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Hmm then why if you open only one prime95 instance you get 50% on each core instead 100% in one and 0% in the second?
I'm not totally sure and not being sarcastic ;) This thing confuses me since my first DC :D
Wouldn't an optimized game use 100% (or at least more than exact 50%) on EACH core?
Because the cpu is distributing the workload. You're not priming right if you're doing it this way, get sp2004 and make sure you open up two instances and set CPU: 0 and CPU: 1 in each opened application. Make sure "No Affinity" is unchecked. Then look at each cpu, they should be at 100% utilization each.Quote:
Originally Posted by mursaat
I'm not sure what you consider an optimized game, but the way dual core works is distributed workload. So in any single application, it's common that both core's are only utilizing 50% processing power.Quote:
Originally Posted by mursaat
what he means is if its coded for DC then you would see higher than 50% because it would be utilizing more than 50% of each core.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester FPS
there is no game in existance that's coded for dual-core this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by kemist
Yes the CPU is distributing the workload because it's a single threaded applicationQuote:
Originally Posted by Jester FPS
Well then which is the difference between a DC optimized app and one that is not optimized? I mean, with a single threaded app you get 50% in each core, and with multi threaded app you get 50% in each core? don't think so :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester FPS
I think the case is this: A64 is designed to balance things between both cores so every other app (background services, newly opened apps) have enough CPU free to open like if there were 0% load. But if an app is multi-threaded, it means you have 2 (or more) processes [threads] that can load the 100% of each core. The problem is so far, I haven't checked usage in Task Manager when running a multi threaded app. Apart from 3dk06 which apps are SMP?
/end of OT, sorry
In dual core games like Quake 4 after the patch it's not uncommon to see both cores working at 80% or more each.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/zenkifc/q4.jpg
i can load up both cores with prime95 and do the ageia demo, and it works just the same.
I agree, if there is lots of load on the CPU from just running the game, then I see ageia being useful.
Hey man if you want we can meet up in a server online and play and learn how to kill each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
I had trouble controlling my squad lol...
Hey that sounds good actually. I wouldn't mind getting more into this game as I am sure it will be enjoyable once the frustration of being a noob goes away. Let me know what you have in mind and when.
Here is a preview with some GRAW vids
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=245
It seems to me at present you can have more eye candy than normal but with some trade off in fps. Whether that is good enough to make you want to spend a lot of money that might be better put towards a better cpu or gpu is an interesting dilemma. Ati and nvidia are both talking about using second gpu's for physics and so you have to wonder whether this hardware solution can get enough market share to get more games to support it. Seems like a catch -22 situation to me. We all know Ati and nvidia push the software people money and expertise for their own chips so you'd imagine they'd do the same for physics as well.
It seems a difficult market to break into to me, especially at $200+
Regards
Andy
Ageia is about to post a new driver. I have been in contact with them and we can expect PCMark and GRAW performance issues to be resolved.
I am working on getting Ageia maufacture support here.
Sounds great...do you know when we as a consumer will be able to obtain one?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
That is excellent news Fugger. Thank you ever so much for taking the initiative in getting this sorted. I sure hope it really is a driver issue and not the hardware falling short. I would love to see this thing succeed, I guess this new driver will tell all. Please keep us informed.
Wont be buying one until they start using standard GPU mounting so i can WC it :P
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Originally Posted by creidiki
Even if water cooling it will provide no performance?:nono:
These Agiea cards have same mounting as X1900/7900GT so water cooling stuff fits.
Working still on obtaining the overclocking utility.
128MB and 256MB versions perform exactly the same currently, card only uses 128MB. This is being fixed.
where to buy card in Europe? anyone know? :-)
@Fugger
Since its going to take long before we start to see games that support Ageia and really take advantage of it, do you think Ageia could add a special driver that splits physics calculations on current games? Even if its not taking full advantage of the PPU since it may be in software mod, it will help a lot if the physics calculations are not loaded on the whole system.
If its possible to split the physics calculations from Half Life 2's Havok physics so its just calculated by the PPU isntead of the whole system by software mod, then moders and mappers can take advantage of the physics early by putting maps with a lot of physics meches or destructible objects.
For example, in Garry's mod it would help a lot, since Ive tryed spawning millions of watermelons and then I blow them up with barrels and explosives and my system cant process all that without lagging a bit. Would be nice to see those huge exploutions without lag ;)
Another thing they could do while PhysX ready games release is to split certain calculations to the PPU like a Dual-core. In Oblivion, it would help a lot if the PPU could calculate the grass and foilage and the physics while the CPU calculates AI and movements and other stuff, and the GPU calculates the 3D stuff...
I think a driver that splits physics would have to be on a game to game basis.And that would take ages to make and would require it to modidy the game its changing as all games have different physics engines.
Ageia cards will be compatible with havoc engines in the future though.
Well we can only hope developers take this seriously and start releasing PPU (and DC) patches for their games instead leaving Ageia alone with all this work.
may be the problem is because the games still don't dupport the Ageia PhysX?
may be after the UT07 will come out we will see some real performance from the PhysX card?
Yea, most of the physics in GRAW are still calculated by the CPU.
All the PPU does in it is add more debris, which don't even look good.
They do, identical mounting holes as GeForce 4 cards :)Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
Nick
Just bought a 128MB version, should be here Monday or Tuesday. Now, where is Ghost Recon?