Yes, I have had Dothan with a bus for some time now.
I have requested permission to post an image of my devel board, I am under NDA. I will not be able to post benchmarks.
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Yes, I have had Dothan with a bus for some time now.
I have requested permission to post an image of my devel board, I am under NDA. I will not be able to post benchmarks.
Devel board... nevar heard of one.
FUGGER didnt know you still got the Dothan... how many setups you got :D
Developer board.
I have too much to get to, I had hoped to get the 570J fired up on the DFI 925XE today to take down the super pi record.
Permission granted:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=27734&stc=1
DDR2 SODIMM 533
PCIexpress
Socket 479
Check out the clearance around the CPU socket :D
Board name and model to be announced later w/ specs. Memory may type may change as well. More memory slots available on the back of the board.
Weird looking board, not seen one of them like that before. I like the flat design of the ram slots and how they are fitted in there.
Is it me or do you have a shed load of Centon memory. IIRC, the server for this place has 2gb's of Centon mem in it and so does your P4 rig by the looks of your sig. Nevar really took intrest to Centon mem tbh. Always looked at Gskill and OCZ TCCD and the usualy tight timmings stuff ;)
I see the 4 mounting screws around your Dothan :D
Good luck if you do try to take down the Super PI record :toast:
Centon was able to provide the special build ram for me. I asked other companies for samples as well but Centon was able to pull it off in time.
Gets worse, my other board coming up for exposure is also loaded with Centon DDR2
oh great, now I have another board to look forward to and torture me till my next setup! :eek:
Thanx for the inside look Fugger. Can't wait to make a little dothan setup!
hmm, sodimms on a desktop board, i'll pass. i think that the company that you are testing for should put dimms for a cheapter tco, and larger compatibility as well dimms having MUCH faster speeds (fastest dimm is pc4800, stock, fastest sodimm i've seen is pc3200 stock). this seems like a downgrade because space isnt really at a premium here
I was looking at some PM specs and wondered if there's something special with the 730?
Edit: All the other 7x0/533/C0 revision have SL7xx sSpec.
The 730 is unique with having SL8xx. :confused:
Any ideas?
Does a 7x0 overclock better?
the SL6xx have 1MB L2 cache banias core only 400 BusSpeed
the SL7xx have 2MB L2 cache dothan core both 400 & 533 BusSpeed
Dunno what's with the SL8xx
Maybe you buy one and tell us :D
Yeah I was wrong about that.
PM:
SL6xx = 130 nm, 1 MB, 400 MHz, stepping 5, revision B1
SL7xx = 90 nm, 2 MB, 400 MHz, stepping 6, revision B1 (7x5) - except for
SL7Sx = 90 nm, 2 MB, 533 MHz, stepping 8, revision C0 (7x0)
SL86x = 90 nm, 2 MB, 533 MHz, stepping 8, revision C0 (730)
CM is not available with the latest C0 revision
what is CM?
CM = Celeron MQuote:
Originally Posted by cirthix
ic, so thats why you guys dont recommend that for overclocking... not a good stepping?
Well the Celeron M might be more difficult to overclock due to the lack of speed-step (the multipliers are not unlocked down to 6x) so you're stuck with just one multiplier.Quote:
Originally Posted by cirthix
Otherwise, I bet they hit the same core speeds as a regular dothan/banias Pentium M. I picked up a model 340 (1.5Ghz) for $40 bucks. Not bad for the price but the model 350 or 360 are probably better for overclocking/performance (dothan core and more cache)
But what can I do I'm a cheapo. :p:
The Dothan core Celeron Ms do have Speedstep. Only the Baniases don't.
Is that the case with the Dothan Celeron Ms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shade00
Sounds like a sweet deal then, I've seen them for about $90-$120 for the 350 and 360 models.
From what I understand, yes; I read a post on another forum a while back where the guy was running a Dothan Celeron M. I have a boxed 350 that's been waiting for a home for a while, but I guess I'm going to wait for a 915 board. At any rate, with our current boards, I don't think we'd have to worry about moving the multi downward. We'll be FSB limited before the chip's clockspeed max is reached.
hmm, mobile dothans should oc well, less transisstors to mess around with, but 512k of cashe is as much as northwoods had. i think 512k of cashe chips may be better performance/$ and oc just as well.
I tested with Celeron M on the Aopen board, and I was not able to change the mp. Speedstep worked but changing the mp did not work then. That was with the 105 bios.
But that really doesnt matter since the default mp is so low anyway i was not able to max out the chip, because the motherboard ran out of steam. But 150 x 14 gave decent results.
With the Celly M I also lost the possibility to change vcore, was stuck at default (1,25 V, if my teflon brain works properly).
less cache = lower performance/better ocQuote:
Originally Posted by cirthix
northwoods were good cause of a shorter pipe and a low latency l2 cache
vcore pin mod work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shep
Well, I finally got my aopen 855 motherboard and a suitable processor. I initially had a banias 1.7 but I cracked the core on that when I put the aopen HSF on it at a funny angle. Thankfully it was cheap :) a mere £30 on ebay several months ago.
And I got a replacement processor, a 1.5ghz banias which clocks up to 2375 happily at stock voltage but anything above that and it isn't even prime stable for a few seconds. Which probably means its not prime stable at 2375 either
I've put the VID mod wire in the socket and now I have a new problem; the heat shoots up with the cooler I've got fitted, which is an Alpha 8942 with some of the shims removed. I guess there's too much TIM right now between the core and the HSF since the core isn't imprinted into the copper like most of my athlons used to do.
Still, a neat system, the clockgen PCI/AGP lock is a godsend as is eist. Although I'm stuck until I fix this heatsink to sit a bit lower since it current either resets or hangs if I try to get it up to 2.4
btw, the dothan celeron M chips have 1 meg of L2 cache, the banias ones have 512, that doesn't seem to be too clear in this thread yet
well, we know that dothan ocs way better than bainas, so i'd like to see somebody post results of ocing a dothan core celeron m. should be interesting because 1mb of cashe is still pretty dammn good
any pics of the cracked core ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voodle
Should work fine, didn't test that. But was not able to set lower vcore, that's not really an issue unless a fanless setup was of interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
As for benches one can look at my results here. Text is in norwegian but you should be able to get something out of it.
after looking at ebay, will the 533fsb dothan's work on the current aopen and dfi boards available?
Oooh i want one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
does it have PCI-X storage controller like DFI board ?
No PCI-X slot, it may be planned or might need suggesting. I see the need for raid controllers on this board.
It does have a PCMCIA support.
No news on any upcoming mainboards/bios updates for working AGP/PCI lock? Still waiting for the Soltek 855GEI, seems nobody has gotten it yet...
I badly need a new system that doesn't crash every third day (faulty hardware; BP6 r1.1), but sadly none of the available Socket 479 mainboards seem to have a non-broken bus lock.. *sigh*
wait for CT-479 and get some decent 875P board :) you know how we love adapter in our BP6 world :)
This locks!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikael_j
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...70ct479&page=1
Old news but It still seems to be the best. Now if Intel would update the Sc-478? With ICH-6/7 or etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by GamePC
Donnie27
it would be nice, but I doubt mobo makers would include those sothern chipsets with old 875P chipsets... :(
Yes, but look at when this thread was started? Back in Dec-04, folks were still talking about Intel not having anything to ship. Some were even saying Intel wouldn't do Dual Core Dothans. The rumor has that Intel will moving to Dual Core Sc-771 Dothan/yo-yos up to the 3rd-Q. Like April Fool's day, Intel also loves Halloween for 4th quarter launches.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcn
I still remember CHarlie's "Poor Intel Thread", hehehehe!
As Asus has already shown, if there's a will, there's a way! i875 is still very viable.
Donnie27
wahts nice is that the adapter will also work in one of asus's (and surely others, unoffically) i915 (and maybe higher) motherboards, so both platforms are available
I was running Dothan in July 2004 and they have been available.
Dual core dothan called Yonah .065nm is done. It is socket 480 and there is a dual processor version. It is done.
Intel has moved everything up
Are they planning on releasing the dual core dothan's this year, 3Q? Dual Core dothan sounds pretty nice for my next desktop :slobber: , but I wonder how long it will take to desktop boards offered for it.... :rolleyes:
I'm still waiting for this Aopen or DFI i915gm boards to come out in the US. I've seen the Aopen on more priceguide sites in other countries, too bad I can't understand any of it.
Yes, but remember when I speculated that Intel Killed Tejas and Canned P4 because they had something planned? That's not an Expert opinion, just what I've seen Intel do since 1988. They never kill something without anything else to fall back on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Reading about your exploits in July and August is what brought me here. Edit, posting that is.
Donnie
how different is socket 480 from 479 and 478. it seems like intel may be making incompatibilities on purpose almost, probably for no gain, sort of how they switched to lga775. i hope an andapter comes out.
Two dual-core CPU, i.e., a total of four cores?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Up as in moved the release date earlier?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I threw in the towel yesterday and got myself the cheapest i865-based mainboard, 512M el-cheapo PC3200 DDR and a Celeron 330, which were the cheapest parts I could find. I need a stable system _now_, so I thought it'd be for the better to just wait until the dual-core Yonah is out (possibly in SMP?), because I really really like SMP systems... :) (beos 4 teh win)
did anyone read the thg article on the s480 dual core p-m? they downed the article before i had a chance to read it.
btw, i dont mean to be flaming in my previous post, but the number of sockets intel has right now is a little crazy, s478, 479, 480, 775, 603?, whatever itanium is. i wish these dammned chip companies stuck to one socket (both amd and intel, no reason for s754 other than marketing)
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2389Quote:
Originally Posted by cirthix
Donnie
thats a dual core prescott, i wanted to see the dual core pentium M. i think you guys know how i feel about p-m vrs p4
What about putting a Dothan 755 under a R404/CO2 cascade ? :D
http://img224.exs.cx/img224/1359/cpu32021uo.png
CpuZ 1.28 validation :
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=11091
What is the current WR ?
The Aopen i915Gmm-HFS is out in Germany
It Costs 239€ + transport. Much better than the 350$ Japan ones.
Someone interested?
Heya guys, just want to check if my Dothan hits WR on air for 200FSB on native i85x motherboard. I keep seeing many not passing 170FSB or something like that, and the 220FSB was on an Asus mobo with converter =)...
Here's a validation link: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=11072
This system is on-loan, so if I hit WR, maybe I can extend playing with the baby :):):)
btw, on stock cooling, non-modded mobo, stock vCore and vDimm..
what agp/pci divider are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
also is it stable at 200?
agp=66Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex08
pci=33
stable at 195FSB so far, not fully tested at 200FSB (i.e. Prime95, 3DMark01, and Sandra Burn In). i just got it about 24hours ago so I still haven't completed a full specs of tests. i also don't have a video card to use yet, so i am using the integrated video. but at 195FSB/10x (1.95Ghz), it survived 10 loops of 3DMark01 while running P95 (overnight) on the background...so i guess it's pretty stable :toast: :banana:
that is pretty impressive, i think a couple people in this thread were saying the integrated video pretty much limited the fsb a lot lower than it did with a vid card.
yep, and I am using 2x256Mb unlike most i've seen that tried to run them at 1x256Mb ;)....
so anyone knows if I hit the WR here? please advise, i just want to play with this baby longer until someone can lend me a good AGP card for some benching...
here's the validation: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=11072
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/11072.png
are you running 1:1, 3:4, or 3:5?
edit: nm saw that you were running 1:1
with 1:1 i can hold a screenshot up to 190, but nowhere stable.
No worries ;)...btw, am benching at 200FSB now. i run an Aquamarc benchmark: http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...run=1898178648
The CPU score is just awesome, at 2Ghz, it score 9k+ on the CPU...too bad, graphics is 486 *lol*. It takes awfully slow to complete *lol*, I run p95 and it's stable for about an hour or so. But I stopped it since I ran AQ3 and it will only further slowdown the benching. Here's '01 my score *lol*...http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8523743
The 3D benching scores are nothing to brag about, but at least it helps remove suspicion of a cheat =)...
i seemed to have made a mistake somewhere with the pinmod.
my chip originally defaulted to 1.296v, i tried the pinmod vid4 to vss, now i have 1.46v showing up in the bios and in cpu-z. shouldnt it be closer to 1.6v?
my setup right now is
1.7ghz dothan
aopen 855gme
512mb tccd
ti-4200
using stock cooler
priming at the moment at 2.7ghz (17x159), 2.8ghz superpi 1m stable @ 1.46v
using 3:4 divider so tccd currently @ 212mhz 2.5-3-3-7
That's because you're using a 533 Busspeed Dothan :DQuote:
Originally Posted by death metal
BTW where the hell you got that board?
The defaulted Vcore for a dothan chip (400 busspeed) is 1.34V :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex08
Do you have a 400Mhz or a 533Mhz CPU?
I also had Vcore fluctuations. I seems not to get stable.
When I wiretricked it to 1.66V sometimes i only get 1.58V :stick:
i know, but does that make it not a world record(???) if it is? ;)....it's not like a new P4 or A64 beats an older 3D bench score because they have higher or better architecture ;)...it's like saying the 6800s SLI WR is not a valid WR because it beats older 9800s ;)....Quote:
Originally Posted by vegeta
i got it from a friend, on loan, since he can't OC it ;)...
it should be a dothan 400mhz cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegeta
the funny thing is that i had a feeling something was a bit awkward when i kept seeing people's cpu-z default voltage higher than mine. But 1.296 is what the bios is saying and it wont let me go any higher. :(
edit: i started screwing around more. did vid4 to vss, vid2 to vss, vid3 to vss - now i got 1.58v or 1.59v showing up. :confused:
You should get 1.66V with vid2/vid4 connected to vss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex08
I also got fluctuations :( from 1.58-1.68 with wiretrick on 1.66V.
I don't think it's only you, someone who has a DFI also got this fluctuations. Nothing you can do about :slap:
just finished benching at 200FSB, wheeeeee...P95 stable for ~6hrs, Spi anti-cheat 1M run (while p95 is running *lol*) and temp never breaking 44c at full load...
Screenie (Warning=185k): http://sleektech.nl/~dm/temp/misc/desktop-200-2200.gif
nice :)
I also have a 200Mhz fsb shot, the max fsb really depends on your cpu ;)
http://img124.exs.cx/img124/9219/cpu20002kv3ib.png
You beat me by 0.36Mhz :D
doesn't it depend more on your chipset??? :)
I don't think so, i had two 755s, the first reached only 180Mhz, and the second 200Mhz (lowered multi, so not a max frequency issue), I didn't change anything on the mobo between the both tests...
Maybe you got a dothan that wasn't good enough for a 533 busspeed dothan :D. I was convinced that everyone that has a 400Mhz dothan can't get across 180 :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrou
Nontheless a good achievement :slobber:
Oh common, you can do better that this :D (with you fancy cascade)
Where's the 20 x 200Mhz screenshot :p:
I'm trying to go farther, I'll be testing all day long tomorrow. For now, the best I did is only 20*160, I'll try 16*200, it should be way better :D
my cascade is not fancy :o only crappy :D this ****ing CO2 always clogs my evap :(
just a quick question i bought a dell notebook witha 745 dothan at 1.8ghz can i oc it to 2.0ghz??? if so how can i do it?? with clockgen??? how high can i go without uping volts for vcore and ram?? can i change latencies???
but what i meant is on air, stock everything (cooling, vCore, vDimm, totally unmodded board) =)...mine runs on air and stock everything =)...so i was shooting for a WR on that category not on uber leet heavily modded board with extreme cooling :banana: :banana:
and nate's 533Mhz dothan didn't past 170FSB as well: http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewt...33aab53493b2d5
and that's with a vcore pin modded Dothan@1.6v =)...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrou
wow !!!:slobber:
you have a 200Mhz fs dothan on aircooling ? :slobber: that's very impressive !
Tyrou, yep, here's my old post (quoted *lol*) so I'm just thinking if I should brag about it hahaha....i "bold" my mention of stock everything ;)...
Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
oh yes you should, that's the highest fsb i've ever seen on i855 chipset, having it done only with aircoolint and stock mobo is better :D
yay, thanks Tyrou, posted it at Xtreme OCing area =)...
i tried the vdimm mod, pin6 50k trimmer to pin4. the highest i can get my vdimm to is 3.31v. Is this correct?
because im wondering how lardarse's friend or lardarse(can't remember who) pumped 3.9v into their bh5's.
I think you have an Aopen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex08
If so there are 2 ways to reach 3.3V+
1) Use an OCZ booster -> the downside is that you can only use 1 dimm. Or benching this is not a problem. Cause with one stick I reach higher FSB than 2 dimm's together. Although they can reach the higher FSB each seperately :stick: .
2) Mod your PSU if yours allow it (if you have a Vsense cable on the 3.3V line (normaly it's an orange cable)=> for more explanation search the Hell-fire's PSU mod on the forum), cause the Vdimm is juiced with the 3.3V-rail.
If you mod the PSU and set the VR of PSU on 3.9V, you can can adjust your Vdimm with the VR of your Vdimm mod :)
Some PSU already have VR's to set the Voltages, eg OCZ powerstream line ;)
I hope your modding :)
thanks vegeta, i have a fortron 530w w/ adjustable pots coming tomorrow. right now im using a antec 300w psu :(
this is what i believe so far with my setup.
with my 1.7ghz dothan
chip maxes out at 2.85ghz, primestable at 2.75ghz. i think it would prime higher if i changed coolers.
my bh5 using 3.3v at the moment maxes out at 255mhz.
so far my best superpi1m is 30s
I dunno how your dothan will oc.
These are the result i got with a 1.5 Dothan. Not too shabby huh :D (and all this on aircooling :woot: )
Unfortunately, i sold that setup. And bought myself the Alviso board. I kinda regret that I sold my previous board :slap:
http://users.skynet.be/vegeta/Dothan/SuperPi%2027s.jpg
http://users.skynet.be/vegeta/Dothan/SuperPiTriple.jpg
Are you getting anything out of your current aopen board vegeta?
Hi, I tried the pin-mod again (board back from rma), but it says 1,360 V instead of 1,6 V. I did the mod right.
Hello
I have a ACER 4002wlmi
I can manage to force my 1.6 dothan to work at 2250mhz but pci/agp its too high and i lose sound at +/- 1900mhz.
Is there any way i can change the pci value?
At 2250mhz i get 35s at superpi 1mb
please help...
i doubt that u can change the dividers on a lappy, maybe adjusting agp frequency to 75 mhz might engage the next divider though? how is battery life when oced?
I think the best way to answer your question is like this: (check wattage)
http://andrenoites.no.sapo.pt/dothan.JPG
All the pictures were taken at idle load
@ andrenoites
can you give me a address to the program?
wow so it barely changed? what about loaded.?
The link to the software is http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Oakland/8259/
I´m at work now, later i will post more pics at full load ;)
hey adrenoites! HOW did you overclock the laptop!? I have Wortmann Terra Aura 8300 with dothan 740 (533FSB and 1.73Ghz Clock) and alviso chipset (i915 series), it comes with 512mb dual chanel DDR2 PC4300, which I guess runs at 133MHz (266DDR), according to the tests.
Has anyone any clockgen which would work with this chipset??!! or any other software. the mobo in this laptop is ASUS M7V, and it has PCI-E Nvidia Go 6600 with 128 mb of videoram at 250/500.
Guys please jelp, I cannot find any software to twaek the laptop upwards...
and then how does it show a wattage for you? It does not show for me... :(
already showing, sorry... did not show earlier...... my fault
Ok guys, in the next picture we can compare wattage in full load (running prime95)
http://andrenoites.no.sapo.pt/dothanFull.JPG
hey what did you use to verclock this laptop?
your 31,25watt@ 1600mhz
is for your laptop not for only dothan because my laptop 2,0@2,2 dothan have 37watt at bench 01 3d!!
here my laptop
adrenoites do you have a cam so you can post a pic inside your lappy? wat a beast... wat gpu does it have?
My laptop have an ati 9700 mobility and in 2d mode its only at 75mhz gpu. Maybe thats the reason because its wattage is less compared to other laptops. In 3d mode the gpu raises to 550mhz witch is more 100mhz than stock speed
the sheer size of the thread scares me ;)
What's the verdict on the new Aopen 915gMe board??????
C
I believe vegeta has this board, but didn't have a processor to use in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
It doesn't look like a promising oc board, but we never know with all the crazy people in these forums. :p:
I'm interested in picking up a 2.1GHz Dothan. Two questions:
1. What board would you guys recommend?
2. What board would you guys recommend in conjunction with the Asus CT479?
Sorry for the n00b questions. I'm an AMD kinda guy. :p:
i would goto newegg and grab a referb P4C800-E Delux for 100 bucks or if you want you can pick up the retail P4C but its 180 bucks :(
your gana need a p4 or know someone with a p4 so you can flah the bios tho :( that gose for any board useing the CT-479 for the P4C800-E Delux you want the 1021 bios
Those are 8X AGP, right? Am I correct assuming that there are no PCIe boards for this CPU?
ya there AGP and i edit my post above as well :)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...131-464&depa=0
EDIT #2: i have never seen a PCI-E S478 board and they would have to make a different adapter for the LGA775
Aw, shucks. All of my peers are on AMD rigs. Hahaha. Maybe I can get charlie or FUGGER to flash it for me. :confused:
now there are cheaper boards but i say the P4C is gana be the best clocker how ever you can use the P4P800 SE and the P4P800-VM for micro ATX you will still need to flash the bios with a normal P4 but like i said i think the P4C is gana be the best clocker
Thanks for sharing your views with me, Fzero. I truly appreciate it and will consider what you have told me. :toast:
I seem to remember people getting better FSB overclocks with the P4Ps than the P4Cs.....
However, super high(270+) FSB probably isn't a concern with a P-M setup.
Jay
well the reason i see the P4C doing so well is that was the board used to get the 21s world record here a couple days back all the reviews on the CT most were useing P4P and didnt see any really high clocks i say wait let some more results pop up and go from there :) thats what im doing