Yep... I found that one by mistake :D (that is true!!). I was trying to identify ALL components etc. in the feedback path, and I discovered that the original Vmem mod is too complex - or at least it is not too easy way to perform due to small soldering areas. Moreover, the original mod modifies feedback voltage (=not very optimal way), and this one modifies only the reference voltage i.e. feedback is unchanged !!Quote:
Originally Posted by markiemrboo
[QUOTE=SikaRippa]OK. I am sure you are right, they propably do not want anybody to check they hardware except very good reason :rolleyes: But, if they would be aware of this problem (?) I wonder they would not want to sell products coming back during a few months.
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I checked the figures of Galaxy, and it has nice cooler :D (NV 5?). So, if you do want a new card go for Galaxy..[QUOTE]
I dont beliiiiieve it!!! :slash:
After writing to them TWICE to ask them to send me a Galaxy and ill send them the money, the IDIOTS have sent me another MSi!!!!!!
here we go again.....
[QUOTE=dandaman][QUOTE=SikaRippa]OK. I am sure you are right, they propably do not want anybody to check they hardware except very good reason :rolleyes: But, if they would be aware of this problem (?) I wonder they would not want to sell products coming back during a few months.
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I checked the figures of Galaxy, and it has nice cooler :D (NV 5?). So, if you do want a new card go for Galaxy..'They' did it again :dammit:Quote:
I dont beliiiiieve it!!! :slash:
After writing to them TWICE to ask them to send me a Galaxy and ill send them the money, the IDIOTS have sent me another MSi!!!!!!
here we go again.....
I know exactly the same kind of story: A BS-affected GW-card was RMA'd and it was 'kindly' asked to get an ASUS 6800le-card, but no way 'they' sent similar GW back..
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Please, calm down .. I wonder if you could cancel a deal totally ? In Finland that could be possible when getting faulty product, at least in cases when it can be shown that product has been faulty even as a new.
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Have you already tested your card, does it give BS right away ? If you mind, could you check those geen caps - wheather you obtained a working card ;)
well im gonna take delivery and see. it might be a BS free MSI card..... i live in hope.
it was gonna cost me nearly 150 euros more to upgrade to the Galaxy, and i cant afford that. well, its not important enough to me anyway.
there is nothing else they have in stock from Nvidia which tickles my fancy.
i just hope i dont have to send it back before the end of the week
i wont get it till wednesday
ill let u know how i get on and check the caps
I've got a Gainward 6800LE with these caps:
"4 8 470 6E" - usually no BS when new, BS after some months (MSI, GW)
Let's see how it does in a few months then :p:
The card runs at 12/6 und 390/850 (stock voltage - stock cooler)
If it gets BS, I will replace the caps
It is curious that they did not change the card even if you offer 150 e ..Quote:
Originally Posted by dandaman
I understood your message
.. they would offer some other 6800le/6800 ? In that case (and if you will get BS again) I would myself try to get e.g ASUS 6800le - no BS-problem ever reported !Quote:
there is nothing else they have in stock from Nvidia which tickles my fancy
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Thank you (beforehad) for cap-information :) ! GW has used at least "4 7 470 6E" -caps in their RMA-cards, and I heard some days ago that this model would give BS after some months :( (the list in #1 has to be updated..I'll do it soon)
they dont have the ASUS in stock.
i decided against paying the extra Eur150 for an upgrade. its just too much money. Doom 3 already plays perfectly well, when theres no BS, on the 6800le.
i should have the card at my desk soon....
OK ! I have now quite good specs for those caps ;) (I'll post those in next update :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flip
its here! well at least this time they have sent me a new one in the big box with all the games, the previous ones i got were in small boxes with only the drivers...
and the caps are...... CP136 = 46 470 6E
CP 143 = 46 470 6E
Thank you ! Nice you got even something extra..Quote:
Originally Posted by dandaman
Caps "4 6 470 6E" are rare.. I wonder you had those with your old MSI-card, and with that card you got BS immediately (correct??).
I really hope you got better one this time !
i cant remember what caps were on the old ones. but it looks liek before i was being sent RMA'd cards cos they just came in small brown boxes
this is new. fingers crossed
Neither I remember, but I checked your post no #71 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dandaman
IT DOESNT WORK!!!!!!!
I played Doom 3 for 20 mins and no probs, so i thought Id give Far Cry a go. It lasted about two minutes before black screening!!
any further attempts to play meant balck screening the second the game loads.
:slapass:
i cant believe it!
thats the THIRD MSI card to BS on me!
im losing the will to live.
:(
might it be my system thats messing it up? i cant believe i could get three cards that are faulty
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Originally Posted by dandaman
:slobber: :slobber:
Unbelivable !!!! Go to that shop and INSIST they cancel the deal right away OR give DIFFERENT model.
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This proofed that MSI having "4 6 470 6E" is in the same cathegory than GW "4 3 470 6E" i.e. BS even if brand new. This makes sense (if something makes sense with BS) since lot numbers 3,6 have to be mean an older lot than 7,8,9 (=these are working for a while). And is likely that they have improved the capacitor manufacturing in some point - between lots 6 and 7 !?
the problem is that the original card i had is the one that came with the system. i didnt actually buy it separately. on top of that the company i bought my PC from went bust and this other company bought the brand.
i lost my 5 year warranty as a result and had to pay 60 pounds for a 2 year warranty.
so i cant get my money back. but i have asked them for a 256MB ATi Radeon X800 AGP 8X S-video card, ive had enough of nvidia.
In Germany you get your money back when they tried to repair or replace an electronic product three times without succuess.
Is it the same in America?
!!!! Document upadated to version 1.7 !!!!
Please see changelog for details, but here is a teaser:
I FINALLY FOUND INFORMATION (=DATASHEET) ABOUT THOSE GREEN CAPS !!
..thanks to my finger clicked a datasheet link by mistake :D :D
I registered especially 2 say THANK YOU!! The capacitator-mod solved all the probs i head with my XFX 6800LE (old version). BTW it runs on a 200Watt PSU in my Shuttle SN45G :+]
Nice that you register to give comments :)Quote:
Originally Posted by julianus
Your case is quite interesting, since nobody before you have reported a XFX6800le that has been repaired using cad-mod.
Please, if not a big deal answer following (regular) questions so I could make the document more accurate:
- How long it took before first BS
- What labels you have at top of those green-label caps e.g. "4 8 470 6E"
- Is there any official version code in your card (I gave those version 1 & 2 numbers for XFX corresponding different capacitors used, since no data was available)
Thank you beforehand ;)
I have decided to drop the 6800 and go for an ATI by gigabyte.
GV-R80P256D
Maybe (=sure) that is wise choice for you - after soooo many faulty NV's. It is pity that Nvidia suffers with these card, because the reason for this is poor design (manufacturing) of card NOT the GF-chips :(Quote:
Originally Posted by dandaman
Version 1.8 of the document:
- Added VERY short FAQ-list for FAST people
- 'Encahced capacitor modification' figure more clear
Hey SikaRippa
u are more than welcome for a quality :toast: in germany,Munich, too. :-)
I have the MSI 6800le card which u discribed in Figure 7.
as a "MSI6800le version 1" with the quadro cooler :confused: ^^
a few days ago i made the enhanced capaciator mod - now its no problem to run at standard clock rate. (300/700)
i used a 3300/16v capaciator cause i had those from former tests with memory capyiator mod... tp10 + gnd
i didn´t rma my card because i loved it - now it works proper and stable and i still love it - and u too :D
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yesterday i tried to overclock to 400/800 ( a friend of mine did this without problems ) but then the bs came back.
Today i will try to overclock it step by step. And i will find out, at which stepping the BS comes back... do u think the capciator gives a limit to the overclocking level?
The question is: Can i overclock my card for example with a 1000/16v capaciator better than with a 3300/16V???
btw: i can unlock all pipes and vertex without faults :banana:
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at last:
SikaRippa, if u need any facts serial numbers. or else from this msi card vers. 1....
i can tell u what u want. Just ask for it.
THANKS A LOT - YOU ARE THE GOD :up:
Hi money2 !Quote:
Originally Posted by money2
Maybe I should take a trip to München during oktoberfest :toast: ..
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About capacitor sizes.. I think that it does not make big difference be having 1000 or 3300 uF capacitor, BUT the quality of the capacitor is important: having lower ESR value (resistance) gives better results.
BS will occur ALLWAYS (with these card) when a HEAVY overclocking is applied. Moreover, memory chips are unique - the overclock capability varies. There are also different memory chips available in these cards e.g 2.2 and 2.8 ns, which has huge impact to OC. IF you want to try limits of your card make the memory voltage modification (see post #1 for details). It is also VERY easy to perform and quite impressive results have been posted:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=62651
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If you mind, you could post following information about your card:
- Exact version code of your card (maybe some label, I do know MSI cards very well)
- Estimate how long it took before the black screen occured first time
- Capacitor labels for C136 and C143 (green labels, e.g "4 8 470 6E")