Wouldnt the price of $649 make the GTX280 roughly the same price as 2 4870's in xfire ?
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Wouldnt the price of $649 make the GTX280 roughly the same price as 2 4870's in xfire ?
Any pricedrops for the 9800gtx?
Thinking about getting one..
That article is from 1.5 years ago...that slide was from a few days ago. Maybe its just friday, but Im not making the connection.... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
...but the power consumption of such a setup doesn't sound fun though :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMulta
The slide is also 2 years old but i didn't notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas420221
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...m,1227-17.html
Okay, but the question is now if 2 oc'd 4870 will outperform 1 oc'd GTX 280, that would be interesting to know. What is sure is that the Ati couple will need more juice to do it's job... what's left is how will these $-prices translate into €. If it's really 419€ then this is really nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
€419 for the 260 maybe, We will be lucky to get the 280 for less than 550 euro going on previous 8800GTX prices...Quote:
Originally Posted by p2501
Heh... good catch! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
Thought the same, if price drops on GX2 might get one of those (again) :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by triple_A
In the article you could read "no leaks to the inq" which you also could read from the picture someone posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas420221
Less than 550 for an EVGA of BFG would be tolerable if it's like the g80 in the sense of lasting around 2 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by conzymaher
Can someone post the prices from the pic? Its filtered out here at work.
$450 and $650
Same. However, patience is key in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by xt0m
mabye the height shall indicate the price. seams reasonable that 9800 GTX will be cheaper when GTX 280 and 260 come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Is E6600 2,4 @ 3,1 a big bottleneck for G- monsters?
I love the INQ for letting us know about that GT200b tape-out!!!
If the INQ were not around, some of us buyers would be real pissed off when Nvidia releases a cooler, faster, more power-efficient 55nm version 2 months later, or less!
For sure, it will be more power-efficient (nearly 100mm^2 less silicon--exactly the same as 8800GTX/Ultra, and cooler temps). I also think it should be able to clock at least 5% higher, if not 10% given the huge number of transistors/power consumption/silicon die size estate thanks to 55nm.
This has just priced me out of the market, i'll have my 8800GTS O/C card a year in July...was considering an upgrade, now....not.
Bo_Fox the 55nm refresh will more than likely be released in November/December.
And to be honest, the possibility of a 55nm refresh sounds like old news to the ones who have been watching the GPU's "revolution" for a year or so.
History repeats itself ;)
hmmm... this year is going to be a expensive year... 600€ for GT280, 500€ for a new phone, + 1600€ for nehalem.
€500 for phone?, i'm guessing a 3G Iphone?
screw the iphone, im going for the HTC Diamond/Raphael, Samsung SGH-i900 or the Gigabyte GSmart MS808. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
thought i think i cant wait for the MS808, cause the diamond it to tempting. :D
IMO those high prices are indicative of the lack of Ati 4xxx series performance... :/
again... :/
Funny how one obviously biased idiot writing a single article can sway the opinions of so many people.
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Originally Posted by DaMulta
I'm not a green freak:)Quote:
Originally Posted by RaZz!
I just hope a antec 1k could hold up to the job oced to the max....another psu might be needed.
280 performs 44.4% better than 260 then? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
i'll answer that one myself:
NO, but that's the price of being at the top of the dungheap:hehe:
on a more positive note; the $450 price does sound quite reasonable....but might have to wait a while until this actually occurs in the shops. prices will be gouged to deth until supply is plentiful.Quote:
However, patience is key in this situation.
Do you guys think the gtx 280's will come with a 6-pin to 8-pin adapter?
My PSU has two 6-pin connectors only.
3870x2; some came with adaptors, and some didnt.
it's easy to make one if it doesn't. I bet it will work with just 2 6pins.Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
looks like ownage to me, at 65 or 55nm :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
65nm right now.
GOD F%$*!# D$@*& I I NEED BENCHMARKS i cant wait :p:
Folk should be able to dissect it, making themselves astute to the situation at hand. It's better to wait for the refresh before buying the 260/280. Unless that manufacture allows you to step up to the new revision.Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
GTX 280 is looking to be G80 reborn, right down to the launch price and potential to be futureproof. Now I 'know' my 8800GTX can go to pasture without compromise:)
I think that after the G92 and the 3800 series people are going to have a hard time swallowing 550+ for a video card. They have fed us a normally unheardof level of performance at the $150-250 price range, something that normally costed $400-500 easy.
$350 is most most I could see myself spending on a videocard. And now with Tri sli, 650 per card is a bit steep...
i know right! the iphone will be 199$ with a 2 year commitment (2 models a white and black version),Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
o and btw the new PS3 will be out as well which i need.:D
At least AT&T is willing to subsidize the iPhone now..
You think it's worth waiting 4 or 5 months to get the same exact card, albeit a tiny bit cooler and less power hungry...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Couldn't disagree more.
650$ US is kinda cheap (not for the Americans, but most others). With import taxes (+25%), bought in the USA, this is still cheaper than 8800 GTX was in my country (Denmark). Compared to my XFX 8800 Ultra XXX, it will be ridiculously cheap to buy.
Excellent :)
Do you fully understand the situation? Are you 100% certain that there are no benefits with the revised core? If so, it makes sense to disagree. But if you are not 100% sure it does not make sense. If you paying $600+ for a video card that's high end you expect to get the best quality that series of card has to offer. That also includes any revisions that comes along with it. Having said that, I couldn't disagree with your disagreement more!Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
i think the GTX 280 will be 55nm at lunch ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
make one?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMulta
Is that the revised designed?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.Ron7aldo
Be it true or not it's 55nm or otherwise, the issue remains that its wise to spend your money getting the GT200b ;)
Well again, if you keep waiting for better revisions you will never buy anything as there is always something better a few months down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
I think what's important is when this supposed revision will come out. BenchZowner, who seems like a reliable source, said that a revision will probably not come out until November/December. That's too long to wait for basically the same card.
Now if it were going to be out in late July I would strongly consider waiting.
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Originally Posted by natty
It's revision, not revisions. That makes all the difference here between our dialogue on the subject. Besides, statements like that are intended when going from one gen to the next gen. Not when you know ahead of time that there will be a revision in GT200 before it's actually released! Besides, there is no actually ETA set so we really don't know when to expect GT200b based cards.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/950...oducingeo6.jpg
nVidia G80 = 581 million
nVidia g92= 754 million
nVidia gt200 = 1400 million
ATI R600 = 700 million
ATI RV670 = 666 Miljoen
ATI RV770 = 900 million ?
ATI R700 = 1800 million total ?
nVidia 8800GTX = 518 Gflops
nVidia 8800ultra = 576 Gflops
nVidia 8800GT = 504 Gflops
nVidia 8800GTS = 624 Gflops
nVidia gt200 = 933 Gflops
nVidia 9800GTX = 576 Gflops
ATI R600 = 474 Gflops
ATI RV670 = 500 Gflops
ATI R680 = 1006 Gflops
ATI RV770 = 1008 Gflops ?
ATI R700 = 2016 Gflops ?
8800gtx ruled for how long? although price did fall over time.Quote:
Well again, if you keep waiting for better revisions you will never buy anything as there is always something better a few months down the line
i wonder whether 4870X2 will compete with gtx280 or not ?
mm me thinks about a 4850 and a gtx260 to replace my current cards....maybe.
The 2 extra pins are just ground. Just need the correct 6 pin and 8 pin plug/jack, wire, and pins.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
You said 'its better to wait for the refresh' even though we don't even know when that refresh comes out.:)
Why are you guys so concerned about G200b? NV will do basicly the same they did with G80-->G92. If you want the GTX 280 perfomance just buy it now.
Be that as it may, it relates to the issue of the validity of the Inquirer article informing those of what to expect if you thought of buying a GT200 now vs waiting until the GT200b is released. That is the point of it all :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
Well, I for one will take the 50 dollar step up and get rid of this GX2. I find a single card to be better than two and this looks like just the replacement for me. My GX2 flies, but I am on my third card now after RMAs.
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Originally Posted by Hornet331
....wreaking the benefits of new age technology.....PRICELESS!
So if the cards launch on 18th June, when will they be avaliable in stores like Newegg?
My guess is on the same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaac MM
Which should be viewed in light of the author's transparent hatred of Nvidia and his laughable history of recommending holding off purchasing the G80 in favor of waiting for the R600 numbers about which he stated:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...rts-thickeningQuote:
Originally Posted by A Shill
Charlie's goal is to write anything that might prevent people from buying Nvidia, period.
Yeah he didn't have a good record w/ R600 vs. G80 *but* no one else did either. In fact, going off rumors at the time, half the people didn't even think it had a unified shader architecture.
Anwyays, he does have a hatred of Nvidia but a lot of what he said in that article is true - you just have to sift through the facts from the spin and the conclusions
A lot of people thought the G80 didn't have unified shaders because of Charlie saying it didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
god welling maybe the day before :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
i think the most i have ever spent on a videocard was a 6800gt for $388 bucks back in the day.
Charlie from the INQ hates on nVidia like its a part of his religion.
Usually, it takes like 3 months in between the tape-out and the product availability.. am I right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Be careful--you might end up calling yourself one if you buy a GT200, only to see a 55nm version released right after you started to enjoy your 65nm card! What one says can show a lot about one's own potential self-criticism.. (Just kidding--rubbing you the wrong way, eh? :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
i Hope newer and better games will challenge the GTX 280's power. hehehe
Life to short to worry about stuff like that. Its not like we are going to see a crazy amount of performance difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
The only people who should care about this stuff are benchers aiming for the record. Theres not going to be a big difference in playability.
Knowing the intentions of this guy and listening to a tool like charlie, is foolish and playing into his game. A guy that calls a card slow and obsolete which is the 2nd fastest thing availible at the time obviously has a different agenda on his mind.
Just like many people around here hate AMD and ATI. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Charlie + nVIDIA = validity = unknown word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Please don't tell me that after reading the quotes from his "articles" ( Laugh out loud please ) in the previous page you still believe anything from this guy...
For what it's worth I'm telling you that in February 2009 nVIDIA will come up with a 55nm "enhanced" refresh of the 55nm refresh of the "GT200" you're going to start advising people to wait till then ?
In IT if you wait and believe everything that can be found in the wild from various "authors" with or without sources, with hate or without, then you'll never upgrade.
Childish behavior, pretty much like "mister" Sanders in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Periander6
There were news that had some correct info, but of course that wasn't from the Inquirer, DailyFetch :p: or the "trustworthy" chiphell, bleachhell, blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
You just need to filter what you read.
Also using something like saying that nobody got the info right back then, does not help or withdraws what TheInq and any other site that call themselves reliable with those obviously biased, and pure speculative "articles".
When I don't have a clue about something I do not talk about it, and of course I'm not saying things that originated from my "wildest dreams or nightmares".
I'd rather not say something or publish a not so sure article, than losing my credibility.But that's just me...
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
3 to 4 months from tape-out to production yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
To availability ? That depends on what the manufacturer wants to do ;)
Some hate, some love some companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
You don't have to "listen" or "believe" them though.
You have the right to filter & think about what you read.
However, posting just that isn't what I'd call constructive, offering nothing, and of course opening the ground for a flame-war.
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Originally Posted by Isaac MM
I thought they'd hit channels/resellers on 3rd already?Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
So should deffo be in stores by 18th..
Any preorder available yet?
I think there's nothing to worry.
It was said from the beginning that would exist some 65nm AND 55nm.
It was said that Nvida is playing safe.... and will use the 55nm FIRST in the low-end as a test.....
pretty sure that AFTER some successful test, there will be a TOP 55nm chip............. just after..... let´s see how the low-end 55nm chip behave.
IMO
I can still remember the same stupid comments because 7800GTX was supposed to be hot, and they had a display model with a burned out transistor at a show. TheInq went crazy over it. That's when Fudo was anti nVidia as well, mind you Fuad has never been this bad.
They said the same thing about 7900, 8800, and now GT200.
Silly isn't it.
I think the new wave of graphic cards will last for a looooong time since game devs won't bother to add more complexity to their games more than what a 360 and ps3 can do, maybe just a bit higher detail here and there but not too much, we already reaching the limits of what those consoles can do and they are going to stay on the market for some good years until the next gen.
Very true, I think even the 8800GTX will last another year easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loque
awa man i want one of these new cards but dang theres another one coming in Sept, damn i dont know wtf to do i just dont know if i can continue to hold off :(
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...erformance.jpg
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeFo...ance/5817.html
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CJ sent us a performance chart comparing Radeon HD 3870 X2 against the GeForce GTX 280 and GTX 260 on some of the games out there. Although, the benchmarks are done internally by Nvidia but it is probably conclusive to compare GTX 280 and GTX 260 here. The drivers for GeForce GTX 200 cards is the upcoming GeForce Release 177 while the drivers for 3870 X2 is a rather old Catalyst 8.3.
Cat 8.3? lol
Would cat 8.6 or 8.5 make a visible difference?
Even then I don't believe anyting on the slide. The slide says the GTX-280 is 103% faster then the HD3870X2 overall. I only believe impartial reviewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
Why not? It's quite possible. If GTX280 is around 20% faster than 9800GTX2 it's close to 100% faster than 3870X2 in many games. Less in some more in others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
A lot. Cat 8.3 date from 4 March. To Cat 8.6 (begining June) will be 3 months difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
But you know, those benchmarks are from PR Nvidia. They don´t use Cat 8.5 for a simple reason. The graph will look diferent.
For example, the Cat 8.5 release Notes:
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The following performance gains are noticed with this release of Catalyst™.
* Call of Juarez DX10: Performance increases up to 12% on systems containing an ATI Radeon™ HD 3xx0 series of product
* Halo: Performance increases by 10-30% across all of the supported ATI Radeon™ series of products
* Lost Planet DX10: Performance increases from 5 to 35% on systems containing an ATI Radeon™ HD 3xx0 series of product
* Stalker DX9: Performance increases by 20-50% when HDR is enabled in the game; across all ATI Radeon™ HD38x0 series of products
* World in Conflict DX10: Performance increases up to 25% on systems containing an ATI Radeon™ HD36x0 and/or an ATI Radeon™ 38x0 series of product. Higher performance gains are noticed on systems contianing an ATI Radeon™ 3870x2 series of product
Shouldn’t they’ve put GX2 in that slide instead of 3870 X2 ‘cos GTX280 is replacement for GX2’s price segment…
So this amounts to something like (faster than 3870X2):Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
GTX280 -- 125% 83% 81% 48% 150?% 110% 108% 38% 58% 150%
GTX260 ----- 75% 55% 50% 25% 150% 65% 70% 15% 30% 133%
Well either way if according the release note only game in comparison here ( and I bet Nvidia chose the ones that work the best on their hardware) only in World in Conflict ( if DX10 run) the green bars would be a bit lower in this Nvidia Graph...(unless previous cats improved the other games too : too lazy too look there)Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
Secondly I've seen this being mentioned many times that overal performance improves but 25% that's a big one mate...like going form 20 laggy to 25 playable frames with same hardware...
But overall if we can believe the data, these Nvidiots are gonna be screamers on ya screen and in ya pocket too... and they are in a total diferent market segment then 3870X2 which cost half the price...
Hard to compare these cards bang for the buck....
Crysis + 1920x1200 (very HIGH) = 2009 !
Those results (if remotely true) are all over the place. Specially the differences between 260 and 280. Look at how the 260 is on par with the 280 in COJ and, the 260 is nearly as good as the 280 in WOC? While in other games like:
Fear
COD4
UT3
results are hardly impressive. In most cases the 260/280 tries to be at least 1.8 times better then the X2 but it still fell short in Fear, COD4 and UT3. When you look at it from this POV results are up here, down there. The 260 ties the 280 here and just as good 280 there. In all, performance results are all over the board!
but the 3870x2 gets the same in all games i don't think so
The 1.00 represents 1x 3870X2 performance... so of course it's not going to vary from itself!Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
Hehe,Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
No, the graph doesn't show FPS. It shows percentage. The HD3870x2 stays always at 100%, so you can see how much percent the GTX-260 and 280 are better then the HD3870x2
just PR spin
Even though CJ has some reputation, these graphs must always be looked at with very careful eyes... Drivers were not the best for HD3870X2, and it's a nVidia graph, comparing a rival product. If it were from a reviewer, it would have much more meaning, IMO, if done with the right settings.
Mind is, always look at info like this as not being the real truth, but nVs perspective about it ;)
It's not CJ's own graph - he just sent in nvidia's PR one
Heh... pretty bad scores on those slides. 50-70% faster than a 3870X2 on average for the GTX 260, yet a pair of 8800GT 512's in SLI runs about 50% faster on its own, costing $250-300, versus the GTX 260 for $450 with only 10-15% better performance per these charts to that setup. I just pulled my eBay listings for my pair of cards just in case... hedging my bets ;). Especially with the fact that these are nV slides (if true) that would indicate a favorable setting for the GTX 260/280, meaning the difference could be smaller. I find it interesting it shows some of them as 2x faster or more but in those ones it shows the 260/280 as both very high which makes it odd.
Where do I say it's CJ's graph???????Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Damn it man, read the god damned post correctly.
Where was I responding to you :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
a little edgy aren't weQuote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Maybe a bit, my day wasn't properly a bright sunshiny day, I apologize if was too impetuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
I prefer to buy a single Gpu card like the G200 than the 3870x2 , even if the performance are not so good as we could expect .
At least in this case , there will be no problem with the driver for the futur games ! :)
^ That reminds me of Cid from Final Fantasy 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
"Sit your ass down in that chair and drink your goddamn TEA!" :p:
Sorry just had to. ^^
So shouldn't we see some leaked benchmarks soon? :p:
You guys are really under rating the 3870X2...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
In alot of games ( besides Crysis ), its beating the Ultra quite alot...
http://bp1.blogger.com/_veswGS4uNJQ/.../08_result.png
If the GTX280 really is twice as fast as the 3870X2 without the pain in the ass that is crossfire/sli, then its a huge improvement imo..
A single card that is twice as fast as the Ultra, what do want?
Guys expecting it to be much faster ( 50% ) than a 9800gx2 in games that scale well are crazy imo...
4870 vs GTX 260 should be quite interesting :)
Perkam
Cat 8.3 vs Cat 8.4+Hotfix:
http://www.rage3d.com/articles/vantage%2Dhotfix/
There are the Cat 8.5. You can clearly see by that the graph made by Nvidia hould be totaly diferent if they use Cat 8.5. The diference is huge.... like day/night.
Yeah didn't you know it always scores 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d