ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

Well, I called ASUS today to ask about the promises made months ago to recreate the 1.02G issues there, and my case shows no updates since the first guy talked to me. SO now I'm going home to forward the emails I sent on the issue since that first call.

Meanwhile, it sounds a LOT like no such recreate-there plan would ever have been offered, and now even getting a newer revision instead of a 1.02G is OUT. Repaired is all I was just promised, and only if they can recreate the issue.

NO amount of anecdotal evidence is acceptable. Everyone who posts here has the same issue? Too bad, you needed to RMA the board so they can document it. I'm told NOBODY has sent in a 1.02G board to be documented as non-working with 45nm CPUs. And if the Engineers said the P5W DH Deluxe worked with 45nm CPUs, that means ALL revisions were documented as working, despite field failures.

If only I'd been told this months ago, instead of the we'll recreate it story...

Excuse me,
I have 2x WD on raid0 (Intel sata).
Is it save to update the bios?
I'm afarid to lose the raid0 setup.

If I still had a 1.02g board available I would have sent it in, but I gave the extra board to a friend over a year ago...

Right now, I'm just going to limp along for another year or so, until I feel that the time for the i7 upgrade is right.

Of course, I'll be looking into the best non-ASUS motherboard for the job...

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Originally Posted by Majed

Excuse me,
I have 2x WD on raid0 (Intel sata).
Is it save to update the bios?
I'm afarid to lose the raid0 setup.

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You can update the bios with no problem to RAID.

After update the bios just put the RAID options as same as before.

Work all fine.

Mikepaul:
why don't you sell your P5W and grab a Ud3p? Instead of limping along, you'd be cruising at 4 ghz. (or you can keep the p5w as backup just in case the other board is doa).
I would have gotten that board if I didn't have an unlocked multiplier.

Is there any way to resolve the "vCore auto" problem in BIOS with my p5w dh deluxe 1.04g?
I'm using E7200. Bios 2801

I've already tried downgrading to 2701, etc..
also tried clearing CMOS

thanks!

Guys i am about to upgrade to vista 64 ultimate. Specs are below

3.4ghz e6750
2gig ddr 800mhz corsair
450gig hd raid (0)
asus p5w dh latest bios 2801

I have never installed vista before, and have just bought another 2 gig of ddr 2 to put in my pc. Do i need to enable memory remap before os install, and do i need to decrease the mem speed from default 800mhz to 667mhz as i have heard once you have 4 sticks in.

What about raid, do i install that like i do in xp? Anything else i should know?

If you install 64 bit OS then enable memory remap, however you can do it any time after installing, only then you can use all your 4GB of memory, if disabled you get about 3.2-3.6GB, depends on how many cards you have in your system and how many controllers enabled in BIOS.
If your E6750 works at 3.4GHz so you have nive overclock by FSB :) Your FSB works at 425MHz, so your memory works at 850MHz, if you use 1:1 multiplier, most of all 4 memory modules can't work on P5W at such high frequirency then FSB overclocked more then ~380MHz, so if you get troubles (test memory by Memtest86 or something else), then decrease memory frequirency.

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Mikepaul:
why don't you sell your P5W and grab a Ud3p? Instead of limping along, you'd be cruising at 4 ghz. (or you can keep the p5w as backup just in case the other board is doa).
I would have gotten that board if I didn't have an unlocked multiplier.

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$137 could go towards the new i7 system next year. Paying that to replace a supposedly working board (ask them: 1.02G is supposedly able to use 45nm CPUs just like the other versions) isn't going to make me feel better.

But the whole Gigabyte-instead-of ASUS idea is wonderful...

That's true, but your Quad could reach 4 ghz now, and that will be good enough for at LEAST another year, and then you can get a core i7 in 2010.

If I were in your situation, I would do that right away.

Really tempting. Hoping for $150 to fall in my lap...

So did everybody leave when the site went down for a while, or is everybody suddenly problem-free?...

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Originally Posted by Falkentyne

If I still had a 1.02g board available I would have sent it in, but I gave the extra board to a friend over a year ago...

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I am 3-4 mobos past my P5W which was relegated as a standby mobo for over a year. But I got around to sending in my 1.02G board today to the local service centre cos it was getting errratic just trying to get it to POST. Hope Asus Taiwan gets their hands on it in the near future, somehow.

Got a brand new P5B Premium V.E set as replacement and I promptly installed Win 7RC for a spin, posting with it now. Guess it's game over for my P5W DH Dlx experience, wishing you guys still hanging on to their P5W all the best. :D

old board, most would have moved on I guess

im still using mine as a back up with a e6700 es in it havent had any problems at all its a ver.1.03
Rich

I leave when the site went down, I have a "new" P5W DH Deluxe 1.03G. A month ago i saw this piece at $58 inc taxes in my local wholesale and i cant say no. I use all components from my old configuration ( E4400, 2 x 1GB Kingston DDR2 667, Seagate 160GB 7200.10 + Samsung 250GB, Gigabyte 2600XT 256MB DDR3 ) In the beggining it was a little unstable but after read this threat and some tweaking in BIOS it runs just fine. I didnt test overclock yet, i wish i could do it this week. What I tried its windows 7, both x86 and x64, with a very nice results, but i have some doubts. I want to put some 45nm processor here, like E7400 or E8400 Is it run stable? I read some people having real trouble to set their 45nm processor and also I read some people here taking their 45nm to 4GHz. In Asus's support forum some people also have trouble setting Windows 7 x64 in 45nm processors with BIOS 2801 and 2704, They tried downgrading BIOS and other things but the problems is still there, some BSOD related to Multiprocessor. Has someone here tried Windows 7 RC x64 with 45nm + P5W DH Deluxe? I know this could be annoying all my questions and I know that this its a little older board but i read here some experiment people with this board and I also think this board its really good just a little hard to tweak and configure. Thanks in advice for your help and patience.

Here i try install W7 x64 and get a BSDO error in the begining of installation. (using the last bios 28xx)

W7 32b works very fine and fast. No problem.

XP 64 works great and VIsta 64 too.

I think that some kind of problem called: Microsoft...:shrug:

:D

G40RoCkEt, what build are u try? SOme pepople reports problems with 7000 and 7077 i dont know if with RC1 the problems persists.

FIY: Asus Update thier FAQ for 45nm with this
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx...luxe&product=6

My P5W is still running every day at 4.1 Ghz with the E8600 and since last month with a brand new ATI 4890 that makes possible to play any game with maxed out settings. Very nice for a 3 years old motherboard :D

Well, today I play some time with my board and took my E4400 to 3GHz with stock cooler and volts, very nice to stock volts. At 3.2GHz (320 x 10) its unstable Ill try later with a little more voltagge :D

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Originally Posted by AkaFroz

G40RoCkEt, what build are u try? SOme pepople reports problems with 7000 and 7077 i dont know if with RC1 the problems persists.

FIY: Asus Update thier FAQ for 45nm with this
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx...luxe&product=6

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Build RC = 7100

I hope that Microsoft fix this error before they launched the final version!

guys is there a specific reason why memory remap should be disabled on 32bit os? I have tried it on and off and seems to have no impact.

Also I got a problem and I am wondering if the board is to blame.

Certian things on my pc are very sluggish and I think its to do with memory/mainboard bandwidth. One thing that is always sluggish and repeatable is loading nvidia control panel.

On my weaker spec'd machine if I load up the nvidia panel it only takes about 1 second, on this machine it waits 3 seconds with cpu usage maxing out. The ram and cpu are both higher spec than the other machine.

The delay isnt hdd, it occurs if I close it and reopen it (from cache) and I also watch the hdd light which doesnt come on.

Also intel speedstep doesnt seem to be working on my box (bios 2704) I noticed bios 2801 is listed a shaving broken speedstep so I am guessing 2704 is also broken, C1E is ok I guess (and more reliable in my experience) but I wanted to do some testing with speedstep since C1E goes full clock even at the slight hint of cpu usage.

Also bad news on that guy running win7 RC1, I have been playing with it on my laptop and like it and was planning to install it on my main box but it be typical if it has issues with this board.

I tryed one of pre RC1 64bit builds of Windows 7, it was OK. Many 32bit builds, including beta, rc1 are also fine.
My HDD in AHCI mode, I have 2GBs of RAM, but don't think that other settings will lead to errors.

Offtopic: However, I think ~4GHz Core is very fast in WinXP, but perfomance in Vista and W7, expesially in multitasking, then many programs loaded, is much lower.

Anyone played with a SSD on this board?

G40RoCkEt, try lowering your frequency significantly and whether you can install it with that "hack" :confused:

after that put it up again - perhaps your cpu is too fast for windows ;)

windows 7 rc1 x64 is running without any problems here @FSB 270, E6600 with 8 GB of G.Skill ram

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G40RoCkEt, try lowering your frequency significantly and whether you can install it with that "hack" :confused:

after that put it up again - perhaps your cpu is too fast for windows ;)

windows 7 rc1 x64 is running without any problems here @FSB 270, E6600 with 8 GB of G.Skill ram

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I read that the problem is the 45nm, but i see that Yolanda can install the W7 x64 with E8500.

I will try to put my E8600 in default speed to see what happens.

Question about SATA add-on cards: do 4x PCI-E cards work OK on a 1x motherboard like the P5W DH?

I've been using a cheap 2-port RAID card in JOBD mode attached to one drive and it works OK, but now that I need more reliable connectivity I'm looking at an Adaptec 1405 with 4 SATA cables attached to its one SAS port. Trick is, it's a 4x PCI-E card so I'm not sure it's the BEST card to get. I also have an open PCI slot in case the throughput on that bus ends up better...

Mm you ask about PCI-E 4x card? It can be installed in any of two PCI-E 16x slots, usually upper slot is occupied by video card, so another is free, but video card will operate only at 8x speed.

The two-week-old GTX 285 wouldn't like that...

Although, after trying to use my Canopus MVR-1000 video capture card for the first time since the GTX 285 was installed and finding that the captures come out jerky, perhaps having the 285 be less of a bandwidth hog might not be a bad idea...

The new nvidia 185 video driver sucks. I had to drop back to 182 to get the captures (and MPEG-2 playback) looking good again...

Anyone knows if there are any known issues using a SSD disk (probabily an Intel X25-M) with this board (on ICH7R ports)? :confused:

I can't remember any problems with Intel SATA's, so I think SSD will work.

Well my P5WD2-E Premium, has unfortunately RIP, and Asus couldn't fix it. They are sending me a P5WDH Deluxe. So I am joining the club, now in 2009, heh! I figured It would be a decent stopgap until I upgrade to an i7 to drop a Core 2 Duo, or a Quad. I am somewhat leaning towards the Q6600, I do CAD, and Photoshop, etc though its painful since its marginally cheaper than the i7 920. What do you guys recommend I drop in as a CPU? I currently have a Pentium D 805D, but figured a CPU drop would make a big difference.

I wanted to drop a Q9550, but thinking about it, and its FSB limitations seems kinda risky, the choices are between the Q9550, Q6600, or any of the E7400, Wolfdales, etc or any compatible cpu you may suggest. Heres what I have atm minus the Q6600, I am on full water, with the cpu being cooled by 360 Rad by itself, so no temperature problems, even my 805D was relatively cool. Thanks! And sorry for coming late to the party heh!

Sestren - Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz || Swiftech GTZ || Tri H2O Loop || P5WDH Deluxe || Bios: 2801 || 4GB XMS2 Pro DDR2 PC2-6400 || 2x VR 300 Gig Raid 0 + 8x HDD || Asus 3870x2 2 Gig, Quad DVI || Enermax Revolution85+ 1050w || Lian-Li PC-343B || Win XP Pro || Windows 7 64 bit || 5440x1600 @ 3 Monitors
RIP P5WD2-E Premium

Budget: $100-300 (hint: Cheaper the better ;) )

Ps. Bios 2901 has been released.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

Fixes the Windows Vista X64 Multi Proc error BSOD. When my mobo arrives, I will test with Windows 7, Q9550, and P5WDH Deluxe to see if I can make it through the installation. (Some users reported previously to be impossible, with certain cpus.)

Special thanks to Tech Net Users, and MS Employee John E.

Source:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...7-212abaa4f66e

<sigh>

Now that the GTX 285 is a pain to remove since I have to hunt for the release lever under its double-wide case, they release a new BIOS meaning I'd have to remove the battery to do the post-flash CMOS clear.

Somebody wake me up if it does some good for a 1.02G board, or if there's a smart guy out there who made a "battery" that has wires and an off-switch leading to the real battery, so a reset is easier to do...

Is that all this new bios address' ?

Could only hope for better OCing on the FSB side...

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Is that all this new bios address' ?

Could only hope for better OCing on the FSB side...

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I'd imagine thats more a hardware issue then a bios issue. Theres limitations to the i975X and thats one of them. Remember the stock fsb was designed at 266mhz, personally I am just aiming for 350, if I hit that then I am more than satisfied :). That would clock me at least in stock Q9550 territory.

OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Version 6.1.7100 Build 7100
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name
System Manufacturer ASUSTEK COMPUTER INC
System Model P5W DH Deluxe
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz, 3603 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 2801, 7/10/2008
SMBIOS Version 2.4
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume3
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7100.0"
User Name
Time Zone
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 4.00 GB
Available Physical Memory 2.82 GB
Total Virtual Memory 8.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 6.50 GB
Page File Space 4.00 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/575088.png

mg Ice, the problems are apparently with quads, which gave the multi cpu error, your set up denotes a dual, so I believe that e6600 works great, I don't recall reports on problems with the e6600

So recently the power supply on my system died, and I just installed a new one. It appears to be working fine, except now I need to reset the cmos on every restart or I get a black screen. This presents many problems, as I have to continually change the date and time in windows, and I cannot save bios settings. I put in a new motherboard battery, and flashed the bios to the latest version (2902) using the bios flash utility. Broken board or something else?

specs:585w psu, p5w dh, qx6850, 2gb ram, 7950gt, etc.

New battery is bad?...

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I'd imagine thats more a hardware issue then a bios issue. Theres limitations to the i975X and thats one of them. Remember the stock fsb was designed at 266mhz, personally I am just aiming for 350, if I hit that then I am more than satisfied :). That would clock me at least in stock Q9550 territory.

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I got 380 with a Q6000 so I am satisfied... :)

Hi Yolanda, can you tell me how does your GTX 295 work with our good old P5W DH? I've got two HD 4770 cards in CF and they perform great. I'd like to know if the same applies to SLI ;).

Geforce GTX 295 works great, in my signature I post results from different 3DMarks from WinXP SP3. However only 3DMark 03 really shows SLI power, all other old 3DMarks are CPU depended. I don't use Vista/Win7, but once I installed Win7 RC, I got 10K points in Extreme 3DMark Vantage on my overclocked card to 648/1404 by GPUs.

But graphics cards are not for 3DMarks, so really SLI shows it's power in Crysis and FarCry2 with highest settings in 1920*1200 16AF 4AA, but also in WinXP DX9 mode, FPS doubles from 20-30 to 40-60 then SLI enabled. In games performance is three times more than my old overclocked 8800GTX in modes with antialiasing and HD resolution.

Also after all I overclocked PCI-E bus in BIOS from 100 to 115MHz (maximum worked at 119MHz, but not tested for hours, at 120MHz system couldn't load to Windows after disappearing SATA HDDs, that's is why I selected 115MHz). PCI-E overlock don't show any advantage in 3DMarks, but I get 5-7% performance boost in World of Warcraft.

It's funny with GTX 295, because programs, such as GPU-Z or Everest, shows that PCI-E in our P5W DH works in 2.0 mode, as on new X38/X48 boards. :) It was interesting for me and I know that it's because NVidia make two local PCI-E 16X 2.0 buses between each GT200 GPU and Nforce 200 chipset on card, and i975X mainboard chipset connected by PCI-E 16X 1.0 bus to this Nforce 200 chipset, this link I overclocked as I wrote by 15%, so GTX 295 not so depended from PCI-E slot performance as real two card SLI setup. In Windows device manager GTX 295 card shows as 5 devices - 2 GPUs and 3 PCI to PCI bridges.

tomcug can you tell me how much faster your memory works? I have simple cheap DDR2-800 5-5-5-18 modules, they can be used at 400FSB only with Auto timings setting, which selects worse 5-6-6-18 timings for them. It's interesting to compare 3 modes: standart 5-6-6-18@800 mode, fast 4-4-4-12@800 and your highest performance 4-4-4-12@1000. I think results from SuperPI 1M, Everest memory, WinRAR 3.X, 3D Mark 2001 (3D Mark 2001 nicer from WinXP) or something other will be nice to see, if you have some time also. Thanks.

How are you getting SLI to work on an older chipset such as this?

Guys!

When I have used up all the ICH7R ATA-connectors for my 3 SATA-HDD drives (No RAID setup). On which controller should I connect my DVD-Room?

The JMicron or one of the EZ-Backup slots?

Or should I switch one of the HDD's to any of these slots.

What do you suggest? Help and experiences is much appreciated :)

Old 975 can't support SLI, but newer X38/X48 can't too. Geforce GTX 295, like older 9800GX2 and 7950GX2 cards, have two GPUs in one card, so it's one card and requires only one PCI-E slot in mainboard, inside card GPUs working using SLI technology, but such mode doesn't require any SLI ready chipset. SLI mainboard needed only if you install a pair of two cards, if two GTX 295 cards, it will make 4 GPUs to work together in Quad SLI.

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Guys!

When I have used up all the ICH7R ATA-connectors for my 3 SATA-HDD drives (No RAID setup). On which controller should I connect my DVD-Room?

The JMicron or one of the EZ-Backup slots?

Or should I switch one of the HDD's to any of these slots.

What do you suggest? Help and experiences is much appreciated :)

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I recommend you to switch one HDD to JMicron and then connect SATA DVD to ICH7R. Or our old board have one native IDE channel for two devices from ICH7R, so you can use even IDE DVD if you have it, or buy IDE model. However, if you plan later to insert your DVD for a new system, buy SATA model, if not, there is no any difference to buy IDE or SATA.

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I recommend you to switch one HDD to JMicron and then connect SATA DVD to ICH7R. Or our old board have one native IDE channel for two devices from ICH7R, so you can use even IDE DVD if you have it, or buy IDE model. However, if you plan later to insert your DVD for a new system, buy SATA model, if not, there is no any difference to buy IDE or SATA.

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Thanks for the fast reply!

Interesting. Yes, it's a SATA CD-rom model.
Do you recommend the switch because of possible capasity/stability issues on ICH7R with 3 drives, or is it a problem with SATA DVD on JMicron?

Either ways you reckon I should stay away from the EZ-backup then?

No, you can use 3 SATA hard drives with ICH7R without any issues, also you can use SATA DVD on JMicron. Simply native channels from ICH7R better supported by different OSs such as Linux, MacOS X, old and beta Windows versions, different live bootup CD/DVDs, bootup floppy disks and any standalone backup, partitioning and other programs working without OS. In this cases you have more chanches to access your DVD and 2 SATA hard drives. However really it is not a big chache not to access your DVD from JMicron, this controller is also widelly supported.

The only suggestion to stay away from EZ-backup while you have free other SATAs on board, EZ-backup connected through Silicon Image SATA controller to SATA4 port of ICH7R, resulting some reduced performance (not recommended for a system drive) and some problems with software I wrote above, but specially with diagnostic software.

Yolanda, looks like a real boost in noticeable with timings at 4-4-4-12 compared to 5-6-6-18, Everest memory benchmark score increases to 9700 MB/s compared to 9300 MB/s. Super PI also likes tight timings very much, score is much better, but I don't remember exact numbers now. However, overclocking memories to 1000MHz with 4-4-4-12 timings doesn't give much higher performance, difference is really small. With P5W DH we really need very good memories to be able to use manual timings with high FSB speeds. My memories managed to pass MemTest even at 425MHz and with manual timings (2,2V). I didn't try more because my E7200 held me back. However I'm pretty sure that with good amount of volts, maybe 2,4V, it would work at 450MHz too but I'm not sure at all. It's good to see that your GTX 295 works good, and with my HD 4770 CCC shows PCI-E 2.0 too :).

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No, you can use 3 SATA hard drives with ICH7R without any issues, also you can use SATA DVD on JMicron. Simply native channels from ICH7R better supported by different OSs such as Linux, MacOS X, old and beta Windows versions, different live bootup CD/DVDs, bootup floppy disks and any standalone backup, partitioning and other programs working without OS. In this cases you have more chanches to access your DVD and 2 SATA hard drives. However really it is not a big chache not to access your DVD from JMicron, this controller is also widelly supported.

The only suggestion to stay away from EZ-backup while you have free other SATAs on board, EZ-backup connected through Silicon Image SATA controller to SATA4 port of ICH7R, resulting some reduced performance (not recommended for a system drive) and some problems with software I wrote above, but specially with diagnostic software.

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Thanks for the inputs! Will try the JMicron then and maybe check some preformance data compared to ICH7R.

Hey tomcug, I found that the P5W DH likes to run mem at 1:1 and gets better performance doing so. At 425 fsb 1:1 with your mem you might be able to run at 3-3-3-5.
If you can you will get some nice results from your system. I have noticed on every other board that 1:1 is slower but not that board. Try it and see how it works for you.
Hey it don't count without proof..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...la/cpuzfun.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...illa/pi32m.jpg

My Daily clock was 425 fsb @ 3825mhz and my mem was run 1:1 @ 425 timings 3-3-3-5.

So experiment even if you have to run @ say 3-4-3-5 or 3-3-4-4 or 3-4-4-4 or 5

WZ

Looks like this is a good idea :D. I'll try this tomorrow and write what happens.

Ok, I know this issue has been raised MANY many times but I'm still having an issue adjusting the vcore on my mobo. Its a revision 1.02G and my CPU is an E4500 (65nm). On the stock vcore and overclocked a little this baby is still running really cool, so I would like to pump some more vcore in, and even buy a better cooler if I can get this CPU any higher

So far I have tried:

- flashing the BIOS all the way back to the first one that supports my CPU: 2206

- flashing the BIOS from freeDOS using afudos and the /pbnc /n tags. Cleared CMOS as motherboard described then booted the computer. Disabled C1E, SpeedStep, Fan control crap then rebooted, again and again and again. Went into JumperFree and Vcore still says AUTO!!!! YARGH

- I was on BIOS 2801 but it had exact same issues as 2901

I have never been able to adjust vcore :(

Looks like you're another user with this error :(. The bad news is that so far we haven't been able to find out how to fix it :(. Sorry, no good news for now, let's see what the other users will write :(.

I am having a retarded issue with this mobo. Something that I've never seen before. I tried: a different PSU, a different graphics card, different RAM. I even RMA'd the mobo because I thought that must be it, and the one I got back is behaving EXACTLY the same.

I start Prime and it runs OK for a while. Then, at some point the system hard restarts (as if reset has been pressed) and freezes during post. The exact operation it freezes on is "Initializing USB controllers". It doesn't matter if there are no USB devices attached at all, it just freezes there during post. Even resetting CMOS doesn't help reliably.

Sometimes it will post again (not easy), and then repeat until next time. This is the most annoying problem I have ever encountered.

I've just started experimenting with timings, so far I've managed to boot with 3-4-4-12 timings, will try more later. Good news is that with this settings I've got 10000 MB/s in Everest :D. So another huge boost over SPD timings.

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I've just tried 3-3-4-12 timings, seems to be stable and performance is much higher again :).

Alright!! See there is hidden power in there for you all to find and dig out!! Nice job tomcug, you may yet finsd a little more and if not at least you passed the 10000 barrier in Everest.

WZ

guys will 2004 bios with windows 7?

I am thinking of rolling back my bios since it seems every other bios version has some sort of bug like the current intel speedstep not working bug in latest bios.

I have to agree with other posters I have never had such a buggy board, one thing I dont understand is that with every other bios flasher I have used there is an option to clear the cmos when you flash so after flash it is all reset. With this board you flash and are expected to manually clear the cmos after, a very unusual flash procedure.

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No, you can use 3 SATA hard drives with ICH7R without any issues, also you can use SATA DVD on JMicron. Simply native channels from ICH7R better supported by different OSs such as Linux, MacOS X, old and beta Windows versions, different live bootup CD/DVDs, bootup floppy disks and any standalone backup, partitioning and other programs working without OS. In this cases you have more chanches to access your DVD and 2 SATA hard drives. However really it is not a big chache not to access your DVD from JMicron, this controller is also widelly supported.

The only suggestion to stay away from EZ-backup while you have free other SATAs on board, EZ-backup connected through Silicon Image SATA controller to SATA4 port of ICH7R, resulting some reduced performance (not recommended for a system drive) and some problems with software I wrote above, but specially with diagnostic software.

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I did the trick (which I got earlier in this thread) which disabled the silicon image and makes the 4th port effectively act as a normal 4th port for ICH7, does this still suffer the performance hit?

to do this I removed a jumper on the board somewhere.

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I am 3-4 mobos past my P5W which was relegated as a standby mobo for over a year. But I got around to sending in my 1.02G board today to the local service centre cos it was getting errratic just trying to get it to POST. Hope Asus Taiwan gets their hands on it in the near future, somehow.

Got a brand new P5B Premium V.E set as replacement and I promptly installed Win 7RC for a spin, posting with it now. Guess it's game over for my P5W DH Dlx experience, wishing you guys still hanging on to their P5W all the best. :D

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3-4 boards wow, how often do you buy new boards then?

I am still on mine (I brought when ich8 was already out tho I didnt buy it in in 2006) and using my 6420 dual core.

I am guessing since I have no real need to upgrade my cpu as it is rarely stressed and all games run fine on my pc that I play I cannot justify a new board, to me buying a new board for the sake of fixing annoyances and the work involved in moving the cpu, cleaning the old thermal, reapplying new thermal etc. is too much for my lazy self. I also have noticed barely any software takes advantage of dual core and I expect even less would take advantage of quad core, multi core seems most beneficial for server type usage. I am still using windows xp on this pc tho, and I do know vista (and I guess win7) is way snappier on a dual core system so the XP code base is probably not optimised with multi core in mind.

My friend got a smaller core 8400cpu chip which is rated very highly by people, I did consider it but the 45nm issues on this board and the fact I could barely justify it by the fact I am not even stressing out my current chip I didnt go ahead with it, I certianly couldnt justify spending on new board and cpu. These core2duos were so overpowered on launch they still do the job today.

With me, upgrading at the motherboard level takes time. The way things are going in The Economy, I'll have to skip getting a new i7 PC for a year or two, making the purchase of a new motherboard that can use a Q9450 my next 'big' upgrade.

Anyone know of a 775 MB that has like 9 non-RAID SATA ports and is ACTUALLY 45nm-compatible?...

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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich

I am having a retarded issue with this mobo. Something that I've never seen before. I tried: a different PSU, a different graphics card, different RAM. I even RMA'd the mobo because I thought that must be it, and the one I got back is behaving EXACTLY the same.

I start Prime and it runs OK for a while. Then, at some point the system hard restarts (as if reset has been pressed) and freezes during post. The exact operation it freezes on is "Initializing USB controllers". It doesn't matter if there are no USB devices attached at all, it just freezes there during post. Even resetting CMOS doesn't help reliably.

Sometimes it will post again (not easy), and then repeat until next time. This is the most annoying problem I have ever encountered.

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Oh well it turns out the techs at ASUS just reset the bios of my screwed up board and shipped it back to me when I RMA'd it after having the same damn problem. Talked to level 2 support today on the phone and the board is going back for a non-ignorant service. So the above is almost certainly a hardware fault of some sort.

I'm hoping the gurus on this forum will be able to help me:

I have two drives installed in a RAID1 array on the EZ-Backup ports...

- How do I find S.M.A.R.T. information for these drives? All utilities, including the Western Digital Diagnostic Tool, which is required for RMA, does not read this data.

- How do I determine which drive has failed in the RAID1 array?

Essentially, how will I know if one drive is on its last legs, how will I know when the RAID fails, and how will I know which of the two drives actually failed?

I posted my question a while back on the Asus website and didn't get any good responses:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...age=1&count=17

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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich

Oh well it turns out the techs at ASUS just reset the bios of my screwed up board and shipped it back to me when I RMA'd it after having the same damn problem. Talked to level 2 support today on the phone and the board is going back for a non-ignorant service. So the above is almost certainly a hardware fault of some sort.

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:eek: :mad: :shakes:

I haven't booted the board yet, mine is 1.02g, wish me luck :), going to boot it tomorrow or the day after. Have a 9550 45nm, so just waiting for the problems, if I hit 2.8 ghz and no problems, Ill be a happy camper, thats 350 fsb.

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Originally Posted by slaman

I'm hoping the gurus on this forum will be able to help me:

I have two drives installed in a RAID1 array on the EZ-Backup ports...

- How do I find S.M.A.R.T. information for these drives? All utilities, including the Western Digital Diagnostic Tool, which is required for RMA, does not read this data.

- How do I determine which drive has failed in the RAID1 array?

Essentially, how will I know if one drive is on its last legs, how will I know when the RAID fails, and how will I know which of the two drives actually failed?

I posted my question a while back on the Asus website and didn't get any good responses:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...age=1&count=17

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Found the response myself. Installed Silicon Image's SteelVine Manager application... nothing in any documentation that I've read indicates that this is an essential application to monitor the RAID array's status...

See the above thread for the response.

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Originally Posted by pc1x1

:eek: :mad: :shakes:

I haven't booted the board yet, mine is 1.02g, wish me luck :), going to boot it tomorrow or the day after. Have a 9550 45nm, so just waiting for the problems, if I hit 2.8 ghz and no problems, Ill be a happy camper, thats 350 fsb.

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I'm very interested to hear how you do with this chip on the p5w dh and the 2901 bios, particularly with any 64 bit windows installs.

I have the same cpu related questions that you asked in this previous post

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=8233

Thanks for the link in that post to the related thread at social.technet.microsoft.com, very interesting and eye opening. I had gotten the impression from the below Asus blurb that other than the limitations a
Q9550 would work fine. I sure haven't seen many success stories in these threads so far, but from what I can tell one guy with a Q9650 and one guy with a Q8600 report success with Win 7 RC 64 on a p5w dh.

Support information for 45nm CPU (from FAQ)
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
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I’ve recently bought a Intel 45nm Yorkfield CPU Q9650. When I put it onto my P5W DH deluxe, everything is perfect, but L2 cache size shows 0 KB in BIOS. When I check it in CPU-Z, the problem persists. How do I re-solve it?

Due to chipset limitation, i975X chipset is not able to support all the features of 45nm CPU. The following is a list of the limitations:
1. VT function does not work.
2. The maximum FSB is capped at 1066MHz.
3. 0.5 CPU multiplier is not supported.
4. L2 cache size is not recognized correctly. However L2 cache is still functioning.
...

I'm currently running an E6600 at stock speed with bios 2801, Win 7 RC 32 bit and Vista 32 bit.

I'm interested in a quad core chip like the Q9550 or Q8400 for eventual use with 64 bit Win 7 (will start with Win 7 32 bit) but it sounds like I might be better off buying a new motherboard?

At stock clock you willn't get any errors, flash latest bios 2901, board will be as the fastest boards with S775 socket, and even can overclock it by 5-10%.
However do you really need a quad core cpu? if you haven't such programs better to stay with your E6600 and overclock it to ~3.3GHz.

Hello, recently i've started having trouble with booting my mobo, the thing is when I first turn it on it doesn't POST what i've found out to work is turn it on and then on back again and usually it POST but sometimes it doesn't, when it doesn't I switch off the PSU and make it rest for like 10 mins or so and the turn it on again and it will boot.... :S any ideas??

My specs

CPU: Intel Core 2 QUAD Q6600 @ 3 GHz, 333x9, 1.25V
MOBO: Asus P5W DH Deluxe, BIOS 2801
RAM: 4x2GB DDR2 800MHz 5-5-5-18 @ 667 MHz, 1.8V
GPU: XFX Geforce 9800 GT
PSU: OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W Power Supply 10

L2 cache is detected on my QX9650 on bioses 2506 and newer (2406 and 2302, the earliest that supported QX, showed 0k, BUT Sandra, CPU-Z and Everest showed the proper cache (and the cache/memory speed test functioned as it should).

If you're getting 0k in 2801 with the Q9550, you should still at least get the proper size in CPU-Z. If you're getting 0k in cpu-z too, can you run an everest memory benchmark and look at the speeds of the L1 and L2 cache?

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Originally Posted by Supa Chiney

Hello, recently i've started having trouble with booting my mobo, the thing is when I first turn it on it doesn't POST what i've found out to work is turn it on and then on back again and usually it POST but sometimes it doesn't, when it doesn't I switch off the PSU and make it rest for like 10 mins or so and the turn it on again and it will boot.... :S any ideas??

My specs

CPU: Intel Core 2 QUAD Q6600 @ 3 GHz, 333x9, 1.25V
MOBO: Asus P5W DH Deluxe, BIOS 2801
RAM: 4x2GB DDR2 800MHz 5-5-5-18 @ 667 MHz, 1.8V
GPU: XFX Geforce 9800 GT
PSU: OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W Power Supply 10

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Remove one stick of memory and see if the problem goes away. Or switch the remaining stick. Memory that is dying (like micron D9's) will cause this to happen.

Raise the memory voltage to 2.1v .....does the problem go away then?

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Originally Posted by Falkentyne

Remove one stick of memory and see if the problem goes away. Or switch the remaining stick. Memory that is dying (like micron D9's) will cause this to happen.

Raise the memory voltage to 2.1v .....does the problem go away then?

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this sticks are brand new, i did that when i first installed them, i forgot to mention that this problem started when i added a pair of the same type i had before (on my sig) but those were different version, so i though that was the problem, that's why i bought the new ram.

I cold booted twice this morning without issues will, report back in a couple days or later if problem stops/continues

is it safe to run them at 2.1v even if they are rated to run at 1.8v ?

2.1V is save even for 24/7, but you only want to test it.

I want to upgrade from 2 Gb to 4 Gb with this board.

What memory kit would you recommend me considering i'm using an E8600 @ 4.1 Ghz 24/7 (10x 410 fsb - DDR820)?

Any two PC2-6400 2GB cheap modules, there are a lot of from Samsung, Hynix, Patriot and others, you will get 5/6-6-6-18 timings by Auto setting.

I found a good deal for 2x 2048Mb DDR2 Corsair XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500 (1066) (40€), i'll post the results later when I have time to test them. I still have hope I will be able to beat 410 fsb and/or at least use 5-5-5-15 timings :P

NEWS ABOUT WINDOWS 7 x64 Release!


Just to tell that with bios 2901 the BSDO bug at the begining of W7 X64 installation was solved!

So, finally can install with sucess my W7 X64 release.

About drivers all is avaliable to install via Windows Update and works very well!

People that want install W7 X64 , FIRST UPDATE BIOS TO 2901.

Seems that 2901 fix the w7 x64 bug too.

Good races!

The support by Asus to this motherboard is wonderful... after years still new BIOSes! Great!

Ummm, 1.02G users are probably not applauding BIOS support very loudly...

Hiya, I haven't booted yet, and thanks, it took alot of digging, hehe.

I will be booting my PC this weekend, sleeving took ages to do! And Ill flash to the latest bios and well figure out if I can run the Quad Core.

I am on a 1.02g, so this should be interesting :), also will try to Install Windows 7 RC1.

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Originally Posted by dabl

I'm very interested to hear how you do with this chip on the p5w dh and the 2901 bios, particularly with any 64 bit windows installs.

I have the same cpu related questions that you asked in this previous post

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=8233

Thanks for the link in that post to the related thread at social.technet.microsoft.com, very interesting and eye opening. I had gotten the impression from the below Asus blurb that other than the limitations a
Q9550 would work fine. I sure haven't seen many success stories in these threads so far, but from what I can tell one guy with a Q9650 and one guy with a Q8600 report success with Win 7 RC 64 on a p5w dh.

Support information for 45nm CPU (from FAQ)
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
...
I’ve recently bought a Intel 45nm Yorkfield CPU Q9650. When I put it onto my P5W DH deluxe, everything is perfect, but L2 cache size shows 0 KB in BIOS. When I check it in CPU-Z, the problem persists. How do I re-solve it?

Due to chipset limitation, i975X chipset is not able to support all the features of 45nm CPU. The following is a list of the limitations:
1. VT function does not work.
2. The maximum FSB is capped at 1066MHz.
3. 0.5 CPU multiplier is not supported.
4. L2 cache size is not recognized correctly. However L2 cache is still functioning.
...

I'm currently running an E6600 at stock speed with bios 2801, Win 7 RC 32 bit and Vista 32 bit.

I'm interested in a quad core chip like the Q9550 or Q8400 for eventual use with 64 bit Win 7 (will start with Win 7 32 bit) but it sounds like I might be better off buying a new motherboard?

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wow people still use this board, i remember this was one of the best boards for its time!

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wow people still use this board, i remember this was one of the best boards for its time!

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GAR,

I always update the hardware but the P5W DH always be in safe. :D

For me was the best 2006 motherboard and i still love it.

Great extra bundle and amazing support including 45nm processor!

Here in this P5W already pass E6600-E6850-E8500 and finally E8600 (with a little oc).

And i have to say that with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bits this rock more!

Everyone should be try this SO in P5W.

:up:

Yes this board is ROCK. will try for Win 7 after come back from camping.

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Originally Posted by Supa Chiney

Hello, recently i've started having trouble with booting my mobo, the thing is when I first turn it on it doesn't POST what i've found out to work is turn it on and then on back again and usually it POST but sometimes it doesn't, when it doesn't I switch off the PSU and make it rest for like 10 mins or so and the turn it on again and it will boot.... :S any ideas??

My specs

CPU: Intel Core 2 QUAD Q6600 @ 3 GHz, 333x9, 1.25V
MOBO: Asus P5W DH Deluxe, BIOS 2801
RAM: 4x2GB DDR2 800MHz 5-5-5-18 @ 667 MHz, 1.8V
GPU: XFX Geforce 9800 GT
PSU: OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W Power Supply 10

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the same thing started happening to me too..i get stuck too when i m in the bios setup,i m still looking for a solution.

Good morning together.

I tryed so many times to overclock my cpu, but i can only reach 3,15GHz.

I tryed everything i know, but if i overclock over 3,2GHz i need much more vcore. I get it only on 1.55 vcore stable. Everything above nothing happens if i change the vcore or mchv, i get only errors.

I use water to cooling my computer and the normal ram frequenze is 800MHz.

Maybe i have some misstakes in my bios confige or my cpu really sucks.
I Hope someone can help me and find my misstake.
And sorry for my bad english :)

http://realityworld.de/overclocking/cpuz_cpu.jpghttp://realityworld.de/overclocking/cpuz_mainboard.jpghttp://realityworld.de/overclocking/cpuz_spd.jpg
http://realityworld.de/overclocking/bios_01.jpghttp://realityworld.de/overclocking/bios_02.jpg
http://realityworld.de/overclocking/bios_03.jpg

Are people using the current Vista versions of these 975X Express utilities with Win 7?

http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-021728.htm

Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility
Intel Matrix Storage Manager

Any idea if upcoming Win 7 versions can be expected?

These programs are for Windows XP and higher, so work fine in Vista and Windows 7 also.
Download latest versions from Intel site, you can choose newest Intel chipset, all versions are the same and for all chipsets.

However you can not to install Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility in Vista and Windows 7, because it's simply rename chipset devices in Device Manager to their real names, Windows 7 already know all i975 chipset component names.

I have a small problem here with this board. Hope someone can help.
Getting 333FSB is no problem at all, but 350 and upwards is a major problem, but only during booting. I have on some occasions reached 400FSB, and as soon as I reach Windows, it's perfectly stable. But the problem is to get it to boot at any higher than 333:(
Too bad, cause I know the CPU will do 3.6GHz on 1.3V Vcore (1.3 selected in BIOS, not measured 1.3V, maybe even less than that. So, any suggestions on what to try?

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Originally Posted by dabl

Are people using the current Vista versions of these 975X Express utilities with Win 7?

http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-021728.htm

Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility
Intel Matrix Storage Manager

Any idea if upcoming Win 7 versions can be expected?

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Chipset 975x have w7 drivers avaliable yet.

Check here if someone look for them:

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2261&lang=eng

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http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...=2261&lang=eng

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Thanks, that's helpful.

Getting the board to successfully turn on (POST?) or getting it to load windows without locking up or blue screening?

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Getting the board to successfully turn on (POST?) or getting it to load windows without locking up or blue screening?

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Are you asking me or? But yes, getting the board to POST @ 350FSB or higher is a big no-no, I just get a black screen. Have to turn the comupter off using the power button, then turn on and get the "overclocking or overvoltage failed" message, and enter BIOS. MCHV at 1.65V and FSBTV at auto and 333x9 is my current 24/7 setting. BTW, what does the FSB Termination Voltage do? I haven't found any use for it as of yet.

Tried booting at 360FSB with 1.65V MCHV, it did POST but failed to load Windows. Trying 360FSB with 1.75 MCHV it doesn't even POST. I'm thinking that it's some kind of overvoltage protection, cause I read back in 2006 when the computer was new that you should disable any such protection. But that setting doesn't exist in the BIOS does it?

Sigh...Really could use a little higher FSB, CPU is limiting my GTX260 like hell...maybe I just should get a new board...but I don't want too, love this one too much except for the low FSB wall...

You have 3.6GHz 65 nm CPU stable at 1.3V only? Are you sure?

Set the vmch to 1.65v and the FSB termination voltage to 1.40v.
Then try your 360 fsb.

And I don't think you're going to get 3600 mhz stable on a B2 stepping E6600 stable at 1.3v I think that's part of the problem. Isn't the DEFAULT voltage for that chip 1.35v? You're overclocking the chip and running it at lower than default voltage....

Try 1.45vcore and then see if you can post at above 360 FSB and load windows.

How did you get it *stable* at 400 FSB before? You said that you made it boot at 400 fsb and it was stable, if it managed to boot. How'd you do this?

I'm 100% certain it wasn't stable unless you're watercooling or on subzero....

Nobody have a tip for me?

Aerics Try to set memory timings to SPD, our board likes it more and overclocks then higher.

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Originally Posted by Falkentyne

Set the vmch to 1.65v and the FSB termination voltage to 1.40v.
Then try your 360 fsb.

And I don't think you're going to get 3600 mhz stable on a B2 stepping E6600 stable at 1.3v I think that's part of the problem. Isn't the DEFAULT voltage for that chip 1.35v? You're overclocking the chip and running it at lower than default voltage....

Try 1.45vcore and then see if you can post at above 360 FSB and load windows.

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Thanks, will try. Doubt it will work though. But yes, first time I overclocked my rig (which was the first time i overclocked BTW) I used 1.45V vcore, 1.45V selected in BIOS that is. This was end of November, 2006. Since I didn't want break anything, and I didn't get any noteworthy performance boost either, I used stock settings instead. For some reason I can't remember, several months later I decided to see if I could use a lower vcore, and I ended up selecting 1.3V in BIOS. Unfortunately, I don't have a screenshot of 1.3V vcore, but if I ever get it too boot again at 3.6 I will DEFINATELY take a screenshot:)
Here's the screen showing 1.45V vcore, ignore CPU-Z as it shows the wrong value. But AiBooster should display the right value, considering vdroop or whatever it's called.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5...00cpu36ghz.jpg

And here's another screen showing 3GHz @ 1.184V full load according to CPU-Z, 1.225V selected in BIOS. No vmods have been done to the board, only changed the thermal paste under the NB, so I guess the lower voltage indicated by CPU-Z is because of vdroop? Also, notice in Core Temp that my VID is 1.2625V, not 1.35V as you suggested.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9488/3ghz1184v.jpg

However, worth noticing is that when I ran 3.6GHz, I had the window open in my room (Finland is cold), so I guess my room temp were somewhere around 5 degrees Celsius.

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Originally Posted by Falkentyne

How did you get it *stable* at 400 FSB before? You said that you made it boot at 400 fsb and it was stable, if it managed to boot. How'd you do this?

I'm 100% certain it wasn't stable unless you're watercooling or on subzero....

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Max voltage on MCH, FSB Termination and ICH (you shouldn't overvolt the ICH should you?). I wrote the settings down so I wouldn't forget them. Stability was tested using Orthos for several hours, can't recall exactly how long I ran it though, probably around 8 hours or so (Yeah I know, TAT puts a heavier load on the CPU, but as long as I can play any game without crashing or passing 65 degrees on the CPU I'm happy:)). But what happens 99% of the time I try to use the same settings as before is that I apply every setting as they should be in BIOS eg C1E, EIST, Hyperpath 3, Virtualization etc gets turned off, voltages changed and so on. But once I hit F10 and press enter the screen goes black just as it should, the LED on my screen turns orange as it should, but it doesn't turn green again.

After that I turn the computer off using the power button, turn it on again (not resetting CMOS or anything BTW), and then I get the oh so annoying message:

"overclocking or overvoltage failed"
press F1 to enter BIOS
press F2 to load default values an continue

Thing is, I remember reading somewhere that you should turn off any overvoltage protection. Can you even do this?

BTW, sorry for the long post, just trying to give you as much info as I can because I want more FSB on this thing. And I know it shouldn't be impossible because I have seen several people run the board @ 400FSB 24/7, some 440FSB and over as max, someone even hitting 500FSB+:eek:

EDIT: Tried your settings, with various vcore frequencies as well. Was about to try higher vmch and/or fsb termination voltage, but a strange thing happened. After one of those failed overclocks, I was at the point where you choose either F1 to enter BIOS or F2 to load default and continue, naturally I chose F1. So the screen goes black, as it should do for about a tenth of a second before the BIOS screen pops up. But then it stays black, so I'm thinking "hmm that's strange, never seen that happen before", so I turn off the computer, turn it on and then the REALLY WEIRD STUFF begins. The screen is really weird, I should have taken a picture but I was too lazy and too shocked, thinking I just destroyed the board. Anyway, the screen looked something like:

-________________________E6600_____________________ _____
__________________________________________________ ______
__________2.40GHz_________________________________ ______
__________________________________________________ ______
___________________________________LKJASHD4346____ ______
____KLJF0987______________________________________ ______

and so on. At this point I didn't like it at all, and it only got worse. Turned the computer off again, turned it on and what do you know? Same thing, only this time the screen seemed to scroll down, and some of the letters and numbers on the screen (the few that appeared) seemed to match my harddrives. After hitting F1 the top bar turns blue, but the rest stays the same. So I'm thinking "so this is what Asus beta BIOS looked like :P ", and also I am noticing that the clock is visible as well, but seems to skip every other second or so. So I reset the damn computer yet again, and this time the screen looks normal, so I enter the BIOS, everything looks normal here as well, apply my settings for 333FSB, boot into windows and here I am, somewhat shaken still, cause I'd rather not spend any more money on a new or second hand 775 motherboard, considering it's getting obsolete.

Anyone else ever seen anything like this? Seems like I got a very good CPU, but probably the worst P5W ever made:(
How annoying is that?!?!

Does the board still boot correctly if you clear the CMOS with the jumper (after unplugging or turning off the power supply switch?).