BH-6 was on the first sticks of DDR I bought, and I still have them.. if there was a vote for best memory ever made i'd vote BH-6 ;)
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BH-6 was on the first sticks of DDR I bought, and I still have them.. if there was a vote for best memory ever made i'd vote BH-6 ;)
so would it be possible to do the pencil trick on the resistor you solder to the for the vdimm mod?
looks to me like it would work, however some confirmation from the experts would be nice.
me too. its the same as bh-5 and bh-5/6 is a legend!Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
BH-6 was also my first stick of DDR, and my best performing... my 1x512 corsair BH-6 does better then my 2x256 mushkin LvII....Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
It always works if you wanna lower resistance to get higher voltages, but not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
I have bh6 in comp at last, its one stick but I put it in dual with tccd and all problems are gone :D
Dual goes 260 stable, higher was voltage conflict, my adatas can't work with V over 3.4
Now I'm looking for second good stick of BH :)
My best result in single - http://taipan.250free.com/bh6273.PNG
Thats not my last word :cool:
just remember in dual channel you wont make it quite so far, however very nice clocks indeed.
Not bad, Taipan! :up:
Hi guys.
I've got problem with fsb higher than 240 with CPC ON.
I am using 6-19 3D Fire R2 - TicTac Edition Bios (very good :toast: )
My 1800DLT3C does 2900mhz with 1,95V but its superlocked (11,5x).
I want 250*11,5, but when system boots it shows: PCI .... wtf ... :mad:
I have 512MB Hynix D43 chips which does 250 2,5 3 3 3 6 with 3,0V.
I set 250*11,5 2,0V vcore, 1,6Vagp, 1,9VDD, 3,0Vvmem.
Cpu timing Aggresive and memory 2,5 3 3 3 11 9 12.
What can I do? Vcore mod? Vsense mod? Or what?
Thanx for some hints
and cooling -- Watercooled 19°C Water | Modded Cascade by RadekB | Galaxi NB,GPU,HDD | Opel Kadett + Papst 140cfm @ 12V | Eheim Compact 600
Prokop, 512MB sticks don't like CPC on at high clocks... especially on NF2. And I heard the hynix chips even cr@p out earlier than other chips with 1T.
Sad but true. 1T won't happen at 250+ with these sticks :(
/edit.
P.S. Welcome to Xtremesystems.org! :toast:
Thx :D
Ok, but if I set up more fsb then 243 and turn CPC OFF, it shows PCI problem when booting :( I think, that I need more V to the CPU. When I set 2V real is (in BIOS) 1,89-1,95. PSU is LC550W (+12 12,1V real, +5V 5,3V real) => it isn't problem.
I think, that I need vsense and vcore mod. Or not?
Does it bluescreen during windows bootup? Then showing the PCI error...??
Could be an apic problem with your board.
Maybe. I have APIC enabled. May I disable it?
It shows PCI error before windows bootup.
What do you think abou my vcore fluctulation?
Hmm, can you take a photo of the error message or at least write it down for me...
Is it while windows starts loading, or is it caused by bios/dmi pool ?
Don't worry too much about that fluctuation as it's the reading chip that's "fluctuating" (often).
I will write it down for you.
I think it's caused by bios/dmi.. :(
Thanx
does your chip run 250fsb?
like did you try it a x11?
Yes it does. Remeber what i said. It's superlocked (week 39)..Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
oh im sorry, i missed that, did you try any other bios? HellFire Rev3 perhaps?
the 3dfire did well for me but i had slightly better results on hellfire (before my board started dieing that is)
seems like 250 should be easy on infinity, im thinking your cpu may be closing in on its max.
It's ok :-)
I don't share your opinion, about my CPU max.
It does 2500mhz with 1,68V and 2600with 1,76V.
I will have to try Hellfire BIOS. :cool:
i sure hope your right :cheers:
Maybe Prokop need less PCI stuff into the machine, of capacitor mods? Or lock the AGP clock to 66Mhz, witch give 33Mhz for the PCI? :confused: :rolleyes:
Dunno. At least I proudly want proclaim that I finally made the OCP mod (scary, scary, I got one death LP B mobo, so... :( ) but things seems to working good after a day and so, so I try push harder that that:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/cpuz242x11.gif
:D :devil:
PS: the Hellfire bioses seems to be pretty good. I still using his rev1, however. The latest turbo one looking promising: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=789
...anyone tried it yet? :confused: :stick: :)
So, are there any nice results with the latest Hellfire turbo bios so far? :confused: Im a bit confused about the latency thing. What is the original PCI latency? Is not 32...?
I mean - for CPU benchmark - is better to have the latency as low, as possible, right? As well, as the EXT-P2P Discard on the fastest timing as well :confused:Quote:
7. PCI Latency = 128 clocks
8. EXT-P2P Discard = 1ms
All I know that I gained a lot on hexus PI fast, when I set the AGP latency to 16 :nod:
The TicTac bios say something about altered also:
...and it is the LAN and SATA latency (what the hell is CPU Disconnect Function Patch?! This means that the CPU disconnect is disabled by default by other bioses - at least until the nForce2 drivers take over...???) that catch my eye.Quote:
- CPU Disconnect Function Patch
- Side Band Addressing Enabled
- PCI Latency 128clck
- EXT P2P Discard Time 1ms
- LAN Latency 128clock
- SATA Latency 128clock
What are the default values for them???
And of course the higher values means that the network and SATA ran faster/smoother. Im sure about it. However it maybe can criple the CPU speed a bit, and this is my concern.
Anyone can tell me more about it? :confused:
BTW, the fantastinc nForce2 tweaker by TicTac can't tweak these EXP /2P DIscard as well, as the LAN and SATA latency things... :(
For me the Rev3 always was the best... then comes Mr. Merlin's 0.5 Taipan E4. :D
Hellire bioses tested. Tests made on Lanparty B, made in China (ugh) with this standard settings: 200x13 1.800Vcore AXPM2600+ and 11-2-2-2-2-9-12-0-0-3-3-2-0-3-E-E-F-E settings for mem. All other settins was always and all the time same.
Tests consisting of memtest results (used latest 1.51 one - http://www.memtest.org ) and AIDA 32 ( http://download.computer.msn.de/synd..._10236956.html ) for the simple memory read/write test speed ;) (this one should be also more reliable and less fluctuating that for example popular Sisoft Sandra ;) and confirmed with TestCPU - a small czech guy proggy http://testcpu.webz.cz/ ;) )
Now what you all surely waiting for - the results :)
Hellfire rev.1
Memtest - 1454MB/sec
AIDA32 - read 3033 - 3042MB/sec - write 1222-1235MB/sec
Hellfire rev.2
Memtest - 1519MB/sec
AIDA32 - read 2902 - 2983MB/sec - write 1150-1185MB/sec
Hellfire rev.3
Memtest - 1519MB/sec
AIDA32 - read 3020 - 3046MB/sec - write 1223-1227MB/sec
Hellfire Turbo
Memtest - 1454MB/sec
AIDA32 - read 2664 - 2818MB/sec - write 1145-1212MB/sec
IMHO it clearly shows that the "Turbo" bios edition is the worsest (!) one, surprisingly. It fluctuated most with the results and it also show the worst performance.
The rev.2 show clear advantage in the memtest test over rev.1, however it failed to deliver the same performance increase in AIDA32 win test - in fact, it was slower that the rev.1 notably. Rev.3 got be best from all - good memtest score, like the rev.2, however it also show good score into the AIDA32 test, witch is the less fluctuating one and except the weird 1235MB/sec write peak of the rev.1, it beat all the other versions easily :)
Conclusion - SAE was right. Never dubt his experience again :rotf:
SAE :toast:
^^^
nice job! Thanks for the results! now we just need to throw merlins in the mix :)
Give me a direct link to it ;)
Besides, I think I should add the original one to the test as well, not to mention the tictac ones ;)
...and I also disabled the SATA, witch invalidate the Hellfire Turbo one test, so, again :( Mistakes make human, tough :p:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...ghlight=merlin
direct enough?
I also did a bios comparison sometime back, someone may find it helpful. They were done with a Lanparty Ultra II B and it had a Radeon 9200 VC.
great job, it would be interesting to see the 1/21 bios, the 6/19 bios, and the tictac 3d fire bios...
only problem with this test is that it shows nothing about overclocking.
Were you referring to the post just prior? "All test done with 10x255, 2-2-2-11" Granted it is not extreme, but I wanted to be sure that as much as possible could be done as I did not know exactly to expect with some of the bios. I did use the 1/21 bios most of the time as it would let me run 260 x10 and 258x11 with DI anytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
i was referring to trodas, sorry for not being clear.
np, I did not know.
Got an LPB today, from TW and it shows, realy high quality soldering and such... i need to reinstall windows though....
so im trying to get the HF rev3 bios right now as windows wont detect my SATA drive during the install on the 3Dfire bios, and i cant find a working link for the HFrev3 anywhere...
anyone know where i can find it? should i just get the 1/21 for now?
lucky you for finding a tw one. I looked alot of places, bought some and returned and never did get another one. I have one I'm content with now. 1/21 was a very good bios for mine. the hf3 was a bit faster possibly, but 1/21 very stable. many bios here: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...p?t=789&page=1 EDIT: wow, that is not cool, here is one : http://ax2.old-cans.com/N24LD619-3EG-REV3.zip
Nice to saw my link used :p: :D
Revv23 - good luck with this bejby. Should you PM me where you bought it, pls? ;)
thanks a bunch for that second link coop, as you no doubt saw, the first one wasnt working.
trodas, no need for PM, got it from newegg...guess i was lucky? :p:
Well, I've got a lot of problem's with flashing my Infinity.
AWDFLASH says, that the bios size (Hellfire rev.3) isn't correct.
What do you guys think about this? May I try winflash?
Hmm, weird.
Should be same size. Winflash could work. There's only one way to find out: TRY it :D
hmmm maybe try getting another copy of the bios?
i did kamikaze run just now
Vcore@1.87v
vdimm @ 3.8v
NB volt @ 1.9v
AGP @ 1.6v
timing : 2-2-2-2-5-13-15-1T
trying to maxed out my TwinMOS Speed Premium
both stick only manage to hit 240MHz 3D stable
anything higher than that error all the way...
do you think i need L12 mod for my proc? Running on Applebred Tbred A here
oh yea... almost forgoten... i write simple article how to volt mod this board this board with pencil
you can read it here:
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/modu...showpage&pid=4
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
did you include the L12 mod in your bios? i know the HF3 bios has it built in, not sure how it effects that core though, i would try more CPU volts first, and 3.8 is way too much for NF2, i am more stable around 3.4-3.5 then i am at 3.6...
nice arcticle too btw.
no my bios have dont have L12 mod... i guess that must be the reason...
Your BIOS doesn't have L12 mod? (3D Fire R2)
Your ''Pencil Guide'' is very very good! Now i can stable run 246x11,5 with 2,05V and 3,45V vdimm... good job TicTac :toast:
all my modded DFI bios dont have any L12 mod......
i wonder maybe this is the reason why it is not as good as Merlin / Hellfire bios
im wondering, how well does that applebred like FSB?
Oh please make sure if you use Vdimm Pencil mod.... dont select any voltage lower than 3.2v in bios optionQuote:
Originally Posted by Prokop
anything lower than that PC wont boot and 4 LED went up...
in case you clear cmos... plz clean up that resistor back to default... or else it just wont boot with 4 LED indicator :slobber:
tictac, w/ the pencil vcore mod, do you still have to do the vsens mod?
i ask because i'm at 250x10=2500, and not even 2.0v vcore(setting) gets me into windows with 250x10.5=2625, and am debating doing the vcore/vsens mod w/ pots and smd grabbers(you know, the 2 wires you say to ignore in your pencil mod guide :D )
i know i can do 222x12=2664(at least, i could on my abit nf7-s)
also, as you can see in my sig, i'm getting 250x10, 11-2-2-2.0, now, i'm using whatever is the latest bios from dfi's website, would your or any other bios help me? does this board require the L12 mod? my abit needed it, i used a bios w/ the L12 mod and went from 222 to ~240 b4 i fried the board in a multimeter measuring incident leading me to get this dfi lp nf2 ultra-b
fixed my post to say "not even 2.0v vcore(setting) gets me into windows w/ 250x10.5=2625, and am........"
let me know if i can delete this
i havent tested the pencil Vcore mod higher than 2.0V... so i dont know if it need Vsense mod...
but anything lower than 2.0v dont need Vsense mod... just simple resistor pencil mod :)
Regarding L12 mod... i have no idea at all.... yeah NF7-S gain better stability with L12 mod...
Most LPB/Infinity can clock high enough even without L12 mod...
but.... i think SAE did L12 mod on his board tho... :hehe:
SAE did but i dont think he knows if it gained him anything... i believe he was being redundant...
molester, i have had much better luck with the beta bios'es (1/21 specifically) and even better luck with HF3 (basically same as 1/21 with different romsip and L12 built in)
I also did well with tictac's bios, and vsense does nothing, you need to do the OCP mod, SAE posted pictures of it a few pages back, i would think that the OCP has to be done as even at 2.0vcore on stock board the vcore isnt very stable.
Hmm. I do know for sure it gained me further stability. Once I was testing bioses with integrated L12, I could not get anything higher than 240 stable... could bench higher though. Stability came with "wire mods" - L12 and 1.775V default. :)
I'd recommend it.
ok, well, this overclocker fried his nf7-s simply by trying to read the vdd voltage w/ a multimeter, if i can't do it w/ a pot and grabbers, i can't do it :bsod:
guess ill try tictac's latest bios, see how that does me :stick:
bad news :(
I replaced my Infinity TicTac 3D R2 BIOS with Hellfire rev.3 and did TicTac pencil vcore and vdimm mod.
Then I set 250x11,5 1,950V (with pencil mod it was 2,04V) and 3,3V to mem (real 3,45V). Saved settings, restart and.... nothing :mad:
Well, I tried restarting with pushing down Insert key -> nothing, then I reseted bios settings with jumper -> nothing.. When I push power button, fans, hdd, cd, are functioning, but the system reseting time after time :(
What the hell is this? Is MoBo dead?
Guys, I need some good news, because yesterday I killed my friend's NF7-S :brick: (until measuring vcore on the mosfets)
bios dead probably... wouldnt be surprised if its the same thing with the nf7-s
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
I am sorry SAE did not mean to speak for you :worship:
Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
I don't share your opinion, because I tried Bios chip from another Infinity and nothing happened. :(
clean up the resistor you mod for Vdimm pencil mod....Quote:
Originally Posted by Prokop
might be OVP on Vcore kicking you in & out... :eek:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prokop
reseat ram, many times when switching bios i need to do this for some reason or another...
No prob, mate :up: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
DFI Lan Party B
6-19 XT
Change Log from original 6-19 3D Fire R2
----------------------------------------------------
1 Enhance Memory Bandwith
2 Soft L12
3 New Boot Up Logo
Size = 352KB
Download Link:
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/modu...p=getit&lid=29
Preview
Quality Check
--------------
# Comparison done @ 200MHz x 8.0 = 1.6Ghz
# Timing : 2.5-3-3-3-11-1T
# Memory : 2 sticks TwinMOS + 1 Stick KVR = 768MB
a) 619 3D Fire R2
-----------------
mem latency : 91.9 ns
mem read : 2926 mb/sec
mem write : 1112 mb/sec
2) 619 XT
---------
mem latency : 91.8 ns
mem read : 2962 mb/sec
mem write : 1128 mb/sec
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/pic/graph-compare2.gif
ill try this soon tictac
nice work sir :)
tictac, u doin soft L12 now??? :)
ill give it a try, this merlin bios is nice, but no significant gains(although, could be my power supply is dieing from the nf7-s incident)
well, asking about "Slew Rate" in BIOS. What is the value ? For stabilities and higher speed or bandwidth ? FYI, i'm using HF rev. 3 :rolleyes:
honestly i have always left the finer timings on auto, ive meant to test each one to see but its a long process doing that, seemed whenever i took them off auto i lost clocks... i should probably experiment with that, now that you mention it.
ill fire her up within the next few days and see how the finer ram timings effect performance/bandwidth for me.
thanks for the answer.
btw, what is the correct value for performance / bandwidth ? 1-7 ?
what do you mean?
some values create more bandwidth, but limit clock, and some do the reverse, usually its better to go for more bandwidth then more clocks, but not always, to find the best value you can experiment yourself, as each system is different, i will do some experimentation of my own, but like i said, your results may vary.
thx :toast:
i'll do some benchmark with some settings...maybe i can get more bandwidth and then more clocks too.
EDIT :
this is a little test with SiSoft Sandra
Driving Strength : Auto
Slew Rate =
1 >> 2906/2626
2 >> 2930/2627
3 >> 2885/2662
4 >> 2922/2628
5 >> 2937/2628
6 - 15 >> not yet ;)
FSB = 200
Timing = @ CPUz & NF2 Tweaker
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28316&stc=1
if any of you still using MBM for as your voltage monitoring tools
here is my config file....
location
C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5\Data\Voltage.ini
now MBM5 showing all temp correctly.... :toast:Code:V12=W83627HF DFI Lan Party B
V12V1=$20*0.016 // VCore
V12V2=$21*0.016 // V-AGP
V12V3=$22*0.016 // +3.3V
V12V4=$23*0.026890 // +5V
V12V5=$24*0.060 // +12V
V12V6=(($25*0.016)-3.6)*5.14+3.6 // -12V
V12V7=$26*0.016 // VDimm
V12V8=$50*0.016*1.51B5 // 5VSB
V12V9=$51*0.016B5 // VBAT
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=28317
HydroX,
I got my best bandwidth with the latency's set at 255,255,64...give that a try.
Have you done anymore testing w/ drive-slew rates? Have mine at 6 and 7
Hi
Im kinda new here, sortof, long time reader - first time poster ;)
Anyway, i just killed my beautiful LPB, after accidentally pumping 3.5v through the NB :slapass: :explode2:
That should be a lesson, be careful when using a 100k pot with the VDD mod, watch how much you turn because you could potentially give loads of volts to the NB.
That board was amazing, it could do 265+ benchstable with 1.9v-2.0v on the NB, was china board as well, very few that can go that high.
I wanted ask, do the alpha timings really help stability and/or performance
3,5 wow...
mine died at 2.4
Sorry to hear about your loss, there is a long cluttered trail of the same among those who visit here. Mine was also a good one, finally found another though. http://img167.echo.cx/img167/593/p10107207ww.jpg
I just wanted to add something... :) My DFI Infinity died with exactly same damage done. It was heavily vmodded (vdimm, vdd, vsense, vcore, OVP) and it died when I was too clumsy and pulled one of the wires of the resistor soldered for OVP :(Quote:
Originally Posted by coop
It was a good board, too... ;)
That is how mine happened, one of the OVP wires came off.
Can anyone tell me which moffset regulates which voltage?
well...not yet :(Quote:
Originally Posted by millerdude
i'm still testing my new tmsp 512x2...got 247 @ 3.3V memtest stable for 20++ loop :toast:
TicTac, reporting in on your latest bios....
while no significant gains, at all, i ran into quite a problem.....
i got what's called a 'winsock' error, or, windows socket error, i could ping but no url
now, to fix this, i first tried reformatting, negs
then re-flashed bios, back to working order
this may or may not have been due to the bios, but i thought i'd let you know incase others have had this problem
btw, i did flash w/ same bios, and so far so good :)
I have been having problems w people either not wanting to do or not knowing how to do the ocp mod...any referals are appreciated..i have like 3 or so mods done...and its been around 3 months of trying to find someone to get it done..its geting really tiresome.
I need droop and Ocp mod done and im ready to rock!
thanks for the advice i will try to gt 100 ;)
godsa, get 100posts, once you do you can reach the services section where you can purchase vmods.
edit - PM CaTalyst.X, i checked the services section and he is the one offering the vmods.
im using 1-21 BIOS and i found some anomali. my rig's config was 238x10.5 @1.85v but i couldnt raise the VGA core and memory..it stuck @320Mhz/220Mhz.
but if i changed the multiplier down to 10.. i could raise it to 530Mhz/310Mhz.
my rig's:
DFI lanparty B
Barton 2500+
ABIT radeon9550vGURU
TwinMOS SP 256MB
Seagate 40GB 7200.7
i did some test:
238x10.5
Prime 95 all test with no errors for 12hours
VGA core/mem @320Mhz/220Mhz ===>3dmark01 score 11426
memory timing 2-2-2-11 1T
Super PI 2M 92sec
250x10
Prime95 all test with no errors for 12hours
VGA cor/mem @530Mhz/310Mhz ===> 3dmark score 13864
memory timing 2-2-2-11 1T
Super PI 2m 89sec
do you think the problem is with my mobo???
im really desperate.... :(
Could be the board, could be the psu... could even be the agp port. :(
Dunno, but did you try another bios like hellfire's excellent rev3?
What brand id your psu and what ratings does it have?
My PSU is ThermalTAKE360W... +12 @12.20v; +5@5.24v;Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
i've tried 6-19 and 1-31... still gave a problem with the multiplier(only with 10.5)
infact when i flashed the BIOS with 1-31... i did load optimized default==>save and exit==>etc... when i turn on my computer i couldnt get into windows. so i tried to repair the windows..but i found another problem, my HDD like a brand new... had no partition at all... 38xxxMB... all my data has gone...dissapear...deleted...etc LOL
thx .this thread rocks
Quote:
Originally Posted by deevo
Man, that sucks :(
Sometimes you can recover partitions with partitionmagic or some other tools I don't remember the names of...
Is your board a made in China one?
nope... ordered from Taiwan :)
SAE... in BIOS theres some config for DIMM1,2,3 strengthen n slew rate, have you ever changed this config? what you gain form it?
and what's alpha timing config for?
There's "Made in TW" written on its box? :) Great.Quote:
Originally Posted by deevo
No, drv str and slew never helped me any... only made things worse.
So leave it at auto.
But the alpha timings are of some use - to be more exact: they're very important for stable and fast results! :fact:
I was using 2-0-3-3-1-0-2 the last time I had the board/cpu running.
You may also try 2-3-3-3-3-3-3 for more stability, or something like 2-2-3-3-2-2-3 for balanced stability/speed.
G'luck, bro :up:
how bout 1-3-3-3-3-3-4...?Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
do you know where i can find some setting to change mem idle timer?
well.. i guess i need more than just luck bro..:)
still have problem with coolboot... :(
but i really love this board..its ROCKS!
hey SAE... have you tried some hardmod to this mobo?
guess i need more voltage on my Vdimm..:)
do you think hardmod will make my board become unstable?
coz last time i tried a hardmod on my NF7-s v.2 .. it became so unstable
I never needed that 4 at the end. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by deevo
Cold boot problems can be avoided by wire modding the socket. You need to set your cpu to a higher default voltage (1.775V default is the one I did). Also do the l12 mod in hardware, means you're putting thin, u-shaped wires into the appropriate socket holes and put your cpu back in.
About those "hardmods".
I did vdimm, vcore, ocp, vdroop and vdd mods, wire mods and some lapping mods and cooling mods? Suffices? :D
P.S. Vsense is crap.
ok, after alot of sweat and tears, this is what i came up w/
http://x2.putfile.com/5/12722010073-thumb.jpg
no other combination gets me anything better, at least, no other combination I can think of :cord:
This is on water, D-tek White Water block, Black Ice Extreme(dual core), Hydor pump, single-bay resevoir.
can you send to my email or PM how to do those wire modding and the L12 mod?? please... you're the best!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
just fyi im back at it again on this thing, right now im getting my highest stable on stock volts, then on goes the vdimm mod... wish me luck
right now im having issues getting both sticks going at once though, so who knows.
update: got it working, one stick was bad, rubbed it in acetone, and bam, back up... who konws? :p:
ive been wanting to buy a nf2 setup again for a phase-changer but i just dont have the time or $$...still a lot of fun though!
Talking about the alpha timings, I come accross this:
T(RC) - 9 (7 is better if the mem can handle, 12 if cant handle 9)
T(RFC) - 12 (15 if not stable)
T(DOE) - 1 (0 if you can get it stable)
T(RRD) - 1 (0 if you can get it stable)
T(W2P) - 3
T(W2R) - 3
T(REXT) - 1
T(R2P) - 1 (0 if you can get it stable)
T(R2W) - 3
Hmmm, using the old good Mushkin Special 2-2-2 BH6 at 2,9V and Vchipset auto + 200Mhz at
T(RC) - 7
T(RFC) - 12
T(DOE) - 0
T(RRD) - 0
T(W2P) - 3
T(W2R) - 3
T(REXT) - 2
T(R2P) - 0
T(R2W) - 3
...and any change of T(REXT) - to 1 bring BSOD :p
T(RC) - 7 I tried alone now, works no errors, but... I can't set into the bios 7...? So, will it is beneficial, after all? Anyway, is there any chance to get the T(REXT) down to 1 w/o increasing voltage by, for example, tweaking the Driving Strenght and Slew Rate? :rolleyes: :confused:
I even tried T(RC) - 6 and it did not crashed, but does it gain me any good? :rolleyes: :confused:
Hi, i have here for testing NF2 InfinityUltra, but its a strange mobo.
Fsb look good 245-250 in progress. But v core for my XPM 2600 ist sh*t.
Before my Shuttle AN 35 ultra runs stable at 1.675v@12x200 - 2400mhz
At Infinity is the same but prime fail after 2-5 min. I dont know what is bad.
Maybe capacitors.
Shuttle 3700microF@6.3v
Infinity 3300microF@6.3v
Helfire eg rev 3 bios.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of Tweaker screens for each mb. Although the general settings are the same, the bios for the infinity has more available settings and may be different than previous. I had an Ultra35, very nice board. Also have a LPII, it is not so much different from Infinity. It should come around. Check out http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/index.php? Many things covered for dfi.
coop ive had both and infinity and the lan party are the exact same board with just different feature sets.
trodas, your information is awesome... no one has really done that much research into the extra timings... its something ive always wanted to do, but i later find out that the board has "moods" meaning sometimes youll get tight timings and high clocks, and other days itll only boot if you underclock it.
as a status update im no longer able to overclock on mine as i didnt put enough thermal paste on my NB (i know, dont beat me up about it, im retarded) and it wont run in dual channel anymore, not to mention it takes 3.0v to get 200mhz single channel 2-3-3-7.
anyways good luck guys, not sure why you guys are buying new old hardware, especially now that there is some new stuff on the market to play with like the RDX200.
Hi again guys. Im happy that reply someone :)
Mine problem looks good. I set up 1+3 dimm and reput cpu in socket.
Prime was testing 15h @1,65v ok.
But i have problem with high fsb.
250 fsb , 1,9vdd, 3,3 dimm, (1,5, 1,6 1,7 agp the same ) 11-2-2-2-13-15 auto
Pc freeze by 3d aplications at in menu .
I have the chance buy lanparty ultra B. May i do it or its exactly same and its no point get 250 fsb Prime stable without mod ?
Guys which one is the most stable and best bios for this board for overclocking?Any links??
ex.treme - caps on the mobo failing like mad. Replace them with good ones, see: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87710
And enjoy the mobo again.
coop - witch screen do you mean, this?
http://ax2.old-cans.com/nForce2_tweaker_wanted.gif
You can run this too on any nForce2 mobo. Tough I having some problems to make it auto-run at every start on XP machines, see there:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=75664
If you mean BIOS screens, then check there mine screens:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/g.php?p=dfi&d=1&v=v2
Revv23 - the "mods" are all about bad caps, trust me on this. I bet that when it is new, it don't have "mods", right? ;)
Your caps is gone, man. Entierly. That it is. No question about it. I can run 200Mhz FSB 11-2-2-2-7-12-0-0-3-3-2-0-3-E-E-F-E w/o heatsink on the NB stable. 512MB Mushkin Lev I 2-2-2 Hi-Perf stick.
Thanks for the timins, next thing to do is look out for the Strenght and Slew rates. Adding them to nForce2 tweaked could save one days of rebooting, tough... :(
Same as adding support for 7-12 instead of lovest 9-12 alpha timings in the Hellfire rev.3 one...
And old HW is sometimes fun to play with - and you got a PM :D
ex.treme - you need new caps, and not mods. You cannot expect to run FSB 250 with old and mainly bad caps...! See later.
LoWRiDeR - the mighty God SAE says Hellfire rev.3 and I agree. There you go:
LANPARTY B Hellfire bios rev. 3 - best one!
http://ax2.old-cans.com/N24LD619-3EG-REV3.zip
LANPARTY B Hellfire bios rev. 3 - best one!
http://ax2.old-cans.com/N24ID619-3EG-REV3.zip
And now finally a explanation why and how does the Taiwan and China boards differ.
First at all, let me say that all the time DFI fierce fully deny that there is any difference. Now I got my hand on Taiwan made mobo, and having two China made ones already, I spotted quite a few differences. First at all, the CPU mosfets is slightly different. On both mobos are there two series by 3 for each one of them. The first is 09N03LA and the second ones (closely to the CPU) are 06N03LA. But on China mobo are these 09N03LA - BC335 and 06N03LA - AN330, while on Taiwan mobo they are 09N03LA - CG339 and 06N03LA - AA330! And even by the very first look, they are different - the 09N03LA - BC335 on China mobo have a bit rounded edges, see there:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/s.php?p=badt...6&c=8&d=1&v=v2
...while on Taiwan mobo they both having sharp edges.
So, there is visual AND a little specification difference as well. Now let's move to the Vdd/Vdimm mosfets. As expected, the differences did not ended up with Vcore mosfets, but the very same differences are in these as well. China mobo use (looking at the image link bellow, from left (Vdd mosfet) to the right (3 Vdimm mosfets) 09N03LA - BC335 and 3x 20N03L - VF328 while the Taiwan one use probably - mosfet destroyed, anyone could help there - 09N03LA - BC335 (?) and 20N03L - XR320, 20N03L - VB320, 20N03L - XR320.
http://ax2.old-cans.com/s.php?p=badt...d=1&id=137&c=8
While some might say that these are quite small differences, it is indisputable that these are DIFFERENCES in fact, witch prove DFI lying about it. (no wonder at this point, the manufacture policy surely will deny any differences on principle, it's logical...)
And now for the main event. At the very first glance at the Taiwan made DFI board I noticed the (except the Made in Taiwan is not blanked with white anymore) caps are different. Yes, the 5 main ones (Chemi-con KZG ones, 3300uF 6.3V) and the there 1500uF 16V by same brand are the same, but the rest is different from what I have on my China ones. Upon a close inspection I found to my HORROR, that these caps are Teapo ones! Now for these who aren't familiar with Teapos - they are known as bad caps brand. Definitively bad. They die. Theirs good specs in short time get worse and worse and... and the mobo become unreliable. For anyone think that I was not right, then see there:
The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage
Teapo - http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=424
List of Bad Cap Manufacturers
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=388
Teapo - http://www.teapo.com.tw
http://ax2.old-cans.com/badthingshap...wan%20mobo.jpg
God help the mobo...
Now conclusion - what all this means? Well, since Taiwan mobos are praised for their overclocking results, it obviously mean that the choice of the components for them was better - at least for the time being. ST caps specs can't stand against Teapos (well, for the time being it get reversed, but at first... amazing OC was possible!), witch explained the overclocker rumors about better Taiwan boards.
So, recommended action - replace immediately ALL the Teapos with some good brand caps (Samxon GA (when become available), Nichicon HZ, Rubycon MCZ, Chemi-con KZJ, Samxon GC, Nichicon HN, Panasonic FM) and then just enjoy your board back on rock-stable and reliable operation.
Even that I did not find anything better that the Panasonic FM ones (http://digi-key.com has them, still looking out for either Nichicon HZ or Rubycon MCZ for extreme OC), my mobo started to work reliable and as soon, as I add also the blocking caps, I try some OC and post results.
But definitively and finally, the mystery is solved. Taiwan mobos are at start notably better for OC that China ones. Later they suxx much more that China ones, since ST aren't bad brand of caps, though their specs suggest why the China ones clocked lower that the Taiwan ones did.
If anyone can provide me better caps, I still have 2 DFI mobos waiting for recapping, we can measure the differences. Even if I have to buy a oscilloscope ;)
To get any idea, how bad are those caps, the look there - the SEK specs:
http://www.teapo.com.tw/ftp/pdf/SEK.pdf
Teapo 1000uF 10V 12/02 A3 SEK 105°C - impedance 6 - ripple current 400 (1000 hours) 8x15
Not too bad for general purpose caps, but use these cap for filtering Vdimm voltage?! Insane at best!
The OST then (if they are OST) are a bit weird, since I can't find a RLF cap with the dimentions the ones I see on my board has - 8x15mm and 1000uF for 10V. Weird. The most closest one have this specs:
OST 1000uF 10V RLG O352 105°C - impedance 0.18 - ripple current 615 (2000 hours) 10x16 (8x15 they are!)
Rest check there:
http://www.ost.com.tw/docs/newost/pdf/RLG.pdf
...however it is also marked as bad cap...!
Now this is ironic or something... :(
Let's compare it with Panasonic FM (worsest of the better caps brands):
SEK 1000uF 10V - impedance 6 - ripple current 400 (1000 hours) 8x15
OST 1000uF 10V - impedance 0.18 - ripple current 615 (2000 hours) 10x16 (8x15 they are!)
FM 1000uF 10V - impedance 0.026 - ripple current 1790 (4000 hours) 10x16
Informative post trodas. I can't remember the context that I was referring to the tweaker screens though. Actually I never got tweaker to work on my board when I had it. I think it was one of the first versions. My initial LPII was a Taiwan one, Rev.A. http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/9...iwan5ra.th.jpg Back in the day it was one of the best. http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/2...atec8ez.th.jpg That was before I did the vdimm mod. I should have stopped there, but I went ahead later and did the additional ones for vcore. My soldering skills are not so good, and one of the ends eventually came loose causing a trace next to the socket to burn up. So it sits on the floor now. I got a second one after several purchases/returns. The China ones, one would not even boot in dual channel, I wanted nothing to do with. I did not know why they were different, although one was missing a couple caps that were on my first one. What I'm getting at, is the mosfets on my Taiwan are different from even what you show, and I just wanted to share that. The top row next to the chokes are AB326 while the bottom row has the CG339's. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/334...rows5az.th.jpg
I actually did get another LPII and use it for my daily computer.(no mods) I got it just before the release of the Ultra D's. It is a Rev.A but has the white out on it. However it is probably about as good as my first one. Mosfets on it are, top row:06N036LA/PD346, and lower row:09N03LA/LS410. I think the LPII boards are just awesome, the people who are happy with the ones they have should agree. My Taiwan has the VC320's at the vdimm, while the white out board has AC333 at the vdimm.