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06-10-2008, 02:23 PM
Chickenfeed

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

i did not get all mad because of a Video card i got mad at issues that really matter in the world, like treatment of human beings for example?

With you there brother, some of the users here need to grow up and learn the meaning of patience....
06-10-2008, 02:24 PM
BenchZowner

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

i did not get all mad because of a Video card i got mad at issues that really matter in the world, like treatment of human beings for example?

is hatting man because he can't deliver on a FAVOR right?

and some of those posts about trying to get him banned? some people have obviously not been here long enough to know what he contributes to the forum. especially when it comes to launches and reviews. sure some things he says can be a bit biased but he is one of our only sources of pre launch info. and i honestly can't see him posting any leaking info after the responses he got.

I agree with you on most things.
But...yes, there's a but(t) involved :p: [ just kidding, playing with the words :p: ]

If you don't want to get flamed ( whether we like it or not, there will always be flame-throwing people ) [ sometimes deserved, sometimes not ] you don't say "I will do that" and then come back saying "I can't".
When "you're in the know" and more precisely been working for a magazine/website, the press in general, you already know what you can and what you can't.
Don't tell me that he thought that AMD would let him spill the beans like that ( no matter if he's under NDA directly or indirectly ).
One time is something that can happen to anybody... but doing that several times is like asking for "punishment" :p:

When you have something to say, say it or remain silent.
I have various stuff from time to time, NDA'd or not, if I'm not going/willing/being able to say something I don't say anything at all.
If I ever say something I just say it.
I don't make announcements "I have something, I'm not under NDA, I can say things about it, I'll come back later with info" and then risk/or intentionally "playing the game of 'the know'" come back saying, sorry I can't.

Can we drop it now ?
06-10-2008, 02:39 PM
[XC] hipno650

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

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Can we drop it now ?

i have said what i want to say and yes i hope we can drop it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

With you there brother, some of the users here need to grow up and learn the meaning of patience....

hey it's good to see another Albertan looking about the forums!! we really are brothers. from a land sense anyways:D
06-10-2008, 02:39 PM
Philip_J_Fry

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http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/amd/A...0_HD4870-2.htm

Attachment 80127

ZOMG fo real??
06-10-2008, 03:04 PM
adamsleath

so, are these things rolling off an assembly line right now ? :wasntme:
06-10-2008, 03:06 PM
2000army

lol ...... i love the new people to this site ... add such a color to the calm that it used to be ....some posts look like [H] forums ....
06-10-2008, 03:08 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by 2000army

lol ...... i love the new people to this site ... add such a color to the calm that it used to be ....some posts look like [H] forums ....

And you consider yourself and old member ?? :p:

XS is pretty new by "old" standards actually, and you have no right to pick on new members :stick:

Perkam
06-10-2008, 03:17 PM
Kingcarcas

Why are all the new people calling on him to be banned? Eventually benchmarks will be posted, i know it won't be too long.
06-10-2008, 03:21 PM
G0ldBr1ck

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9...850copylq6.jpg
06-10-2008, 03:21 PM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by largon

Nah.
That "1800m" is DDR-1800 (900MHz). But since GDDR5 is quad data rate 900MHz GDDR5 acts effectively as DDR-3600.

it depends on what your looking at, gddr5 has 2 clocks, command clock and write clock, comand clock is typical half of write clock, so a 900mhz command clock is a 1800mhz write clock which is a 3,6gb/s (aka 3600mhz) module.

As said its still the lowest bin, qimonda official doesnt even sell those, so its very strangeto see this...
06-10-2008, 03:27 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

it depends on what your looking at, gddr5 has 2 clocks, command clock and write clock, comand clock is typical half of write clock, so a 900mhz command clock is a 1800mhz write clock which is a 3,6gb/s (aka 3600mhz) module.

As said its still the lowest bin, qimonda official doesnt even sell those, so its very strangeto see this...

We are not even sure whether those clocks for 4870 are completely valid as anything regarding 4870 can still change, but my guess is that it's just a safe bet from AMD.
06-10-2008, 03:35 PM
freeloader

Why is everyone mad at OBR? If you're going to be angry, direct that anger at AMD/ATI. Boycott their cards. After reading what's happened here, I'm not going to purchase another ATI/AMD product....EVER!

AMD, you treat people like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, you'll get it in return.
06-10-2008, 03:42 PM
y2kbos

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Originally Posted by freeloader

Why is everyone mad at OBR? If you're going to be angry, direct that anger at AMD/ATI. Boycott their cards. After reading what's happened here, I'm not going to purchase another ATI/AMD product....EVER!

AMD, you treat people like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, you'll get it in return.

You think AMD actually pm'd/ contacted ORB?

Mods can answer that one
06-10-2008, 03:43 PM
Extelleron

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeloader

Why is everyone mad at OBR? If you're going to be angry, direct that anger at AMD/ATI. Boycott their cards. After reading what's happened here, I'm not going to purchase another ATI/AMD product....EVER!

AMD, you treat people like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, you'll get it in return.

:confused:

What are you trying to say exactly? How is AMD at fault?

No company wants NDA broken and AMD is no exception. NDA is there for a reason. Neither OBR nor AMD/ATI have committed any wrong here. The only gripe I have is that OBR led people on promising benchmarks. There are several people on here who have HD 4850s or GTX 280s already and aren't posting anything, and there is nothing wrong with that.
06-10-2008, 03:47 PM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeloader

Why is everyone mad at OBR? If you're going to be angry, direct that anger at AMD/ATI. Boycott their cards. After reading what's happened here, I'm not going to purchase another ATI/AMD product....EVER!

AMD, you treat people like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, you'll get it in return.

LMAO I seriously hope you're kidding. Nvidia would've done the same thing to prevent people from breaking NDA's in all likelihood

AMD isn't at fault for protecting their products

Apparently you haven't done enough in the world where breaking NDA's and contracts can get you punished from anything from never getting anymore scoops to getting fired to getting sued
06-10-2008, 03:48 PM
Isaac MM

What i don't get is why they don't let people give away info on these cards before launch, i mean if they let a card like the 4870X2 get benchmarked and it has a awesome performance, people won't buy the GTX 280/260 that are launching earlier...
06-10-2008, 03:49 PM
G0ldBr1ck

Can anyone get any good info from this? Im a bit rusty on my Chinese.

http://www.hardspell.com/doc/hard/76122.htm

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...97a5a3a0bc.jpg

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...446edc48ee.jpg

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...daa9ef350c.jpg

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...778d62ba9c.jpg

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...6137fc5774.jpg
06-10-2008, 03:49 PM
natty

give OBR the electric chair
06-10-2008, 03:50 PM
Dark-Energy

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeloader

Why is everyone mad at OBR? If you're going to be angry, direct that anger at AMD/ATI. Boycott their cards. After reading what's happened here, I'm not going to purchase another ATI/AMD product....EVER!

AMD, you treat people like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, you'll get it in return.

Here we go again. I'm not even going to say anything.
06-10-2008, 03:51 PM
adamsleath

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give OBR the electric chair

:ROTF:
06-10-2008, 03:56 PM
freeloader

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Originally Posted by Extelleron

:confused:

What are you trying to say exactly? How is AMD at fault?

No company wants NDA broken and AMD is no exception. NDA is there for a reason. Neither OBR nor AMD/ATI have committed any wrong here. The only gripe I have is that OBR led people on promising benchmarks. There are several people on here who have HD 4850s or GTX 280s already and aren't posting anything, and there is nothing wrong with that.

If OBR isn't under NDA, then AMD/ATI can go hump a moose. It's too bad for them that someone managed to receive full working samples. If I had the cards and I wasn't under NDA, I would've gave everyone a rundown on how the cards work already. It sounds to me like someone at AMD has threatened OBR or his boss with legal action; if that's the case, then I stick to my original post of not supporting AMD anymore.
06-10-2008, 04:02 PM
Papu

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Originally Posted by freeloader

If OBR isn't under NDA, then AMD/ATI can go hump a moose. It's too bad for them that someone managed to receive full working samples. If I had the cards and I wasn't under NDA, I would've gave everyone a rundown on how the cards work already. It sounds to me like someone at AMD has threatened OBR or his boss with legal action; if that's the case, then I stick to my original post of not supporting AMD anymore.

it really isn't as simple as this , you need to have a relationship with the company, amd give out samples for a reason , releasing these results would undercut everybody who were trusted and kept their NDA. good call , it could have really turned ugly.
06-10-2008, 04:03 PM
Menhir

no it sounds that he just talked bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: and explained it with AMD said "..."

but yeah my 4870X2 works great and without microstuttering because of one shared memory controller and shared memory :D dont need this slow thing of 4850
06-10-2008, 04:03 PM
G0ldBr1ck

oooooh, here is a bit more.

"From AMD RV770 ppt info we got to know that Radeon HD4850 and Radeon HD4870 built in 800SP.
Radeon HD4850 is 625MHz, 800SP and each SP is 2FLOPS, 1000GFLOPS in total. Radeon HD4870 is 725MHz, 800SP and each one is 2FLOPS, 1200GFLOPS in all."

http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3540

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...970385ecfb.jpg
06-10-2008, 04:13 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck

oooooh, here is a bit more.

"From AMD RV770 ppt info we got to know that Radeon HD4850 and Radeon HD4870 built in 800SP.
Radeon HD4850 is 625MHz, 800SP and each SP is 2FLOPS, 1000GFLOPS in total. Radeon HD4870 is 725MHz, 800SP and each one is 2FLOPS, 1200GFLOPS in all."

http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3540

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...970385ecfb.jpg

You are the 5th person to post that :)

It's fake. ;) Moving on, lets all do an online wave !! :o

Perkam

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