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I would start with the other end of gases and maeby be able to condence R1150/R23/R508 properly first ;) With 3 stages it wouldnt be that hard, but balancing everything would be a PITA. I was thinking something in the line of R134a-R410a and then one of those gases... Maeby use TEVs for all the stages and EPRs too...Too damn expensive :D
Well .... let my try it first! :D
btw. .... here's my comp! :D
beware .... this is a 2L (!!!) bottle! :cool: ;)
Just saying, this stuff ain't easy. people are free to do what they want but I'm just warning people that they know what they're up to. A 4 stage autocascade with those gasses is even harder then a 4 stage cascade.
I know! ^^ :) but I will try it anyway!
I like to build big things! :D ... so ... let me try it first!
And THEN I will tell ya if it's possible to build a 4 stage auto with this comp and so on! :D ;)
Think you mean if you can build one. Most of us all know it is possible. Hell there are 6stage+ ARC units on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by 404Power
BTW.. thought it was 1hp max?
Someone plz post the updated rules in a new LOCKED thread.
How about this?
There are so many evaporator out now that I think it will be to hard to govern what your calling homemade. There are some guys making the same exact evap as Chilly1 on a lathe in their garage. If you guys want any limitations on parts, let's so say now or else let's just use whatever parts we want. The CO2 Division won't be using oil seperator, so it doesn't matter to them if we use homemade one or not. We're going to be using manufactured metering devices and pressure switches so I don't see what it matters if we use manufactured oil seperator.
"CO2 Division" - any size compressor up to 1 hp using only CO2 as high pressure refrigerant.
"Open Class" - any compressor up to 1hp using any choice of refrigerant
"Super Pro Class" - any darn thing you want to do.
Can't see why it should matter on basic parts. Other than compressor size. It basicly becomes a joint effert in trying different configerations. Because I dont think everyone will do it exactly the same.
I agree - I think we should just stick to rules on compressor size and gases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redwolf
I'm for that aswell, This is gonna be my first AC attempt and It'd be nice to be able to use some premade parts if possible. I'll still probably try making some of it myself, but I think the true challenge is seeing who get build the best unit and tune it the best (the hard part :( ) Not who can make the best homemade phase sep. But again I do what you guys tell me, I'd just like to see some rules set in stone :)
Brandon J
In my opinion, phase seperator design and construction is the the real key to the autocascade. if your phase seperator works well, there is a good chance you can get the unit working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhqwhgads6680
so, i think even if everything else can be purchased, at least the phase sep should have to be home made.
Anyone know where to find copper wool? ;P
I have used copper wire mesh in oil seps. Just get some electrical wires,strip them and make the mesh yourself :)
i like whats runmc's said sounds good.
1HP cap is good also.
I know im going getto, no map gas cans this time.
Maybe just the phase separator must be custom, same with the HX, any thing else goes.
Eshbach i think im gonna cool my phase separator with the suction line, really help the refrigerants separate;)
local super market, copper srubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
Okey guys, I will move to CO2 division, I will not have other gass than CO2, and I will not use any comercial parts, ony selfmade.
Thanks Kaylo.
Though mapp gas cans are tempting as hell but I'll probably just pick up 3" pipe.
First post updated with official rules.
Well I still want to 'fit' into the competition and really I do'nt see myself as 'super-pro' quite yet ;)
So I'll stick with the rotary at 3/4HP. If I end up with a 3 stager, then it's very likely that my gasses will change a small amount, but will still use 290/R23 officially for the time being.
I'm really busy with some mods and builds for the next week or 2, but will get started on the Auto asap :)
Cheers
Gray
3rd stage coudl be straight ethylene.
Well Gary - the 3/4hp sounds quite respectable to me. I'm starting with a 1/2hp rotary to get the feel of things and I also want to try the 1/2hp out to see how it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Mole
Don't let the word "Super Pro" scare you off, you would fit right in.:banana:
Would it be possible to be added to the eshbach team in the first post?
Edit: Thanks!
Yea, DBlue135 and I do basically all of our projects together, so if it's ok for us to be "team" officially, it would probably be good to indicate that we're working together.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBlue135
done :) I wish good luck to everyone with your projects ! :) just remember, that competition isn`t any kind of war, it`s only for fun :)
LukeXe, dont worry we'll all have fun.
Im gonna get started hopefully in just over a month
12000Btu rotary
r290/1150
capillary line both stages
gonna try a few hxs though, just need to get some more copper tubing /pipe/end caps.
Got my high pressure cut off already set to go.
Heres my ice shot also. (post 147)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=72584&page=6
Well, I was talking with Johan about this, an maybe to add some salt to the competition, we (Johan, golden and I) will donate a special edition Froster with K type thermocouples and other surprises as a prize.
I'm not in shape to join the contest, but maybe after my daughter born(next monday is the day), I will join to a fella here and do an atemp :D.
Hereby my congrats allready for youre child ssilencer
(sorry for offtopic)