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Thats odd cuz some day ago ATI management said R580 will be out in the Feb/06 timeframe.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Also they said ATI already has in-house chips designed on the 80nm node, and expects to be first to market with 65nm.
But this is way off topic =)
well then post up what was said or dont post at all with ur rumors ..
why even post if all ur gonna say is .. if what i was told is true then the r580 shouldnt come out .. i guess ill start posting stuff like this :rolleyes:
Diltech could mena 2 things with bigfish
either Nvidia launches a mainstream card with 256bit or they r futher with the G80 then everyone thinks and its being launched early.
unified architekture :)
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Originally Posted by Ubermann
Link?
Also, it was ATi's ceo who stated that they cannot release the R580 early, I'd think he'd know better than anyone what they're doing.
Of course, you're right, this *IS* way off topic.
As for jet...be patient, first let me gather the :fact: .
i remember reading that the G80 design was complete and that this was the counter to the r580. Is this what you meant Dil?
http://www.techspot.com/news/18126-n...-approach.html
del.
Well, if the G70 indeed is the NV47 and this new G71 perhaps is NV48/NV50 or something... then it wouldn't be to odd if they released the real (original) G70 (now G80) some half a year after original NV47... not saying this has to be the case though.
Now, my current question is this...
Going by NVidia's usual name scheme, The cards have always followed a similiar pattern in core names.
NV10 = Geforce 256
NV15 = Geforce2
NV20 = Geforce3
NV25 = Geforce4Ti
NV30 = GeforceFX5800
NV35 = Geforce5900Ultra
NV40 = Geforce 6800U/NU/GT
NV45 = Geforce6800Ultra(PCI-E)
G70 = 7800GTX/GT/512mbGTX
Now, the high end's generally fell on the 0's and 5's, there's a few exceptions like the 5950Ultra(NV38, even though it was the same chip as the 5900). Therefore, why are people all assuming that the G71 and G72 are high end parts? Because the inq said so?...The Nxx1/2's generally were midrange/low-end cards, why would that all change now? For a mental note, the NV31 was the 5600, and the NV41 was the 6800nu pci-e, with the NV42 being a die-shrunk NV41(to 110nm). They've always been mainstreamish cards.
Now, this isn't part of the info I've recieved, it's just something I've since noticed on my own... I'm almost positive these sites have got it all wrong.
DilTech > Because, generally, nVidia's high end fell on the NVxx, not Gxx. Now that the very most fundamental part of the naming scheme has fallen, who knows what to expect? Anything's possible!
NV48 was supposed to be another exception btw. NV47 too. So the changing naming scheme started back in the NV3x days, was supposed to change even more in the NV4x days and now, finally, is completely off in the G7x present!
Uh, don't know what you're going on, but you only have to look in actual retail outlets to see the 6800 is a live and well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ubmit=Property
He quoted this:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27440
Well that article was wrong.
TheInq has the tendency to have stuff that Fuad assumes on impulse. :rolleyes: I've said it many times: packet of salt anyone ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
Perkam
NV48 wasn't meant to be a high-end part. NV48 was the low-high end, much like the 6800nu was to the 6800ultra. NV47 was renamed to the G70, as the NV47 was a refresh to the NV40, nv45 was already being used for the 6800ultra pci-e. They're still on the same naming structure they were, just like with the FX5950, they used a non-5 jump because the 5 was already used and it the 5950U wasn't worth the NV40 name.Quote:
Originally Posted by slider99
Now going by our own common sense here, and what we've become use to from NVidia, one would assume the G71 is either the 7800GS or the 7600, with the G72 being the other. The 90nm G70(if there is one, at this point NVidia could just say why bother with what I'm being told), would then likely come in as the G75. The G80 being the next new architecture....
This has been how NVidia's naming system has always worked, read back thru their history slider, you'll see this "Gxx" is actually a throwback to their older generations.
Again I say it, I have a sinking feeling that everyone has been misled by the G71/G72 fiasco.
Finally, I still stand by my statement, the 7800GTX 512mb isn't the big fish in this pond.
The NV48 is the 512MB version of the 6800 Ultra. A quick search will tell you the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Also, either you're under NDA, or you just like knowing something nobody else does, and absorbing the spotlight from it. For right now, the 7800GTX 512MB is the biggest thing we've got, and if you'd like to dispell that, be my guest. Otherwise keep it to yourself before spreading around useless hype.
He just said it.."in less then 5 months" "The 90nm G70(if there is one, at this point NVidia could just say why bother with what I'm being told), would then likely come in as the G75. The G80 being the next new architecture...."
Something is wrong though it doesnt make sense....I may have missread something ;-)
so basically another 5-6 months until nvidia's next big card .. just seems like their normal cycle .. every 6 months .. still unsure of what to do
sell my current 7800gtx for a 512 or get another 256 and hold me over until the 90nm one is out :confused:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10...gforce_7800gs/Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
Are you positive of that statement?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21476Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
http://www.ngohq.com/showthread.php?t=3239
Unfortunately many websites can't get straight on that.
The first one is the inq, the second one is dated october 18th, 2005... FARRRR after the 512mb 6800ultra came out. I kind of doubt it'd take so long to surface in a driver, and even more-so doubt it'd need a whole new core to do the exact same thing but add another 256mb of ram.
Anyone got a picture of the gpu on the 6800ultra 512mb?
Also, Allow me to point something out cybercat. Every site that says the 512mb 6800Ultra is the NV48 all cite the inq's story as their source. Why would the 6800ultra need to be the NV48 to handle 512mb while the 512mb 6800gt stayed the same core?..
Agreed. Either back up your statements, or stop posting baseless rumors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
EDIT: I'm also under NVIDIA NDA, but you don't see *ME* attention-whoring myself, do you?
October 18th is not the first time it was surfaced, they're just pointing it out. Also, they're not referencing the Inq, either. NGO had a news article earlier that said something along the lines of "interesting to see the NV48 hasn't died either". Then they updated it, saying the NV48 is the 6800 Ultra 512MB. Makes me think NVIDIA clued them in on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Getting a picture of the core of the 6800 Ultra won't help you either. They don't say what they are.
Also, the 6800GT 512MB also uses the NV48. It's even built on the same PCB. Funny how you assumed it to be different.
I do believe that the cores are physically called NV48 as well. There's proof of people having NV48 cores in their 6800GT (it's by chance), just do a google search.
Well I have a 6600 core sitting right next to me and it doesn't say "NV43" on it. A quick picture search for the NV40 shows me the same thing.
Eh, if I'm wrong about the 512mb 6800ultra then my mistake. I don't keep up on WAY overpriced cards from either company, especially ones that cost $1000. My mistake on that one. Makes sense though, considering the NV38 was the 5950ultra, and it was the same exact chip as the NV35 with .1v extra.
As for what shadow said about attention whoring...There's no attention whoring...
It's called dropping hints, it's something people have done for years with message boards.Much like how your favorite site, beyond3d, "drops hints" on ATi cards.
BTW, I'm not under NDA, I just figure there's no point in telling everything until I know everything. For now, I'm merely doing what's known as a "service", by telling the people there IS a much bigger fish in this sea.
If I was to say everything I know right this second, I'd just have about 10 pages of people screaming bs, like what happens everytime someone posts about having a new unreleased FX or intel chip. Words mean nothing, therefore, I'm merely saying there's a MUCH bigger fish in the sea, and leaving it at that. You can take it how you want to take it, believe me or call me out on it, doesn't really bother me. However, keep up the attitude about it and I'll honestly just keep everything to myself when that time comes(as in proof NO ONE can argue with). It's irritating to make posts that are meant to be helpful only to have flames occur....
I'm not giving a heads up for attention, I'm giving a heads up just to let you know, there's more with this came from.
I appreciate your posts, DilTech. They are informative and I do value them :toast:
-k0nsl