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There's no 3500+ sandiego :nono: the San-diego model started at 3700+ to 4000+, if you want a 3500+ you can get with Venice, I don't know where you get that 3500 sandiego from :stick: :confused: it doesn't existed :nono: :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
just spoke with a Sparco rep. who confirmed that their huge shipment of 3000+ Venice CPUs should be arriving today. once they get scanned in and I see them in stock I'll oder
:woot:
I thought the 3500+ Diego had 1mb L2 w/ 512kb disabled? So it's similar to those 3500+ clawhammers we've been seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
There IS a 3500 San Diego with 512 cache l2.... it just wasn't foreseen
I got an email from sparco saying that the ETA on my 3000+ had been changed from 4-18 to 4-22 :(
NCIX ETA is May 15th now http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=AMD
I believe thats correct :D And thats also why we won't see them at first. AMD will wait to see how many 3700+ and 4000+ they sell in the initial push before they get the clippers out and neuter those puppies :slapass: to make the 3500+ w/512kb L2Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaWreck
Now I don't feel so bad about ordering my Winnie
I guess we will be lucky is sparco gets Venice by the end of the week.
Deadlines come, and deadlines pass, yet we dont have venice!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Athlon64 3500+ Venice: 2.2Ghz L2-cache=512 0.09µQuote:
Originally Posted by NinjaWreck
Athlon64 3700+Sandiego: 2.2Ghz L2-cache=1024 0.09µ
:stick: there's no 3500+ Sandiego, and it never will :nono: whoever told you about 3500+ Sandiego, that persone don't know what he talked about :nono: :slap:
http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A80G731 :nono: :fact:
read the product code THERE IS A 3500+ SAN DIEGO
don't be so hard with your word AMDfan, you might have to eat it later. I read this forum all the way from beginning and it seems like there will be a 3500+ sandy, just like there is a 3500+ claw. When it comes out no one knows but it is a possibility.
there is a 3500+ diego, its just 512k cache cause some of it was defective. I keep seeing the eta for venice and diego get pushed back more and more, causing many to give up and buy a 3000+ winny and be done with it
HORRIBLE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :( :( :( :( :(
http://anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24118
ANANDTECH is not usually wrong so................ :( :( :(
looks like Monarch was right about May 4th, and that is for OEM. According to monarch, retail versions ship the 20th of May!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( :(
This is BS! Sparco still doesn't have them in stock. OH THE AGONY! :gay:
I think Sparco let you guys down :fact: :fact:
strange, Sparco is still saying the 18th
http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A80G931
maybe they havn't updated thier site yet.
Does the 3500+ San-Diego has 1Mb L2 cache as its bigger brothers?
Regards,
hombre
no, think of it as a crippled sandy. They disabled half the cache.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hombre
Sparco just sent me an e-mail saying they are out of stock until April 22. I knew this was gonna happen and I'm pretty sure Sparco's going to keep pushing the date back further and further.
The E-tailors and distributers should cut the crap and tell us when Venice is coming. If I have to wait till may 20th, I will buy a winnie now. If it comes out around the end of april, I willl wait.
I'm ready to bet there's no 3500+ Sandigo :nono: Sparco.com made misstaked by puted 3500BN and if ya guys think there's will be a 3500 Sandiego, so tell me what's the different of spec gona be betwin the 3500 Venice and 3500 sandiego then ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fzero
I know for sure the 3500 Venice will have 2.2Ghz and 512-L2-cache (MMX(+)3DNow!(+),SSE,SSE2,SSE3 x86-84) :fact: How about ya 3500 Sandiego ???? :confused:
There's no way I can wait till the 20th to get a retail venice. NO WAY. And I won't buy an OEM version. Sparco HAS TO PULL THROUGH.
:gamer: :para: :hm:
Dude that sounds kinda unlikely if you just do a search on froogle for ADA3500BNBOX. You mean to say 11 etailors got it wrong? :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
Or you can order a winnie like I am going to do :D
from what i have bin told is that the 3500 San Diego is a 3700+ that half the cache failed and other then wasteing a perfectly good cpu they jus re binned them with 512L2 cache
hah still dont have any news bout vence here in Malaysia. maybe have to wait longer than u guys.
I think the thread title says it all.
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24118
This is turning into ATHLONGWAIT 64 :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:
God I hope that Sparco comes through for me here...I don't know how much longer I can stand to wait...I'm seriously thinking about returning this mobo and picking up a P4/mobo combo instead because I'm tired of waiting... :slap: :slap:
I'm looking for a used 3500+ winnie as I speak. Fvck it... :soap:
i think they are just basing that off monarch
good lord....I hope spacro won't delay any longer! :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
Where are you getting the 20th from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
Just called sparco and they are still awaiting shipment, but the shipment is scheduled and "IN TRANSIT" is what the guy told me. Also from what he told me 3000+ bpbox processors are being checked into the warehouse. So once their all inventory'd they'll start fulfilling orders.
Just called sparco and they are still awaiting shipment, but the shipment is scheduled and "IN TRANSIT" is what the guy told me. Also from what he told me 3000+ bpbox processors are being checked into the warehouse. So once their all inventory'd they'll start fulfilling orders.
hallowed, that's for the E4 (San Diego) I believe. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think anandtech is talking about San Diego's release according to Monarch, not Venice which I believe is E3.
I'm geting very confused with all that Athlon64 :( 2 days ago I din't see any 3500 Sandiego, and now ya guys talking about 3500 Sandiego, it doesn't make any sense that 3500 Sandiego :confused: :mad: the Venice and Sandigo are the same CPU-core, the only diffrent is Venice have 512-L2-cache, and Sandigo have 1024-L2-cache, now we have the 3500 venice with 2.2Ghz and 512-L2-cache, and we have the 3700 Sandigo which have 2.2Ghz and 1024 L2-cache, if really AMD realease an 3500 Sandiego, what's the diffrent of this model and the 3500 Venice ? :confused: I would like to heard something that make sense :argue: :hm: :hrhr:
You got it :thumbsup: they was talking about E4 Sandiego,(realease in May-4th) the Venice E3 should be avalable the April-22th or24th :slobber: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyyy
I ll just give sparco a quick e-mail right now....... ;)
Then why'd I get an e-mail saying that they won't stock until the 22nd? What's going on here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Radelon
I think Radelon is pulling our legs ;)
Just called Sparco, they said they could be in the warehouse, but since the warehouses are so huge they haven't been scanned in yet. They will know better tommorow if they have them and if they don't they will get a new date from AMD tommorow. By the way, apparently people have been calling them all day asking about the status, they were very nice though.. :)
I have a 3500 Venice on backorder..
Yeah...I got about the same thing from the Sparco Rep when I just called as well...they've been taking calls (probably mostly from XS people ha!) all day in regards to the shipment comming in...said they've called out to the warehouse a couple times to check status and while they didn't confirm delivery of these chips specifically their warehouse said they got all the expected shipments in today, and is working on processing them, and scanning them in...Rep seemed optimistic, said I should expect my 3700+ to ship from the warehouse tomorrow, but to check back tomorrow afternoon to confirm
Guess we'll find out tomorrow...not getting worried about it yet, seems a logical enough explanation for everything so far /shrug
Personaly, I think in about 2 or 3 more days, we all gona be able to get our hands on the Venice core :clap: :banana: :toast:
Just because it's a San Diego it doesn't mean that it have all 1024 kB L2 cache enabled, I thought everybody knew this by now... :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
Read the thread.
amdfan, 3500+ sandy is just 3700+ sandy with failed cache so AMD just rebin it. Kinda like 3500+ claw. I mean there is a 3500+ newcastle already why would they release 3500+ claw? There is no difference between the two except one is sandy core and one is venice core. same clock and cache. btw, how much are you willing to bet?
I'm new here but so far I've seen the exact same question being asked repeatedly regarding the 3500 San Diego, the theories and answers can be found on both this and the Prepare for San Diego thread, maybe someone ought to put a sticky with the title "3500 San Diego detail" or something to help fellow members who refused to or didn't have time to read through these long thread?? :confused:
I'm tire of AMD with all they stepping :( it just pissed me off :mad: I think I just let it go :bows: :woot:
Buy Intel :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
lol ya go buy intel where you need almost 2GHz more then a A64 to get the same performance :p:
Exactly what I'm doing. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fzero
i should correct myself wih exception to the Dothan
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Originally Posted by AMDfan
IMO, because of all their steppings and that's why I think most OC'er prefer AMD over Intel, especially for hardcore gamers. more options is always a good thing in my book :p: though I'll give credit where credit due though, when it comes to multimedia encoding/decoding and office applications, AMD still can't touch Intel....yet.
Does anyone know if the DFI 1/25 BIOS which is shipping with the boards right now can boot up with venice?
Yes it can
may I ask why you are so sure?
if from what i read in another forum is true, sparco doesn't necessary handle shipping the cpu. they might have the distributor or the warehouse ship directly to the customers. man if that's the case, i wish sparco will ask the ingram micro near me to ship the cpu. or i can go to ingram and pick up the cpu. i think right now, the cpus are sitting at ingram micro and they're scanning and sorting different models out. if sparco ships orders out tomorrow, i hope they use the ingram micro near me :). i'm going to call them first thing tomorrow morning.
sparco now has the same ETA as monarch. :(
yea check the live availibility says may 6.... :mad:
That may just be for OEM
geez, that sucks. the wait is too much. i hate to cancel with sparco again :(. i thought amd roadmap shows april as the release date for venice. what gives :(. this really blows.
And now the retail 3500 Winnies are gone.. Only OEM left. Plenty of Clawhammer 3500 boxes and even Newcastle 3500 boxes.
no i checked for ada3000bpboxQuote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
You can all bet I'm calling Sparco today and complaining. 3 guys told me this week for sure, so they flat out lied to me which is bad business.
Gentlemen; the shiat has softly and gently hit the fan. That is all...
:smileysex :hump:
i'm going to call too. i can't stand this and i can't wait anymore. all the parts are gathering dust.
In an unusual display of self control, I cancelled the sparco order and pre ordered a 3700+ from Monarch. I didn't realize how cheap this processor actually is.
In the meantime I'm running a Geforce FX5200 because I sold my agp 6800 ultra thinking sparco would have shipped the procs by today and bought a geforce 6800 gt PCI-e here on the forums... I can only play CS 1.6
GOD HELP ME :slap:
i cancelled my pre-order with sparco too. i think they'll be getting alot of cancellations today. that's too bad for them. i'll just wait for these cpus to be available for sure before i place an order again. i can't believe amd is not holding their promise on a release. roadmap clearly says april for Venice :(.
I don't understand, how can Spanko flat out lied to us till the end of the Due date? a bunch of people including myself called them yesterday afternoon to check on the status, and all of us were being told that the "shipment" was being enroute and in transit to their warehouse, well...don't know what happened to that "shipment" now, I guess it just magically evaporated into thin air, or maybe it got hi-jacked somehow. :bananal:
We got changed info on a site here in sweden that has them for pre-order.
They say 3200+ ships next week from AMD.
And one week after that 3000 + 3500. 3800 + 4000 will be shipped.
A few UK sites say they expect delivery on 25 April, but I certainly wouldn't rely on it.
which one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
http://www.sbs.o.se/ ? That's the only site in sweden where you can preorder a venice as far as i know.
because he has a venice and other than you he READ all the infos about venice where it has been mentioned dozens of times that it works on all exisiting boards without a bios update :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
because they are stupid and think they get more attention and customers that way, in the end they lost a lodad of customers who will probably never buy from them again... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
i have a feeling europe will get the new core first venice/diego. after reading tomshardware about amd manufacturing process and it says that all cpus are coming from dresden, that's an indication we'll be second or last to get anything new :(. why do you always get stuff late? this sucks. time to order a 3200+ winchester then.
What is the added benefit to getting a Venice say 3800+ over a san diego 3700+
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Originally Posted by dng29
I thought almost all of them are being manufactured in Malaysia?
hmmm, if they are coming from Dresden then the UK date of 25 April that some stores are claiming might be accurate. One can only hope....
We had 26th this month as date on SBSdata but that was changed today.
So i guess AMD has a delay.
Are the cores manufactured in Dresden and the CPU package assembled in Malaysia?
:woot: monarch computer have them :)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ory_Code=AMD64
ships on 22 April apparently
.........on preorder.
does monarch charge you now for the pre order even the due date is on May 20th?
:dammit: I though we could get those Venice sooner, Igot my DFI SLI-DR, ordered from Newegg.com, and I've puted my PC for sale,(the one ya see on my signature) and I sold it today, now I don't have nomore PC, into my DFI and that 3500+ Venice be avalable, I want to get me an X950XT to go with DFI & Venice 3500, but it won't be avalable into June, so I guess I'm going to get me an x600 pci-e, while watting for the X950XT be release :slobber: No more PC for AMDfan for rightnow, even I will get my DFI SLI-DR board, tomorow, I won't be able to do anything with it :( :mad: :dammit:
Why would you get the SLI version of the board with an ATI card?
cuz that's one of the best OC mobo you can get, SLI or not. :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by crafty
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...gory_Code=NA_2
Monarch new arrivals page linked above shows only 2 CPU's to ship this week - 3800 Venice and 4000 SanDiego - both in OEM versions. All others won't ship until May 6 at the earliest for OEM's, and May 20 for PIB. I am waiting for the 3700 San Diego so I guess it will be a while yet.
-The Mad Duke
for those tired of waiting to get a venice, just grab a $120 3000+ winny off ebay to tide you over so at least you have a rig to game and work with!
Yes the cores are made in Dresden, shipped air to Malaysia to be put on OPD and shipped. Mind you this is all a scam to avoid TAXES, ship cores listed way undervalue to Malaysia, then ship finished items from Malaysia to EU/USA at near retail price. Sales in EU/USA taxed on tiny profit from Malay price to EU/USA retail, while bulk of AMD profit comes from business in Malaysia where they have huge tax exemption after bribing Malay govt.
Intel etc do the same. bunch of fking scum if you ask me.
Malay operations nearly totally automated and require barely any labor, there is NO reason to have the plants in Malay other than to hide profits from EU/USA taxes, the labor content is tiny and even at $50/hr for workers in EU/USA they'd still add only $1 to the cost of the chip @ retail.
The outsourcing is not about LABOR ocsts, its about hiding profits from the taxman.... $hundreds of billions worldwide across all industries (not just electronics).
Sorry...off soapbox now :mad:
PS: Think about the long term National security and economic security risks of having the bulk of critical chip manufacture in potentially unstable/unfriendly thirdworld countries. All for the sake of hidng some profits from the taxman.
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Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
scratch that....don't want anymore winny, for now I'm going into "hibernation mode" to keep me sane till the Venice or SD available for real :D :D
that what i intended to do. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
For $146 dollars just ordered me a 3000+ Winnie with free 2nd say shipping and free 10 pack of 4xdvd-R from one of the popular retailers here. Just so I can get up and running. Ill either e-bay it at the when I get my newer chip or keep it as a backup.
w00t cant wait
ive done pretty much the same as amdan and sold my pc and waitinf for all the new stuff to come out (venice/san diego and X950) before i buy anything else :(
+10 !!!! :clap: :banana: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
We have waited only 15 days from the 4th to today. The 6th of may, the best possible ETA, is 17 days away. Crew this, I will get a winnie now and buy a dual core later.
:slobber: :slobber: I guess I'm going to get me a 3800+ Venice OEM version, I don't need Box or fan, so it doesn't matter ;) I will pay an extra 15$, to get 3 years garanty, I need to get that Venice really badly :slobber: :slobber: Can't stand it, with-out PC :( :mad: Tomorow the buyer of my PC will stope by my place to get it, so I will be naked into my DFI-SLI-DR, 3800+VENICE and the Furtur X950XT or if they won't release it by June, then I will get me 2x 6800 Ultra Extrem 512Mb of DDR3, and Fly on SLI :slobber: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Duke
Why would you want the 3800+ venice over the 3700+ Sandy?
Jeez, I've been out all today doing stuff and I had a feeling this was going to happen. I thought just maybe I would come home and see that my order from sparco had been shipped, but no! I think I'll be canceling my order with sparco also and just grab one when the trusty egg gets them.
Wow I almost sold my winnie too! I really feel for you guys that sold your stuff depending on this release date. The thing that really gets me is that some of you talked to people at sparco and they backed-up the ETA date. LOL think of how many people have canceled orders from sparco in the last few hours, all sparco has done is increase their monthly bandwidth bill. :slap: :D
Yeah TRYING to play BF: Vietnam on a FX5200 is NO FUN... :sick: :cussing:
Just got the order confirmation from Monarch, but look at this:
Cancellations on PARTS ORDERS:
- You may request a cancellation of your order,
provided your order has not already been processed
and shipped. Cancellations must be emailed to
cancel@monarchcomputer.com within 30 minutes of
placing your order. Cancellations placed after this
period of time may result in a 15% restocking fee
against your store credit.
uhmm.....yea, how are you suppose to restock a product that you don't even have in stock! I don't know if this rule apply to pre orders or not but it doesn't sound too good :nono:
that dosnt mean THEY WILL take out 15% that just means they might trust me all local shops have the same rule ;) dosnt mean they enforce it trust me after 3 winnies and 1 psu i never got charged a restocking fee