Still confused with tjis new naming... What are they gonna call those dual gpu cards?
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Still confused with tjis new naming... What are they gonna call those dual gpu cards?
dual gpus might end with 5 like 295 or 285
There is still the option to change the last number to 5. IE 295X for a VI dual card.
rebranded crap, but with great prices = many buyers!
There is no need to make a top to bottom replacement of all products if the architecture is essentially the same and under the same node. It's a refresh, not a new arch.
Think this way, my 7970 Ghz is now the mid range card, that's not bad.
R9 290x2 ? ( lol )Quote:
Originally Posted by Evantaur
Anyway, i doubt we will see a dual 290 ...
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by zir_blazer
While in this whole new rollout theyre using chips introduced earlier, PCB`s are new, memory chips are different ,clocks are different, 260X has trueaudio, and there are boost/eyefinity improvements.
Although, in 90% i agree with that statement ;-) .Thing is AMD kind of shoot itself in the foot, they introduce things like trueaudio, and then they offer it only in mid-low and ultra-high end segment.Thing is most enthusiast buys mid or mid-high end.As a 6970 owner i was looking for an upgrade this year, not many, but few games tend to be hard on my 3 year old card(notably GTA IV with icehancer i play lately).However i really want that trueaudio thing along with other improvements they made to the architecture in recent 2 years, but 500-700$ price range is totally out of my reach, so im gonna wait them out :P .
Kudos to AMD !
2816SP/512-bit in 430mm?/6 billions trannies is a big "tour de force" :up:
Waiting for results now.
That crap can play 99 percent of games on high settingsQuote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
It could do that almost 2 years ago too.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
I agree with your sentiment, but as the 280's are certainly upper mid range in AMD's new line up it's not too bad. Looking at the new Call of Duty requirements I imagine that a few people that decide against the PS4 or XBOne will be seriously considering an upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
he's right. amd, nvidia stop making faster cards. people don't like it :p :down::down:Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
thought this was xtreme systems? not "www.complain about new faster improved hardware just because it's not completely renewed in every single aspect.com"
re-brand or not, who complains about upgrades? more is more, get real people.
I won't lie, I'm disappointed. The main fanfare around the live announcement were the new technologies. From what I'm seeing here is the high-mid range will have none of them -wtf? Sure the value is good but NO Mantle.
I can live without true audio, but if Mantle is what it's all cracked up to be then this is mayor strike against investing in these cards. Since if the standard takes of and there is a good chance it will, then a year from now while the R9 290x might be the card to have, the R9 280x will be less then desirable.
The way I see it, somone has a 9970, decides to upgrade to the 280x, only to find out later they spent a huge amount of money on a bios upgrade.
I understand the rebrandings, but some people don't, there loss I guess :\.
But the 9970 isn't out? And if it was it would be next gen, and a huge downgrade to a 280x :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
Huh? As I understand it, Mantle will be supported across all GCN GPUs... i.e the older Radeon HD7000 series GPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex240
All GCN cards support mantle.. why do people keep arguing otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex240
https://semiaccurate.com/assets/uplo...MD_R9_280X.jpg
My bad, only goes to show how confusing this launch is. I was under the impression that only the new iteration - not know yet(version 1.?), of GCN will support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
It was mentioned as all GCN arch compatible, including 7000 series. Don't know how to get confused about that.
Oh my bad, I was so tired when I wrote that, I meant 7950 ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
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Originally Posted by kromosto
Highly doubt they would do that considering there is already an actual 295 dual GPU card out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciric
-PB
In case anyone was wondering... CONFIRMED: R9 280X & HD 7970 Work Just Fine In CrossfireX :up:
I believe the 7970 GE are better option, I'am wrong ?
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Source: http://videocardz.com/46558/amd-rade...icing-unveiledQuote:
The winter is coming
If you were afraid that you won?t be able to afford this card then don?t be. In Montreal, NVIDIA will be showing something that may change the pricing in high-end segment on both sides. It?s for gamers and it?s not ONLY a GPU (more information to come).
Wondering if I should be opening that 780 Classy that I have coming in, suddenly (paid ~$590+shipping thanks to evga discounts)... :eek:. I could just leave it unopened for a few days and see what's brewing, but I'm anxious to rip it open and use it :eek: . Just when I thought it was safe to do so...
IMHO I would say that yes, especially considering the prices if the 280X. If you have a HD7970 GE, I will recommend you to stick with it. I have the same card, ATM i have no rush in changing for the new Volcanic Islands.Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
I don't know why people are reviewing these cards - a simple link to the 2 year old 7970 review would have been sufficient (though haven't seen anyone do that, probably they did copy-paste ;) )
Also, there are no GE bundles with this ? 7970GE + 3 games is better than this rebranded crap , no ?
Meh, after some more benchmarks the 290X isn't looking as impressive. The larger the pool used for the aggregate score, the poorer the 290X is looking. In quite a few cases it's slower than a STOCK GTX 780. I should've stuck to the original four scores, it was looking better :p:
It's definitely going to have to come in at no more than $499 to sell to anyone other than those curious to try it out and die-hard fanboys. For anyone else, unless they're very specific about the applications and choose those which favour the AMD, there's little to no reason to buy one at a price point higher than $499. Ah well :(
Hard to imagine with 2816 SPs, more ROPs, better frontend and 900+ MHz clocks (at least that's what I expect). What are the actual clocks of your card under prolongued operation (not just short benchmark bursts) without changing any powertune settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
I was wondering about that too. Everyone are so quiet about Never Settle program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tao~
I agree, It seems the 290x will offer little more than 20% over a stock 7970GE. For me this is not an upgrade I can justify from a financial view point. I call 20% a minor upgradeQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
I will let the dust settle and consider the 280x to crossfire with the Lightning I have.
It looks very much to me that AMD has followed Nvidia in releasing a "new" card with the same arch as the old card and a few extra SP and larger bus width, calling it "new" and then re-branding the rest.
It is done this way to give the appearance of a "new" graphics card range, when in all reality nothing is new at all.
Those of us who pay attention notice this but not everyone pays attention. And that is what AMD and Nvidia hope for.
Touting minor performance increases as new to encourage upgrades and sell more cards, shame on both Nvidia and AMD :shakes:
However, I don't expect them to commit commercial suicide by saying "only 20%" faster than the previous single chip flagship card"
20 %? Now where'd you get that number? :D
Just a guess from looking at the specs. Perhaps my guess is wrong. All I see so far is 280X approx = 7970. Based on a quick and not considered in detail thought I came up with 20%
How quicker or slower than than the 7970 would you expect the 290X to be? ;-)
666 posts :devil:
perhaps because there have been massive improvement in driver performance, and at $300 they are a massive value. Many are completely oblivious to how good Tahiti was and still is, moreso given how cheap it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tao~
AMD claiming 2.6x scaling with 3 cards, that's impressive if true.
-PB
But it's nothing new. With proper settings, 3 cards scale very well today:
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...80&postcount=6
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...83&postcount=7
Well, taking into account shaders number and clock difference it should be roughly 32% faster than 7970 Ghz edition (if teh base clock of R290X is 850Mhz,things get muddy here however because it has bigger boost uplift, so it may spent longer times at boost or somewhat in the middle).
It would be somewhat in line with the firestrike scores AMD provided, which showed 6500 for R280X (which is slightly slower than GHZ ed) and somewhat above 8000 for R290X.To expect a lot more or less would be foolish.
@ [XC] Oj101
Should we expect Hawaii LE in next week or is it in distant future ?
Drivers have come a long way, but the biggest change has been AMD stacking the deck in reviews. I was looking at some of the 280x reviews and man has the testing suite changed for some reviews, for example anandtech, has 6 out of 9 games tested being gaming evolved titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dainas
The former Nvidia marketing guy that now works for AMD, has had a pretty big impact for AMD. Possibly even more of an impact than their engineering team. Because of anandtechs new gaming review suite, I could see another 10-15 percent added compared to their earlier benching suite.
I can't comment on launch dates, sometimes I'm sure not even AMD is too sure :rofl: It's difficult for me to give the precise ratio between the 780 and 290X due to slight platform differences between the two test systems and the 780 being tested with older drivers, but I'll settle for between 5 % faster and 5 % slower than a 780 OC. In some cases the 290X pulls a relatively nice lead over the 780 OC, in a few it sits a bit behind a reference 780.
As I said, the price will have to be right. The $729.99 seen on Newegg is too much, the performance doesn't justify a premium over the 780. The 780 OC being faster than a stock TITAN and the 290X bring so close to the 780 pretty much puts the nails in the coffin for the TITAN, though.
People should stop comparing ANYTHING to the TITAN, with a high price, low margins to AIB partners and very tight control as to what can and can't be done, most AIBs have 780s which are both faster and cheaper than the TITAN.
Which power connections does the 290x, and 290 use?
6+8pin for both?
surely yes.. they are certainly same PCB and identical outside the number of SP and clock speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
If numbers that [XC] Oj101 lists are true(+-5% Vs 780 OC), then 290x will be ~2% faster than Titan on average according to techpowerup. Or we could say it will be basically equivalent to Titan since 2% is meaningless difference. If AMD wants to make this card a hit, this (awesome) performance has to come with a lower than 780 OC pricing. Titan will be obsolete ( or better to say it already is with 780/780 OC on the market), AMD just needs to put a final nail in the coffin with aggressive pricing structure and great bundles.
There should be quickly 290x OC too.. When it come to Nvidia vs AMD in games ( or bench ) you will allways find some games who was allready a lot faster on AMD gpu, and some who was allready a lot of faster on Nvidia cards.., There you cant change this things, I dont expect something different of what we have seen on past. This can come from games developpement choice and sometimes it just a particularity / balance of the architecture who work just better in a case or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Im even curious to see what some can bring with a bit faster memory and a 100mhz clock increase, less TDP limit and better PWM.
64 ROPs confirmed!
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TBH, both AMD and Nvidia's cards perform way different than they did 2 years ago, and the 280x does perform differently than both the 7970 and the GE. While it isn't very exciting and it is a re-branding, it does at least show were both AMD/Nvidia's cards perform against each other within different market brackets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tao~
Also from what I read the R9/7 series dont have the game bundles because AMD wants to clear out the 7000 series stock, and once they diminish, the R9/7 series will get the bundles. I also assume the R9 290 will receive them since there is no inventory to worry about. I know it isn't very exciting as we all want to read about the 290.
Don't hold your breath for a 290X OC...
:shocked: this just what i wanted to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by kam03
also it is strange that how people react on this same performance with old generation thing. we have these level card nearly every new gen where mid range performs approximately same with old gens high end cards but why people complaining about it more now? i think it is because of order. generally the order was first show people the best performing one then the others, people won't bother mid range much but ati made the order reverse this time and i believe this made the current situation like this.
Personally my complaint is that they weren't able to improve/reduce power consumption. I would have hoped after nearly two years they'd have been able to improve the 7xxx/280 series in those regards.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
:) i can't argue on that. i have some ideas on it but they are just speculations of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
It's slightly different this time. Take a 7970 GE, slap a new sticker on it and you have a 280X. Older drivers even detect the 280X as a 7970.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
You'd be surprised how many people do argue it. I just don't see how the AMD midrange 280's can use as much power as the their flagship, and NVIDIA's top cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
I want more than just raw performance in a card.
Although, we'll just have to wait until NDA lifts, and see how the 290's really compare. :)
You don't happen to know anyone with a Mac Pro do you? Plug in a 280, and see if the OS X drivers support it like it does the 7970/50's?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
and that is true too. rebranding at this level is new but shouldn't change the result imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
my speculation on this is amd mostly focused on a card that will win performance crown over 780. so they won't perform much on mid range while nvidia also couldn't put a good card on market at that range too.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
That's all well and good, but the mid range cards usually sell the most.
According to retailers like OCUK, they're also not allowed to bundle games with the 280 cards like they do with the 7xxx series cards.
So they're really just shooting themselves in the foot. You can pick up a 7950/70 for cheaper than a 280 at the moment, and get free games with it.
There's also a bit of a power discrepency between the 280's, 770/80's and now the 290's. They all use the same power, and will perform near each other. Price and power are the deciding factor for me, along with OpenCL, and Open GL performance.
yes all seems like they are shooting themselves in the foot but i like all the strategic moves amd had done on gpu side last 1 ,1.5 year. so i don't believe or don't want to believe they will do something this foolish after all that good moves.
I really don't like me too the rebrand of the 7970.
But, I'm not gonna buy It because I own one already. And I am always interested by the most powerfull single GPU at a resonnable price. So AMD/ATI is the good choice for this. I believe we are many there to think the same. Best GPU each generation.
And in the low end, They have the 260. That a lot of people will be interested in. Cheap, powerfull, low power, new technologies, ...
Yes, now there is games that are better for the 7970. But the move, is not so stupid. The 7970 will sell much faster than the 280, and finish the stocks. And after, for sure, AMD will lower the price of the 280 and add the games too.
Its the same card with a different look. I believe, nobody shoud care about this one still its not cheap as the original one.
AMD Redlight program? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
no both use other's color on the light... amd will have greenlight :PQuote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
They may be the new upper mid range, but they suck exactly the same power as last 2 years absolute high end: a lot. The same for temps. You know, because it's exactly the same inefficient chip. A rebrand is just that, the same thing with a different name and a lower price (most of the time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
NV rebrands suck. AMD rebrands suck the same.
R9 270X 2GB ($200) have the same HD 7950 3GB ($200) Performance= The best choice HD 7950 3GB
R7 260X 2GB ($140) Lost 15% Comparison to HD 7850 2GB ($135) = The best choice HD 7850 2GB
Jesus AMD!!!What is this strange pricing for these rebrands card???:confused:
I think the best card of these new cards are R9 280X 3GB ($300) :up:
ROFL, well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
overclocking of hawaii is not too good like Tahiti! Max Tahiti was around 1250 MHz, Hawaii can be rock stable clocked aroun 1100/1150 MHz and mem around 6 GHz maximaly
It's a much bigger chip I imagine it will run into heat/voltage issues especially with its standard PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
AMD Radeon R9 290X and Radeon R9 290 Series Official Presentation Leaked ? 4K Gaming Performance Unveiled
Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-29...#ixzz2hEkIMcM5
Wait i put some crazy voltage in it ( lol i joke ) . as for the memory limit, i know the Phy size is smaller and will limit max mem speed, its a balance due to the 512bit bus and limit the size of it. ( The PHY size of Tahiti was monstruous anyway ).Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
if its not enough, we will need go for frankenstein style ( where is Sampsa ? ).
yes, but under ln2 is situation the same, worst then Tahiti, BUT 1,15 GHz Hawaii is monster with performance like 7990! (in many titles)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Mem OC will be weak with Hawaii due to some pretty sharp timing dropoffs at frequencies much greater than stock I fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Launch product should be Hynix, ~5-5GBps with faster timings, perhaps Elpida later (especially after the factory fire) which runs at ~6GBps but has looser timings (performance at 6GBPs elpida is comparable to 5.4GBPs Hynix)
It isnt really surprising that hawaii clocks worse than tahiti being much larger chip.
However, from my understanding hawaii`s base clock is 800/850 so its lower than both 7970 and ghz ed . so in essence arent they overclocking similarly ?
Then theres special editions like lightning.
You search info on the final clock speed ? i see up to 1ghz in some slides ..Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
Huum, i think it come from the PHY who have been designed for take less transistors / size .. Hynix are in general the one used for reference design on AMD .. The PHY is maybe designed a bit stretch on memory speed, but again, with a 512bit bus, i believe the memory should not be important for overclocking .. timing well i dunno, it can be good to tight them if the speed cant be up that much. .. the 512bit bus and new PHY change a lot of things on memory side... i will watch clock speed of the core first and dont forcibly move the memory to much at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/246...n-r9-290x.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
Thats one, but also few people "in the know" here and there were saying 800-850, 1ghz is the boost speed from all the information i gathered.
clock is dymanically changed from 800-1000 mhz, it depends on load and temp, it is the same like nvidia boost
typicl clocks in games is 920-960 mhz
The Anandtech article for the 280 showed that it mostly stayed at the max boost frequency during their tests, it probably has more to do with power draw than heat, though I'm sure it throttles when it gets hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
I dont think he's speaking about the 280 .Quote:
Originally Posted by Stukov
Anyway, AMD have introduce TPE ( Temperature Predicting Enhancement ) when they have release the 7970 ghz edition. It dont reduce Boost clock speed due to heat, it predict the temperature impact on TDP.. so, no, it dont reduce clock speed, in reality it improve the boost speed by taking in account temperature effect on the TDP overtime ... ( Nvidia have introduce a similar features in Boost 2.0 then )
Stukov - 280X is rebranded 7970 GHz with old Power Tune syst?m, 290X has new, different system
reviews will be 15th for both (290x and 290)?
Is there info out there on the 290's system? I know it isn't released so I hadn't seen anything, I was just assuming based on the 280, the 290 would act similarly. You could be right though.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
290X almost never would sit at base state (barring terrible throttling or something). Last clocks I saw were ~960-980 on warmup and ~920 once at thermal throttle. Give it some extra fan speed (default is 34%) and it should always stay at 960-980. Give it some extra power budget and it should sit at 1000-1070 (max boost bin, might not stay there even with a giant power budget though. Stock voltages are very high for top DPM state, to accommodate for bad yield chips).
Remember that DPM states don't behave like a base/boost, it smoothly transitions inbetween states very rapidly and has the ability to scale anywhere between 300-1070, it's unlikely it would decide on 800MHz.
Edit: to above, Hawaii uses DPM states which have different voltages and clock speeds for each bin, and it decides what bin to used based on die activity, measured temperature, predicted temperature, current on rails, predicted current, VDDCI/memory power consumption, etc. to hit exactly max spec power usage (208w by default).
Yes my friend :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Was waiting on an upgrade for my girlfriend's PC to see 260X reviews. Went and got a 7850 2GB for $124.99 after MIR. For my own build, I'm going to try to wait and see if there's a R9 270 (without the X)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
I'm most curious about the non-x 290 variant.
dude technically its not mixed CF... its the same exact card with a different sticker :PQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
no it is not act similarly as Tahiti, it is completely different. No base clock, only min and max. we have this card over three weeks here, i know how it is working :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stukov
Extra sticker, not different sticker. I don't know if it was only for early revisions or if all will be the same, but peel away the R9 280X sticker and tell me what you see :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk
what if i tell you when i peeled 7970GE sticker i found a r9-280x sticker? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
hmm so basically around 500-550€ (maybe 600) at least i hope for that... would be funny when we see 1:1 again when €/CAD is 1:1,4.
I'd say you were lucky to get some decent games bundled with that card :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
So what would you call it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk
Technically, according to AMD's CCC, it IS mixed Crossfire. ;)
Hmm, any word on unlocking shaders on non-x 290's?
So my good old watercooling supplier send me this today..
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EK Water Blocks is also working on a full-cover water block for the upcoming AMD? Radeon R9 290X flagship graphics card, based on the Hawaii XT GPU, which is due to release on October 15th 2013. Full-cover water blocks.
EK-FC R9-290X will be available in all five versions, and an aesthetic retention backplate will be available for purchase by October 18th.
Best regards,
EK Team
The main point as mentioned by your article as well, is that AMD chooses to make it CFX available, and Nvidia on the other hand does not allow for 770 to SLI with the 680.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
700 bucks for a R9 290X? I hope they can deliver a significant amount of performance above a 780 if that is the case. If not, Nividia will not be lowering prices on their 780 cards.
Where have you seen this price, 700$ ..? ( huum the preorder of the BF4 limited edition maybe ? )..Quote:
Originally Posted by nossy23
I like so much the Nvidia guys ( and im one before been an AMD guy ), but seriously,... AMD release a new GPU, what they think first, is " the price of Nvidia card.. " you cant fight against this, lol ...
Just for you, Nvidia will do a monstruous annonce in Montreal next week, and for tease it, they say: " this will radically change the price of the gpu market " .. maybe they will decrease the price of the 780 and Titan by 2, who know.. or maybe they will be 2x higher, who know..
( Nvidia Montreal conf is on the 16th October, the AMD launch is on the 15th .. Maybe with some luck, we will have in Montreal, Carmack, who will come praise the new low level extension for OpenGL nvAPI made by Nvidia )
http://www.techspot.com/news/54229-p...ed-at-699.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
Of course, nothing is set in stone. I hope this news is wrong.
funny thing is they raise the prices in gpu market by titan and now they will fix it and be hero ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
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Originally Posted by nossy23
that's about 600 bucks for the 290X and about 540 for the 290Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg83
Yes i know.. this is so much funny to see them coming with that..Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
But Nvidia have allways been able to surprise us, for the bad and the good, maybe, who know.. maybe we will see jens with a pink t_shirt and white glasses...
They dont even got the right spec, and you think they have the right price ? Its funny because i was think he was in the nda presentation in Hawaii .. As for Pre order, you will seen all and nothing as price.. untill they got the MSRP...Quote:
Originally Posted by nossy23
( i like how the 290 have a base clock of 900mhz for a 947mhz boost, and the 2900x have a base clock of 800mhz and 1000mhz boost.. completely logic.. ) ... 44Rops.. lol