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NFM has made a bios mod of 1.9 official lol.
And Lestat why would every motherboard designer use vid + a percentage if they could just choose a value. Its because AMD has looked the maximum VID to 1.45 like i said.
Maybe its the motherboards fault they cant unlock the cpu higher multis too ..... not.
This official 1.9 bios is different than that which was used by NFM.
Bios 1.90 - 08.07.2005
Official 1.90 - 12.07.2005
side effect.
the % over VID didnt matter with the winchester and newcastles correct ? maybe it did and i just was never told about why the % is there.
and the % over VID is nothing more than more VID its not saying, "lets sneak an extra 5% voltage in the back door and trick the cpu". thats impossible. its simply upping the voltage more than the 'VID' setting.
they dont need to have the %. Murdok made a bios where he had the % removed and the standard VID showed all voltages all the way to 1.7 and it worked...
i guess i can say ok yes the cpu is locked to not allow more vid than xxx amount. but if thats the case then i dont understand how the % is making the cpu not realise there is more voltage there.... unless the % stage is added in after the CPU VID Check.. which again is impossible in my thinking. the CPU would be constantly aware of what voltages its receiving.
you kind of see what i am saying ?
No the VID does matter with newcastle its just that the maximum set by ~AMD was 1.55 instead of 1.45 because it was a different manufacturing process.
Thats why corecenter shows a reading of 1.7 when u set 1.6 with a 0.9nm cpu.
Didnt try Murdoks bios that used all values instead of percentages the only one I tried had normal method. But if he did do that then he is still using the percentages he just labelled them as values to make it easier for the end user.
hhmmm i didnt know the max was 1.55 on the newcastles... interesting.
i figured it was just the mobo makers doing that to prevent massive over volting..
ill have to read up on how the % over VID actually works. id like to know how and at what stages its 'tricking' the cpu. as i just dont see howyou can trick something with a voltage lock to not know there are more volts going into it.
and yeah , his bios was flakey as are most of the ones he does lately.. sorry murdock but your slipping. and yeah i pretty much figured he just renamed the % and removed it then added them under VID but it was still the same thing as using a %.
i dont know somehow i can actually see AMD telling mobo makers,,, "dont you try to bypass or voltage locks cuz if you do,,, your in trouble" or its an actual stipulation from amd when making these boards. lol so they dont do it.
either way thanks for the info.. its rather early for learning especially on a saturday that should be nothing more than a "mindless overclocking with disregards to all limits of your hardware" type of day.http://smilies.sofrayt.com/^/aiw/crazy.gif
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hiya,
couple of days ago I wrecked my pc
so I'm going to get a s939 setup (MSI k8n neo2 prolly)
I guess that nobody has any bad experiences with this mobo?
plz reply
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Its not so much tricking the cpu. The cpu is programed to have a maximum of 1.45 volts on the vid so the motherboard manufacturers use that because there is no point not to.
Then the motherboard makers can use percentages to set higher vcores to cpu the cpu doesnt have a limit of 1.45 in the sence of no more voltage can pass threw it. It just wont select more with the VID.
Xyus
Read the thread. The last 40 pages are people griping about how the latest bios revisions suck and the board doesn't properly support venice, san diego, or the new dual core cpus.
If I was buying today, there's no way in hell I'd get this board. If MSI ever releases a bios rev that's as stable for me as 1.8 (works great for me anyhow) AND properly supports the dual core cpus, then I'd be able to recommend this mobo but so far it's been a bad purchase decision because it's just as much of a technological dead end as a socket 754 mobo would have been.
Hell, if I'd just gotten a 754 mobo instead back when I last upgraded, I'd have saved enough money to buy a new nforce4 socket 939 now to go with a dual core cpu.
My Venice works fine in this board with the 1.9 bios, it worked well with the 1.8 bios also, except for 'cool and quiet', which now works in 1.9...
I doubt a lot of these problems people are having are solely the boards fault.
My Neo2 doesn't work with the official bios because of my Prometia. It won't boot and give's the "warning have option rom can not be invoke" message, which is a bios temp problem found way early on. I can't believe they released the bios with this problem. 1.8 doesn't have this problem. I also have AGP problems with any of the 1.9 or 1.A3 bios'. My online gaming in BF1942 Forgotten hope starts to stutter after a couple hours of playing. Then, if I switch to single player mode, the game locks up after loading a map. It doesn't lock the system it just locks the game and I can't get out to the desktop, but I know everything is working because I can hear people in Teamspeak still talking and I can talk to them. Really weird because as soon as I go back to 1.8 everything's fine. I'm using a 4400+ and an X850 XT PE vid card. It's really frustating...stock or overclocked for memory or HT, it doesn't matter. It's definetly a bios problem because everything works right with 1.8, but I can't use the dual core with 1.8 which sucks. :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:
I couldn't have said it better myself. Most computer "problems" that I have come accross have been USER problems. Some people on this forum have it set in their head that their chip should hit a certain speed......it is simply the LUCK OF THE DRAW. Sometimes you get a sweet chip and a sweet board, other times you get a lemon. I believe that Lestat should have RMA'd his board a while ago if he is in fact having all the issues that he is. I do doubt that his board has that many problems though.... I'm not going to get into it, but when people without knowledge try to teach others, all you end up with is a bunch of people that don't know anything at all. (The blind leading the blind....."I see, said the deaf man to his dumb wife.) Anyway, that's my rant for today.....I personally have had no problems with this motherboard other than bad software voltage readings. My CPU however is a lemon.....needing 1.6v to hit 2.55GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibn
After reading all the replies and trying to figure out what BIOS to use I narrowed it down to three (1.41Mod -1.81t MOD - 1.9 Offcial). After trying all three it found that 1.9 gave me the best overclock/stable performance. The only problem I have now is that after flashing to the 1.9 I can't seem to get my Nvidia Lan working. I have tried to flash back to an early bios but it still will not work. My system is listed below, nothing special but it plays World of Warcraft superb.
A64 3700+ San Diego @ 2750mhz 1.5v
OCZ 1gb 3200 Rev2 Plat 2.5-3-3-5 @ 250mhz
MSi Neo2 Plat 1.9O
Ati x800xtpe
Does anyone have any idea on how I can get nvidia lan working again? I’m using the official Nvidia Chipset drivers.
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Originally Posted by flick
Hi Flick i have the same cold issues thats why We got NFM to make no temp mods of the 1.9 bios. So you can use them. I think Murdok has also started making no temp versions of the bios files he makes to. They stop the temperature showing in bios so the bios will load setup. Temps in windows still work fine :)
hhmm interested about the nvlan not working... does the Realtek lan work fine 100% of the time ?
try disabling that.
do not use NVLAN MAC in the bios leave that alone dont even turn it on.
hhmm whatelse.... just combinations of different things i guess.
also try NFM's 1.9 modded bios.
have you contacted MSI about this ?
S.E. -
you getting anywhere with your testing of the 1.36 mod NFM did ?
as in overclocking vs 1.8 and overall performance and stability ? oh and did your voltages go higher like you wanted ?
Because i damaged my spare bios chip i havnt tried flashing any bios files yet. Think i might order another spare before i flash again. :stick:
oh thats right... you said you only bent the leg of chip did you do a full break on it.
where are you getting the chip from and how much ? i might have to invest in one.
hey bro can you post that dll file since I can't find it anywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
Any of you experiencing this video card freez for 5 seconds and than resuming of the game ? Any fixes for that yet, i am 99% sure its the NF3 chip and the crappy drivers for it. Thanks
yeah might be informative to know where to get a bios chip from....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
turbodiv:... did u have fast write disable yet?
long time ago. I have done all those little tweaks about it... I wait for ultimate solution
Turbo take it from me or not but i can guarentee you that the card is bad.
The freezing is caused by bad memory on the card. BFG has confirmed this is 100% fact several times with me on the phone and one of them was the Supervisor that i asked to speak with cuz i was on my 3rd 6800 GT with bad memory. He confirmed that the 5 sec stall is caused by bad memory on the cards and ALL 6800 series card makers are aware of this and nvidia is working with them to rectify it. but this was at ATLEAST 10 months ago......
I just got a eVGA 6800 Ultra and it does the same :banana::banana::banana::banana: and im mad as hell... basically most of them will run at stock speeds but any overclocking over stock will cause it to lock for 5 sec's
Lower your overclock on the card and it will go away.... if it does not then the card is REALLY bad...
RMA the card and dont go telling them its overclocked but express to them that its been shown on by several card makers that this issue is indeed bad ram on the cards.
Also be sure to make sure the heatsink screws are tight. If you really want remove the HSF and put some arctic silver on the GPU and ram ,, and of course remove the old white crap they use...
if that dont work just rma it. I went thru 3 6800 GT's before i actually got a good one and when i did wow she would roll at 450/1200 24/7
this ultra of mine starts locking at 435/1150 stock on the eVGA is 425/1100 so i might as well not overclock at all. but this card IS getting rma'd the bad ram may only show during overclocks but it WILL start to show at stock speeds within a month. The ram will start failing.
My card is one of the first LEadtek 6800s so my warranty is gone. The thing is that i changed 2 motherboard with this video card - DFI NF2 Ultra and now i am on NEo2 platinum and I experienced same thing on both boards. I actually take your explanation as locgical since my card does not overclcok its memory very well. Even at 800 memory i am experiencing red dots in my movies from time to time. The freez happens when i play for a long time usually 3 hours and i get 1 of those. I guess heat might the problem but i already put AS5 in there...
the trick is that you dont hear about ATI cards doing this so you know its not the mobo chipset.
are you positive leadtek doesnt have a better warrenty that card is only 2 years old. the 6800's havent been out THAT long.
come to think about it... my 6800U also has this problem... since i BIOS flashed it to 425/1100... summer seems to be too much for it... the freezing went off after i downclock to 400/1000...