did to the NF4 704-2BTA.bin bios yesterday> you can have all the 'tweaks' and boot up with just about anything memory wise and as said > all the tweaks as well as long as the board is speed capable.
So yes we want the ROCKET MONSTER features. I know what they should look like and BT and I have held out for all we can get. The proof though will come when I start to take the board up the scale. Thanks for you knowledgeable understanding of what is really needed. Bootable and tweakable. Thank you.
RGone...
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Originally Posted by Nanobot
grrrr... just when i swore id never buy DFI again....they go and make this.
:toast: DFI, you just might have pulled your butt out of the fire (in my book)...
as much as i love to be the "first on the block" when it comes to hardware, something tells me im going to have to sit back and watch these new mobos / R520 cards for a while :(
how would one go about getting an engineering sample of the DFI CF-BT?
I don't wanna wait..I wanna see how far it will overclock...
I am looking forward to seeing the DFI CF-BT. I know what the plan is for this motherboard and I think it will definitely be a fine piece of hardware. DFI is spending a lot of time and effort to come up with the perfect combination for the enthusiast and the gamer. They are designing their latest set of motherboards with a vigor and enthusiasm that impresses me.
well i hope it has 6-8x SATAII 300 ports at least :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
And most importantly enough SPACE between the DIMM slots :cool:
huh? was about to RMA crucial Ballistix that stopped booting? Actuall I should since it is having issues on my other comps too. Memory killer it is... I hope the new ones aren't. It only burnt about 6 gig of memory on me so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by RGone
Another review
but a pretty basic one. The guy thinks this board has 1.55V for the cpu voltage. Who lets these people review stuff? Hell, i could do a better job. :mad:
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Originally Posted by MaxT
Is it the first time this guy use a A64 mobo or something is wrong with the bios ?Quote:
BIOS: CPU voltages lacking: CPU voltage options top out at 1.55V in the PI-A9RX480’s BIOS. 1.55V just isn’t enough juice for an enthusiast looking to push every last MHz out of his processor. The really weird thing is that Sapphire provides voltage settings up to 4.0V for the memory.
It’s almost as if Sapphire is saying it’s okay to overclock your RAM but not your processor.
http://www.techpowerup.com/printrevi...apphire/Gruper
No, the guy in the FS article was right...the CPU voltage does only go upto 1.55v in the current bios, but only because Sapphire haven't added in the % over-vid options yet. ;)Quote:
The easiest way to get a few more MHz out of your CPU, is by increasing the Core voltage. Sapphire's motherboard is one of the few boards to allow undervolting. Minimum voltage is 0.825 V, in steps of 0.025 V you can go up to 1.550 V, which isn't that much for the more extreme people. From a hardware perspective the board can easily support over 2.0 VCore. The BIOS option for an "offset" voltage was not in this tested BIOS. A few days later we got a new one with the options, but they did not work. It was possible to change the offset voltage via software, so it's just a matter of time until Sapphire gets this working in the BIOS.
yes, but anyone reading that article won't know it was lacking the % over vid, thus demand will go down
this can be good and bad, good, where demand goes down, so does price, but..
where demand goes down, they might also make less, so supply goes down, and price goes up....
I think I shall get the DFi not the Sapphire then
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Originally Posted by situman
does anyone listen?
the bios killed the board not hte caps..
it was a known issue with the bios xbit used...
with so many bios revision already, there still such a serious bug, shouldn't it worry you one bit? Besides, why only that one and brand burst? It only means its not a quality cap like the sanyos and the other brand.
well, that's why it's not released yet, but, sending one out so early prolly wasn't a hot idea
I would like to hear more about the CF aspects but suspect this info is still under wraps. Wondering if each card will run at x8 like current SLI or if each will be allowed to run full x16.
Thanks to Tony for the info (hurry back so you can shed some more light) and to Grayskull for adding clarity.
I have seen even high quality cap bust. Even high quality cap makers have defects here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
true, but its a better peace of mind to know that all the caps are of high quality.
Grayskull has been very forthcoming and frank in his disscusions here and i tend to trust him when he says the caps on sapphire boards will be up to standards.
well he didn't actually say that, he said they would look into it. reguardless, I think I'll stick with dfi now. also, grayskull works for ati, not sapphire. which reminds me, why not make a built by ATI board? forget all that sapphire jazz. U guys have BBATI cards alrdy.
The chipset only supports 22 Lanes (iirc). 16*2=32 so I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snafu
Hehe...
http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.ph...k=view&id=1779
Haha...go bigtoe! :banana:Quote:
An insider near DFI reported that the company is working on an ATI Crossfire board, which will be based on the reference design. The board name, although unofficial, is DFI CF-BT where CF stands for Crossfire and BT is supposedly the abbreviation of an industry consultant Tony Leech who’s been working with DFI for the past four years and is on DFI’s "advisory board" for research and development. According to an insider, he’s been assisting DFI with research and development aspects of the board, and DFI is supposedly honoring Leech by naming a board after him. With that said, DFI USA and DFI Taiwan are still discussing the board name.
cheer to bigtoe :toast: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentVX
yeah man......go bigtoe :toast:
To cool you off a bit, this is tomshardware, but awful to hear nonetheless:
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...08_131203.html
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Along with the new graphics chips, Crossfire, ATI's multi-graphics chip technology is prepped for launch, according to sources. However, while Crossfire was expected up until last week to become a cheaper alternative to Nvidia's SLI, quite the contrary appears to be the case. Sources indicated that a typical, Xpress 200 chipset-equipped board, will not be priced below the $200 mark at launch.
Even if it was true and verified to be true by GOD (if there is one), out of principle, due to THG previous record of blatent lies and intel fanisn I would STILL consider the article to be 99% BS and 100% biased :fact: :rolleyes: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
uhhh biased towards what? this article isn't comparing anything. Also, it said "sources told..." Ofcourse take it with a grain of salt. But the biased part, I am not sure what you are talking about. Also, the part about xfire boards costing around 200 holds some merits. Most reviews of the Sapphire Grouper board has a suggested retail price of about $179. So it is not surprising for xfire to be 200+.
lol no way it will be that much, sure maybe in the first month when demand is high, but costs for motherboards just arent that high, especially when northbridges dont even have memory controllers.
I don't care if it costs 200+ or 300+ if it can my 3800+ X2 to 3Ghz...
ANd I believe BigToe when he says it is a good board...
BUt you missed that he said the DFI was better...and at the suggested price, the DFI is cheaper too. So why would you buy it? you are gonna spend extra on an inferior board? :stick:
If you read the whole thing you would see that I said I was going to get the DFI instead
I did miss that. :slap:
if the DFi is a big of a beast as bigtoe says I think everyone here might think about upgrading...
i doubt it will be that much of an upgraded compared to the DFi NF4 boards. If the ATI version is that much better, who's gonna buy the Nvidia boards?
no-one...that is Ati's plan i guess...DFI don't care if it's there Nvidia or Ati boards that are bought, as long as they get bought.
Not all of the new boards are gonna be crossfire, are they?
And another thanks to bigtoe for all the work and info. :toast:
Now that is about as truthful as it gets. Note: I am only filliing in while BT is out relaxing and he deserves it or his wife one. Hehehehe. I am only trying to check and make sure the thoughts do not fade too far off into left field while BT is away.Quote:
An insider near DFI reported that the company is working on an ATI Crossfire board, which will be based on the reference design. The board name, although unofficial, is DFI CF-BT where CF stands for Crossfire and BT is supposedly the abbreviation of an industry consultant Tony Leech who’s been working with DFI for the past four years and is on DFI’s "advisory board" for research and development. According to an insider, he’s been assisting DFI with research and development aspects of the board, and DFI is supposedly honoring Leech by naming a board after him. With that said, DFI USA and DFI Taiwan are still discussing the board name.
Those of you that have followed this thread SINCE it started need to remember what BT has said as the times went by. There were updates to what he said. Things moved and progressed. What he mentioned; before leaving, about DFI making an ATI CF-BT board is reality. It likely bears no resemblance to the first things BT talked about. This is a current board and likely a good deal removed from all you have seen leaked/tipped up until now.
At this time I have not seen the board to be built. I have taken 'for myself' and photo-shopped the board along the lines of what is being proposed and am blown away. Their are many ancillary items already to go as nearly as I can tell and the whole proposition really is mind-boggling at least to me. So much is proposed that I have even contemplated a totally see-thru case and that for me who does not even care about lights.
Even today and certainly before BT left we have held out for nothing but the best as we understand it and NO real variance from the standard. That means I have no clue how close it will come but the board I hear being proposed is a giant step for DFI. A monster step for a company that I affectionately say already builds some ROCKET MONSTERS. IMO so you don't miss me saying 'affectionately'.
So all I can really say is that the 'thread' that has wound rather tightly thru all this since May and the beginning of thread > must needs be considered. That gentlemen is the board I am hoping and waiting for. If that appears > well I will be more than pleased from all I am able to understand.
So I have chosen to not speculate passed the point of wanting and hoping and coercing for nothing but the best. And I will know when I see hopefully one of the pre-pro boards in a few weeks. Just remember the silver thread that has been set forth by BT and you will know why I too got excited. And thank you all for your continued show of interst.
RGone...
this looks like a pretty straight forward statement...Quote:
Originally Posted by fareastgq
i'm not necessarily anti-dfi but i take a wait and see attitude towards quality where they are concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Someone PLEASE tell me if there is going to be a mobo with integrated IGP
I dont care much for Crossfire,I'd rather have the IGP chipset mobo so an affordable OC destop/HTPC can be made out of it;like the original Grouper was supposed to have !
dosn't have to compare to anything, just talk down one side, and i can't believe ppl still resource themQuote:
Originally Posted by situman
i too am excited for this dfi cf-bt, i just hope we're not let down
I pray for no onboard graphics, good caps, excellent voltage options, 4 sata2 ports, and dual x16 support but I will settle for dual x8.. Put two graphics cards in there just so that I can game with 4 monitors....
Now that would sweet...
well if you don't want onboard gfx and it have it,just disable it in bios ^^
^^^ Yeah, but nn step would still have to fork over a little more of his hard earned money for something he/she would probably never use.
Due to DFI's past experience in OC friendly boards that DO perform and with the HUGE bonus of ppl like Osker Wu and BT writing/optimising bios's on an ongoing basis plus IMO proven quality,........... when it finally comes time to make a choice between DFI and Sapphire and actually put your money on the table ---- Who are you going to trust ?
ITS A NO BRAINER :) :fact:
Not DFI right now. It only killed 6gb worth of memory so far for me...
I hope DFI wont be using the ATI southbridge for the CF-BT like they are with the UT RDX200.
Will the Sapphire Grouper come in blue or in white, how on the pictures?
^sapphire grouper will look like every the many picture of sapphire grouper in this thread, or in the many reviews its had.
ouch that's one bad run of luck there :(Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
i've tested over 40+ GB of ram on 2x DFI NF4 SLI-D and 1x DFI NF4 SLI-DR not one module has died and 55-60% of the modules are original BH-5/6 or UTT BH-5 heh
Maybe you don't leave them in there long enough for damage to be done :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentVX
:D :slap: could be...Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentVX
while dfi is, without a doubt, the premier manufacturer of enthusiast boards, i'm sure there are more than a few ppl who are a little gun-shy after playing with their 939 boards.
You mean him/heQuote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
and trust me, I the only features that I never have used on a mobo is those damn sound chips.. Heard them once and said screw that and bought a Creative gamer...
and did you guys even see the specs on the intergrated graphics chip...
It doesn't even hold a candle to a 9200 let alone two 7800gtxs (provided the R520 doesn't show up by mid oct)