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why and how do you use S3 standbyQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
i heard a few people use that and had all sorts of issues with reported temps and voltages.......
reason i ask about standby is because i tend to just leave my PC running and just turn off the monitor...........i guess if i could still let some of these tasks (bitorrent/encoding) work in the background and go into power save mode when done it would be cool.......it sucks not to be able to use cool and queit if CPU OCd
Off topic........
Why not, it works here using either the 9 or 10 multiplier...Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Stand by is a hibernate mode. Cool and quiet is something different and works just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I never use hibernate typically. I set my HDs and Screen to power off after no use in 60 minutes. That's about it.
Just out of curiosity if the problem lies in coldbooting and people are worried about it the fix is quite simple, leave the pc on 24/7 till they sort it out.
:banana::banana::banana::banana: i've gotta try it.....i thought you had to keep the multiplier at auto for C&Q to work properly :(Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
sup dino :cool:
I'm ready to tackle a new board. Who should be my next victim. I'm thinking sapphire :)
heheh.....sounds good.....heard they kill more CPUs than Expert'Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
i think you should go Expert despite some of these small hickups :)
I can´t understand how anyone can recommend the Expert until we have an official notice on why it feeds 3 Volts. I don´t buy it that it´s a 5 promille chance it will ever happen to you though. Seeing it has already happened several it feels more like 10 %
IF my sources are good, a NEW revision of the mobo is going to show up any time soon......Just wait.......:)
hipro5,
Do you know if this new revision will only apply to the Expert or the RDX200 aswell? Considering that some people have lost CPUs in the RDX200, it feels a little bit uncertain to plug a X2 4400+ into it and just crossing your fingers that it won't be eaten.
-k0nsl
It will be for RDX....not sure for expert yet......Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nsl
That's great, hope it happens :)
-k0nsl
Nope. You need to keep the cpu voltage/startup voltage at auto . But you can use the special %age increases on top ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Set your multiplier and max cnq multiplier to the same value, it works like a dream.
The only reason for not using cnq is if your cpu cant cope with the HTT when its running at 1.1v (plus your special %age) or if you need finer voltage control. All the other people saying you cant use it if you o/c are wrong :D
damn only for the RXD 200 as of yet. Will be expensive to get one mainboard just to jump ship to another... I just wished my 3400+ could have waited a couple of months longer to die :(
well id think vdimm doesnt get apllied until post either... but maybe that has to do with it, i checked pedros thread again yesterday and there are 2 more dead boards reported since i last checked and one of them also lost memory... :/Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
s3 means the cpu is put to stand by and only the memory is still powered up, hdd and other components mostly are shut down or in stand by. the system isnt really running while its in this stand by mode afaik.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
hehehe i couldnt resist :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
hopefully this lightens up the modd a little :)
http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/6...tblowup7ds.jpg
That's funny stuff.........:)
lol :D
Hehe...First off, I'm no expert, mate. I'm just shooting blanks in the dark. I just know a little about electronics, because my damn PhD advisor refuses to spend the money to buy the electronics! All I've learnt is through pain-in-the-azz troubleshooting the stuff I build :D (I study Physics, not electronics) :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Now, to provide a stable, steady current or voltage, one can fix two transistors together in a "Wilson-current-Mirror" configuration. However, an easier way would be to buy a programmable Voltage regulator chip from an electronics place like digikey.com. They sell CPU/DRAM specific voltage regulators. What could be a potential problem, is the mixing of Analog and Digital ckts. Digital ckts are almost always heavily contaminated with noise and are susceptible to RF interference effects. Also, good PCB design has adequet shielding and a pathway to route "dirty" currents to ground. If there is a grounding problem (as hipro5) mentioned, we are screwed.
This can happen in any number of ways, non-single point ground connection between Analog GND and Digital GND. Improper use of GND and Power planes. Lack of/less than satisfactory use of filter caps on critical IC's etc..
The reason I'm emphasising on the Digital and Noise aspects is because it is a D/A process. Somehow, the VID signal should come from the CPU for proper VCore to be applied. If that is garbled, who knows what can happen!
Again, I'm no expert and I know nothing about Motherboards or complicated digital/analog electronics! Just a N00b here! :slap:
PS* When buying DFI, always wait for atleast 3 months after the first release! Atleast that is what poor students like me have to do.
yeah, its the same about games too, wait a few months after they came out and they buy them or you will run into bugs n crashes all the time :/
it seems everwhere companies are trying to save money on quality control :shakes:
anyways, whats a ckts? :D
and i think the cpu doesnt send the signal of how much vcore it needs, the voltage regulating chip checks the pins of the cpu to see how much vcore it needs and then apllies it. if you set a higher vcore it ignores the cpu reading and sets a higher vcore. i think...
So what are the owners of the Revision A boards supposed to do? :( I guess thanks to the enthusiast market,DFi has figured out whats wrong,and once again uses the enthusiast as beta testers. Unfortunately its not just the board that dies in these cases,it was memory and cpus too. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Oh man...ckts = circuits :slapass: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Well, that is what I meant. My point was, VCore is not applied untill something is read off the CPU. So in essence, the data comes from the CPU if AUTO settings are used. I'm not sure if the CPU ROM is being accessed or if this information is electrically hardwired onto the CPU.
You are right about crappy QC one is begining to see. However, I read on EDN (Electronics magazine) that this happens because lengthy QC is more expensive than pushing through something and replacing it later.
I was looking at Pedro's thread and boy that's quite worrying.
One must concede that with all the gymnastics with dry-ice and extreme OC'ing, something is bound to die. However, there were a few deaths with normal air cooling. Now, that is shocking!
holy crap, saaya...that's freaking hilarious... :D :D :D
the real problem with those silent revisions, if they exist, is that you never know what revision your board is... imagine you wanna buy a new board and go to the shop, how do you know its the old or the new revision?Quote:
Originally Posted by man called (E)
you will only find out if your hardware dies one day, "oh, must have been a revision a board..." :/
afaik the vcopre is still set through the pins of the cpu, theres a set of pins and the combination of high and low of those pins results in the board supplying the vcore to whatever that code results in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Nade
thats at least for the base vcore... hmmm but then again cnq means the cpu adjusts vcore and i dont think this happens by pulling the vcore set pins high or low... so i think both actually is possible...
and about quality control, yeah, but money isnt everything and companies overlook that too quickly. its incredibly stupid if you ask me, companies spend incredible amounts of cash to implement a new brand name in the market, a brand name people trust, and then they destroy the good brand with bad quality control and bad quality products... its a waste of money...
thx kris :D
hope it doesnt upset dfi :P
can the people with dead hardware please report it in this thread? thx :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=82319
Is there any possibility of cool & quiet contributing to this problem? In a recent PM with dinos22 discussing c&q, I realized that a few days ago I had changed bios settings to vcore=auto with a % increase of 112 to maintain my OC and have c&q functioning…. Two days later I lost the 170 which had been extremely stable and reliable for the last few weeks. Not being technically qualified or having enough knowledge on how and when voltage gets applied to the cpu on startup, I wonder if this is a variable to the current problem….. :( Thanx dinos22